subject:"RE\: \[Vo\]\:Resonant photons for CNT ring current"

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 

 

http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/
2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf

 

Thanks for posting that reference.  And I might draw your attention to my
posting a few mins ago. Of Metronomes and Molecules... Once again, we find
ourselves bumping into each other down in this rabbit hole.  ;-)

Yes, looks like there is an emergent meme within the vortices of cyberspace
which we are tuned into this week . another angle on the metronome effect
would a new kind of phonon cooling (as in laser cooling). 

BTW - if in a nanotube experiment - there does exist a virtual rabbit hole
for virtual cooling in which bosons at high temperature can condense, then
the inside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A Cooper pair of
electrons is a composite boson. 

Thus there could be a hybrid or two step regime for LENR which is based on
electron acceleration, via CNT entrapment. (not to mention other
possibilities).

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

Jones--

Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of 
radiation is produced in the SPP  phenomena.

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jones Beene 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:20 AM
  Subject: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

  From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 

http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf

  Thanks for posting that reference.  And I might draw your attention to my 
posting a few mins ago. Of Metronomes and Molecules... Once again, we find 
ourselves bumping into each other down in this rabbit hole.  ;-)

  Yes, looks like there is an emergent meme within the vortices of cyberspace 
which we are tuned into this week . another angle on the metronome effect would 
a new kind of phonon cooling (as in laser cooling). 

  BTW - if in a nanotube experiment - there does exist a virtual rabbit hole 
for virtual cooling in which bosons at high temperature can condense, then 
the inside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A Cooper pair of 
electrons is a composite boson. 

  Thus there could be a hybrid or two step regime for LENR which is based on 
electron acceleration, via CNT entrapment. (not to mention other possibilities).

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

2014-03-04 Thread David Roberson

Jones, are you suggesting that particles inside a CNT can exist at a lower 
temperature than those outside?  That is an interesting question.  I would 
initially think that this would violate thermodynamic laws, but strange things 
do happen.   Have you seen any reference to this type of behavior and how would 
it be measured?

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 10:20 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current




From:MarkI-ZeroPoint 
 
http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf

 
Thanks for posting that reference.  And I might draw yourattention to my 
posting a few mins ago… “Of Metronomes andMolecules...” Once again, we find 
ourselves bumpinginto each other down in this rabbit hole…  ;-)

Yes, looks like there is anemergent meme within the vortices of cyberspace 
which we are tuned into thisweek … another angle on the metronome effect would 
a new kind of phononcooling (as in laser cooling). 
BTW – if in a nanotubeexperiment - there does exist a “virtual rabbit hole” for 
“virtualcooling” in which bosons at high temperature can condense, then 
theinside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A Cooper pair of electrons 
isa composite boson. 
Thus there could be a hybrid ortwo step regime for LENR which is based on 
electron acceleration, via CNTentrapment. (not to mention other possibilities).

RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

 

From: David Roberson 

 

Jones, are you suggesting that particles inside a CNT can exist at a lower 
temperature than those outside?  That is an interesting question.  I would 
initially think that this would violate thermodynamic laws, but strange things 
do happen.   Have you seen any reference to this type of behavior and how would 
it be measured?

Dave

 

An argument can be made of a temperature differential inside vs outside. Check 
this out

 

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.1328.pdf

 

I am still looking for a paper more on point. And more extreme.

RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

 

Guys,

 

With nanotubes and QM - an argument can be made of a significantly large 
temperature differential inside vs outside CNT, but the minimum size is 
important. 

 

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.1328.pdf

 

Quote: “The behavior of water inside the smallest (6,6) CNT notably differs 
from that in larger tubes. Below the phase transition temperature water 
confined within the (6,6) CNT forms an ice-like single file structure.” END

 

Apparently as much as 250K difference can be seen in the small diameter tubes 
indicating a QM effect. 

 

In principal, then it is not out of the question that Cooper pairs of electrons 
could from inside magnetized tubes (6,6) CNT and then be accelerated by tube 
vibrational resonance. You want the tube as hot as possible but not too hot. 
(the goldilocks rule)

 

If the tube was held at around 250 K, which any good refrigerator can hit, this 
could happen. This is not cold fusion but an extremely cold cathode effect. 

 

In fact, in such a case – the “Edison effect” of cathode emission would serve 
to further cool the tubes, setting up a positive feedback situation.

 

Maybe Rossi’s “mouse” can be improved as a chilled mousse of CNT:-)

RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

 

From: Bob Cook 

 

Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of
radiation is produced in the SPP  phenomena.

 

Whoa. SPP can produce a radiation power density 100 megawatts per cm^2? Is
that a typo?

 

That is quite a shock, in more ways than one .g even if the authors had
somehow missed it by a factor of 100. the only question we should be asking
ourselves is: why isn't everyone in LENR jumping on implementing SPP into
their experiments ?

 

Perhaps the reputation of the Terahertz Research Center, School of Physical
Electronics, University of Electronic Science and Technology of China is not
considered by some to be credible?

 

No. methinks the core problem is plain old inertia and smugness. of the
First World variety. 

 

BTW - in terms of education, most of the authors of this paper were probably
educated here. The State Dept says that of the 1,777 physics doctorates
awarded in 2011, a typical year, over a third 743 went to temporary visa
holders - most of whom come from Asia. That should come as no surprise to
anyone walking around the top University physics departments. 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 

 

http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/
2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf

 

Thanks for posting that reference.  And I might draw your attention to my
posting a few mins ago. Of Metronomes and Molecules... Once again, we find
ourselves bumping into each other down in this rabbit hole.  ;-)

Yes, looks like there is an emergent meme within the vortices of cyberspace
which we are tuned into this week . another angle on the metronome effect
would a new kind of phonon cooling (as in laser cooling). 

BTW - if in a nanotube experiment - there does exist a virtual rabbit hole
for virtual cooling in which bosons at high temperature can condense, then
the inside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A Cooper pair of
electrons is a composite boson. 

Thus there could be a hybrid or two step regime for LENR which is based on
electron acceleration, via CNT entrapment. (not to mention other
possibilities).

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

2014-03-04 Thread Kevin O'Malley

Sure sounds like a Luttinger Liquid to me.  But in this case, rather than
the liquid forming out of gas state, it is a solid forming out of liquid
state.  Either way, it points to a large, localized, single-file effect of
lower-than-anticipated temperature.  Such a state favors the formation of a
BEC.  What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein
Condensate , the V1DLLBEC.

One big problem with any BEC theory is that One experimental fact is that
the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature.
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory

So maybe the BEC formation is just the initiator of some 2nd stage, more
coherent LENR reaction.  Evidence for this would be:  When Celani measured
Gamma rays at Rossi's demo, it only occurred during the startup phase.
Also, the same thing seems to be happening at MFMP, it seems to only happen
during startup.  My proposal for how this happens is that H1 monoatomic gas
is adsorbed into the lattice and recombines into H2 gas, and this is an
endothermic reaction.  That is what sets up temperatures cold enough for
the formation of a BEC or V1DLLBEC.

My instinct tells me that the 2nd stage LENR reaction is Reversible Proton
Fusion (RPF) because it is by far the most abundantly occurring fusion in
nature.  Basically, we set up the conditions where fusion occurred with a
BEC, and then once the physical system sees fusion occurring, Nature wants
to see RPF taking place.





On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:



 http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.1328.pdf



 Quote: The behavior of water inside the smallest (6,6) CNT notably
 differs from that in larger tubes. Below the phase transition temperature
 water confined within the (6,6) CNT forms an ice-like single file
 structure. END



 Apparently as much as 250K difference can be seen in the small diameter
 tubes indicating a QM effect.

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

100 megawatts per cm^2 is only 10^8 watts per Cm^2. I have seen in research
papers and have posted about 10^15 watts per cm^2 maximum seen in
nanoplasmonic research.

I suspect that 10^20 watts per cm^2 is produced inside the Ni/H reactor
because of the optimized nanoparticle configurations used.

This will produce a magnetic field at 10^16 tesla.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

*From:* Bob Cook

Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of
radiation is produced in the SPP phenomena.

Whoa. SPP can produce a radiation power density 100 megawatts per cm^2? Is
that a typo?

That is quite a shock, in more ways than one ...g even if the authors had
somehow missed it by a factor of 100... the only question we should be asking
ourselves is: why isn't everyone in LENR jumping on implementing SPP into
their experiments ?

Perhaps the reputation of the Terahertz Research Center, School of
Physical Electronics, University of Electronic Science and Technology of
China is not considered by some to be credible?

No... methinks the core problem is plain old inertia and smugness... of the
First World variety...

BTW - in terms of education, most of the authors of this paper were
probably educated here. The State Dept says that of the 1,777 physics
doctorates awarded in 2011, a typical year, over a third 743 went to
temporary visa holders - most of whom come from Asia. That should come as
no surprise to anyone walking around the top University physics departments.

*From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint

http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf

Thanks for posting that reference. And I might draw your attention to my
posting a few mins ago... Of Metronomes and Molecules... Once again, we
find ourselves bumping into each other down in this rabbit hole... ;-)

Yes, looks like there is an emergent meme within the vortices of
cyberspace which we are tuned into this week ... another angle on the
metronome effect would a new kind of phonon cooling (as in laser cooling).

