RE: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
Having just read Mats Lewan's An Impossible Invention I would bet on Rossi knowing what he is doing. He's been through all this a coupe of times before. In particular, consider what would have happened if he had described the E-Cat in sufficient detail that others could make a working version and the Patent Office has turned it down for any reason. As they have done for the present application. Then others would have his secrets for free. I have little confidence in the patent system anyway. The patent is not worth anything until it has been expensively defended in court. The patent situation for LENR is in such a mess I expect the lawyers will make as much as the inventors at least for the first few years. I view his current patent as just a holding position. If there is to be a real patent it will probably be for the catalyst/powder treatment that gives a high output, for the Hot Cat that is significantly different, and probably for the two stage Mouse and Cat that will provide a higher COP.
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
This patent is a fiasco. I do not know much about patents, but even I knew about some of the problems David French described. Rossi is reportedly an experienced businessman. So why did he make such extreme mistakes? - Jed
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
Maybe he has some psychiatric problems? Schizophrenia? http://www.helpguide.org/mental/schizophrenia_symptom.htm 2014-04-04 10:23 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Rossi is reportedly an experienced businessman. So why did he make such extreme mistakes? - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
From: Jed Rothwell This patent is a fiasco. I do not know much about patents, but even I knew about some of the problems David French described. Rossi is reportedly an experienced businessman. So why did he make such extreme mistakes? Well, he did not understand how his device operated, first-off, and secondly there was already a ton of prior art, including Piantelli and Mills. Plus, some would say that much of his business experience has been skirting the Law, where he did not fare well. The curious thing is that Rossi has managed to have the same patent granted in Italy. That would probably be of some value for much of Europe. As French says, the most likely scenario is that there are presently one or more filings which are in progress at USPTO and subject to the 18 months non-publication rule. The PCT – aka the World International Patent System - WIPO (www.wipo.int/pct/en/) … has been signed by the US and most other countries. This creates an International problem for anyone wanting to willfully infringe since Rossi has a granted patent in Italy.
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
Jones, I believe this is wrong on a couple of counts. First, there is no non-publication rule, there is the publication rule which says that 18 months after the priority date (usually the date of application), the patent application is published by the USPTO. Once filed, there is nothing to prevent the applicant from publishing. Second, Rossi's Italian patent only grants him patent rights in Italy. He has a priority date for that invention from the date of filing in Italy, but no patent rights in another country unless a patent is also granted in the other country. So, he basically has no patent protection in the US, or the rest of the world, just Italy. Everyone thinks that they could make better business decisions than Rossi - the reality is that it is much more complicated than most realize. As I said in a previous post, protecting a business with a single patent, even a good one, is an unlikely prospect. Rossi does not know enough about how his reaction works to be able to write a patent with sufficiently broad claims to block a wide range of work-arounds - no one knows enough today. Aside from that, there is the rule that the application must be filed within 1 year of the first public disclosure or offer for sale. This meant that Rossi was under the gun to file his patent - whatever he could muster. To make matters worse, the US would publish his application 18 months after filing (to protect against submarine patents) whether the patent office was going to issue his patent or not. In fact, the publication would likely occur before first office action on the patent. If Rossi had truly disclosed everything in his application which is needed to make LENR work (required to get the patent), he ran the risk that the patent would be rejected and his secret would be published and become part of prior art - what a catch-22! Also, the USPTO has a reputation of blanket rejection of cold fusion class patents, so the likelihood of realizing a useful patent was near nil. Still, investors don't really want to invest in a product that doesn't have some form of IP protection. The more they will consider investing the more IP protection they will require. Otherwise, they pay to develop the product and someone else (perhaps in China) will copy it and make all of the profit from the market. For most products this is true, but there is so much money to be made in LENR that this may not be AS true if Rossi can get out ahead in making product. The normal way to make a business of something like this is to resist the urge to talk about your invention except to investors under non-disclosure agreement. Get your IP filed (as many applications as you can with good advice of patent attorney) and proceed to seek investment to make your product. Rossi's mistake, if he made one, was to talk about his invention. What we don't see is the other forces at play. LENR has clear military potential. Patent applications that have military potential frequently get suppressed as secret - look what happened to the patent for the laser. We don't see the forces that Rossi was against. Perhaps his public disclosures were to help circumvent military suppression - we will not know unless he tells us. I give Rossi credit for navigation as far as he has come in such difficult waters. He still holds his secret (but with a tenuous grasp). Bob Higgins On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Well, he did not understand how his device operated, first-off, and secondly there was already a ton of prior art, including Piantelli and Mills. Plus, some would say that much of his business experience has been skirting the Law, where he did not fare well. The curious thing is that Rossi has managed to have the same patent granted in Italy. That would probably be of some value for much of Europe. As French says, the most likely scenario is that there are presently one or more filings which are in progress at USPTO and subject to the 18 months non-publication rule. The PCT - aka the World International Patent System - WIPO (www.wipo.int/pct/en/) ... has been signed by the US and most other countries. This creates an International problem for anyone wanting to willfully infringe since Rossi has a granted patent in Italy.
