RE: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

2017-01-02 Thread bobcook39923 
Axil--

Unless  the Atomic Energy Act changes or is supplemented by a different act 
controlling LENR, regulation will be accomplished by the various states, 
consistent with  new  health and safety laws.

Or  LENR my come to be regulated by ordinances like electricity, plumbing and 
heating in a house.  I guess my state of  Alaska would be the last state to 
establish such regulation.  I would guess that the hazards associated with 
ongoing medical practice—regulated by states—may be another model that could 
evolve, even licenses like for automobile operation may  come to past.  

Again your concern about heavy regulation and huge Rossi reactors is nothing 
more than fear mongering IMHO.

Bob Cook


From: Axil Axil
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 10:16 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting



LENR will be treated as any nuclear reactor and regulated heavily. Huge Rossi 
reactors will end up being sited far from people in ITER like reactors and 
difficult to maintain. In these facts, Rossi is misleading people. No basement 
sited reactors can work. Rossi thinks he can solve these problems with his 
reactors but he cannot.

Holmlid reports a high degree of ionization on the walls of his test gear from 
the charged muons that his tests produce.

Me356 reports the same thing but alot worst.

Insights about this issue from famous LENR developer, ME356 as follows:
Emissions (RF, electrons and UV) during the test were so strong that my control 
circuit was absolutely crazy even that it was 3 meters away - it is unusable.
I am very sure that this behavior is real as it happened to me too. I use 
analog pressure meter which cannot be damaged.
I am sure that the noise is extremely high as it affects computers and USB 
peripherals 2 meters away.
Everything is contactless.
Also I have checked that SiC element is producing so intense EM field, that my 
IR meter (that is reading data from TC) was unstable at 800W and more."

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 11:23 AM, <bobcook39...@gmail.com> wrote:
George Egely’s item on transmutation by dust fusion reported sulfur from oxygen 
maybe.  See the current  issue of Infinite Energy.  A plasma is involved in the 
phenomena.
 
Bob Cook
 
 
From: Jones Beene
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 7:16 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting
 
FWIW - the only strong evidence of muons in LENR comes from laser irradiation. 
(Holmlid, Winterberg)
Laser irradiation produces so much more power in a short time frame than 
electrolysis, that the two are not comparable. Neither are related to 
biological transmutation (Kervran). It is a mistake to think that any of these 
are related.
Thus both viewpoints expressed in this thread can be correct - cold fusion 
itself produces no muons, while laser irradiation of dense hydrogen does 
produce muons. The transmutation of oxygen to sulfur is different and goes back 
150 years - well before Kervran in fact - see: 
http://bionutrient.org/library/reviews/biological-transmutations
There is no evidence of muons in biological transmutation.
Thus we have three very distinct classes of LENR already in this one situation, 
neglecting Ni-H and they all have significant proof: 
1) biological (Kervran et al); 
2) cold fusion (P); and 
3) laser irradiation of dense hydrogen (Holmlid). 
I think it is a big mistake to try to explain these as being part of any single 
theory. However, there are connections between cold fusion of 
palladium/deuterium to nickel/hydrogen. Once a laser is employed however - all 
bets are off, even if the Letts/Cravens effect of low-powered lasers is closer 
to cold fusion than to Holmlid. 
 
Axil Axil wrote:
Here is the link to the diagram that did not appear in the post above: 
 
https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.csam.montclair.edu%2F%7Ekowalski%2Fcf%2F341fig1.jpg=y8LKL4Hf4Ud13sQke0JURw=600=296
 
 
The so called Erzion phenomenon was discovered in a series of electrolytic 
experiments marked by unexplained changes in a pool of cooling water outside of 
the catalytic cell. After 40 minutes of electrolytic cell operation, water on 
the tungsten anode side of the cooling vessel started losing its transparency. 
 
https://youtu.be/MymFcb9U1Ck

Strange that in this experiment showing the production of sulfur, the activity 
was at the anode. Could the Erzion actually be muons?

Water on the stainless steel cathode of the pool of cooling water remained 
transparent, at the same 40 C temperature. A sample of bubbly water, removed 
from the anode side, was tested for induced gamma radioactivity. No such 
radioactivity was found in it; the sample became transparent after 24 hours. 
Attempts to reproduce the long-term loss of cooling water transparency with 
other electrolytes, and under different electrical discharge conditions, were 
not successful. But the effect was highly reproducible when experimenting with 
the tungsten-anode electrolytic cell and the 7 M KF electrolyte containing 50

Re: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

2017-01-02 Thread Axil Axil 
LENR will be treated as any nuclear reactor and regulated heavily. Huge
Rossi reactors will end up being sited far from people in ITER like
reactors and difficult to maintain. In these facts, Rossi is misleading
people. No basement sited reactors can work. Rossi thinks he can solve
these problems with his reactors but he cannot.