BTW - if in a nanotube experiment - there does exist a virtual rabbit
hole for virtual cooling in which bosons at high temperature can
condense, then the inside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A
Cooper pair of electrons is a composite boson.

Thus there could be a hybrid or two step regime for LENR which is based on
electron acceleration, via CNT entrapment. (not to mention other
possibilities).

RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

From: Kevin O'Malley 

 

What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein
Condensate , the V1DLLBEC.

 

We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids.

 

One big problem with any BEC theory is that One experimental fact is that
the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature.  
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory

Well that detail (reaction rate generally increasing with temperature) would
only be true of one (or a few) kinds of LENR and not every possible kind. 

In fact there could be 3-4 distinct kinds of BEC-LENR as a subset of LENR
(which have been mentioned in the literature) and all four could be
different in the details. 

One or two of these varieties could be temperature limited. In fact the
temperature limited variety could be the easiest to prove, and if the output
can be engineered to be photon emission in the visible range, it would
possibly be valuable for alternative energy.

Jones

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

The maximum temperature at which a BEC is sustained is directly related to
the mass of the particle being condensed .

A SPP is almost massless (lighter than a neutrino) which implies a very
high maximum temperature of condensation.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

   *From:* Kevin O'Malley



 What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein
 Condensate , the V1DLLBEC.



 We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids.



 One big problem with any BEC theory is that One experimental fact is that
 the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature.
 http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory

 Well that detail (reaction rate generally increasing with temperature)
 would only be true of one (or a few) kinds of LENR and not every possible
 kind.

 In fact there could be 3-4 distinct kinds of BEC-LENR as a subset of LENR
 (which have been mentioned in the literature) and all four could be
 different in the details.

 One or two of these varieties could be temperature limited. In fact the
 temperature limited variety could be the easiest to prove, and if the
 output can be engineered to be photon emission in the visible range, it
 would possibly be valuable for alternative energy.

 Jones

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

more,,,

In Bose-Einstein states the quantum concentration Nq (particles per volume)
is proportional to the total mass M of the system:

Nq=(MkT/2πℏ2)3/2
where k Boltzmann constant, T temperature


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 The maximum temperature at which a BEC is sustained is directly related to
 the mass of the particle being condensed .

 A SPP is almost massless (lighter than a neutrino) which implies a very
 high maximum temperature of condensation.


 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

   *From:* Kevin O'Malley



 What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein
 Condensate , the V1DLLBEC.



 We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids.



 One big problem with any BEC theory is that One experimental fact is
 that the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature.
 http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory

 Well that detail (reaction rate generally increasing with temperature)
 would only be true of one (or a few) kinds of LENR and not every possible
 kind.

 In fact there could be 3-4 distinct kinds of BEC-LENR as a subset of LENR
 (which have been mentioned in the literature) and all four could be
 different in the details.

 One or two of these varieties could be temperature limited. In fact the
 temperature limited variety could be the easiest to prove, and if the
 output can be engineered to be photon emission in the visible range, it
 would possibly be valuable for alternative energy.

 Jones

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

states should read statistics.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 more,,,

 In Bose-Einstein states the quantum concentration Nq (particles per
 volume) is proportional to the total mass M of the system:

 Nq=(MkT/2πℏ2)3/2
 where k Boltzmann constant, T temperature



 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 The maximum temperature at which a BEC is sustained is directly related
 to the mass of the particle being condensed .

 A SPP is almost massless (lighter than a neutrino) which implies a very
 high maximum temperature of condensation.


 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

   *From:* Kevin O'Malley



 What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein
 Condensate , the V1DLLBEC.



 We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids.



 One big problem with any BEC theory is that One experimental fact is
 that the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature.
 http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory

 Well that detail (reaction rate generally increasing with temperature)
 would only be true of one (or a few) kinds of LENR and not every possible
 kind.

 In fact there could be 3-4 distinct kinds of BEC-LENR as a subset of
 LENR (which have been mentioned in the literature) and all four could be
 different in the details.

 One or two of these varieties could be temperature limited. In fact the
 temperature limited variety could be the easiest to prove, and if the
 output can be engineered to be photon emission in the visible range, it
 would possibly be valuable for alternative energy.

 Jones

RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luttinger_liquid

 

This is almost exactly on-target for what we have been talking about in the
aftermath of the Cooper/Seldon patent disclosure. 

 

QUOTE: Among the physical systems believed to be described by the Luttinger
model are:

 

1)artificial 'quantum wires' (one-dimensional strips of electrons

2)electrons in carbon nanotubes

 

A shortened name that comes to mind - at least for the electron variety is
LEC or Luttinger electron condensate.

 

In an experiment which is similar to the Seldon patent application, but
different, we could prepare a colloid of (6,6) CNT in plain water, possibly
with a potassium electrolyte, and freeze that water in a modest magnetic
field. 

 

If - on receiving a coherent light pulse from a sodium vapor lamp, a strong
fluorescence effect is seen which is upshifted to the Lyman-alpha hydrogen
line (wavelength of 121.6 nm in the UV) from about 589 nm yellow of sodium-
we have a good indication of an energy anomaly which can be incorporated
into a 2 step experiment or used alone as an upshifting mechanism, if it is
intense.

 

Lyman-alpha astronomy is well known and specialized detectors are available
- but any color-blind fool can usually distinguish violet from yellow.

 

From: Kevin O'Malley 

 

What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein
Condensate , the V1DLLBEC.

 

We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids.

 

One big problem with any BEC theory is that One experimental fact is that
the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature.  
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory

Well that detail (reaction rate generally increasing with temperature) would
only be true of one (or a few) kinds of LENR and not every possible kind. 

In fact there could be 3-4 distinct kinds of BEC-LENR as a subset of LENR
(which have been mentioned in the literature) and all four could be
different in the details. 

One or two of these varieties could be temperature limited. In fact the
temperature limited variety could be the easiest to prove, and if the output
can be engineered to be photon emission in the visible range, it would
possibly be valuable for alternative energy.

Jones

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

10^15 is 1 000 000 000 000 000 or quadrillion or thousand billion

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

100 megawatts per cm^2 is only 10^8 watts per Cm^2. I have seen in
research papers and have posted about 10^15 watts per cm^2 maximum seen in
nanoplasmonic research.

I suspect that 10^20 watts per cm^2 is produced inside the Ni/H reactor
because of the optimized nanoparticle configurations used.

This will produce a magnetic field at 10^16 tesla.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

*From:* Bob Cook

Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of
radiation is produced in the SPP phenomena.

Whoa. SPP can produce a radiation power density 100 megawatts per cm^2?
Is that a typo?

Perhaps the reputation of the Terahertz Research Center, School of
Physical Electronics, University of Electronic Science and Technology of
China is not considered by some to be credible?

No... methinks the core problem is plain old inertia and smugness... of the
First World variety...

*From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint

http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf

Thus there could be a hybrid or two step regime for LENR which is based
on electron acceleration, via CNT entrapment. (not to mention other
possibilities).

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

http://phys.org/news/2010-11-german-physicists-super-photon.html

German physicists create a 'super-photon'

This experiment shows how polaritons form a condensate. In a quantum
cavity, the polaritons bounce around in a dark Mode until they all reach
the same energy level, They form a condensate which is a soliton.


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 more,,,

 In Bose-Einstein states the quantum concentration Nq (particles per
 volume) is proportional to the total mass M of the system:

 Nq=(MkT/2πℏ2)3/2
 where k Boltzmann constant, T temperature



 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 The maximum temperature at which a BEC is sustained is directly related
 to the mass of the particle being condensed .

 A SPP is almost massless (lighter than a neutrino) which implies a very
 high maximum temperature of condensation.


 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

   *From:* Kevin O'Malley



 What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein
 Condensate , the V1DLLBEC.



 We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids.



 One big problem with any BEC theory is that One experimental fact is
 that the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature.
 http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory

 Well that detail (reaction rate generally increasing with temperature)
 would only be true of one (or a few) kinds of LENR and not every possible
 kind.

 In fact there could be 3-4 distinct kinds of BEC-LENR as a subset of
 LENR (which have been mentioned in the literature) and all four could be
 different in the details.

 One or two of these varieties could be temperature limited. In fact the
 temperature limited variety could be the easiest to prove, and if the
 output can be engineered to be photon emission in the visible range, it
 would possibly be valuable for alternative energy.

 Jones

RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

BTW - if a thin frozen translucent disk, somewhat similar in appearance to a
camera lens or filter - is prepared as described below, and if it were able
to upshift a fraction of the photons from a lamp from about 589 nm to 122 nm
(shortened wl is the same as upshifted frequency) then this level of gain is
close to what Rossi professes. 

 

Many old timers here may realize that I am sounding more and more like Fred
Sparber :-)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luttinger_liquid

 

This is almost exactly on-target for what we have been talking about in the
aftermath of the Cooper/Seldon patent disclosure. 