RE: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
From: Bob Higgins Jones, I believe this is wrong on a couple of counts. First, there is no non-publication rule, there is the publication rule which says that 18 months after the priority date (usually the date of application), the patent application is published by the USPTO. Once filed, there is nothing to prevent the applicant from publishing. Bob - Well, it can be phrased either way - but the applicant can chose whether to publish or not. The overwhelming majority chose not to publish, since the disadvantages usually outweigh any possible advantage. Thus, we could presently be within the non-publication period of 18 months for Rossi. which is the main point. Rossi (with or without IH) may indeed have filed a better drafted application than the one which we see. Jones
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
Having a long history with corporate business protection with IP, a couple of points strike me that I think are getting missed: - Big business is only protected with a PORTFOLIO of patents - not just a single patent. - The bigger the business, the more manpower that can be applied to working around patents; so the bigger the business (in $), the larger the PORTFOLIO of patents must be. - A large PORTFOLIO becomes a high scary wall for any serious company to attempt to overcome. If Industrial Heat wants to protect their interests, they need to file ~50 applications this year to begin a portfolio to protect their investment. (And basically lock down until that is done.) I believe that Rossi's material is un-protect-able at this point due to the lack of validity of his current application (making it now part of prior art), and due to all of the published prior art on LENR materials in the intervening years. Any new (improved) patent written on the material would have a priority date of the new application date - with everything up until then being prior art. Another problem with any new material patent would be that Rossi has already sold units more than 1 year ago (I think) and you only have 1 year in the US to file an application after the first offer for sale. Once the secret comes out, there will be more understanding of how LENR works, and many work-arounds will emerge to have LENR without violating any material patent that could be written *with today's understanding of LENR*. The real opportunity is writing patents on the multitude of apparatus that will use LENR, that will provide a means of throttling the reaction, that will make it more durable, or will make it safer. It is really, really hard to build a company on a trade secret. - Bob Higgins On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: WD40 never filed a patent so that no one would know their secret ingredients. So, it is a trade secret. That works for a product with a limited market. If WD40 were worth hundreds of billions, other companies would do a chemical analysis of it, and then reverse engineer it. Cold fusion has gigantic market potential, so it will be reverse engineered no matter how difficult that may be. A trade secret would not work for it. - Jed
[Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
David French wrote this article, and sent me the link: http://coldfusionnow.org/us-examiner-addresses-andrea-rossi-us-patent-application/ - Jed
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
Basically, Rossi's soap opera will surely be over in 6 months, at most. 2014-04-02 11:19 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: David French wrote this article, and sent me the link: http://coldfusionnow.org/us-examiner-addresses-andrea-rossi-us-patent-application/ - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
Why do you say that? On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Basically, Rossi's soap opera will surely be over in 6 months, at most. 2014-04-02 11:19 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: David French wrote this article, and sent me the link: http://coldfusionnow.org/us-examiner-addresses-andrea-rossi-us-patent-application/ - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
Whatcha talkin bout Daniel!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k 2014-04-02 20:05 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: Why do you say that? On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Basically, Rossi's soap opera will surely be over in 6 months, at most. 2014-04-02 11:19 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: David French wrote this article, and sent me the link: http://coldfusionnow.org/us-examiner-addresses-andrea-rossi-us-patent-application/ - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
