[Vo]:Rossi H and Ni consumption

2011-10-27 Thread Horace Heffner

From:

http://www.rossilivecat.com/

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Andrea Rossi
October 25th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
Dear Thomas Blakeslee:
Grams/Power for a 180 days charge
Hydrogen: 18000 g
Nickel: 1 g
Warm Regards,
A.R.
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End quote.

At atomic weight of 1.0079 the 18000 gm of H is 1786 mols. At an  
atoommic weight of 58.69 the 10,000 gm of Ni is 170.4 mol.  This  
means 10.48 atoms of H need be provided per 1 atom of Ni.


Assuming the reaction is Ni-H, as claimed, only about 1 in 10 atoms  
of H is consumed, thus 170.4 mols of H and a170.4 mols of Ni are  
consumed, maximum.  This involves the obviously wrong assumption that  
all the Ni atoms are transmuted, not a more realistic 3 percent.   
There is also an outside possibility the H reacts with daughter  
products, giving the possibility of 10 subsequent daughter reactions  
per primary Ni+H reaction. Three such reactions is an outside  
possibility.


One MW for 180 days is 1.556x10^13 J, or 10^7 MJ.  That is  
(6.241x10^24 eV/MJ)*(1.556x10^13 J)/(170.4 mol * 6.022x10^23 atoms / 
mol) = 9.464x10^5 eV/(Ni atom).  If there is one reaction per atom  
and all Ni is consumed by single reactions than that is 0.9464 MeV  
per Ni-H event.  The gammas from this would be lethal at short range,  
even through 2 cm of lead.  If it is assumed that 3% of the Ni is  
consumed then that is 0.9464 MeV/0.03 = 31.5 MeV per reaction.  If  
there are an average of 3 daughter reactions per primary reactions  
that is about 10 Mev per reaction.


If 10 MeV gammas are produced then 5 cm of lead shielding will be of  
no use in protecting the operators.  If near 1 MeV gammas are  
produced the lead shielding is inadequate.


One MW of gammas is 6.241x10^24 eV/s, or, for 1 MeV gammas,  
6.24x10^18 gammas per second. using:


   I = I0 * exp(-mu * rho * L)

where mu for 1 MeV is 0.02 cm^2/gm), and density of lead 11.34 gm/ 
cm^3, we have for 5 cm of lead:



   I = (6.24x10^18 s^-1) * exp(-(0.02 cm^2/gm) * (11.34 gm/cm^3) *(5  
cm))


   I = 2x10^18 free gammas per second.

About half that, or 10^18 gammas/s would be directed toward the  
interior of the container housing the E-cats, and most of the 2x10^18  
gammas per second would end up escaping the container.  This is an  
approximate calculation.  Even if it is off by an order of magnitude,  
this kind of 1 MeV gamma flux, even 1/32 of it from one E-cat, would  
be readily detected by a geiger counter at significant range.


It does not seem credible the energy from a Ni-H reaction, at least  
in the form of one gamma per reaction, provides any explanation for 1  
MW of heat, if that thermal power is in fact achieved.


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/






RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Rossi H and Ni consumption

2011-10-27 Thread Roarty, Francis X
On  Thurs Oct 27, 2011 Horace said [snip] It does not seem credible the energy 
from a Ni-H reaction, at least  
in the form of one gamma per reaction, provides any explanation for 1 MW of 
heat, if that thermal power is in fact achieved.[/snip]

Horace,
Assuming the thermal power is in fact achieved, and the reaction is not 
Ni-H, what do you feel is the next most credible theory ? 
Fran

-Original Message-
From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:49 AM
To: Vortex-L
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Rossi H and Ni consumption

From:

http://www.rossilivecat.com/

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Andrea Rossi
October 25th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
Dear Thomas Blakeslee:
Grams/Power for a 180 days charge
Hydrogen: 18000 g
Nickel: 1 g
Warm Regards,
A.R.
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End quote.