 

QUOTE: Among the physical systems believed to be described by the Luttinger
model are:

 

1)artificial 'quantum wires' (one-dimensional strips of electrons

2)electrons in carbon nanotubes

 

A shortened name that comes to mind - at least for the electron variety is
LEC or Luttinger electron condensate.

 

In an experiment which is similar to the Seldon patent application, but
different, we could prepare a colloid of (6,6) CNT in plain water, possibly
with a potassium electrolyte, and freeze that water in a modest magnetic
field. 

 

If - on receiving a coherent light pulse from a sodium vapor lamp, a strong
fluorescence effect is seen which is upshifted to the Lyman-alpha hydrogen
line (wavelength of 121.6 nm in the UV) from about 589 nm yellow of sodium-
we have a good indication of an energy anomaly which can be incorporated
into a 2 step experiment or used alone as an upshifting mechanism, if it is
intense.

 

Lyman-alpha astronomy is well known and specialized detectors are available
- but any color-blind fool can usually distinguish violet from yellow.

 

From: Kevin O'Malley 

 

What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein
Condensate , the V1DLLBEC.

 

We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids.

 

One big problem with any BEC theory is that One experimental fact is that
the observed reaction rate generally increases with temperature.  
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Theory

Well that detail (reaction rate generally increasing with temperature) would
only be true of one (or a few) kinds of LENR and not every possible kind. 

In fact there could be 3-4 distinct kinds of BEC-LENR as a subset of LENR
(which have been mentioned in the literature) and all four could be
different in the details. 

One or two of these varieties could be temperature limited. In fact the
temperature limited variety could be the easiest to prove, and if the output
can be engineered to be photon emission in the visible range, it would
possibly be valuable for alternative energy.

Jones

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

2014-03-04 Thread Kevin O'Malley

Jones:
Using your later input, how about the 1DLEC, pronounced OneDellECK.

1 Dimensional Luttinger Electron Condensate


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

   *From:* Kevin O'Malley



 What I call the Vibrating 1Dimensional Luttinger Liquid Bose-Einstein
 Condensate , the V1DLLBEC.



 We gotta think up a better name, especially if it will include solids.

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

2014-03-04 Thread Terry Blanton

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Many old timers here may realize that I am sounding more and more like Fred
 Sparber

G.R.H.S.

Quit waking Fred.

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

The paper is interesting as to the different characteristics of various 
diameter CNT and different schemes possible for loading them with materials 
that are oriented in a desirable direction.

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jones Beene 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:46 AM
  Subject: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

  From: David Roberson 

  Jones, are you suggesting that particles inside a CNT can exist at a lower 
temperature than those outside?  That is an interesting question.  I would 
initially think that this would violate thermodynamic laws, but strange things 
do happen.   Have you seen any reference to this type of behavior and how would 
it be measured?

  Dave

  An argument can be made of a temperature differential inside vs outside. 
Check this out

  http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.1328.pdf

  I am still looking for a paper more on point. And more extreme.

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

Jones--

I was thinking about the Cherenkov  radiation vs the Bremsstrahlung radiation 
that you were wondering about with respect to SPP phenomenon

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jones Beene 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:15 AM
  Subject: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

  From: Bob Cook 

  Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of 
radiation is produced in the SPP  phenomena.

  Whoa. SPP can produce a radiation power density 100 megawatts per cm^2? Is 
that a typo?

  That is quite a shock, in more ways than one .g even if the authors had 
somehow missed it by a factor of 100. the only question we should be asking 
ourselves is: why isn't everyone in LENR jumping on implementing SPP into their 
experiments ?

  Perhaps the reputation of the Terahertz Research Center, School of Physical 
Electronics, University of Electronic Science and Technology of China is not 
considered by some to be credible?

  No. methinks the core problem is plain old inertia and smugness. of the First 
World variety. 

  BTW - in terms of education, most of the authors of this paper were probably 
educated here. The State Dept says that of the 1,777 physics doctorates awarded 
in 2011, a typical year, over a third 743 went to temporary visa holders - most 
of whom come from Asia. That should come as no surprise to anyone walking 
around the top University physics departments. 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 

http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf

Thanks for posting that reference.  And I might draw your attention to my 
posting a few mins ago. Of Metronomes and Molecules... Once again, we find 
ourselves bumping into each other down in this rabbit hole.  ;-)

Yes, looks like there is an emergent meme within the vortices of cyberspace 
which we are tuned into this week . another angle on the metronome effect would 
a new kind of phonon cooling (as in laser cooling). 

BTW - if in a nanotube experiment - there does exist a virtual rabbit 
hole for virtual cooling in which bosons at high temperature can condense, 
then the inside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A Cooper pair of 
electrons is a composite boson. 

Thus there could be a hybrid or two step regime for LENR which is based on 
electron acceleration, via CNT entrapment. (not to mention other possibilities).

RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

Another piece of the puzzle ?

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/SuperconductingQuantumCoherentWaterinNanospace.php


An argument can be made of a temperature differential inside
vs outside CNT

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.1328.pdf

I am still looking for a paper more on point. And more
extreme.
attachment: winmail.dat

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

Axil

The Chinese paper said:
The calculated dispersion curves are shown in Fig. 4. Different from that of 
the planar structure, in the cylindrical case the electron beam line 
intersects with

dispersion curves at two points of the two modes.

It seems to say that the SPP phenomenon can occur on plane surface as well as a 
cylindrical surface.  Is this your understanding?  It makes CNT even more 
interesting as a location for SPP to occur. 

Bob

  - Original Message - 
  From: Axil Axil 
  To: vortex-l 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current


  100 megawatts per cm^2 is only 10^8 watts per Cm^2. I have seen in research 
papers and have posted about 10^15 watts per cm^2 maximum seen in nanoplasmonic 
research.


  I suspect that 10^20 watts per cm^2 is produced inside the Ni/H reactor 
because of the optimized nanoparticle configurations used.


  This will produce a magnetic field at 10^16 tesla.



  On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:



From: Bob Cook 



Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of 
radiation is produced in the SPP  phenomena.



Whoa. SPP can produce a radiation power density 100 megawatts per cm^2? Is 
that a typo?



That is quite a shock, in more ways than one .g even if the authors had 
somehow missed it by a factor of 100. the only question we should be asking 
ourselves is: why isn't everyone in LENR jumping on implementing SPP into their 
experiments ?



Perhaps the reputation of the Terahertz Research Center, School of Physical 
Electronics, University of Electronic Science and Technology of China is not 
considered by some to be credible?



No. methinks the core problem is plain old inertia and smugness. of the 
First World variety. 



BTW - in terms of education, most of the authors of this paper were 
probably educated here. The State Dept says that of the 1,777 physics 
doctorates awarded in 2011, a typical year, over a third 743 went to temporary 
visa holders - most of whom come from Asia. That should come as no surprise to 
anyone walking around the top University physics departments. 

  From: MarkI-ZeroPoint 



  
http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf



  Thanks for posting that reference.  And I might draw your attention to my 
posting a few mins ago. Of Metronomes and Molecules... Once again, we find 
ourselves bumping into each other down in this rabbit hole.  ;-)

  Yes, looks like there is an emergent meme within the vortices of 
cyberspace which we are tuned into this week . another angle on the metronome 
effect would a new kind of phonon cooling (as in laser cooling). 

  BTW - if in a nanotube experiment - there does exist a virtual rabbit 
hole for virtual cooling in which bosons at high temperature can condense, 
then the inside diameter of the CNT could be such a space. A Cooper pair of 
electrons is a composite boson. 

  Thus there could be a hybrid or two step regime for LENR which is based 
on electron acceleration, via CNT entrapment. (not to mention other 
possibilities).

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric a material with a
*negative* index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light).

Do CNTs qualify. They must if the Chinese say so.

 *Negative Refractive Index Metasurfaces for Enhanced Biosensing *


*Research as follows:*

Inorganic ultrathin nanocomposites include metals and metal composites,
various oxides, semiconductor materials, different inorganic compounds but
also pure elements. Various metals were reported as freestanding
nanomembrane materials, including chromium, titanium, tungsten, nickel,
aluminum, silver, gold, platinum; most of these being structural metals
having both electromagnetic and mechanical functions at the same time.
Elemental semiconductor nanomembranes were also reported, and among them,
an especially important mention belongs to silicon freestanding structures,
which are connected with the most widespread and mature technology. Silicon
with a thickness ranging between 10 nm and 100 nm was mentioned for
instance in the context of nanomembrane-based stretchable electronics [95].
Buckled silicon nanoribbons and full nanomembranes were also reported
[96]. *Materials
**2011*, *4 **7 *

*An important material for nanomembranes in CBB sensor applications is
carbon, which may be used in membranes in the form of carbon nanotubes [97]
or as freestanding, ultrathin diamond or diamandoid film [97]. *The
excellent mechanical properties of such carbon-based materials make them
convenient for their use as reinforcements for the nanometer-thin
freestanding structures, but also as the dielectric part of the
metasurfaces. Other classes of inorganic freestanding nanomembranes include
oxide, nitride and carbide structures, many of them used either as
wide-bandgap semiconductors or insulators. Silicon dioxide nanomembranes
[98] are among the important ones, again because of the widely available
and mature silicon technology. Other materials include silicon nitride,
titanium dioxide, gallium arsenide, *etc*. A special class of interest for
this review belongs to plasmonic materials. These include Drude metals.
Freestanding gold films with a thickness below 100 nm have been known for a
long time [99]. In our experiments we fabricated chromium-containing
nanomembranes down to 8 nm thickness and with areas of tens of millimeters
square [94,100]. Another possibility to obtain freestanding nanomembranes
with plasmonic properties is to utilize non-metallic Drude materials like
transparent conductive oxides (e.g., tin oxide, indium oxide, *etc.*)
[101,102]. Symmetric plasmonic nanomembranes may be fabricated as laminar
nanocomposites. Possible implementations include sandwich structures in
which top and bottom layers are plasmonic material, while the middle layer
may be any material serving as a support. Figure 1 shows an example of our
free-floating nanomembrane with an overall thickness of 35 nm and a
metal-dielectric-metal structure. *Figure 1. *Free-floating laminar
metal/dielectric/metal nanomembrane, strata thickness 10 nm + 15 nm + 10
nm, metal Au, dielectric silica, lateral dimensions 2 cm × 8 mm, support
polished Si.




