[Vo]:Theory of Little Pops Evidence in A Growing Earth!
Steven Vincent Johnson wrote on 2-14-10: ``Jones, On the surface (no pun intended) this is an absolutely absurd hypothesis [the expanding earth] ...and yet, I love it!'' Jack Smith writes on 2-15-10: Expansion of the Earth can be explained by the continuous creation of matter as proposed by Hoyle and Narlikar, and as demonstrated by Halton Arp in his exaination of quasars. Arp thinks that newly formed protons are red shifted but become blue-shifted as they age (and gain mass). I find this theory far less absurd than the Big Bang. Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: ``But I wants-ta know: where wuz all the ocean water before Earth expanded. Laying on top of everything? Maybe Earth was originally WaterWorld. Watch out for those Smokers! Oh! I don't care! This is still an elegant hypothesis!.'' Hi All, Earth is bombarded every day with thousands of tons of ice from space and, despite the dissociation of water molecules and the loss of hydrogen, is gradualy becoming a water world. Jack Smith
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As controversial as the subject is, the Wiki article is balanced, if not leaning towards the minority viewpoint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_earth Here is what is said about Adams: One prominent present day advocate of an expanding Earth is comics artist Neal Adams,[34] who calls his ideas Growing Earth Theory. He believes that an Earth with half its present radius would allow the continents to fit together perfectly, completely closing both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. Adams has made video animations that graphically illustrate his hypothesis. His divergence from older versions of Expanded Earth is his proposed mechanism of expansion, in which new mass is created by some sort of electron/positron pair production within the core of the Earth.[35][36][37] From: Wm. Scott Smith You don't even need a Big Bang if you have enough Little Pops Evidence that this is so!!! The Earth Grows!!! http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html _
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Scott, One thing I meant to add to the previous - about the methodology for an expanding earth - and it is not mentioned in the Wiki piece - is the assertion of Dr. R. Mills of large scale hydrino T formation in the solar corona. Side note: Due to trademark concerns, we are usually calling the below-ground-state hydrogen: f/H for fractional hydrogen. Mills was not the first to suggest the species, but he has put many man-years of effort into his evolving theory, and is generally given credit for adding substance to the basic concept, despite the flaws that have turned up in the mathematics (according to critics on the HSG forum). Anyway, given that Mills could be partially correct - and has opined that as much as half of the energy output of the Sun is generated in the solar corona, in the form of EUV from ongoing deep f/H shrinkage (as opposed to fusion) - if true, then that would amount to millions of tons per second of neutral material (or even Rydberg matter) being spewed outwards, and over time this can provide some mass accretion for an expanding earth hypothesis (so long as all planets expand, and not just earth). It also explains the Oort cloud and possibly even a proportion of dark matter in the big picture. The downside of the viewpoint is the side-effect of the sun losing more mass over time than with fusion, and consequently that should mean that the earth's orbit would expand gradually over time. Global cooling would be the result of that . g . and this winter seems to be one that bolsters the Anti-Algore contingent. Let's don't go there. BTW - This view of a solar origin for large amounts of cosmological f/H does not necessarily negate Fran's view of a Casimir cavity based species, which is transient, as opposed to permanent. There could easily be a middle ground, or more inclusive mega-approach which anyone might wish to consider at some point: for instance, one in which the cavity origin is a subset of the broader phenomenon. Perhaps the first few fractional levels are always transient (and Mills is wrong on that) but after a certain fractional threshold is reached, or energy-depletion level is reached, the species shrinks all the way to Rydberg matter. This could explain some of the recent pycnodeuterium (Arata, et al) results rather elegantly since that only happens after lots of heat has been given up over several days in the experiment. A most enticing feature is that it all (cosmological, macro-scale and nanoscale) can be tied into a revised ZPE hypothesis with quantum flux as the common denominator (as explained via the Dirac epo). R. Mills, to his extreme discredit, is a ZPE denier ;-) Jones
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Jones, On the surface (no pun intended) this is an absolutely absurd hypothesis. ...and yet, I love it! Well shoot! We know stars expand and shrink during their epic life times. So... why not planets too? What mechanism has been theorized that would make planets like our Earth (and Mars) expand? Oh! I know! Bunches of hydrinos normalizing back to the normal ground state Yeah, that's the ticket! But I wants-ta know: where wuz all the ocean water before Earth expanded. Laying on top of everything? Maybe Earthj was originally WaterWorld. Watch out for those Smokers! Oh! I don't care! This is still an elegant hypothesis! :-) A+ Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:58 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Theory of Little Pops Evidence in A Growing Earth! As controversial as the subject is, the Wiki article is balanced, if not leaning towards the minority viewpoint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_earth Here is what is said about Adams: One prominent present day advocate of an expanding Earth is comics artist Neal Adams,[34] who calls his ideas Growing Earth Theory. He believes that an Earth with half its present radius would allow the continents to fit together perfectly, completely closing both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. Adams has made video animations that graphically illustrate his hypothesis. His divergence from older versions of Expanded Earth is his proposed mechanism of expansion, in which new mass is created by some sort of electron/positron pair production within the core of the Earth.[35][36][37] From: Wm. Scott Smith You don't even need a Big Bang if you have enough Little Pops Evidence that this is so!!! The Earth Grows!!! http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html