At atomic weight of 1.0079 the 18000 gm of H is 1786 mols. At an  
atoommic weight of 58.69 the 10,000 gm of Ni is 170.4 mol.  This  
means 10.48 atoms of H need be provided per 1 atom of Ni.

Assuming the reaction is Ni-H, as claimed, only about 1 in 10 atoms  
of H is consumed, thus 170.4 mols of H and a170.4 mols of Ni are  
consumed, maximum.  This involves the obviously wrong assumption that  
all the Ni atoms are transmuted, not a more realistic 3 percent.   
There is also an outside possibility the H reacts with daughter  
products, giving the possibility of 10 subsequent daughter reactions  
per primary Ni+H reaction. Three such reactions is an outside  
possibility.

One MW for 180 days is 1.556x10^13 J, or 10^7 MJ.  That is  
(6.241x10^24 eV/MJ)*(1.556x10^13 J)/(170.4 mol * 6.022x10^23 atoms / 
mol) = 9.464x10^5 eV/(Ni atom).  If there is one reaction per atom  
and all Ni is consumed by single reactions than that is 0.9464 MeV  
per Ni-H event.  The gammas from this would be lethal at short range,  
even through 2 cm of lead.  If it is assumed that 3% of the Ni is  
consumed then that is 0.9464 MeV/0.03 = 31.5 MeV per reaction.  If  
there are an average of 3 daughter reactions per primary reactions  
that is about 10 Mev per reaction.

If 10 MeV gammas are produced then 5 cm of lead shielding will be of  
no use in protecting the operators.  If near 1 MeV gammas are  
produced the lead shielding is inadequate.

One MW of gammas is 6.241x10^24 eV/s, or, for 1 MeV gammas,  
6.24x10^18 gammas per second. using:

I = I0 * exp(-mu * rho * L)

where mu for 1 MeV is 0.02 cm^2/gm), and density of lead 11.34 gm/ 
cm^3, we have for 5 cm of lead:


I = (6.24x10^18 s^-1) * exp(-(0.02 cm^2/gm) * (11.34 gm/cm^3) *(5  
cm))

I = 2x10^18 free gammas per second.

About half that, or 10^18 gammas/s would be directed toward the  
interior of the container housing the E-cats, and most of the 2x10^18  
gammas per second would end up escaping the container.  This is an  
approximate calculation.  Even if it is off by an order of magnitude,  
this kind of 1 MeV gamma flux, even 1/32 of it from one E-cat, would  
be readily detected by a geiger counter at significant range.

It does not seem credible the energy from a Ni-H reaction, at least  
in the form of one gamma per reaction, provides any explanation for 1  
MW of heat, if that thermal power is in fact achieved.

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/






Re: [Vo]:Rossi H and Ni consumption

2011-10-27 Thread Axil Axil
There are some ifs and buts associated with this subject. It has been known
for over a hundred years how that hydrogen will defuse through a hot metal
enclosure.







The rate of diffusion is subject to the temperature and pressure of the
hydrogen, together with the exact kind, thickness, and temperature of the
metal. These are all variables in the calculation of the diffusion rate.







Furthermore, the presence of oxides and/or carbides on the surface of the
metal can reduce the rate of diffusion of hydrogen by up to 5 orders of
magnitude.







We don’t know for sure what the accurate values of some of these variables
are and additionally they would vary widely within an operational range
throughout the operational lifetime of the E-Cat.







However, since hydrogen is very slippery and notoriously hard to contain,  a
good  guess can be made that most of the hydrogen consumed by the Rossi
reactor would be lost through diffusion through the hot walls of the
stainless steel reaction vessel.





Because of all these large uncertainties, calculation of the nuclear
reaction rates as a function of hydrogen consumption implying  a clue to the
nuclear processes going on inside the E-Cat reaction vessel cannot be made
in my opinion.