On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Axil

 The Chinese paper said:

 The calculated dispersion curves are shown in Fig. 4. Different from
 that of the planar structure, in the cylindrical case the electron beam
 line intersects with

 dispersion curves at two points of the two modes.

 It seems to say that the SPP phenomenon can occur on plane surface as well
 as a cylindrical surface.  Is this your understanding?  It makes CNT even
 more interesting as a location for SPP to occur.

 Bob

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
 *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:44 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

  100 megawatts per cm^2 is only 10^8 watts per Cm^2. I have seen in
 research papers and have posted about 10^15 watts per cm^2 maximum seen in
 nanoplasmonic research.

 I suspect that 10^20 watts per cm^2 is produced inside the Ni/H reactor
 because of the optimized nanoparticle configurations used.

 This will produce a magnetic field at 10^16 tesla.


 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:



 *From:* Bob Cook



 Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of
 radiation is produced in the SPP  phenomena.



 Whoa. SPP can produce a radiation power density 100 megawatts per cm^2?
 Is that a typo?



 That is quite a shock, in more ways than one ...g even if the authors had
 somehow missed it by a factor of 100... the only question we should be asking
 ourselves is: why isn't everyone in LENR jumping on implementing SPP into
 their experiments ?



 Perhaps the reputation of the Terahertz Research Center, School of
 Physical Electronics, University of Electronic Science and Technology of
 China is not considered by some to be credible

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric a material with a
*negative* index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light).

should read

SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric and a material with a
*negative* index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light).


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric a material with a
 *negative* index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light).

 Do CNTs qualify. They must if the Chinese say so.

  *Negative Refractive Index Metasurfaces for Enhanced Biosensing *


 *Research as follows:*

 Inorganic ultrathin nanocomposites include metals and metal composites,
 various oxides, semiconductor materials, different inorganic compounds but
 also pure elements. Various metals were reported as freestanding
 nanomembrane materials, including chromium, titanium, tungsten, nickel,
 aluminum, silver, gold, platinum; most of these being structural metals
 having both electromagnetic and mechanical functions at the same time.
 Elemental semiconductor nanomembranes were also reported, and among them,
 an especially important mention belongs to silicon freestanding structures,
 which are connected with the most widespread and mature technology. Silicon
 with a thickness ranging between 10 nm and 100 nm was mentioned for
 instance in the context of nanomembrane-based stretchable electronics [95].
 Buckled silicon nanoribbons and full nanomembranes were also reported [96]. 
 *Materials
 **2011*, *4 **7 *

 *An important material for nanomembranes in CBB sensor applications is
 carbon, which may be used in membranes in the form of carbon nanotubes [97]
 or as freestanding, ultrathin diamond or diamandoid film [97]. *The
 excellent mechanical properties of such carbon-based materials make them
 convenient for their use as reinforcements for the nanometer-thin
 freestanding structures, but also as the dielectric part of the
 metasurfaces. Other classes of inorganic freestanding nanomembranes include
 oxide, nitride and carbide structures, many of them used either as
 wide-bandgap semiconductors or insulators. Silicon dioxide nanomembranes
 [98] are among the important ones, again because of the widely available
 and mature silicon technology. Other materials include silicon nitride,
 titanium dioxide, gallium arsenide, *etc*. A special class of interest
 for this review belongs to plasmonic materials. These include Drude metals.
 Freestanding gold films with a thickness below 100 nm have been known for a
 long time [99]. In our experiments we fabricated chromium-containing
 nanomembranes down to 8 nm thickness and with areas of tens of millimeters
 square [94,100]. Another possibility to obtain freestanding nanomembranes
 with plasmonic properties is to utilize non-metallic Drude materials like
 transparent conductive oxides (e.g., tin oxide, indium oxide, *etc.*)
 [101,102]. Symmetric plasmonic nanomembranes may be fabricated as laminar
 nanocomposites. Possible implementations include sandwich structures in
 which top and bottom layers are plasmonic material, while the middle layer
 may be any material serving as a support. Figure 1 shows an example of our
 free-floating nanomembrane with an overall thickness of 35 nm and a
 metal-dielectric-metal structure. *Figure 1. *Free-floating laminar
 metal/dielectric/metal nanomembrane, strata thickness 10 nm + 15 nm + 10
 nm, metal Au, dielectric silica, lateral dimensions 2 cm × 8 mm, support
 polished Si.




 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Axil

 The Chinese paper said:

 The calculated dispersion curves are shown in Fig. 4. Different from
 that of the planar structure, in the cylindrical case the electron beam
 line intersects with

 dispersion curves at two points of the two modes.

 It seems to say that the SPP phenomenon can occur on plane surface as
 well as a cylindrical surface.  Is this your understanding?  It makes CNT
 even more interesting as a location for SPP to occur.

 Bob

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
 *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:44 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

  100 megawatts per cm^2 is only 10^8 watts per Cm^2. I have seen in
 research papers and have posted about 10^15 watts per cm^2 maximum seen in
 nanoplasmonic research.

 I suspect that 10^20 watts per cm^2 is produced inside the Ni/H reactor
 because of the optimized nanoparticle configurations used.

 This will produce a magnetic field at 10^16 tesla.


 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:



 *From:* Bob Cook



 Well the Chinese paper answers your recent question about what type of
 radiation is produced in the SPP  phenomena.



 Whoa. SPP can produce a radiation power density 100 megawatts per cm^2?
 Is that a typo?



 That is quite a shock, in more ways than one ...g even

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

All nanoparticles of a certain size have a negative index of refraction as
regards to the long wavelengths of infrared light. Short wavelengths are
absorbed. It's a matter of geometry.



A mix of particles of various sizes is needed in a Ni/H reactor to form an
amalgam.


This may be why BIG particles are needed to absorb the infrared light and
that infrared energy once absorbed in the big particles is passed via
dipole motion to the smaller particles witch usually reflect that long
wavelength  light.

It is my evolving opinion that predestination of some sort was involved in
the Ni/H reactor design because Rossi cannot be this smart.








On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric a material with a
 *negative* index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light).

 should read

 SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric and a material with a
 *negative* index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light).


 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric a material with a
 *negative* index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light).

 Do CNTs qualify. They must if the Chinese say so.

  *Negative Refractive Index Metasurfaces for Enhanced Biosensing *


 *Research as follows:*

 Inorganic ultrathin nanocomposites include metals and metal composites,
 various oxides, semiconductor materials, different inorganic compounds but
 also pure elements. Various metals were reported as freestanding
 nanomembrane materials, including chromium, titanium, tungsten, nickel,
 aluminum, silver, gold, platinum; most of these being structural metals
 having both electromagnetic and mechanical functions at the same time.
 Elemental semiconductor nanomembranes were also reported, and among them,
 an especially important mention belongs to silicon freestanding structures,
 which are connected with the most widespread and mature technology. Silicon
 with a thickness ranging between 10 nm and 100 nm was mentioned for
 instance in the context of nanomembrane-based stretchable electronics [95].
 Buckled silicon nanoribbons and full nanomembranes were also reported [96]. 
 *Materials
 **2011*, *4 **7 *

 *An important material for nanomembranes in CBB sensor applications is
 carbon, which may be used in membranes in the form of carbon nanotubes [97]
 or as freestanding, ultrathin diamond or diamandoid film [97]. *The
 excellent mechanical properties of such carbon-based materials make them
 convenient for their use as reinforcements for the nanometer-thin
 freestanding structures, but also as the dielectric part of the
 metasurfaces. Other classes of inorganic freestanding nanomembranes include
 oxide, nitride and carbide structures, many of them used either as
 wide-bandgap semiconductors or insulators. Silicon dioxide nanomembranes
 [98] are among the important ones, again because of the widely available
 and mature silicon technology. Other materials include silicon nitride,
 titanium dioxide, gallium arsenide, *etc*. A special class of interest
 for this review belongs to plasmonic materials. These include Drude metals.
 Freestanding gold films with a thickness below 100 nm have been known for a
 long time [99]. In our experiments we fabricated chromium-containing
 nanomembranes down to 8 nm thickness and with areas of tens of millimeters
 square [94,100]. Another possibility to obtain freestanding nanomembranes
 with plasmonic properties is to utilize non-metallic Drude materials like
 transparent conductive oxides (e.g., tin oxide, indium oxide, *etc.*)
 [101,102]. Symmetric plasmonic nanomembranes may be fabricated as laminar
 nanocomposites. Possible implementations include sandwich structures in
 which top and bottom layers are plasmonic material, while the middle layer
 may be any material serving as a support. Figure 1 shows an example of our
 free-floating nanomembrane with an overall thickness of 35 nm and a
 metal-dielectric-metal structure. *Figure 1. *Free-floating laminar
 metal/dielectric/metal nanomembrane, strata thickness 10 nm + 15 nm + 10
 nm, metal Au, dielectric silica, lateral dimensions 2 cm × 8 mm, support
 polished Si.