Holmlid reports a high degree of ionization on the walls of his test gear
from the charged muons that his tests produce.

Me356 reports the same thing but alot worst.

Insights about this issue from famous LENR developer, ME356 as follows:

Emissions (RF, electrons and UV) during the test were so strong that my
control circuit was absolutely crazy even that it was 3 meters away - it is
unusable.

I am very sure that this behavior is real as it happened to me too. I use
analog pressure meter which cannot be damaged.

I am sure that the noise is extremely high as it affects computers and USB
peripherals 2 meters away.
Everything is contactless.

Also I have checked that SiC element is producing so intense EM field, that
my IR meter (that is reading data from TC) was unstable at 800W and more."

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 11:23 AM, <bobcook39...@gmail.com> wrote:

> George Egely’s item on transmutation by dust fusion reported sulfur from
> oxygen maybe.  See the current  issue of Infinite Energy.  A plasma is
> involved in the phenomena.
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net>
> *Sent: *Monday, January 2, 2017 7:16 AM
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting
>
>
>
> FWIW - the only strong evidence of muons in LENR comes from laser
> irradiation. (Holmlid, Winterberg)
>
> Laser irradiation produces so much more power in a short time frame than
> electrolysis, that the two are not comparable. Neither are related to
> biological transmutation (Kervran). It is a mistake to think that any of
> these are related.
>
> Thus both viewpoints expressed in this thread can be correct - cold fusion
> itself produces no muons, while laser irradiation of dense hydrogen does
> produce muons. The transmutation of oxygen to sulfur is different and goes
> back 150 years - well before Kervran in fact - see:
>
> http://bionutrient.org/library/reviews/biological-transmutations
>
> There is no evidence of muons in biological transmutation.
>
> Thus we have three very distinct classes of LENR already in this one
> situation, neglecting Ni-H and they all have significant proof:
>
> 1) biological (Kervran et al);
>
> 2) cold fusion (P); and
>
> 3) laser irradiation of dense hydrogen (Holmlid).
>
> I think it is a big mistake to try to explain these as being part of any
> single theory. However, there are connections between cold fusion of
> palladium/deuterium to nickel/hydrogen. Once a laser is employed however -
> all bets are off, even if the Letts/Cravens effect of low-powered lasers is
> closer to cold fusion than to Holmlid.
>
>
>
> Axil Axil wrote:
>
> Here is the link to the diagram that did not appear in the post above:
>
>
>
> https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.csam.
> montclair.edu%2F%7Ekowalski%2Fcf%2F341fig1.jpg=
> y8LKL4Hf4Ud13sQke0JURw=600=296
>
>
>
>
>
> The so called Erzion phenomenon was discovered in a series of
> electrolytic experiments marked by unexplained changes in a pool of cooling
> water outside of the catalytic cell. After 40 minutes of electrolytic cell
> operation, water on the tungsten anode side of the cooling vessel started
> losing its transparency.
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/MymFcb9U1Ck
>
> Strange that in this experiment showing the production of sulfur, the
> activity was at the anode. Could the Erzion actually be muons?
>
> Water on the stainless steel cathode of the pool of cooling water remained
> transparent, at the same 40 C temperature. A sample of bubbly water,
> removed from the anode side, was tested for induced gamma radioactivity. No
> such radioactivity was found in it; the sample became transparent after 24
> hours. Attempts to reproduce the long-term loss of cooling water
> transparency with other electrolytes, and under different electrical
> discharge conditions, were not successful. But the effect was highly
> reproducible when experimenting with the tungsten-anode electrolytic cell
> and the 7 M KF electrolyte containing 50% of heavy water.
>
> [image:
> https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.csam.montclair.edu%2F%7Ekowalski%2Fcf%2F341fig1.jpg=y8LKL4Hf4Ud13sQke0JURw=600=296]
>
> That cooling water on the outside of the electrolytic cell's glass reactor
> shell at the right side (see Figure 1) is close to the anode while cooling
> water on the left side is close to the cathod

RE: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

2017-01-02 Thread bobcook39923 
George Egely’s item on transmutation by dust fusion reported sulfur from oxygen 
maybe.  See the current  issue of Infinite Energy.  A plasma is involved in the 
phenomena.