With best regards,



Axil


On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote:

 From:

 http://www.rossilivecat.com/

 Quote:
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 Andrea Rossi
 October 25th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
 Dear Thomas Blakeslee:
 Grams/Power for a 180 days charge
 Hydrogen: 18000 g
 Nickel: 1 g
 Warm Regards,
 A.R.
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 End quote.

 At atomic weight of 1.0079 the 18000 gm of H is 1786 mols. At an atoommic
 weight of 58.69 the 10,000 gm of Ni is 170.4 mol.  This means 10.48 atoms of
 H need be provided per 1 atom of Ni.

 Assuming the reaction is Ni-H, as claimed, only about 1 in 10 atoms of H is
 consumed, thus 170.4 mols of H and a170.4 mols of Ni are consumed, maximum.
  This involves the obviously wrong assumption that all the Ni atoms are
 transmuted, not a more realistic 3 percent.  There is also an outside
 possibility the H reacts with daughter products, giving the possibility of
 10 subsequent daughter reactions per primary Ni+H reaction. Three such
 reactions is an outside possibility.

 One MW for 180 days is 1.556x10^13 J, or 10^7 MJ.  That is (6.241x10^24
 eV/MJ)*(1.556x10^13 J)/(170.4 mol * 6.022x10^23 atoms /mol) = 9.464x10^5
 eV/(Ni atom).  If there is one reaction per atom and all Ni is consumed by
 single reactions than that is 0.9464 MeV per Ni-H event.  The gammas from
 this would be lethal at short range, even through 2 cm of lead.  If it is
 assumed that 3% of the Ni is consumed then that is 0.9464 MeV/0.03 = 31.5
 MeV per reaction.  If there are an average of 3 daughter reactions per
 primary reactions that is about 10 Mev per reaction.

 If 10 MeV gammas are produced then 5 cm of lead shielding will be of no use
 in protecting the operators.  If near 1 MeV gammas are produced the lead
 shielding is inadequate.

 One MW of gammas is 6.241x10^24 eV/s, or, for 1 MeV gammas, 6.24x10^18
 gammas per second. using:

   I = I0 * exp(-mu * rho * L)

 where mu for 1 MeV is 0.02 cm^2/gm), and density of lead 11.34 gm/cm^3, we
 have for 5 cm of lead:


   I = (6.24x10^18 s^-1) * exp(-(0.02 cm^2/gm) * (11.34 gm/cm^3) *(5 cm))

   I = 2x10^18 free gammas per second.

 About half that, or 10^18 gammas/s would be directed toward the interior of
 the container housing the E-cats, and most of the 2x10^18 gammas per second
 would end up escaping the container.  This is an approximate calculation.
  Even if it is off by an order of magnitude, this kind of 1 MeV gamma flux,
 even 1/32 of it from one E-cat, would be readily detected by a geiger
 counter at significant range.

 It does not seem credible the energy from a Ni-H reaction, at least in the
 form of one gamma per reaction, provides any explanation for 1 MW of heat,
 if that thermal power is in fact achieved.

 Best regards,

 Horace Heffner
 http://www.mtaonline.net/~**hheffner/http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/







Re: [Vo]:Rossi H and Ni consumption

2011-10-27 Thread Horace Heffner
This is a nonsensical argument.  The less hydrogen available for  
nuclear reactions the *more* the MeV per reaction that is required to  
make the 1 MW output, thus the less effective any shielding would be,  
and the *less credible* it is that the MW heat comes from nuclear  
reactions.



On Oct 27, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Axil Axil wrote:

There are some ifs and buts associated with this subject. It has  
been known for over a hundred years how that hydrogen will defuse  
through a hot metal enclosure.




The rate of diffusion is subject to the temperature and pressure of  
the hydrogen, together with the exact kind, thickness, and  
temperature of the metal. These are all variables in the  
calculation of the diffusion rate.




Furthermore, the presence of oxides and/or carbides on the surface  
of the metal can reduce the rate of diffusion of hydrogen by up to  
5 orders of magnitude.