 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.comwrote:

  Axil

 The Chinese paper said:

 The calculated dispersion curves are shown in Fig. 4. Different from
 that of the planar structure, in the cylindrical case the electron beam
 line intersects with

 dispersion curves at two points of the two modes.

 It seems to say that the SPP phenomenon can occur on plane surface as
 well as a cylindrical surface.  Is this your understanding?  It makes CNT
 even more interesting as a location for SPP to occur.

 Bob

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
 *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:44 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

  100

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

Rossi may not have been smart enough, but what about Focardi?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Axil Axil 
  To: vortex-l 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

  All nanoparticles of a certain size have a negative index of refraction as 
regards to the long wavelengths of infrared light. Short wavelengths are 
absorbed. It's a matter of geometry.

  A mix of particles of various sizes is needed in a Ni/H reactor to form an 
amalgam.

  This may be why BIG particles are needed to absorb the infrared light and 
that infrared energy once absorbed in the big particles is passed via dipole 
motion to the smaller particles witch usually reflect that long wavelength  
light.

  It is my evolving opinion that predestination of some sort was involved in 
the Ni/H reactor design because Rossi cannot be this smart.

  On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric a material with a negative 
index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light).

should read

SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric and a material with a 
negative index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light).

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

  SPP happen at the interface between a dielectric a material with a 
negative index of refraction.(a metal the reflect light).

  Do CNTs qualify. They must if the Chinese say so.

  Negative Refractive Index Metasurfaces for Enhanced Biosensing 

  Research as follows:

  Inorganic ultrathin nanocomposites include metals and metal composites, 
various oxides, semiconductor materials, different inorganic compounds but also 
pure elements. Various metals were reported as freestanding nanomembrane 
materials, including chromium, titanium, tungsten, nickel, aluminum, silver, 
gold, platinum; most of these being structural metals having both 
electromagnetic and mechanical functions at the same time. Elemental 
semiconductor nanomembranes were also reported, and among them, an especially 
important mention belongs to silicon freestanding structures, which are 
connected with the most widespread and mature technology. Silicon with a 
thickness ranging between 10 nm and 100 nm was mentioned for instance in the 
context of nanomembrane-based stretchable electronics [95]. Buckled silicon 
nanoribbons and full nanomembranes were also reported [96]. Materials 2011, 4 7 

  An important material for nanomembranes in CBB sensor applications is 
carbon, which may be used in membranes in the form of carbon nanotubes [97] or 
as freestanding, ultrathin diamond or diamandoid film [97]. The excellent 
mechanical properties of such carbon-based materials make them convenient for 
their use as reinforcements for the nanometer-thin freestanding structures, but 
also as the dielectric part of the metasurfaces. Other classes of inorganic 
freestanding nanomembranes include oxide, nitride and carbide structures, many 
of them used either as wide-bandgap semiconductors or insulators. Silicon 
dioxide nanomembranes [98] are among the important ones, again because of the 
widely available and mature silicon technology. Other materials include silicon 
nitride, titanium dioxide, gallium arsenide, etc. A special class of interest 
for this review belongs to plasmonic materials. These include Drude metals. 
Freestanding gold films with a thickness below 100 nm have been known for a 
long time [99]. In our experiments we fabricated chromium-containing 
nanomembranes down to 8 nm thickness and with areas of tens of millimeters 
square [94,100]. Another possibility to obtain freestanding nanomembranes with 
plasmonic properties is to utilize non-metallic Drude materials like 
transparent conductive oxides (e.g., tin oxide, indium oxide, etc.) [101,102]. 
Symmetric plasmonic nanomembranes may be fabricated as laminar nanocomposites. 
Possible implementations include sandwich structures in which top and bottom 
layers are plasmonic material, while the middle layer may be any material 
serving as a support. Figure 1 shows an example of our free-floating 
nanomembrane with an overall thickness of 35 nm and a metal-dielectric-metal 
structure. Figure 1. Free-floating laminar metal/dielectric/metal nanomembrane, 
strata thickness 10 nm + 15 nm + 10 nm, metal Au, dielectric silica, lateral 
dimensions 2 cm × 8 mm, support polished Si. 

  On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:

Axil

The Chinese paper said: 
The calculated dispersion curves are shown in Fig. 4. Different from 
that of the planar structure, in the cylindrical case the electron beam line 
intersects with

dispersion curves at two points of the two modes.

It seems to say that the SPP phenomenon can occur on plane surface as 
well as a cylindrical surface

RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

In connecting all the dots in a hypothetical nanotube reactor, ring
current in hexagonal carbon structures, together with SPP may work together
with CNT in water to provide LENR effects. These CNT would function as nano
electron accelerators when magnetized. We are avoiding mention of the
ultimate source of excess energy for now to focus on the electrons. Heavy
water is probably not required.

 

There is no proof of any of this - but in the event that anyone should see
photons in the keV range as a characteristic of any CNT device, especially
one operating in water - then this provides a plausible explanation of how
that finding is related back to the basic hexagonal bond-length of CNT,
about 0.142 nm and how bremsstrahlung at low energy (around 1 keV) could
provide the feedback mechanism for the SPP. It all fits, proof or no.

 

One further detail to add, especially in the context of the Cooper patent
application: Cherenkov radiation vs. bremsstrahlung - in the above
suggestion for the required feedback mechanism. SPP requires an intense
light source and the initial electrons could, ironically, be too energetic.

 

Cherenkov radiation is emitted when a charged particle such as an electron
passes through a dielectric medium (water) at a speed greater than the phase
velocity of light in that medium. It should be noted that Cherenkov
radiation is differentiated from bremsstrahlung radiation because the
intensity does not depend on the mass of the particle, whereas
bremsstrahlung does. However, the threshold for electrons is around 250 keV
which would seem to eliminate this kind of radiation in CNT cells (since it
would show up independently). Is there a correlate?

 

Probably. The characteristic blue glow of nuclear fuel storage is due to
Cherenkov radiation, but there are other types of fluorescence in which
electrons create a similar light source differently. Therefore, and since
SPP depends on a light source and 1 keV electrons are possibly resonant,
there could be something happening with water fluorescence similar to
Cherenkov but NOT identical. It is probably related to FRET (Forster
resonant energy transfer) instead of phase velocity. A blue glow comes from
the Lyman line of hydrogen in any case.

 

The bottom line is that if SPP are involved in CNT, and in the simple device
described in the Cooper patent - then the experimenter should be able to see
a characteristic visible fluorescence for a period of time after the input
power is turned off and it could be more energetic photons than the input.
For instance, if sodium vapor lighting is used as input, the afterglow could
be in the blue spectrum and it were the Lyman line, this would actually be
more convincing than helium and far easier to document.

 

Apparently the helium measurement of the Cooper disclosure does not stand up
to close scrutiny. It is not the only way to go. This kind of CNT reactor
can be done with light water and an electrolyte in a partial replication
which is only going for fluorescence, a hydrogen line and afterglow (and
possibly crude water bath calorimetry).

 

Jones

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

Jones--

Is there any available  knowledge of the structure of the Ni nano particles 
Rossi is rumored to use?  I would think they would be small crystals of Ni with 
its typical cubic structure, however, there may be other geometries that form, 
particularly, if impurities are added to the mix of elements making up the nano 
particle.

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jones Beene 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 7:05 AM
  Subject: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current


  In connecting all the dots in a hypothetical nanotube reactor, ring current 
in hexagonal carbon structures, together with SPP may work together with CNT in 
water to provide LENR effects. These CNT would function as nano electron 
accelerators when magnetized. We are avoiding mention of the ultimate source of 
excess energy for now to focus on the electrons. Heavy water is probably not 
required.

   

  There is no proof of any of this - but in the event that anyone should see 
photons in the keV range as a characteristic of any CNT device, especially one 
operating in water - then this provides a plausible explanation of how that 
finding is related back to the basic hexagonal bond-length of CNT, about 0.142 
nm and how bremsstrahlung at low energy (around 1 keV) could provide the 
feedback mechanism for the SPP. It all fits, proof or no.