Bob Cook


From: Jones Beene
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 7:16 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

FWIW - the only strong evidence of muons in LENR comes from laser irradiation. 
(Holmlid, Winterberg)
Laser irradiation produces so much more power in a short time frame than 
electrolysis, that the two are not comparable. Neither are related to 
biological transmutation (Kervran). It is a mistake to think that any of these 
are related.
Thus both viewpoints expressed in this thread can be correct - cold fusion 
itself produces no muons, while laser irradiation of dense hydrogen does 
produce muons. The transmutation of oxygen to sulfur is different and goes back 
150 years - well before Kervran in fact - see: 
http://bionutrient.org/library/reviews/biological-transmutations
There is no evidence of muons in biological transmutation.
Thus we have three very distinct classes of LENR already in this one situation, 
neglecting Ni-H and they all have significant proof: 
1) biological (Kervran et al); 
2) cold fusion (P); and 
3) laser irradiation of dense hydrogen (Holmlid). 
I think it is a big mistake to try to explain these as being part of any single 
theory. However, there are connections between cold fusion of 
palladium/deuterium to nickel/hydrogen. Once a laser is employed however - all 
bets are off, even if the Letts/Cravens effect of low-powered lasers is closer 
to cold fusion than to Holmlid. 

Axil Axil wrote:
Here is the link to the diagram that did not appear in the post above: 

https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.csam.montclair.edu%2F%7Ekowalski%2Fcf%2F341fig1.jpg=y8LKL4Hf4Ud13sQke0JURw=600=296


The so called Erzion phenomenon was discovered in a series of electrolytic 
experiments marked by unexplained changes in a pool of cooling water outside of 
the catalytic cell. After 40 minutes of electrolytic cell operation, water on 
the tungsten anode side of the cooling vessel started losing its transparency. 

https://youtu.be/MymFcb9U1Ck

Strange that in this experiment showing the production of sulfur, the activity 
was at the anode. Could the Erzion actually be muons?

Water on the stainless steel cathode of the pool of cooling water remained 
transparent, at the same 40 C temperature. A sample of bubbly water, removed 
from the anode side, was tested for induced gamma radioactivity. No such 
radioactivity was found in it; the sample became transparent after 24 hours. 
Attempts to reproduce the long-term loss of cooling water transparency with 
other electrolytes, and under different electrical discharge conditions, were 
not successful. But the effect was highly reproducible when experimenting with 
the tungsten-anode electrolytic cell and the 7 M KF electrolyte containing 50% 
of heavy water.



That cooling water on the outside of the electrolytic cell's glass reactor 
shell at the right side (see Figure 1) is close to the anode while cooling 
water on the left side is close to the cathode. The disappearance of bubbles, 
after the electrolysis, was very slow (half-life of about 10 hrs). Attempts to 
explain the phenomenon in terms of cavitation, and other ultrasonic effects, 
were not successful. The only satisfactory explanation was possible within the 
framework of the erzion model. Authors believe that bubbles are produced 
through the action of neutral Erzions.

The Erzons phenomenon behavior is consistent with the magnetic based Exotic 
Neutral Particle(ENP). To begin with, the glass container is transparent to the 
magnetically based ENPs both optically and magnetically. The LENR reaction that 
keeps the ENPs viable produce the vapor that forms the water bubbles. The ENPs 
become energetically self sufficient in the water of the cooling pool where the 
ENPs remain viable for hours.

If the Erzons phenomenon is produced by magnetically based ENPs, an iron plate 
placed just on the outside of the glass wall adjacent to the anode would 
prevent the ENPs from exiting the glass electrolytic cell. With the ENPs 
blocked from travel, bubble production would be eliminated.

The Erzons could be some form of exotic hydrogen such as ultra dense hydrogen 
or maybe micro ball lightning. The hydrogen bubbles could be the product of a 
muon catalyzed reaction with water.

Whatever is going on at the anode, it looks like it is happening in a reliable 
way. Experimenters might find some way to track this mischugenon process down. 
I for one would love to read about the detective process that makes the 
identification of this mischugenon process down in Russ's blog.

Jed Rothwell wrote:
Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
When LENR really gets going full blast and gigawatts are generated in cars, 
trains, planes, boats, houses, everywhere in everything, the muon loading wil

RE: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

2017-01-02 Thread bobcook39923 
Axil—

You sound like a fear monger.  I don’t think the Sun Cell makes muons.

Try heavy-heavy water (hydrino type water)or merely gastro intestinal blockage. 
 That will get the attention of the old folks.