We don’t know for sure what the accurate values of some of these  
variables are and additionally they would vary widely within an  
operational range throughout the operational lifetime of the E-Cat.




However, since hydrogen is very slippery and notoriously hard to  
contain,  a good  guess can be made that most of the hydrogen  
consumed by the Rossi reactor would be lost through diffusion  
through the hot walls of the stainless steel reaction vessel.



Because of all these large uncertainties, calculation of the  
nuclear reaction rates as a function of hydrogen consumption  
implying  a clue to the nuclear processes going on inside the E-Cat  
reaction vessel cannot be made in my opinion.



With best regards,

Axil


On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Horace Heffner  
hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:

From:

http://www.rossilivecat.com/

Quote:
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Andrea Rossi
October 25th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
Dear Thomas Blakeslee:
Grams/Power for a 180 days charge
Hydrogen: 18000 g
Nickel: 1 g
Warm Regards,
A.R.
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End quote.

At atomic weight of 1.0079 the 18000 gm of H is 1786 mols. At an  
atoommic weight of 58.69 the 10,000 gm of Ni is 170.4 mol.  This  
means 10.48 atoms of H need be provided per 1 atom of Ni.


Assuming the reaction is Ni-H, as claimed, only about 1 in 10 atoms  
of H is consumed, thus 170.4 mols of H and a170.4 mols of Ni are  
consumed, maximum.  This involves the obviously wrong assumption  
that all the Ni atoms are transmuted, not a more realistic 3  
percent.  There is also an outside possibility the H reacts with  
daughter products, giving the possibility of 10 subsequent daughter  
reactions per primary Ni+H reaction. Three such reactions is an  
outside possibility.


One MW for 180 days is 1.556x10^13 J, or 10^7 MJ.  That is  
(6.241x10^24 eV/MJ)*(1.556x10^13 J)/(170.4 mol * 6.022x10^23 atoms / 
mol) = 9.464x10^5 eV/(Ni atom).  If there is one reaction per atom  
and all Ni is consumed by single reactions than that is 0.9464 MeV  
per Ni-H event.  The gammas from this would be lethal at short  
range, even through 2 cm of lead.  If it is assumed that 3% of the  
Ni is consumed then that is 0.9464 MeV/0.03 = 31.5 MeV per  
reaction.  If there are an average of 3 daughter reactions per  
primary reactions that is about 10 Mev per reaction.


If 10 MeV gammas are produced then 5 cm of lead shielding will be  
of no use in protecting the operators.  If near 1 MeV gammas are  
produced the lead shielding is inadequate.


One MW of gammas is 6.241x10^24 eV/s, or, for 1 MeV gammas,  
6.24x10^18 gammas per second. using:


  I = I0 * exp(-mu * rho * L)

where mu for 1 MeV is 0.02 cm^2/gm), and density of lead 11.34 gm/ 
cm^3, we have for 5 cm of lead:



  I = (6.24x10^18 s^-1) * exp(-(0.02 cm^2/gm) * (11.34 gm/cm^3) *(5  
cm))


  I = 2x10^18 free gammas per second.

About half that, or 10^18 gammas/s would be directed toward the  
interior of the container housing the E-cats, and most of the  
2x10^18 gammas per second would end up escaping the container.   
This is an approximate calculation.  Even if it is off by an order  
of magnitude, this kind of 1 MeV gamma flux, even 1/32 of it from  
one E-cat, would be readily detected by a geiger counter at  
significant range.


It does not seem credible the energy from a Ni-H reaction, at least  
in the form of one gamma per reaction, provides any explanation for  
1 MW of heat, if that thermal power is in fact achieved.


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/







Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/






Re: [Vo]:Rossi H and Ni consumption

2011-10-27 Thread Axil Axil
In the Miley presentation that he has recently released, Miley shows
transmutation to 39 isotopes over possible contamination levels.