   

  One further detail to add, especially in the context of the Cooper patent 
application: Cherenkov radiation vs. bremsstrahlung - in the above suggestion 
for the required feedback mechanism. SPP requires an intense light source and 
the initial electrons could, ironically, be too energetic.

   

  Cherenkov radiation is emitted when a charged particle such as an electron 
passes through a dielectric medium (water) at a speed greater than the phase 
velocity of light in that medium. It should be noted that Cherenkov radiation 
is differentiated from bremsstrahlung radiation because the intensity does not 
depend on the mass of the particle, whereas bremsstrahlung does. However, the 
threshold for electrons is around 250 keV which would seem to eliminate this 
kind of radiation in CNT cells (since it would show up independently). Is there 
a correlate?

   

  Probably. The characteristic blue glow of nuclear fuel storage is due to 
Cherenkov radiation, but there are other types of fluorescence in which 
electrons create a similar light source differently. Therefore, and since SPP 
depends on a light source and 1 keV electrons are possibly resonant, there 
could be something happening with water fluorescence similar to Cherenkov but 
NOT identical. It is probably related to FRET (Forster resonant energy 
transfer) instead of phase velocity. A blue glow comes from the Lyman line of 
hydrogen in any case.

   

  The bottom line is that if SPP are involved in CNT, and in the simple device 
described in the Cooper patent - then the experimenter should be able to see a 
characteristic visible fluorescence for a period of time after the input power 
is turned off and it could be more energetic photons than the input. For 
instance, if sodium vapor lighting is used as input, the afterglow could be in 
the blue spectrum and it were the Lyman line, this would actually be more 
convincing than helium and far easier to document.

   

  Apparently the helium measurement of the Cooper disclosure does not stand up 
to close scrutiny. It is not the only way to go. This kind of CNT reactor can 
be done with light water and an electrolyte in a partial replication which is 
only going for fluorescence, a hydrogen line and afterglow (and possibly crude 
water bath calorimetry).

   

  Jones

RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

From: Bob Cook 

 

Is there any available  knowledge of the structure of the Ni nano particles
Rossi is rumored to use?  

 

There are past posts in the archive which have speculated on his tubules or
tubercles, but it may be counterproductive to try to deconstruct Rossi. He
hints at buying his special nickel from a Hobbit in Italy, and magic many be
involved. :-)

 

It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of
adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel.

 

Nickel chloride is interesting in this regard, since it is soluble and since
chlorine has special energetic properties of its own - when irradiated with
light.

 

In connecting all the dots in a hypothetical nanotube reactor, ring
current in hexagonal carbon structures, together with SPP may work together
with CNT in water to provide LENR effects. These CNT would function as nano
electron accelerators when magnetized. We are avoiding mention of the
ultimate source of excess energy for now to focus on the electrons. Heavy
water is probably not required.

 

There is no proof of any of this - but in the event that anyone should see
photons in the keV range as a characteristic of any CNT device, especially
one operating in water - then this provides a plausible explanation of how
that finding is related back to the basic hexagonal bond-length of CNT,
about 0.142 nm and how bremsstrahlung at low energy (around 1 keV) could
provide the feedback mechanism for the SPP. It all fits, proof or no.

 

One further detail to add, especially in the context of the Cooper patent
application: Cherenkov radiation vs. bremsstrahlung - in the above
suggestion for the required feedback mechanism. SPP requires an intense
light source and the initial electrons could, ironically, be too energetic.

 

Cherenkov radiation is emitted when a charged particle such as an electron
passes through a dielectric medium (water) at a speed greater than the phase
velocity of light in that medium. It should be noted that Cherenkov
radiation is differentiated from bremsstrahlung radiation because the
intensity does not depend on the mass of the particle, whereas
bremsstrahlung does. However, the threshold for electrons is around 250 keV
which would seem to eliminate this kind of radiation in CNT cells (since it
would show up independently). Is there a correlate?

 

Probably. The characteristic blue glow of nuclear fuel storage is due to
Cherenkov radiation, but there are other types of fluorescence in which
electrons create a similar light source differently. Therefore, and since
SPP depends on a light source and 1 keV electrons are possibly resonant,
there could be something happening with water fluorescence similar to
Cherenkov but NOT identical. It is probably related to FRET (Forster
resonant energy transfer) instead of phase velocity. A blue glow comes from
the Lyman line of hydrogen in any case.

 

The bottom line is that if SPP are involved in CNT, and in the simple device
described in the Cooper patent - then the experimenter should be able to see
a characteristic visible fluorescence for a period of time after the input
power is turned off and it could be more energetic photons than the input.
For instance, if sodium vapor lighting is used as input, the afterglow could
be in the blue spectrum and it were the Lyman line, this would actually be
more convincing than helium and far easier to document.

 

Apparently the helium measurement of the Cooper disclosure does not stand up
to close scrutiny. It is not the only way to go. This kind of CNT reactor
can be done with light water and an electrolyte in a partial replication
which is only going for fluorescence, a hydrogen line and afterglow (and
possibly crude water bath calorimetry).

 

Jones

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

Designing those nano-hairs on the micro-particles are at the heart of the
success of the NiH reactor. Rossi said he spent 6 months of day and night
experimental effort to optimize his nano-hairs. Give DGT credit for coming
up with a workable nano-hair design.


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

   *From:* Bob Cook



 Is there any available  knowledge of the structure of the Ni nano
 particles Rossi is rumored to use?



 There are past posts in the archive which have speculated on his tubules
 or tubercles, but it may be counterproductive to try to deconstruct Rossi.
 He hints at buying his special nickel from a Hobbit in Italy, and magic
 many be involved. J



 It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint
 of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel.



 Nickel chloride is interesting in this regard, since it is soluble and
 since chlorine has special energetic properties of its own - when
 irradiated with light.



 In connecting all the dots in a hypothetical nanotube reactor, ring
 current in hexagonal carbon structures, together with SPP may work
 together with CNT in water to provide LENR effects. These CNT would
 function as nano electron accelerators when magnetized. We are avoiding
 mention of the ultimate source of excess energy for now to focus on the
 electrons. Heavy water is probably not required.



 There is no proof of any of this - but in the event that anyone should see
 photons in the keV range as a characteristic of any CNT device, especially
 one operating in water - then this provides a plausible explanation of how
 that finding is related back to the basic hexagonal bond-length of CNT,
 about 0.142 nm and how bremsstrahlung at low energy (around 1 keV) could
 provide the feedback mechanism for the SPP. It all fits, proof or no.



 One further detail to add, especially in the context of the Cooper patent
 application: Cherenkov radiation vs. bremsstrahlung - in the above
 suggestion for the required feedback mechanism. SPP requires an intense
 light source and the initial electrons could, ironically, be too energetic.



 Cherenkov radiation is emitted when a charged particle such as an electron
 passes through a dielectric medium (water) at a speed greater than the
 phase velocity of light in that medium. It should be noted that Cherenkov
 radiation is differentiated from bremsstrahlung radiation because the
 intensity does not depend on the mass of the particle, whereas
 bremsstrahlung does. However, the threshold for electrons is around 250 keV
 which would seem to eliminate this kind of radiation in CNT cells (since it
 would show up independently). Is there a correlate?



 Probably. The characteristic blue glow of nuclear fuel storage is due to
 Cherenkov radiation, but there are other types of fluorescence in which
 electrons create a similar light source differently. Therefore, and since
 SPP depends on a light source and 1 keV electrons are possibly resonant,
 there could be something happening with water fluorescence similar to
 Cherenkov but NOT identical. It is probably related to FRET (Forster
 resonant energy transfer) instead of phase velocity. A blue glow comes from
 the Lyman line of hydrogen in any case.



 The bottom line is that if SPP are involved in CNT, and in the simple
 device described in the Cooper patent - then the experimenter should be
 able to see a characteristic visible fluorescence for a period of time
 after the input power is turned off and it could be more energetic photons
 than the input. For instance, if sodium vapor lighting is used as input,
 the afterglow could be in the blue spectrum and it were the Lyman line,
 this would actually be more convincing than helium and far easier to
 document.



 Apparently the helium measurement of the Cooper disclosure does not stand
 up to close scrutiny. It is not the only way to go. This kind of CNT
 reactor can be done with light water and an electrolyte in a partial
 replication which is only going for fluorescence, a hydrogen line and
 afterglow (and possibly crude water bath calorimetry).



 Jones

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni 
distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used.  

Jones.  Is this what you meant by: 
It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of 
adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?

Bob

  - Original Message - 
  From: Axil Axil 
  To: vortex-l 
  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 8:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current


  Designing those nano-hairs on the micro-particles are at the heart of the 
success of the NiH reactor. Rossi said he spent 6 months of day and night 
experimental effort to optimize his nano-hairs. Give DGT credit for coming up 
with a workable nano-hair design.



  On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

From: Bob Cook 



Is there any available  knowledge of the structure of the Ni nano particles 
Rossi is rumored to use?  



There are past posts in the archive which have speculated on his tubules or 
tubercles, but it may be counterproductive to try to deconstruct Rossi. He 
hints at buying his special nickel from a Hobbit in Italy, and magic many be 
involved. J



It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of 
adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel.