Bob Cook



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Jones Beene
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 7:16 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

FWIW - the only strong evidence of muons in LENR comes from laser irradiation. 
(Holmlid, Winterberg)
Laser irradiation produces so much more power in a short time frame than 
electrolysis, that the two are not comparable. Neither are related to 
biological transmutation (Kervran). It is a mistake to think that any of these 
are related.
Thus both viewpoints expressed in this thread can be correct - cold fusion 
itself produces no muons, while laser irradiation of dense hydrogen does 
produce muons. The transmutation of oxygen to sulfur is different and goes back 
150 years - well before Kervran in fact - see: 
http://bionutrient.org/library/reviews/biological-transmutations
There is no evidence of muons in biological transmutation.
Thus we have three very distinct classes of LENR already in this one situation, 
neglecting Ni-H and they all have significant proof: 
1) biological (Kervran et al); 
2) cold fusion (P); and 
3) laser irradiation of dense hydrogen (Holmlid). 
I think it is a big mistake to try to explain these as being part of any single 
theory. However, there are connections between cold fusion of 
palladium/deuterium to nickel/hydrogen. Once a laser is employed however - all 
bets are off, even if the Letts/Cravens effect of low-powered lasers is closer 
to cold fusion than to Holmlid. 

Axil Axil wrote:
Here is the link to the diagram that did not appear in the post above: 

https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.csam.montclair.edu%2F%7Ekowalski%2Fcf%2F341fig1.jpg=y8LKL4Hf4Ud13sQke0JURw=600=296


The so called Erzion phenomenon was discovered in a series of electrolytic 
experiments marked by unexplained changes in a pool of cooling water outside of 
the catalytic cell. After 40 minutes of electrolytic cell operation, water on 
the tungsten anode side of the cooling vessel started losing its transparency. 

https://youtu.be/MymFcb9U1Ck

Strange that in this experiment showing the production of sulfur, the activity 
was at the anode. Could the Erzion actually be muons?

Water on the stainless steel cathode of the pool of cooling water remained 
transparent, at the same 40 C temperature. A sample of bubbly water, removed 
from the anode side, was tested for induced gamma radioactivity. No such 
radioactivity was found in it; the sample became transparent after 24 hours. 
Attempts to reproduce the long-term loss of cooling water transparency with 
other electrolytes, and under different electrical discharge conditions, were 
not successful. But the effect was highly reproducible when experimenting with 
the tungsten-anode electrolytic cell and the 7 M KF electrolyte containing 50% 
of heavy water.



That cooling water on the outside of the electrolytic cell's glass reactor 
shell at the right side (see Figure 1) is close to the anode while cooling 
water on the left side is close to the cathode. The disappearance of bubbles, 
after the electrolysis, was very slow (half-life of about 10 hrs). Attempts to 
explain the phenomenon in terms of cavitation, and other ultrasonic effects, 
were not successful. The only satisfactory explanation was possible within the 
framework of the erzion model. Authors believe that bubbles are produced 
through the action of neutral Erzions.

The Erzons phenomenon behavior is consistent with the magnetic based Exotic 
Neutral Particle(ENP). To begin with, the glass container is transparent to the 
magnetically based ENPs both optically and magnetically. The LENR reaction that 
keeps the ENPs viable produce the vapor that forms the water bubbles. The ENPs 
become energetically self sufficient in the water of the cooling pool where the 
ENPs remain viable for hours.

If the Erzons phenomenon is produced by magnetically based ENPs, an iron plate 
placed just on the outside of the glass wall adjacent to the anode would 
prevent the ENPs from exiting the glass electrolytic cell. With the ENPs 
blocked from travel, bubble production would be eliminated.

The Erzons could be some form of exotic hydrogen such as ultra dense hydrogen 
or maybe micro ball lightning. The hydrogen bubbles could be the product of a 
muon catalyzed reaction with water.

Whatever is going on at the anode, it looks like it is happening in a reliable 
way. Experimenters might find some way to track this mischugenon process down. 
I for one would love to read about the detective process that makes the 
identification of this mischugenon process down in Russ's blog.

Jed Rothwell wrote:
Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
When LENR really gets going full blast and gigawatts are generated in cars, 
trains, planes,

RE: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

2017-01-02 Thread bobcook39923 
Axil—

It is more likely muon catalyzed fusion of two oxygen nuclei—the appearance of 
sulfur that is.  Or it may be a low output Sun Cell with hydrino’s clouding the 
water and eventually settling out.