I thought that the original application was vague on purpose. It gave Rossi more time to develop the reactor while the PO was considering it. It took about 4 years in this regard. Now he has a reasonable amount of time to improve the application as suggested by PO. Further it was my understanding that he has a patent in the EU. patent organization. I do not believe that Industrial Heat was NOT aware of the status of the application and is ready to jump on the corrections. I do not see Rossi's actions as a soap opera--they have been well designed and may sense to me. The catalyst elements will be of interest. The information that Levi and others produced early on surely must be relevant to his cause. However I do not know whether this was reference in the original application or not. French should know. Rossi has recently indicated that the third party test of his reactor now in progress has produced lots of continuous data and will surely validate the operability of the invention. I am surprised that there is not an application for the Hot Cat design. However, it may fall within the scope of the original application and will be addressed more fully in Rossi's/Industrial Heat's response to the current PO notice. Bob - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application Basically, Rossi's soap opera will surely be over in 6 months, at most. 2014-04-02 11:19 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: David French wrote this article, and sent me the link: http://coldfusionnow.org/us-examiner-addresses-andrea-rossi-us-patent-application/ - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
The text says: As is usual with a first initiative by a US Patent Office Examiner, this Office Action rejects the application. Rossi now has three months from March 26, 2014, extendable upon fee payments up to six months, to file a Response. Whatever Rossi could do to have a patent, he should do in these period. Another patent will just make this redundant. 2014-04-02 15:05 GMT-03:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: Why do you say that? On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Basically, Rossi's soap opera will surely be over in 6 months, at most. 2014-04-02 11:19 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: David French wrote this article, and sent me the link: http://coldfusionnow.org/us-examiner-addresses-andrea-rossi-us-patent-application/ - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
He could achieve the same by doing nothing since this patent, as it is, doesn't protect anything. Rossi will be, at least, a victim of himself. 2014-04-02 15:46 GMT-03:00 Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com: I thought that the original application was vague on purpose. It gave Rossi more time to develop the reactor while the PO was considering it. It took about 4 years in this regard. Now he has a reasonable amount of time to improve the application as suggested by PO. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
From: Susanna Gipp Whatcha talkin bout Daniel! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k The Rossi opera - soapy or riveting, will not end until the technology is shown to be a complete bust, since it does not exist out there alone. There is a conforming history - even if the present evidence of strong energy gain is not sufficient to please skeptics. 24 years of positive results, going back to Thermacore, serve to negate the likelihood of fraud. Having a valid patent is never necessary for success. It can help, sure - but trade secrets can probably help as much in Rossi's case. Of course, if there is no useful technology at all, then Rossi will be finished - but it will take years to finally determine that; and all indications are that there is substantial gain, even if less than claimed. Patents can be irrelevant. Bayer still sells more aspirin than anyone else, at a higher price than anyone else, despite their patent running out nearly 100 years ago . not to mention having all of their factories confiscated during the War. Another prime example is the recent Courtroom war of Apple vs. Samsung over smart phones. Samsung was able to use its dominance in manufacturing despite having relatively insignificant IP (fluff) to essentially pry its way into first place in smart phones. They started out as a contract manufacturer for Apple - there is a lesson there. Apple was able to get a few billion for infringement recently - but that is chump change compared to the $1.2 trillion market for mobile communications. Samsung will appeal that verdict for 4-5 years or more and then pay it off easily, out of a few months of operating profits. No big deal. They won essentially without the basic patents. The market for E-Cats will be a trillion dollar market as well in a decade - if the Rossi technology is valid. He will not be able to protect it any better than Apple has done - at least not in the courts, so having trade secrets is not a bad strategy so long as you do not give up being the low-cost manufacturer. By 2020, China will become the dominant players in LENR - if the technology works. Necessity is not just the mother of invention - it is the whole family tree. Rossi would do well to capitalize on Industrial Heat's China connections. That reality is not lost on them.