Nickel chloride is interesting in this regard, since it is soluble and 
since chlorine has special energetic properties of its own - when irradiated 
with light.



  In connecting all the dots in a hypothetical nanotube reactor, ring 
current in hexagonal carbon structures, together with SPP may work together 
with CNT in water to provide LENR effects. These CNT would function as nano 
electron accelerators when magnetized. We are avoiding mention of the ultimate 
source of excess energy for now to focus on the electrons. Heavy water is 
probably not required.



  There is no proof of any of this - but in the event that anyone should 
see photons in the keV range as a characteristic of any CNT device, especially 
one operating in water - then this provides a plausible explanation of how that 
finding is related back to the basic hexagonal bond-length of CNT, about 0.142 
nm and how bremsstrahlung at low energy (around 1 keV) could provide the 
feedback mechanism for the SPP. It all fits, proof or no.



  One further detail to add, especially in the context of the Cooper patent 
application: Cherenkov radiation vs. bremsstrahlung - in the above suggestion 
for the required feedback mechanism. SPP requires an intense light source and 
the initial electrons could, ironically, be too energetic.



  Cherenkov radiation is emitted when a charged particle such as an 
electron passes through a dielectric medium (water) at a speed greater than the 
phase velocity of light in that medium. It should be noted that Cherenkov 
radiation is differentiated from bremsstrahlung radiation because the intensity 
does not depend on the mass of the particle, whereas bremsstrahlung does. 
However, the threshold for electrons is around 250 keV which would seem to 
eliminate this kind of radiation in CNT cells (since it would show up 
independently). Is there a correlate?



  Probably. The characteristic blue glow of nuclear fuel storage is due to 
Cherenkov radiation, but there are other types of fluorescence in which 
electrons create a similar light source differently. Therefore, and since SPP 
depends on a light source and 1 keV electrons are possibly resonant, there 
could be something happening with water fluorescence similar to Cherenkov but 
NOT identical. It is probably related to FRET (Forster resonant energy 
transfer) instead of phase velocity. A blue glow comes from the Lyman line of 
hydrogen in any case.



  The bottom line is that if SPP are involved in CNT, and in the simple 
device described in the Cooper patent - then the experimenter should be able to 
see a characteristic visible fluorescence for a period of time after the input 
power is turned off and it could be more energetic photons than the input. For 
instance, if sodium vapor lighting is used as input, the afterglow could be in 
the blue spectrum and it were the Lyman line, this would actually be more 
convincing than helium and far easier to document.



  Apparently the helium measurement of the Cooper disclosure does not stand 
up to close scrutiny. It is not the only way to go. This kind of CNT reactor 
can be done with light water and an electrolyte in a partial replication which 
is only going for fluorescence, a hydrogen line and afterglow (and possibly 
crude water bath calorimetry).



  Jones

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

2014-03-03 Thread Roarty, Francis X

Or maybe he was referring to Mills..Rayney Ni is NiAl with Al partially leached 
out?

From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:55 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni 
distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used.

Jones.  Is this what you meant by: 
It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of 
adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Axil Axilmailto:janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-lmailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

Designing those nano-hairs on the micro-particles are at the heart of the 
success of the NiH reactor. Rossi said he spent 6 months of day and night 
experimental effort to optimize his nano-hairs. Give DGT credit for coming up 
with a workable nano-hair design.

On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Jones Beene 
jone...@pacbell.netmailto:jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
From: Bob Cook

Is there any available  knowledge of the structure of the Ni nano particles 
Rossi is rumored to use?

There are past posts in the archive which have speculated on his tubules or 
tubercles, but it may be counterproductive to try to deconstruct Rossi. He 
hints at buying his special nickel from a Hobbit in Italy, and magic many be 
involved. :)

It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of 
adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel.

Nickel chloride is interesting in this regard, since it is soluble and since 
chlorine has special energetic properties of its own - when irradiated with 
light.

In connecting all the dots in a hypothetical nanotube reactor, ring current 
in hexagonal carbon structures, together with SPP may work together with CNT in 
water to provide LENR effects. These CNT would function as nano electron 
accelerators when magnetized. We are avoiding mention of the ultimate source of 
excess energy for now to focus on the electrons. Heavy water is probably not 
required.

There is no proof of any of this - but in the event that anyone should see 
photons in the keV range as a characteristic of any CNT device, especially one 
operating in water - then this provides a plausible explanation of how that 
finding is related back to the basic hexagonal bond-length of CNT, about 0.142 
nm and how bremsstrahlung at low energy (around 1 keV) could provide the 
feedback mechanism for the SPP. It all fits, proof or no.

One further detail to add, especially in the context of the Cooper patent 
application: Cherenkov radiation vs. bremsstrahlung - in the above suggestion 
for the required feedback mechanism. SPP requires an intense light source and 
the initial electrons could, ironically, be too energetic.

Cherenkov radiation is emitted when a charged particle such as an electron 
passes through a dielectric medium (water) at a speed greater than the phase 
velocity of light in that medium. It should be noted that Cherenkov radiation 
is differentiated from bremsstrahlung radiation because the intensity does not 
depend on the mass of the particle, whereas bremsstrahlung does. However, the 
threshold for electrons is around 250 keV which would seem to eliminate this 
kind of radiation in CNT cells (since it would show up independently). Is there 
a correlate?

Probably. The characteristic blue glow of nuclear fuel storage is due to 
Cherenkov radiation, but there are other types of fluorescence in which 
electrons create a similar light source differently. Therefore, and since SPP 
depends on a light source and 1 keV electrons are possibly resonant, there 
could be something happening with water fluorescence similar to Cherenkov but 
NOT identical. It is probably related to FRET (Forster resonant energy 
transfer) instead of phase velocity. A blue glow comes from the Lyman line of 
hydrogen in any case.

The bottom line is that if SPP are involved in CNT, and in the simple device 
described in the Cooper patent - then the experimenter should be able to see a 
characteristic visible fluorescence for a period of time after the input power 
is turned off and it could be more energetic photons than the input. For 
instance, if sodium vapor lighting is used as input, the afterglow could be in 
the blue spectrum and it were the Lyman line, this would actually be more 
convincing than helium and far easier to document.

Apparently the helium measurement of the Cooper disclosure does not stand up to 
close scrutiny. It is not the only way to go. This kind of CNT reactor can be 
done with light water and an electrolyte in a partial replication which is only 
going for fluorescence, a hydrogen line and afterglow (and possibly crude water 
bath calorimetry).

Jones

RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

Bob, all

 

If Rossi can be believed, he did not use CNT (at least not originally) but
instead - his tubules are made of nickel via a proprietary process which
adds porosity and surface features.

 

Nickel is ductile and CNT are stiff and 500% stronger than nickel. But CNT
is not a spillover catalyst, like nickel. In short the original recipe can
probably be improved, and may have been improved already.

 

Given all of the info out there from various sources, it would seem that a
superior Ni-H reactor media would be composed of carbon nanotubes on which
nickel has been deposited. or preferably a nickel alloy. The Romanowski
alloys are far superior to nickel, palladium or anything else as spillover
catalysts. The citation is in the archives.

 

From: Bob Cook 

 

It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni
distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used.  

 

Jones.  Is this what you meant by:  

It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of
adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

2014-03-03 Thread Roarty, Francis X

I wonder what effect CNTs would have mixed into the precursor alloys of 
skeletal cats. Would the alloy and the leaching agents be drawn into the tube?
Fran
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:57 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

Bob, all

If Rossi can be believed, he did not use CNT (at least not originally) but 
instead - his tubules are made of nickel via a proprietary process which adds 
porosity and surface features.

Nickel is ductile and CNT are stiff and 500% stronger than nickel. But CNT is 
not a spillover catalyst, like nickel. In short the original recipe can 
probably be improved, and may have been improved already.

Given all of the info out there from various sources, it would seem that a 
superior Ni-H reactor media would be composed of carbon nanotubes on which 
nickel has been deposited... or preferably a nickel alloy. The Romanowski 
alloys are far superior to nickel, palladium or anything else as spillover 
catalysts. The citation is in the archives.

From: Bob Cook

It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni 
distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used.

Jones.  Is this what you meant by: 
It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of 
adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

Carbon is the very good material to build a very high temperature reactor
out of. It doesn't melt and stays together up to 3642 °C. Without a
doubt,  a carbon reactor and/or a tungsten one (3422 °C) is the way to go.


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  Bob, all



 If Rossi can be believed, he did not use CNT (at least not originally) but
 instead - his tubules are made of nickel via a proprietary process which
 adds porosity and surface features.



 Nickel is ductile and CNT are stiff and 500% stronger than nickel. But CNT
 is not a spillover catalyst, like nickel. In short the original recipe can
 probably be improved, and may have been improved already.



 Given all of the info out there from various sources, it would seem that a
 superior Ni-H reactor media would be composed of carbon nanotubes on which
 nickel has been deposited... or preferably a nickel alloy. The Romanowski
 alloys are far superior to nickel, palladium or anything else as spillover
 catalysts. The citation is in the archives.