Bob Cook

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Axil Axil
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2017 10:21 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

The so called Erzion phenomenon was discovered in a series of electrolytic 
experiments marked by unexplained changes in a pool of cooling water outside of 
the catalytic cell. After 40 minutes of electrolytic cell operation, water on 
the tungsten anode side of the cooling vessel started losing its transparency.

https://youtu.be/MymFcb9U1Ck

Strange that in this experiment showing the production of sulfur, the activity 
was at the anode. Could the Erzion actually be muons?

Water on the stainless steel cathode of the pool of cooling water remained 
transparent, at the same 40 C temperature. A sample of bubbly water, removed 
from the anode side, was tested for induced gamma radioactivity. No such 
radioactivity was found in it; the sample became transparent after 24 hours. 
Attempts to reproduce the long-term loss of cooling water transparency with 
other electrolytes, and under different electrical discharge conditions, were 
not successful. But the effect was highly reproducible when experimenting with 
the tungsten-anode electrolytic cell and the 7 M KF electrolyte containing 50% 
of heavy water.



That cooling water on the outside of the electrolytic cell's glass reactor 
shell at the right side (see Figure 1) is close to the anode while cooling 
water on the left side is close to the cathode. The disappearance of bubbles, 
after the electrolysis, was very slow (half-life of about 10 hrs). Attempts to 
explain the phenomenon in terms of cavitation, and other ultrasonic effects, 
were not successful. The only satisfactory explanation was possible within the 
framework of the erzion model. Authors believe that bubbles are produced 
through the action of neutral Erzions.

The Erzons phenomenon behavior is consistent with the magnetic based Exotic 
Neutral Particle(ENP). To begin with, the glass container is transparent to the 
magnetically based ENPs both optically and magnetically. The LENR reaction that 
keeps the ENPs viable produce the vapor that forms the water bubbles. The ENPs 
become energetically self sufficient in the water of the cooling pool where the 
ENPs remain viable for hours.

If the Erzons phenomenon is produced by magnetically based ENPs, an iron plate 
placed just on the outside of the glass wall adjacent to the anode would 
prevent the ENPs from exiting the glass electrolytic cell. With the ENPs 
blocked from travel, bubble production would be eliminated.

The Erzons could be some form of exotic hydrogen such as ultra dense hydrogen 
or maybe micro ball lightning. The hydrogen bubbles could be the product of a 
muon catalyzed reaction with water.

Whatever is going on at the anode, it looks like it is happening in a reliable 
way. Experimenters might find some way to track this mischugenon process down. 
I for one would love to read about the detective process that makes the 
identification of this mischugenon process down in Russ's blog.

On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote:
Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
When LENR really gets going full blast and gigawatts are generated in cars, 
trains, planes, boats, houses, everywhere in everything, the muon loading will 
get into the terawatt levels. Muons flowing down the streets will be so thick, 
you can cut them with a knife. And muons are a bitch to shield against. 

Cold fusion has been run at over 100 W for three months, continuously. I 
believe that if there were dangerous levels of muons, as you describe, they 
would have caused harm, and they would have been detected. There is no sign of 
them. People worked with these unshielded cells every day. So I expect you are 
wrong about this. No theorist has said anything about muons being produced by 
cold fusion in any paper I know of, and I know of all the papers. I have 
searched for the term "muon" and found nothing, other than the well-known 1989 
discussions of muon-catalyzed fusion.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

2017-01-02 Thread Jones Beene 
FWIW - the only strong evidence of muons in LENR comes from laser 
irradiation. (Holmlid, Winterberg)


Laser irradiation produces so much more power in a short time frame than 
electrolysis, that the two are not comparable. Neither are related to 
biological transmutation (Kervran). It is a mistake to think that any of 
these are related.


Thus both viewpoints expressed in this thread can be correct - cold 
fusion itself produces no muons, while laser irradiation of dense 
hydrogen does produce muons. The transmutation of oxygen to sulfur is 
different and goes back 150 years - well before Kervran in fact - see:


http://bionutrient.org/library/reviews/biological-transmutations

There is no evidence of muons in biological transmutation.

Thus we have three very distinct classes of LENR already in this one 
situation, neglecting Ni-H and they all have significant proof:


1) biological (Kervran et al);

2) cold fusion (P); and

3) laser irradiation of dense hydrogen (Holmlid).

I think it is a big mistake to try to explain these as being part of any 
single theory. However, there are connections between cold fusion of 
palladium/deuterium to nickel/hydrogen. Once a laser is employed however 
- all bets are off, even if the Letts/Cravens effect of low-powered 
lasers is closer to cold fusion than to Holmlid.