The nuclear reactions and transmutation patterns that are going on inside
the Rossi reactor are similar to what Miley documents as mentioned in
Rossi’s original patent.





The presence of a large amount of iron in the Miley results is interesting
and similar iron contamination was found in the Rossi ash(10%) when they
were analyzed by the swedes.





The assumption that the nuclear reactions taking place in the Rossi reaction
are exclusively restricted to copper transmutation is mistaken in my
opinion.





The possibility that the reactions going on are hydrogen only cannot be
ignored with the production of copper as only one of many reactions going
on.


On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote:

 This is a nonsensical argument.  The less hydrogen available for nuclear
 reactions the *more* the MeV per reaction that is required to make the 1 MW
 output, thus the less effective any shielding would be, and the *less
 credible* it is that the MW heat comes from nuclear reactions.


  On Oct 27, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Axil Axil wrote:

  There are some ifs and buts associated with this subject. It has been
 known for over a hundred years how that hydrogen will defuse through a hot
 metal enclosure.






 The rate of diffusion is subject to the temperature and pressure of the
 hydrogen, together with the exact kind, thickness, and temperature of the
 metal. These are all variables in the calculation of the diffusion rate.






 Furthermore, the presence of oxides and/or carbides on the surface of the
 metal can reduce the rate of diffusion of hydrogen by up to 5 orders of
 magnitude.






 We don’t know for sure what the accurate values of some of these variables
 are and additionally they would vary widely within an operational range
 throughout the operational lifetime of the E-Cat.






 However, since hydrogen is very slippery and notoriously hard to contain,
  a good  guess can be made that most of the hydrogen consumed by the Rossi
 reactor would be lost through diffusion through the hot walls of the
 stainless steel reaction vessel.




 Because of all these large uncertainties, calculation of the nuclear
 reaction rates as a function of hydrogen consumption implying  a clue to
 the nuclear processes going on inside the E-Cat reaction vessel cannot be
 made in my opinion.




 With best regards,


 Axil


 On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote:

 From:

 http://www.rossilivecat.com/

 Quote:
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 Andrea Rossi
 October 25th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
 Dear Thomas Blakeslee:
 Grams/Power for a 180 days charge
 Hydrogen: 18000 g
 Nickel: 1 g
 Warm Regards,
 A.R.
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 End quote.

 At atomic weight of 1.0079 the 18000 gm of H is 1786 mols. At an atoommic
 weight of 58.69 the 10,000 gm of Ni is 170.4 mol.  This means 10.48 atoms of
 H need be provided per 1 atom of Ni.

 Assuming the reaction is Ni-H, as claimed, only about 1 in 10 atoms of H
 is consumed, thus 170.4 mols of H and a170.4 mols of Ni are consumed,
 maximum.  This involves the obviously wrong assumption that all the Ni atoms
 are transmuted, not a more realistic 3 percent.  There is also an outside
 possibility the H reacts with daughter products, giving the possibility of
 10 subsequent daughter reactions per primary Ni+H reaction. Three such
 reactions is an outside possibility.

 One MW for 180 days is 1.556x10^13 J, or 10^7 MJ.  That is (6.241x10^24
 eV/MJ)*(1.556x10^13 J)/(170.4 mol * 6.022x10^23 atoms /mol) = 9.464x10^5
 eV/(Ni atom).  If there is one reaction per atom and all Ni is consumed by
 single reactions than that is 0.9464 MeV per Ni-H event.  The gammas from
 this would be lethal at short range, even through 2 cm of lead.  If it is
 assumed that 3% of the Ni is consumed then that is 0.9464 MeV/0.03 = 31.5
 MeV per reaction.  If there are an average of 3 daughter reactions per
 primary reactions that is about 10 Mev per reaction.

 If 10 MeV gammas are produced then 5 cm of lead shielding will be of no
 use in protecting the operators.  If near 1 MeV gammas are produced the lead
 shielding is inadequate.