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
I like Jones' analysis. It covers most of it. I further think that if Rossi does not have a working LENR at least he believes he has one as there is no way he has completely fooled all investors involved just sweet talking. I understand he has made less smart business in the field of garbage and energy. Well, such things happens. It does not mean he is a bad entrepreneur. We had a discussion, about how pity it is, that the US government does not make funds available for LENR, a few weeks ago. Maybe Rossi' scientific background and his success record is questionable , maybe Mills' theories are questionable as well as his long string of optimistic predictions, but they both are raising money and seems to work with a clear direction. Although I understand that critic is required now and then I find it hard to not respect their entrepreneurship. It is hard to get a project funded. Do not think for a moment that private money is easier to obtain than government grants. It is different but not easier. I think it is time to search for the cheapest way to get result and start a business with better funding.:) Five years from now the fight about market share will commence. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort. PJM On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Susanna Gipp Whatcha talkin bout Daniel! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k The Rossi opera - soapy or riveting, will not end until the technology is shown to be a complete bust, since it does not exist out there alone. There is a conforming history - even if the present evidence of strong energy gain is not sufficient to please skeptics. 24 years of positive results, going back to Thermacore, serve to negate the likelihood of fraud. Having a valid patent is never necessary for success. It can help, sure - but trade secrets can probably help as much in Rossi's case. Of course, if there is no useful technology at all, then Rossi will be finished - but it will take years to finally determine that; and all indications are that there is substantial gain, even if less than claimed. Patents can be irrelevant. Bayer still sells more aspirin than anyone else, at a higher price than anyone else, despite their patent running out nearly 100 years ago ... not to mention having all of their factories confiscated during the War. Another prime example is the recent Courtroom war of Apple vs. Samsung over smart phones. Samsung was able to use its dominance in manufacturing despite having relatively insignificant IP (fluff) to essentially pry its way into first place in smart phones. They started out as a contract manufacturer for Apple - there is a lesson there. Apple was able to get a few billion for infringement recently - but that is chump change compared to the $1.2 trillion market for mobile communications. Samsung will appeal that verdict for 4-5 years or more and then pay it off easily, out of a few months of operating profits. No big deal. They won essentially without the basic patents. The market for E-Cats will be a trillion dollar market as well in a decade - if the Rossi technology is valid. He will not be able to protect it any better than Apple has done - at least not in the courts, so having trade secrets is not a bad strategy so long as you do not give up being the low-cost manufacturer. By 2020, China will become the dominant players in LENR - if the technology works. Necessity is not just the mother of invention - it is the whole family tree. Rossi would do well to capitalize on Industrial Heat's China connections. That reality is not lost on them.
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
But they did have patents! But Rossi doesn't have anything. His ecat secret will be cracked within days or just a few weeks, given the importance of the invention, the greatest since the domestication of wheat and rice So, he doesn't have anything. He's naked, he won't profit without a patent. 2014-04-02 17:07 GMT-03:00 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: It can help, sure - but trade secrets can probably help as much in Rossi's case. Of course, if there is no useful technology at all, then Rossi will be finished - but it will take years to finally determine that; and all indications are that there is substantial gain, even if less than claimed. Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
Jones-- Well said. You have more breath than I. I have always concluded he would depend upon trade secrets to give him an edge on the rush to come. I agree that Industrial Heat sees that advantage and their involvement with China promises fewer headaches from big oil and other governmental influences in the United States that are bent on keeping him out of business here. China needs the Rossi technology badly. Bob - Original Message - From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 1:07 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application From: Susanna Gipp Whatcha talkin bout Daniel! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k The Rossi opera - soapy or riveting, will not end until the technology is shown to be a complete bust, since it does not exist out there alone. There is a conforming history - even if the present evidence of strong energy gain is not sufficient to please skeptics. 24 years of positive results, going back to Thermacore, serve to negate the likelihood of fraud. Having a valid patent is never necessary for success. It can help, sure - but trade secrets can probably help as much in Rossi's case. Of course, if there is no useful technology at all, then Rossi will be finished - but it will take years to finally determine that; and all indications are that there is substantial gain, even if less than claimed. Patents can be irrelevant. Bayer still sells more aspirin than anyone else, at a higher price than anyone else, despite their patent running out nearly 100 years ago . not to mention having all of their factories confiscated during the War. Another prime example is the recent Courtroom war of Apple vs. Samsung over smart phones. Samsung was able to use its dominance in manufacturing despite having relatively insignificant IP (fluff) to essentially pry its way into first place in smart phones. They started out as a contract manufacturer for Apple - there is a lesson there. Apple was able to get a few billion for infringement recently - but that is chump change compared to the $1.2 trillion market for mobile communications. Samsung will appeal that verdict for 4-5 years or more and then pay it off easily, out of a few months of operating profits. No big deal. They won essentially without the basic patents. The market for E-Cats will be a trillion dollar market as well in a decade - if the Rossi technology is valid. He will not be able to protect it any better than Apple has done - at least not in the courts, so having trade secrets is not a bad strategy so long as you do not give up being the low-cost manufacturer. By 2020, China will become the dominant players in LENR - if the technology works. Necessity is not just the mother of invention - it is the whole family tree. Rossi would do well to capitalize on Industrial Heat's China connections. That reality is not lost on them.
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
WD40 never filed a patent so that no one would know their secret ingredients.