Axil Axil wrote:

Here is the link to the diagram that did not appear in the post above:

https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.csam.montclair.edu%2F%7Ekowalski%2Fcf%2F341fig1.jpg=y8LKL4Hf4Ud13sQke0JURw=600=296


The so called Erzion phenomenon was discovered in a series of
electrolytic experiments marked by unexplained changes in a pool
of cooling water outside of the catalytic cell. After 40 minutes
of electrolytic cell operation, water on the tungsten anode side
of the cooling vessel started losing its transparency.

https://youtu.be/MymFcb9U1Ck

Strange that in this experiment showing the production of sulfur,
the activity was at the anode. Could the Erzion actually be muons?

Water on the stainless steel cathode of the pool of cooling water
remained transparent, at the same 40 C temperature. A sample of
bubbly water, removed from the anode side, was tested for induced
gamma radioactivity. No such radioactivity was found in it; the
sample became transparent after 24 hours. Attempts to reproduce
the long-term loss of cooling water transparency with other
electrolytes, and under different electrical discharge conditions,
were not successful. But the effect was highly reproducible when
experimenting with the tungsten-anode electrolytic cell and the 7
M KF electrolyte containing 50% of heavy water.



That cooling water on the outside of the electrolytic cell's glass
reactor shell at the right side (see Figure 1) is close to the
anode while cooling water on the left side is close to the
cathode. The disappearance of bubbles, after the electrolysis, was
very slow (half-life of about 10 hrs). Attempts to explain the
phenomenon in terms of cavitation, and other ultrasonic effects,
were not successful. The only satisfactory explanation was
possible within the framework of the erzion model. Authors believe
that bubbles are produced through the action of neutral Erzions.

The Erzons phenomenon behavior is consistent with the magnetic
based Exotic Neutral Particle(ENP). To begin with, the glass
container is transparent to the magnetically based ENPs both
optically and magnetically. The LENR reaction that keeps the ENPs
viable produce the vapor that forms the water bubbles. The ENPs
become energetically self sufficient in the water of the cooling
pool where the ENPs remain viable for hours.

If the Erzons phenomenon is produced by magnetically based ENPs,
an iron plate placed just on the outside of the glass wall
adjacent to the anode would prevent the ENPs from exiting the
glass electrolytic cell. With the ENPs blocked from travel, bubble
production would be eliminated.

The Erzons could be some form of exotic hydrogen such as ultra
dense hydrogen or maybe micro ball lightning. The hydrogen
bubbles could be the product of a muon catalyzed reaction with water.

Whatever is going on at the anode, it looks like it is
happening in a reliable way. Experimenters might find some way to
track this mischugenon process down. I for one would love to read
about the detective process that makes the identification of this
mischugenon process down in Russ's blog.

Jed Rothwellwrote:

Axil Axil > wrote:

When LENR really gets going full blast and gigawatts are
generated in cars, trains, planes, boats, houses,
everywhere in everything, the muon loading will get into
the terawatt levels. Muons flowing down the streets

Re: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

2017-01-01 Thread Axil Axil 
Here is the link to the diagram that did not appear in the post above:

https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.csam.montclair.edu%2F%7Ekowalski%2Fcf%2F341fig1.jpg=y8LKL4Hf4Ud13sQke0JURw=600=296