 One MW of gammas is 6.241x10^24 eV/s, or, for 1 MeV gammas, 6.24x10^18
 gammas per second. using:

   I = I0 * exp(-mu * rho * L)

 where mu for 1 MeV is 0.02 cm^2/gm), and density of lead 11.34 gm/cm^3, we
 have for 5 cm of lead:


   I = (6.24x10^18 s^-1) * exp(-(0.02 cm^2/gm) * (11.34 gm/cm^3) *(5 cm))

   I = 2x10^18 free gammas per second.

 About half that, or 10^18 gammas/s would be directed toward the interior
 of the container housing the E-cats, and most of the 2x10^18 gammas per
 second would end up escaping the container.  This is an approximate
 calculation.  Even if it is off by an order of magnitude, this kind of 1 MeV
 gamma flux, 

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Rossi H and Ni consumption

2011-10-27 Thread Horace Heffner


On Oct 27, 2011, at 4:49 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:

On  Thurs Oct 27, 2011 Horace said [snip] It does not seem credible  
the energy from a Ni-H reaction, at least
in the form of one gamma per reaction, provides any explanation for  
1 MW of heat, if that thermal power is in fact achieved.[/snip]


Horace,
	Assuming the thermal power is in fact achieved, and the reaction  
is not Ni-H, what do you feel is the next most credible theory ?

Fran



A Ni-H or even p-e-p nuclear interaction catalyzed by a Ni nucleus is  
not ruled out given there is a mechanism to disperse the nuclear  
energy in small increments and avoid radioactive products.


I think the reaction begins with a Ni electron being momentarily  
delayed in the Ni nucleus in a deflated state interaction with a  
proton or quark, as defined here:


http://www.mta online.net/~hheffner/FusionUpQuark.pdf
http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/DeflateP1.pdf

This provides the Ni nucleus with a very large magnetic moment, and  
magnetic gradient, which permits it to be the target of tunneling of  
deflated state hydrogen from the lattice.  This results in multiple  
hydrogen nuclei present in the Ni nucleus, and a highly de-energized  
Ni-H deflated nucleus cluster, with multiple trapped electrons which  
then radiate energy or transfer it directly to k-shell electrons via  
near field interactions.  Various apparently non-radioactive products  
are thereby made feasible. Non-radioactive products are the branches  
nature prefers because they are the least energy products.


It is notable that no nuclear reaction may result from a given Ni-H  
deflated cluster, and yet nuclear heat, in the form of zero point  
energy, is released and then replenished by the zero point field  
after the cluster breaks up.  See:


http://mta online.net/~hheffner/NuclearZPEtapping.pdf

Discussion of this could be very academic if there is in fact no  
excess heat from the Rossi experiments. I am hoping to write a FAQ on  
deflation fusion, but have not had the time.


I will be happy to discuss this at a later time.

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mta online.net/~hheffner/






Re: [Vo]:Rossi H and Ni consumption

2011-10-27 Thread Horace Heffner
You are off on a tangent.  My point is that Rossi's claims are in  
conflict with the observed results.  I will no longer respond for now.



On Oct 27, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Axil Axil wrote:

In the Miley presentation that he has recently released, Miley  
shows transmutation to 39 isotopes over possible contamination levels.



The nuclear reactions and transmutation patterns that are going on  
inside the Rossi reactor are similar to what Miley documents as  
mentioned in Rossi’s original patent.



The presence of a large amount of iron in the Miley results is  
interesting and similar iron contamination was found in the Rossi  
ash(10%) when they were analyzed by the swedes.



The assumption that the nuclear reactions taking place in the Rossi  
reaction are exclusively restricted to copper transmutation is  
mistaken in my opinion.



The possibility that the reactions going on are hydrogen only  
cannot be ignored with the production of copper as only one of many  
reactions going on.



