[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren – nuclear spallation and resonance

2017-01-18 Thread Russ George 
As for scientific theory and theoreticians Mark Twain said it best, "There is 
something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of 
conjecture out of such trifling investment of fact."

 

From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 9:51 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren 
– nuclear spallation and resonance

 

Hello George,

I am sure you are a more experienced guy in regards to LENR than I am. Probably 
a better sailor. If it only comes down to years I am rather close or just a 
tack ahead (67 years).

I am not drawing any conclusions, I just try to evaluate the circumstances. Not 
always do you need to find a . port, sometimes staying at sea is more 
advantageous.

I do think positive about indications and fair winds is better than no wind. 
Taking advantage of the wind is the crux. Unfortunately the predictions are 
very diverse. Now one can decide to be optimistic and I hope my optimistic 
conclusion is correct but if it is no wind than I just need to wait. Of course 
if it is a storm I have to ride t out.




Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

 

 

lenn...@thornros.com  
+1 916 436 1899

 

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and 
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)

 

 

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Russ George mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Lennart, the old adage ‘any old port in a storm’ is simply not practical. We’ve 
been weathering the storm against cold fusion for nigh unto 30 years. We don’t 
need any old port/theory, some of us have chosen to just weather the storm and 
lumber on. 

 

How Long Have You Been a Sailor ?

 

All my bloomin' life. 

Me mother was a mermaid. 

Me father was King Neptune. 

I was born on the crest of a wave 

And rocked in the cradle of the deep. 

Seaweed and barnacles are me clothes, 

Every tooth in me head is a marlinspike,

The hair on me head is hemp, 

Every bone in me body's a spar, 

And when I spits, I spits tar. 

I'se hard, I is, I am, I are.

 

--- an Old Answer to an Old Question

 

From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com 
 ] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 8:34 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com  
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren – nuclear 
spallation and resonance

 

Hello Mats,

I think this is interesting. I understand the critic from Jones and Russ but at 
least it is a theory and it is based on the result of Lugano. Maybe it was not 
such a flawed demo just made so it has too many openings for critic. This also 
enhances the profile of Rossi. He has support from scientists with a lot too 
lose (prestige) if Rossi is a scam as has been indicated here. I cannot wait 
for the next report from Rossi and hopefully a up to date experimental report 
from Lundin / Lidgren. Sounds to me we are slowly progressing towaa realization 
of lenr, keeping essential business secrets until the last  minute before 
market.)Looks good.




Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

 

 

lenn...@thornros.com  
+1 916 436 1899  

 

Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and 
enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)

 

 

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Mats Lewan mailto:m...@matslewan.se> > wrote:

The LENR patent application by Lundin and Lidgren referenced in this blog post:

https://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/10/15/swedish-scientists-claim-lenr-explanation-break-through/

 

is now public here:

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=EP 

 &NR=3086323A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=&date=20161026&DB=&locale=en_EP

 

Mats

www.animpossibleinvention.com

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren – nuclear spallation and resonance

2017-01-18 Thread Mats Lewan 
I talked briefly with Lundin today.
He explained that he and Lidgren are not going ahead together for various 
reasons at the moment.
However, he’s convinced that the most likely explanation for excess heat is 
transmutation rather than fusion, and that transmutation involves spallation 
and capture of neutrons. The combination of these two, in a way that releases 
net energy, would be what is new with the model described in the patent.
He also said that he doesn’t really follow the field and what others have done, 
but he will continue on his own for some time ahead with more ideas on how to 
make the spallation-capture process work effectively. 
Clear experimental results within a not too distant future would be necessary 
for him to apply for research funding, and I had the impression that he hadn’t 
really achieved satisfactory results so far.

Mats
www.animpossibleinvention.com 
> On 18 Jan 2017, at 18:51, Lennart Thornros  wrote:
> 
> Hello George,
> I am sure you are a more experienced guy in regards to LENR than I am. 
> Probably a better sailor. If it only comes down to years I am rather close or 
> just a tack ahead (67 years).
> I am not drawing any conclusions, I just try to evaluate the circumstances. 
> Not always do you need to find a . port, sometimes staying at sea is more 
> advantageous.
> I do think positive about indications and fair winds is better than no wind. 
> Taking advantage of the wind is the crux. Unfortunately the predictions are 
> very diverse. Now one can decide to be optimistic and I hope my optimistic 
> conclusion is correct but if it is no wind than I just need to wait. Of 
> course if it is a storm I have to ride t out.
> 
> Best Regards ,
> Lennart Thornros
> 
> 
> lenn...@thornros.com
> +1 916 436 1899
> 
> Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and 
> enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Russ George  > wrote:
> Lennart, the old adage ‘any old port in a storm’ is simply not practical. 
> We’ve been weathering the storm against cold fusion for nigh unto 30 years. 
> We don’t need any old port/theory, some of us have chosen to just weather the 
> storm and lumber on.
> 
>   <>
> How Long Have You Been a Sailor ?
> 
>  
> 
> All my bloomin' life.
> 
> Me mother was a mermaid.
> 
> Me father was King Neptune.
> 
> I was born on the crest of a wave
> 
> And rocked in the cradle of the deep.
> 
> Seaweed and barnacles are me clothes,
> 
> Every tooth in me head is a marlinspike,
> 
> The hair on me head is hemp,
> 
> Every bone in me body's a spar,
> 
> And when I spits, I spits tar.
> 
> I'se hard, I is, I am, I are.
> 
>  
> 
> --- an Old Answer to an Old Question
> 
>  
> 
> From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com 
> ] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 8:34 AM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
> Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren – nuclear 
> spallation and resonance
> 
>  
> 
> Hello Mats,
> 
> I think this is interesting. I understand the critic from Jones and Russ but 
> at least it is a theory and it is based on the result of Lugano. Maybe it was 
> not such a flawed demo just made so it has too many openings for critic. This 
> also enhances the profile of Rossi. He has support from scientists with a lot 
> too lose (prestige) if Rossi is a scam as has been indicated here. I cannot 
> wait for the next report from Rossi and hopefully a up to date experimental 
> report from Lundin / Lidgren. Sounds to me we are slowly progressing towaa 
> realization of lenr, keeping essential business secrets until the last  
> minute before market.)Looks good.
> 
> 
> 
> Best Regards ,
> Lennart Thornros
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> lenn...@thornros.com 
> +1 916 436 1899 
>  
> 
> Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and 
> enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM)
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Mats Lewan  > wrote:
> 
> The LENR patent application by Lundin and Lidgren referenced in this blog 
> post:
> 
> https://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/10/15/swedish-scientists-claim-lenr-explanation-break-through/
>  
> 
>  
> 
> is now public here:
> 
> https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=EP&NR=3086323A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=&date=20161026&DB=&locale=en_EP
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Mats
> 
> www.animpossibleinvention.com 
>  
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>  
> 
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