On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 1:21 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> The so called Erzion phenomenon was discovered in a series of
> electrolytic experiments marked by unexplained changes in a pool of cooling
> water outside of the catalytic cell. After 40 minutes of electrolytic cell
> operation, water on the tungsten anode side of the cooling vessel started
> losing its transparency.
>
> https://youtu.be/MymFcb9U1Ck
>
> Strange that in this experiment showing the production of sulfur, the
> activity was at the anode. Could the Erzion actually be muons?
>
> Water on the stainless steel cathode of the pool of cooling water remained
> transparent, at the same 40 C temperature. A sample of bubbly water,
> removed from the anode side, was tested for induced gamma radioactivity. No
> such radioactivity was found in it; the sample became transparent after 24
> hours. Attempts to reproduce the long-term loss of cooling water
> transparency with other electrolytes, and under different electrical
> discharge conditions, were not successful. But the effect was highly
> reproducible when experimenting with the tungsten-anode electrolytic cell
> and the 7 M KF electrolyte containing 50% of heavy water.
>
>
>
> That cooling water on the outside of the electrolytic cell's glass reactor
> shell at the right side (see Figure 1) is close to the anode while cooling
> water on the left side is close to the cathode. The disappearance of
> bubbles, after the electrolysis, was very slow (half-life of about 10 hrs).
> Attempts to explain the phenomenon in terms of cavitation, and other
> ultrasonic effects, were not successful. The only satisfactory explanation
> was possible within the framework of the erzion model. Authors believe
> that bubbles are produced through the action of neutral Erzions.
>
> The Erzons phenomenon behavior is consistent with the magnetic based
> Exotic Neutral Particle(ENP). To begin with, the glass container is
> transparent to the magnetically based ENPs both optically and magnetically.
> The LENR reaction that keeps the ENPs viable produce the vapor that forms
> the water bubbles. The ENPs become energetically self sufficient in the
> water of the cooling pool where the ENPs remain viable for hours.
>
> If the Erzons phenomenon is produced by magnetically based ENPs, an iron
> plate placed just on the outside of the glass wall adjacent to the anode
> would prevent the ENPs from exiting the glass electrolytic cell. With the
> ENPs blocked from travel, bubble production would be eliminated.
>
> The Erzons could be some form of exotic hydrogen such as ultra
> dense hydrogen or maybe micro ball lightning. The hydrogen bubbles could be
> the product of a muon catalyzed reaction with water.
>
> Whatever is going on at the anode, it looks like it is happening in a
> reliable way. Experimenters might find some way to track this mischugenon
> process down. I for one would love to read about the detective process that
> makes the identification of this mischugenon process down in Russ's blog.
>
> On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> Axil Axil  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> When LENR really gets going full blast and gigawatts are generated in
>>> cars, trains, planes, boats, houses, everywhere in everything, the muon
>>> loading will get into the terawatt levels. Muons flowing down the streets
>>> will be so thick, you can cut them with a knife. And muons are a bitch to
>>> shield against.
>>>
>>
>> Cold fusion has been run at over 100 W for three months, continuously. I
>> believe that if there were dangerous levels of muons, as you describe, they
>> would have caused harm, and they would have been detected. There is no sign
>> of them. People worked with these unshielded cells every day. So I expect
>> you are wrong about this. No theorist has said anything about muons being
>> produced by cold fusion in any paper I know of, and I know of all the
>> papers. I have searched for the term "muon" and found nothing, other than
>> the well-known 1989 discussions of muon-catalyzed fusion.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

2017-01-01 Thread Axil Axil 
The so called Erzion phenomenon was discovered in a series of electrolytic
experiments marked by unexplained changes in a pool of cooling water
outside of the catalytic cell. After 40 minutes of electrolytic cell
operation, water on the tungsten anode side of the cooling vessel started
losing its transparency.

https://youtu.be/MymFcb9U1Ck

Strange that in this experiment showing the production of sulfur, the
activity was at the anode. Could the Erzion actually be muons?

Water on the stainless steel cathode of the pool of cooling water remained
transparent, at the same 40 C temperature. A sample of bubbly water,
removed from the anode side, was tested for induced gamma radioactivity. No
such radioactivity was found in it; the sample became transparent after 24
hours. Attempts to reproduce the long-term loss of cooling water
transparency with other electrolytes, and under different electrical
discharge conditions, were not successful. But the effect was highly
reproducible when experimenting with the tungsten-anode electrolytic cell
and the 7 M KF electrolyte containing 50% of heavy water.



That cooling water on the outside of the electrolytic cell's glass reactor
shell at the right side (see Figure 1) is close to the anode while cooling
water on the left side is close to the cathode. The disappearance of
bubbles, after the electrolysis, was very slow (half-life of about 10 hrs).
Attempts to explain the phenomenon in terms of cavitation, and other
ultrasonic effects, were not successful. The only satisfactory explanation
was possible within the framework of the erzion model. Authors believe that
bubbles are produced through the action of neutral Erzions.

The Erzons phenomenon behavior is consistent with the magnetic based Exotic
Neutral Particle(ENP). To begin with, the glass container is transparent to
the magnetically based ENPs both optically and magnetically. The LENR
reaction that keeps the ENPs viable produce the vapor that forms the water
bubbles. The ENPs become energetically self sufficient in the water of the
cooling pool where the ENPs remain viable for hours.

If the Erzons phenomenon is produced by magnetically based ENPs, an iron
plate placed just on the outside of the glass wall adjacent to the anode
would prevent the ENPs from exiting the glass electrolytic cell. With the
ENPs blocked from travel, bubble production would be eliminated.

The Erzons could be some form of exotic hydrogen such as ultra
dense hydrogen or maybe micro ball lightning. The hydrogen bubbles could be
the product of a muon catalyzed reaction with water.