On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Horace Heffner  
hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
This is a nonsensical argument.  The less hydrogen available for  
nuclear reactions the *more* the MeV per reaction that is required  
to make the 1 MW output, thus the less effective any shielding  
would be, and the *less credible* it is that the MW heat comes from  
nuclear reactions.



On Oct 27, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Axil Axil wrote:

There are some ifs and buts associated with this subject. It has  
been known for over a hundred years how that hydrogen will defuse  
through a hot metal enclosure.




The rate of diffusion is subject to the temperature and pressure  
of the hydrogen, together with the exact kind, thickness, and  
temperature of the metal. These are all variables in the  
calculation of the diffusion rate.




Furthermore, the presence of oxides and/or carbides on the surface  
of the metal can reduce the rate of diffusion of hydrogen by up to  
5 orders of magnitude.




We don’t know for sure what the accurate values of some of these  
variables are and additionally they would vary widely within an  
operational range throughout the operational lifetime of the E-Cat.




However, since hydrogen is very slippery and notoriously hard to  
contain,  a good  guess can be made that most of the hydrogen  
consumed by the Rossi reactor would be lost through diffusion  
through the hot walls of the stainless steel reaction vessel.



Because of all these large uncertainties, calculation of the  
nuclear reaction rates as a function of hydrogen consumption  
implying  a clue to the nuclear processes going on inside the E- 
Cat reaction vessel cannot be made in my opinion.



With best regards,

Axil


On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Horace Heffner  
hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:

From:

http://www.rossilivecat.com/

Quote:
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Andrea Rossi
October 25th, 2011 at 4:59 PM
Dear Thomas Blakeslee:
Grams/Power for a 180 days charge
Hydrogen: 18000 g
Nickel: 1 g
Warm Regards,
A.R.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
End quote.

At atomic weight of 1.0079 the 18000 gm of H is 1786 mols. At an  
atoommic weight of 58.69 the 10,000 gm of Ni is 170.4 mol.  This  
means 10.48 atoms of H need be provided per 1 atom of Ni.


Assuming the reaction is Ni-H, as claimed, only about 1 in 10  
atoms of H is consumed, thus 170.4 mols of H and a170.4 mols of Ni  
are consumed, maximum.  This involves the obviously wrong  
assumption that all the Ni atoms are transmuted, not a more  
realistic 3 percent.  There is also an outside possibility the H  
reacts with daughter products, giving the possibility of 10  
subsequent daughter reactions per primary Ni+H reaction. Three  
such reactions is an outside possibility.


One MW for 180 days is 1.556x10^13 J, or 10^7 MJ.  That is  
(6.241x10^24 eV/MJ)*(1.556x10^13 J)/(170.4 mol * 6.022x10^23  
atoms /mol) = 9.464x10^5 eV/(Ni atom).  If there is one reaction  
per atom and all Ni is consumed by single reactions than that is  
0.9464 MeV per Ni-H event.  The gammas from this would be lethal  
at short range, even through 2 cm of lead.  If it is assumed that  
3% of the Ni is consumed then that is 0.9464 MeV/0.03 = 31.5 MeV  
per reaction.  If there are an average of 3 daughter reactions per  
primary reactions that is about 10 Mev per reaction.


If 10 MeV gammas are produced then 5 cm of lead shielding will be  
of no use in protecting the operators.  If near 1 MeV gammas are  
produced the lead shielding is inadequate.


One MW of gammas is 6.241x10^24 eV/s, or, for 1 MeV gammas,  
6.24x10^18 gammas per second. using:


  I = I0 * exp(-mu * rho * L)

where mu for 1 MeV is 0.02 cm^2/gm), and density of lead 11.34 gm/ 
cm^3, we have for 5 cm of lead:



  I = (6.24x10^18 s^-1) * exp(-(0.02 cm^2/gm) * (11.34 gm/cm^3) * 
(5 cm))


  I = 2x10^18 free gammas per second.

About half that, or 10^18 gammas/s would be directed toward the  
interior of the container