RE: [Vo]:More from Goat-guy

[Jones Beene]

Operation of boilers is inherently dangerous. Hundreds of lives have been
lost in boiler accidents. 

 

If these two are the unlicensed "engineers" responsible for operating a
boiler without a proper license, then yes - that is a violation of municipal
code. Fines can be large.

 

Does someone have to "say it" when the facts are admitted in the plaintiff's
complaint? . or are you simply desperate for any way to make Rossi look
better?

 

From: Robert Dorr 


Does taking measurements constitute "running" a boiler? As far as I know no
one has ever said that they ran the boiler. (Penon, etc)




 

Re: [Vo]:More from Goat-guy

[Axil Axil]

Rossi has said that there was both security and employees of the customer
at the plant when he was there. How could one man run a plant 24/7/465? It
takes a large crew to cover the operation of an industrial plant full time
without interruption. This is usually done in three shifts: day, swing and
mid.

Who ever came up with this criticism of the ERV is full of hate and has
lost any credibility IMHO,

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Robert Dorr  wrote:

>
> Does taking measurements constitute "running" a boiler? As far as I know
> no one has ever said that they ran the boiler. (Penon, etc)
>
> Robert Dorr
> WA7ZQR
>
>
>
> On 4/11/2016 8:14 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> In answer to those who claim that Rossi’s friends and countrymen - Penon
> and Fabiani are qualified engineers, even though neither has professional
> certification in this country and both were admittedly illegally
> operating a boiler within the City of Miami in violation of municipal
> codes, there is the following… from the goatster.
>
> BTW… the Leonardo complaint - alone can probably be used to prove both of
> these fine “engineers” are subject to immediate deportation for committing
> numerous misdemeanors and violations of other US laws while on a work visa
> …
>
> Goat-guy has this to say:
>
> “There were absolutely competent engineers and nuclear experts working at
> the Chernobyl nuclear plant for years. And it went 'boom'. There were
> hundreds of completely competent engineers, physicists and designers
> overseeing the construction of the Japanese coastal nuclear power plants.
> Fukushima demonstrated that they hadn't considered the consequence of a
> natural disaster. Engineers, for all their earnestness aren't
> particularly good at being either curious enough  -- or more-delicately, are
> not inclined to say anything bad about their employer's machinery” END of
> quote.
>
> If Penon did not know about the clever way Rossi designed the test, which
> allowed data to be easily faked, then he might escape the legal consequences.
> If he knew, and said nothing, then it could cost him much more than Rossi
> has paid him.
>
> Deportation would be a blessing.
>
> Industrial Heat - should petition the Court to depose the two of them ASAP
> so they are on record before disappearing into Tuscany. However, Rossi is
> probably smart enough to have sent them packing already.
>
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Re: [Vo]:More from Goat-guy

[Robert Dorr]

Does taking measurements constitute "running" a boiler? As far as I know 
no one has ever said that they ran the boiler. (Penon, etc)


Robert Dorr
WA7ZQR


On 4/11/2016 8:14 AM, Jones Beene wrote:


In answer to those who claim that Rossi's friends and countrymen - 
Penon and Fabiani are qualified engineers, even though neither has 
professional certification in this country and both were admittedly 
illegally operating a boiler within the City of Miami in violation of 
municipal codes, there is the following... from the goatster.


BTW... the Leonardo complaint - alone can probably be used to prove 
both of these fine "engineers" are subject to immediate deportation 
for committing numerous misdemeanors and violations of other US laws 
while on a work visa ...


Goat-guy has this to say:

"There were absolutely competent engineers and nuclear experts working 
at the Chernobyl nuclear plant for years. And it went 'boom'. There 
were hundreds of completely competent engineers, physicists and 
designers overseeing the construction of the Japanese coastal nuclear 
power plants. Fukushima demonstrated that they hadn't considered the 
consequence of a natural disaster. Engineers, for all their 
earnestness aren't particularly good at being either curious enough -- 
or more-delicately, are not inclined to say anything bad about their 
employer's machinery" END of quote.


If Penon did not know about the clever way Rossi designed the test, 
which allowed data to be easily faked, then he might escape the legal 
consequences. If he knew, and said nothing, then it could cost him 
much more than Rossi has paid him.