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: WD40 never filed a patent so that no one would know their secret ingredients. So, it is a trade secret. That works for a product with a limited market. If WD40 were worth hundreds of billions, other companies would do a chemical analysis of it, and then reverse engineer it. Cold fusion has gigantic market potential, so it will be reverse engineered no matter how difficult that may be. A trade secret would not work for it. - Jed
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Hello Jed, I think it works with a trade secret. One just need to be ahead of the pack to win. As a matter of fact a patent might be a disadvantage as you need to give away some trade secrets. Many times it is possible to find ways around the patent and perhaps have an advantage by not having a patent, which requires defense. How many lawyers does it takes to stop China from making a chinese copy and go to court defending the reason the patent is not violated with the Chinese twist. I think the bigger the product the harder to get a solid patent. There are all sorts of reasons to not honor the patent. Political, financial, etc. WD-40 not so much. As I mentioned before BIG funding, and good sales team combined with smart engineers might be the best bet as soon as one gets Rossi' specs.:) Wright airplanes are not so popular. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 6140 Horseshoe Bar Road Suite G, Loomis CA 95650 Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort. PJM On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: WD40 never filed a patent so that no one would know their secret ingredients. So, it is a trade secret. That works for a product with a limited market. If WD40 were worth hundreds of billions, other companies would do a chemical analysis of it, and then reverse engineer it. Cold fusion has gigantic market potential, so it will be reverse engineered no matter how difficult that may be. A trade secret would not work for it. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
It seems that Rossi changed his mind about how to commercialize his reactor about 2-3 years ago. First it was to come out for home heating and sold by a Home Depot like company. That soon changed to licensed use in an industrial setting with trained operators. It seems that is where the application remains with some? legal contractual protection against reverse engineering. However, I question whether such an agreement will hold water in China. It seems pretty easy to steel a reactor given their size. If it works as he says it will be much more valuable than a kg of U-235---also more dangerous in some folks minds. Bob - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: WD40 never filed a patent so that no one would know their secret ingredients. So, it is a trade secret. That works for a product with a limited market. If WD40 were worth hundreds of billions, other companies would do a chemical analysis of it, and then reverse engineer it. Cold fusion has gigantic market potential, so it will be reverse engineered no matter how difficult that may be. A trade secret would not work for it. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
Nothing stops China. They took microscopic slices of the Intel 8080 microprocessor and reconstructed the masks required to back engineer the chip. Cheap knock offs were shipping within a year of the introduction of the chip.
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
Wasn't it SU? 2014-04-02 22:49 GMT-03:00 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com: Nothing stops China. They took microscopic slices of the Intel 8080 microprocessor and reconstructed the masks required to back engineer the chip. Cheap knock offs were shipping within a year of the introduction of the chip. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: But they did have patents! But Rossi doesn't have anything. His ecat secret will be cracked within days or just a few weeks, given the importance of the invention, the greatest since the domestication of wheat and rice So, he doesn't have anything. He's naked, he won't profit without a patent. This makes sense to me. I suspect Rossi has given up on cashing in big at this point and is now happy to have made a significant amount (presumably) on the recent sale to Industrial Heat and, in the future, through a share of whatever they take in. It is now in Industrial Heat's hands to try to obtain a profit from the situation, assuming this is their goal. I suppose the way they can do that at this point is by getting a line of quality products to market. There will obviously be tough competition once enough people get over the initial disbelief. Eric
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
The fundamental misstep of Rossi was this: The specification shall contain a written description of the invention, and of the manner and process of making and using it, in such full, clear, concise, and exact terms as to enable any person skilled in the art to which it pertains, or with which it is most nearly connected, to make and use the same, and shall set forth the best mode contemplated by the inventor of carrying out his invention. The reality is that patent offices come down on you like a tonne of bricks if you try to obfuscate this part. And so they should. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:19 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: David French wrote this article, and sent me the link: http://coldfusionnow.org/us-examiner-addresses-andrea-rossi-us-patent-application/ - Jed
Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The Rossi opera – soapy or riveting, will not end until the technology is shown to be a complete bust, since it does not exist out there alone. Both riveting and weighed down with some longueurs. When the news comes in, more entertaining than a novel. Perhaps a show that could only be possible since the Internet came along. Eric
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If the e-Cat pans out - not just a soap opera, but a fundamental re-evaluation of the how we should investigate and perceive physical reality itself. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The Rossi opera - soapy or riveting, will not end until the technology is shown to be a complete bust, since it does not exist out there alone. Both riveting and weighed down with some longueurs. When the news comes in, more entertaining than a novel. Perhaps a show that could only be possible since the Internet came along. Eric
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I was not thinking deeply. Just evaluating Rossi's behavior. 2014-04-03 0:15 GMT-03:00 Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com: If the e-Cat pans out - not just a soap opera, but a fundamental re-evaluation of the how we should investigate and perceive physical reality itself. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