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OK Steven - first, let's be clear that I do not espouse this theory as it stands now. However, it deserves a fair hearing. It may not fly, but it has not been shot down effectively by the mainstream. In fact, the counter arguments are lame. In fact, there are parts of it that might fit quite well into the mainstream view - such as expansion being 'an initial stimulus' for starting and intensifying the process of continental drift / subduction. The end result is a bit of both. The earth may have been smaller 4.5 billion years ago, but instead of 400% smaller, only 25% (the numbers are meaningless except to express the point that even a small difference could be important if we acknowledge that both views can coexist). As for f/H normalizing after arrival ... yes, that is a good observation, and could be the major factor driving expansion ... yet, you ask the question about the water problem ... well, it can be observed that you may have answered the question with the setup, no? Most rock - granite, limestone, sandstone etc is an oxide. Shale contains lots of carbon. What happens when a neutral and very dense form of hydrogen, expelled from the solar corona... ... which may have been 100,000 times denser (if were Rydberg matter) first sinks to the core of earth and later, when it absorbs sufficient heat within the earth, expands and bonds chemically with its surroundings ... ... catch my drift :) If you said - it probably forms water, with some of it forms abiogenic oil (the Gold hypothesis), then go to the head of the class... There could have been far less water 4.5 billion years ago, and some of it has been manufactured by the ongoing solar f/H process. Some oil and natural gas may also have an inorganic origin. Jones -Original Message- From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson Jones, On the surface (no pun intended) this is an absolutely absurd hypothesis. ...and yet, I love it! Well shoot! We know stars expand and shrink during their epic life times. So... why not planets too? What mechanism has been theorized that would make planets like our Earth (and Mars) expand? Oh! I know! Bunches of hydrinos normalizing back to the normal ground state Yeah, that's the ticket! But I wants-ta know: where wuz all the ocean water before Earth expanded. Laying on top of everything? Maybe Earthj was originally WaterWorld. Watch out for those Smokers! Oh! I don't care! This is still an elegant hypothesis! :-) A+ Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:58 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Theory of Little Pops Evidence in A Growing Earth! As controversial as the subject is, the Wiki article is balanced, if not leaning towards the minority viewpoint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_earth Here is what is said about Adams: One prominent present day advocate of an expanding Earth is comics artist Neal Adams,[34] who calls his ideas Growing Earth Theory. He believes that an Earth with half its present radius would allow the continents to fit together perfectly, completely closing both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. Adams has made video animations that graphically illustrate his hypothesis. His divergence from older versions of Expanded Earth is his proposed mechanism of expansion, in which new mass is created by some sort of electron/positron pair production within the core of the Earth.[35][36][37] From: Wm. Scott Smith You don't even need a Big Bang if you have enough Little Pops Evidence that this is so!!! The Earth Grows!!! http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html
[Vo]:Theory of Little Pops Evidence in A Growing Earth!
So that brings us to what is being measured in the Casimir experiments today. Fran says I have argued that thermodynamics in combination with electrostatic charging is the source of the Casimir effect. That was my first attempt to explain the Casimir effect without the ZPF. You can force two like-charged balloons together and they will stick since parts of each balloon induces spots of opposite charge on small areas of the other balloon.---But that is just the problem---You have to force them together, then they stick. This is the problem with saying that Van der Waal's Forces of Distraction are caused by a Summation of London Forces over an extended area. Saying that Van der Waal's Forces cause the Casimir Force makes as much sense as maintaining that the Path of the Earth Around the Sun causes both Gravity and Inertia! Unfortunately, Casimir did not conserve EM energy and this has been going on by his followers for over a half century. Why does he have to conserve energy. This whole business is based on the idea that there is always the same amount of em vanishing from the Universe as is appearing.--Or they simply say It doesn't count because it is so brief! which is truly absurd. Besides: Isn't the Big Bang just a kind of end-run around Mass-Energy Conservation. If the Big Bang gets a pass on these laws because it started outside the realm of this Universe and its Laws---then why may I not posit a Theory of Little Pops (little Big-Bangs so-to-speak!) Google Quantum-Flux and Big Bang and you find that the Big-Bang Theory still requires a Quantum-Flux to generate Matter.---Why is everybody so sure that this process has stopped? You don't even need a Big Bang if you have enough Little Pops Evidence that this is so!!! The Earth Grows!!! http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/