Whatever is going on at the anode, it looks like it is happening in a
reliable way. Experimenters might find some way to track this mischugenon
process down. I for one would love to read about the detective process that
makes the identification of this mischugenon process down in Russ's blog.

On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 10:22 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>
>> When LENR really gets going full blast and gigawatts are generated in
>> cars, trains, planes, boats, houses, everywhere in everything, the muon
>> loading will get into the terawatt levels. Muons flowing down the streets
>> will be so thick, you can cut them with a knife. And muons are a bitch to
>> shield against.
>>
>
> Cold fusion has been run at over 100 W for three months, continuously. I
> believe that if there were dangerous levels of muons, as you describe, they
> would have caused harm, and they would have been detected. There is no sign
> of them. People worked with these unshielded cells every day. So I expect
> you are wrong about this. No theorist has said anything about muons being
> produced by cold fusion in any paper I know of, and I know of all the
> papers. I have searched for the term "muon" and found nothing, other than
> the well-known 1989 discussions of muon-catalyzed fusion.
>
> - Jed
>
>

RE: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

2017-01-01 Thread Russ George 
It is a doubtful verging on histrionic notion that cold fusion ‘muons’ will be 
an issue, the observational evidence by those with data clearly does not 
support such hypothesized fears. Clearly the emission/numbers properties of 
cold fusion are both very much less than conventional physics might suggest and 
further the emissions are at the very least ‘strange’ and not at all typical 
muons, rather being mysterious mischugenons.

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2017 5:17 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

 

Perfection can only be realized in heaven, there is always a fly in the 
ointment. IMHO, LENR produces muons. A few muons does not hurt anything. A few 
muons is like a flight across the country in a high flying jet, One cross 
country air trip is not impactful, nothing to think about, but if you spend 
much of your time in the clouds, you might get yourself into trouble.

 

When LENR really gets going full blast and gigawatts are generated in cars, 
trains, planes, boats, houses, everywhere in everything, the muon loading will 
get into the terawatt levels. Muons flowing down the streets will be so thick, 
you can cut them with a knife. And muons are a bitch to shield against. 

 

LENR might need to be confined inside a leakproof  magnetic bottle inside huge 
ITER like reactors to protect the environment from ubiquitous muons. Like CO2, 
muons will need to be sequestered. Moderation in all things except energy 
production. If moderation is not in the plans, then shielding is a must.

 

 

 

On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com 
<mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

New Year for clean new energy will surprise you. Decades of old fossil 
'gaslighting' goes dark in a brilliant 'cold fusion' flash as reported on CNN!  
http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2017/01/01/2017-the-end-of-the-beginning-energy-breakout/

Re: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

2017-01-01 Thread Jed Rothwell 
Axil Axil  wrote:


> When LENR really gets going full blast and gigawatts are generated in
> cars, trains, planes, boats, houses, everywhere in everything, the muon
> loading will get into the terawatt levels. Muons flowing down the streets
> will be so thick, you can cut them with a knife. And muons are a bitch to
> shield against.
>

Cold fusion has been run at over 100 W for three months, continuously. I
believe that if there were dangerous levels of muons, as you describe, they
would have caused harm, and they would have been detected. There is no sign
of them. People worked with these unshielded cells every day. So I expect
you are wrong about this. No theorist has said anything about muons being
produced by cold fusion in any paper I know of, and I know of all the
papers. I have searched for the term "muon" and found nothing, other than
the well-known 1989 discussions of muon-catalyzed fusion.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting

2017-01-01 Thread Axil Axil 
Perfection can only be realized in heaven, there is always a fly in the
ointment. IMHO, LENR produces muons. A few muons does not hurt anything. A
few muons is like a flight across the country in a high flying jet, One
cross country air trip is not impactful, nothing to think about, but if you
spend much of your time in the clouds, you might get yourself into trouble.

When LENR really gets going full blast and gigawatts are generated in cars,
trains, planes, boats, houses, everywhere in everything, the muon loading
will get into the terawatt levels. Muons flowing down the streets will be
so thick, you can cut them with a knife. And muons are a bitch to shield
against.

LENR might need to be confined inside a leakproof  magnetic bottle inside
huge ITER like reactors to protect the environment from ubiquitous muons.
Like CO2, muons will need to be sequestered. Moderation in all things
except energy production. If moderation is not in the plans, then shielding
is a must.



On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Russ George  wrote:

> New Year for clean new energy will surprise you. Decades of old fossil
> 'gaslighting' goes dark in a brilliant 'cold fusion' flash as reported on
> CNN!  http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2017/01/01/
> 2017-the-end-of-the-beginning-energy-breakout/
>