 *From:* Bob Cook



 It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni
 distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used.



 Jones.  Is this what you meant by: 

 It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint
 of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

The tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction.
To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be
filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example,




On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com
 wrote:

  I wonder what effect CNTs would have mixed into the precursor alloys of
 skeletal cats. Would the alloy and the leaching agents be drawn into the
 tube?

 Fran

 *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
 *Sent:* Monday, March 03, 2014 12:57 PM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current



 Bob, all



 If Rossi can be believed, he did not use CNT (at least not originally) but
 instead - his tubules are made of nickel via a proprietary process which
 adds porosity and surface features.



 Nickel is ductile and CNT are stiff and 500% stronger than nickel. But CNT
 is not a spillover catalyst, like nickel. In short the original recipe can
 probably be improved, and may have been improved already.



 Given all of the info out there from various sources, it would seem that a
 superior Ni-H reactor media would be composed of carbon nanotubes on which
 nickel has been deposited... or preferably a nickel alloy. The Romanowski
 alloys are far superior to nickel, palladium or anything else as spillover
 catalysts. The citation is in the archives.



 *From:* Bob Cook



 It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni
 distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used.



 Jones.  Is this what you meant by: 

 It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint
 of adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?

RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

From: Axil  

the tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. To
strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be
filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example,

It's probably a lot more complicated than that. Even Ed seems to be
admitting now that there are several possible varieties of LENR :-)

In the Rossi effect - LENR may not occur in tubes, and it doesn't need to.
Or else, in Kevin's version it could happen inside tubes due to 1D
condensation. The jury is still out on that point.

However, even if CNT do not promote LENR by themselves (internally), they
could still serve the secondary purpose of powering the light source, and
SPP formation - by accelerating electrons which then produce radiation in
the visible spectrum.

Here is an interesting item that turned up. 

http://www.ece.umd.edu/~antonsen/Data/IRMMW-THz%202013/Extended%20Abstracts/
2013-09-03-Tu/TU12-6.pdf

It is not precisely on point for the Rossi effect, nor for the Cooper patent
application, but there is a strong analogy for a complex mechanism which
involves all of these factors below, operating together.

1)CNT which are hollow

2)SPP

3)Magnetic field alignment

4)Light source

5)Ni-H LENR (of some variety) to power all of the above and provide
excess heat 

The idea is that the external light source starts the reaction, as in the
Cooper patent, which is then self sustaining for a period, based on
self-generated light (or alternatively IR photons from LENR heat). 

I wish we had actual data from Cooper (and Rossi) but it is understandable
why this may not be forthcoming anytime soon.

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

2014-03-03 Thread Edmund Storms


On Mar 3, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Jones Beene wrote:

 From: Axil  
 the tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction. To 
 strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be 
 filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example,
 
 It’s probably a lot more complicated than that. Even Ed seems to be admitting 
 now that there are several possible varieties of LENR J
 

Jones, I believe several different reactions occur but they all are caused by 
the same NAE and the same mechanism. The Rossi effect creates energy by p-e-p 
fusion. The F-P effect produces energy by d-e-d fusion. Tritium is made by 
d-e-p fusion. Transmutation is caused by various metal atoms being present in 
the site where fusion occurs and they become part of the process. Transmutation 
clearly is not possible without energy that can be supplied by fusion of 
hydrogen.  All the nuclear processes are related and are part of the same basic 
process. Nature does not keep reinventing the wheel for every different 
reaction. At least that is my assumption and I sticking to it.
 


Ed Storms.

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

The plexciton is just an alternating current of electrons that vibrate at
the frequency of the infrared radiation carried by the nickel hydride
permeating the lattice of the micro-particles.

The electrons on the surface of the metal particles move freely and are
driven to vibrate by the phonons of the metal lattice of the particle.

These electrons are periodically displaced from the ions of the lattice.
This displacement causes electrons and ions to be accumulated on the
surfaces at opposite ends of the nano/micro particles. Because these
particles attract each other there is a restoring force.

This restoring force results in the formation of an electron oscillator
whose quantum is called a surface plasmon and whose frequency is determined
by the restoring force. This frequency reflects the effective mass of the
electron.

The frequency of the surface plasmon not only depends on the metals
composition of the particle but also on its size and shape, on the
dielectric material that surrounds the particle, and finally on the shape
of the particle be it either elongated or spherical because of the varied
distance between the two opposite ends.
Laser light is a poor energy source for the plexciton because laser light
is a plane wave. This type of pure EMF needs a surface imperfection to be
converted to dipole vibrations.

The best source of lattice vibration is plain old heat from a heater.




On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:


 On Mar 3, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Jones Beene wrote:

 *From:* Axil

 the tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface reaction.
 To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the tubes may be
 filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example,

 It's probably a lot more complicated than that. Even Ed seems to be
 admitting now that there are several possible varieties of LENR J


 Jones, I believe several different reactions occur but they all are caused
 by the same NAE and the same mechanism. The Rossi effect creates energy by
 p-e-p fusion. The F-P effect produces energy by d-e-d fusion. Tritium is
 made by d-e-p fusion. Transmutation is caused by various metal atoms being
 present in the site where fusion occurs and they become part of the
 process. Transmutation clearly is not possible without energy that can be
 supplied by fusion of hydrogen.  All the nuclear processes are related and
 are part of the same basic process. Nature does not keep reinventing the
 wheel for every different reaction. At least that is my assumption and I
 sticking to it.


 Ed Storms.

Re: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

Sorry. Please add this to the top of the last post:

I assert that the LENR effect is a surface effect ( aka two dimensional)
because high frequency electrons current flow exclusively on the surface of
a conducted driven by the skin effect.


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 The plexciton is just an alternating current of electrons that vibrate at
 the frequency of the infrared radiation carried by the nickel hydride
 permeating the lattice of the micro-particles.

 The electrons on the surface of the metal particles move freely and are
 driven to vibrate by the phonons of the metal lattice of the particle.

 These electrons are periodically displaced from the ions of the lattice.
 This displacement causes electrons and ions to be accumulated on the
 surfaces at opposite ends of the nano/micro particles. Because these
 particles attract each other there is a restoring force.

 This restoring force results in the formation of an electron oscillator
 whose quantum is called a surface plasmon and whose frequency is determined
 by the restoring force. This frequency reflects the effective mass of the
 electron.

 The frequency of the surface plasmon not only depends on the metals
 composition of the particle but also on its size and shape, on the
 dielectric material that surrounds the particle, and finally on the shape
 of the particle be it either elongated or spherical because of the varied
 distance between the two opposite ends.
 Laser light is a poor energy source for the plexciton because laser light
 is a plane wave. This type of pure EMF needs a surface imperfection to be
 converted to dipole vibrations.

 The best source of lattice vibration is plain old heat from a heater.




 On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:


 On Mar 3, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Jones Beene wrote:

  *From:* Axil

 the tubes should be solid because LENR is exclusively a surface
 reaction. To strengthen the tubes and provide a longer service life, the
 tubes may be filled with tough stuff like tungsten, for example,

 It's probably a lot more complicated than that. Even Ed seems to be
 admitting now that there are several possible varieties of LENR J


 Jones, I believe several different reactions occur but they all are
 caused by the same NAE and the same mechanism. The Rossi effect creates
 energy by p-e-p fusion. The F-P effect produces energy by d-e-d fusion.
 Tritium is made by d-e-p fusion. Transmutation is caused by various metal
 atoms being present in the site where fusion occurs and they become part of
 the process. Transmutation clearly is not possible without energy that can
 be supplied by fusion of hydrogen.  All the nuclear processes are related
 and are part of the same basic process. Nature does not keep reinventing
 the wheel for every different reaction. At least that is my assumption and
 I sticking to it.


 Ed Storms.

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

  - Original Message - 
  From: Roarty, Francis X 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:13 AM
  Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

  I wonder what effect CNTs would have mixed into the precursor alloys of 
skeletal cats. Would the alloy and the leaching agents be drawn into the tube?

  Fran 

  From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 12:57 PM
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
  Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current

  Bob, all

  If Rossi can be believed, he did not use CNT (at least not originally) but 
instead - his tubules are made of nickel via a proprietary process which adds 
porosity and surface features.

  Nickel is ductile and CNT are stiff and 500% stronger than nickel. But CNT is 
not a spillover catalyst, like nickel. In short the original recipe can 
probably be improved, and may have been improved already.

  Given all of the info out there from various sources, it would seem that a 
superior Ni-H reactor media would be composed of carbon nanotubes on which 
nickel has been deposited. or preferably a nickel alloy. The Romanowski alloys 
are far superior to nickel, palladium or anything else as spillover catalysts. 
The citation is in the archives.

  From: Bob Cook 

  It sounds like Jones thinks that a combination of CNT's (the hairs) and Ni 
distributed on their surface some how is what Rossi has used.  

  Jones.  Is this what you meant by:  

  It would probably be more productive to come at this from the standpoint of 
adding something to CNT instead of subtracting something from nickel?

Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Resonant photons for CNT ring current