RE: [Vo]:Which is Better: Dishwasher or Washing Dishes by Hand?
From Jed: Dishwashing machines are much better. The use only hot water, at temperatures much higher than a person can stand even with rubber gloves. This helps disinfect the dishes. They have aux heaters in case the incoming hot water is not hot enough. I'll certainly grant the obvious evidence that temperatures achieved within a typical dishwasher will easily split most germ particles from the nuclear cores of dishes and utensils. But which procedure is more energy efficient - using a dishwasher to split off the unwanted particles, or washing them away by hand? Which method uses fewer natural resources too? Just curious. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Which is Better: Dishwasher or Washing Dishes by Hand?
The dishwasher rarely breaks dishes. By hand it's, You wash, I'll drop. T
Re: [Vo]:Which is Better: Dishwasher or Washing Dishes by Hand?
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Which method uses fewer natural resources too? The study cited here indicates that the machine uses fewer resources. These studies probably compare the machine to what anthropologists call the American method of washing dishes or clothes, which is to use running water. Americans, along with people in India and several other countries, think that running water is clean water. We suspect that still or pooled water is contaminated. In some other countries, people tend to fill a sink or bucket with water, soak the dishes and then wash them. This takes less water. - Jed
[Vo]:Which is Better: Dishwasher or Washing Dishes by Hand?
http://ca.shine.yahoo.com/which-is-better--dishwasher-or-washing-dishes-by-hand-.html A study out of the University of Bonn in Germany, reported by Pablo Päster in the May/June issue of EatingWell Magazine, found that washing a load of dishes (12 place settings) by hand uses on average 27 gallons of water and 2.5 kilowatt-hours of energy to heat the water-equivalent to running a hair dryer for 2 1/2 hours. (Not to mention the parental energy it takes to get your kid to wash all those dishes in the first place.) By comparison, an energy-efficient dishwasher uses about 4 gallons of water and 1 kWh of energy per load. (And over the course of a year, using the dishwasher saves more than 400 hours of labor!) Researchers also found that dishwashers cleaned better, as half of the hand-washers failed to reach an acceptable level of cleanliness. harry
Re: [Vo]:Which is Better: Dishwasher or Washing Dishes by Hand?
Interesting, but can we learn to live with fewer dishes? Harry On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: http://ca.shine.yahoo.com/which-is-better--dishwasher-or-washing-dishes-by-hand-.html A study out of the University of Bonn in Germany, reported by Pablo Päster in the May/June issue of EatingWell Magazine, found that washing a load of dishes (12 place settings) by hand uses on average 27 gallons of water and 2.5 kilowatt-hours of energy to heat the water-equivalent to running a hair dryer for 2 1/2 hours. (Not to mention the parental energy it takes to get your kid to wash all those dishes in the first place.) By comparison, an energy-efficient dishwasher uses about 4 gallons of water and 1 kWh of energy per load. (And over the course of a year, using the dishwasher saves more than 400 hours of labor!) Researchers also found that dishwashers cleaned better, as half of the hand-washers failed to reach an acceptable level of cleanliness. harry
Re: [Vo]:Which is Better: Dishwasher or Washing Dishes by Hand?
Von: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 19:03 Samstag, 21.April 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Which is Better: Dishwasher or Washing Dishes by Hand? Interesting, but can we learn to live with fewer dishes? Harry Ofcourse we could. I think it was Henry David Thoreau, who who carved a wooden bowl and had a single spoon for his whole conscious life, and ate what he planted harvested from his soil. But anyway, here you have the status 'thing', which spoils the issue. Thorstein Veblen, the last real world economist, was thinking about in his 'theory of the leisure class'. Dishwashers and the variety of dishes we use, are mere social constructs, bare of any basic need. See Abraham Maslov or Peter Corning on the concept of basic needs, and the hierarchy of needs. (Peter Corning is more sophisticated) All 'higher' needs are social constructs. If You are inclined to do, You can strip them down to the basics, which every -ahem- sentient human being should consider. I'm not a primitivist, but I see the point of the primitivists. If you are a cornucopian transhumanist -which I suppose You are NOT, because You wold'nt have asked the question in the first place, this is nothing to ponder. Buy a LENR heater and continue with BAU. Which is mostly nonsensical, as far as I can see. Abundant energy -LENR-type, throws us back to some fundamental questions, which are unanswered. Note: I'm aware that this is not 'politically correct' within the vortex community. But I am here and think that way. Frugality is a virtue, which I will not give up, even if LENR delivers abundance. To argue towards frugality in the face of abundance is a difficult question. But comes time, comes argument. Guenter
Re: [Vo]:Which is Better: Dishwasher or Washing Dishes by Hand?
Dishwashing machines are much better. The use only hot water, at temperatures much higher than a person can stand even with rubber gloves. This helps disinfect the dishes. They have aux heaters in case the incoming hot water is not hot enough. Chris Tinsley pointed this out to me. - Jed