Deportation would be a blessing.

Industrial Heat - should petition the Court to depose the two of them 
ASAP so they are on record before disappearing into Tuscany. However, 
Rossi is probably smart enough to have sent them packing already.


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[Lennart Thornros]

Jones, I think the Goat-guy is correct - I just read other things into his
statement.
Fukushima and Chernobyl both had licensed, well educated experts designing
and running the plants - it still went 'BOOM'. The conclusion I draw is not
that they are so free from moral that they do not hesitate to lie if it
seems to be an advantage for their employer. I think it happened because
they did not have enough imagination to see the outcome and consequences of
unforeseen complications. That is part of being human. Yes, there is a
possibility that both those tragic accidents happened because of evil
planning. I doubt it and I would never state that being the fact without
having very good indicators (evidence) to back up such a statement.

Your conclusion that those guys have violated some US law is not
substantiated. They might have had a permit would that make any difference?
They might operate on the customer's permit.
Then you say they should be deported and fined. How does that make anything
good fro anybody. Why is that helping LENR.?
Then you say that Rossi (the bad guy in your thinking) has sent them to
Tuscany. How do you know? Does it matter where those guys are?

Let me understand; 'Deportation would be a blessing.'  for whom? and
why?

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros


lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)


On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> In answer to those who claim that Rossi’s friends and countrymen - Penon
> and Fabiani are qualified engineers, even though neither has professional
> certification in this country and both were admittedly illegally
> operating a boiler within the City of Miami in violation of municipal
> codes, there is the following… from the goatster.
>
> BTW… the Leonardo complaint - alone can probably be used to prove both of
> these fine “engineers” are subject to immediate deportation for committing
> numerous misdemeanors and violations of other US laws while on a work visa
> …
>
> Goat-guy has this to say:
>
> “There were absolutely competent engineers and nuclear experts working at
> the Chernobyl nuclear plant for years. And it went 'boom'. There were
> hundreds of completely competent engineers, physicists and designers
> overseeing the construction of the Japanese coastal nuclear power plants.
> Fukushima demonstrated that they hadn't considered the consequence of a
> natural disaster. Engineers, for all their earnestness aren't
> particularly good at being either curious enough  -- or more-delicately, are
> not inclined to say anything bad about their employer's machinery” END of
> quote.
>
> If Penon did not know about the clever way Rossi designed the test, which
> allowed data to be easily faked, then he might escape the legal consequences.
> If he knew, and said nothing, then it could cost him much more than Rossi
> has paid him.
>
> Deportation would be a blessing.
>
> Industrial Heat - should petition the Court to depose the two of them ASAP
> so they are on record before disappearing into Tuscany. However, Rossi is
> probably smart enough to have sent them packing already.
>

[Vo]:More from Goat-guy

[Jones Beene]

In answer to those who claim that Rossi's friends and countrymen - Penon and
Fabiani are qualified engineers, even though neither has professional
certification in this country and both were admittedly illegally operating a
boiler within the City of Miami in violation of municipal codes, there is
the following. from the goatster. 

BTW. the Leonardo complaint - alone can probably be used to prove both of
these fine "engineers" are subject to immediate deportation for committing
numerous misdemeanors and violations of other US laws while on a work visa .


Goat-guy has this to say:

"There were absolutely competent engineers and nuclear experts working at
the Chernobyl nuclear plant for years. And it went 'boom'. There were
hundreds of completely competent engineers, physicists and designers
overseeing the construction of the Japanese coastal nuclear power plants.
Fukushima demonstrated that they hadn't considered the consequence of a
natural disaster. Engineers, for all their earnestness aren't particularly
good at being either curious enough  -- or more-delicately, are not inclined
to say anything bad about their employer's machinery" END of quote.

If Penon did not know about the clever way Rossi designed the test, which
allowed data to be easily faked, then he might escape the legal
consequences. If he knew, and said nothing, then it could cost him much more
than Rossi has paid him. 

Deportation would be a blessing. 

Industrial Heat - should petition the Court to depose the two of them ASAP
so they are on record before disappearing into Tuscany. However, Rossi is
probably smart enough to have sent them packing already.