RE: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst
From: Brian Ahern ➢ The calcium is more than intriguing. It could finally knock down the door for lenr. Out of curiosity – in googling and checking for Mills patents which specifically mention calcium, and which could be relevant to the Mizuno breakthrough, there is one notable monstrosity of interest, US Patent # 6,024,935 For those who do not believe in coincidences – this landmark has recently expired … when? You ask … …that would be: ta da … TODAY (August 1) ! Supposedly this patent disclosure held the record for length and number of claims at USPTO for years - and it probably cost more to file and maintain than anything before or after.. In fact, the Patent office reportedly changed the filing guidelines in response to this tour de force, but alas for Mills it may be of little real value since he could not bring a device to market soon enough. Even expired – those who know Mills expect he will somehow get his foot in the door… and possibly he deserves some credit – if only for the complexity of the patent disclosure. US Patent # 6,024,935 (February 15, 2000) Lower-Energy Hydrogen Methods and Structures by Randell Mills, et al. https://patents.google.com/patent/US6024935A/en A detail which stands out is that calcium works as a compound as a compound with arsenic. Let’s hope Mizuno’s water contained no arsenic. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst
The calcium is more than intriguing. It could finally knock down the door for lenr. From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 12:06 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst Alan should make sure ethanol vs =methnol does not make any difference in the deposition of caco3 crystals on the Ni mesh.Jed should ask Mizuno about this question. Bob Cook Sent from Mail<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986=02%7C01%7C%7C80f2a8efa54649bc25b108d715d112ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637001860014053599=qtj7OJ2Dh2CYHkH3Q%2BXCAfEW7nsMedSk262v9KCgCho%3D=0> for Windows 10 From: Axil Axil Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 9:15:19 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o%2Fedit=02%7C01%7C%7C80f2a8efa54649bc25b108d715d112ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637001860014063592=Z29v5F%2FTJVRxE%2BL90aPUrM1Aq3SHpANMT8uKQEeWP24%3D=0> Calcium as a LENR catalyst??? On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:43 PM JonesBeene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: Thanks Jeff – This could be important. Limelight – as old-fashioned as it may seem at first - has long been claimed to have a number of optical properties which look like they are related to hydrino creation. On a related topic, and looking at Fig.3 in the first cited paper, which is the emission spectra of calcium sulfate, the peak is at 580 nm. Coincidentally (or not) the palladium optical anomaly where the metal switches sharply from photon reflector to perfect absorber is at 590 nm. That would only be relevant if calcium carbonate has its peak at about the same value. There are a number of reasons to think the Mizuno breakthrough relates more to Mills’ theory than to LENR. Jones From: Jeff Driscoll<mailto:jef...@gmail.com> and calcium oxide is a candoluminescent material where limelight is given off when hydrogen is exposed to the material at high temperature: http://zhydrogen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Candoluminescence-of-cave-gypsum.pdf<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fzhydrogen.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F06%2FCandoluminescence-of-cave-gypsum.pdf=02%7C01%7C%7C80f2a8efa54649bc25b108d715d112ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637001860014073603=BbfcWrPsu30HmgvdeyyKPZr4VxnTWFBtAAYEsu4U2gE%3D=0> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXl6H7G6BMU<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DEXl6H7G6BMU=02%7C01%7C%7C80f2a8efa54649bc25b108d715d112ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637001860014083615=RPY3hrN8C6REUOjbCp2pfbuLLwurdLphQlQIWN4ohn4%3D=0> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limelight<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLimelight=02%7C01%7C%7C80f2a8efa54649bc25b108d715d112ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637001860014093620=iPUf4F1Q95lYv76xyu5GS2mxE0Hm1NsbhjLYYoJ9hS8%3D=0> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:26 PM Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: For those who have not carefully followed Mills' work on dense hydrogen (hydrino) - calcium is listed as a favored catalyst. This could be important (or not) in the context of the recent Mizuno breakthrough ... certainly it has not been mentioned before but perhaps it should be (at least listed as a possibility) due to a few other related details. The Rydberg level for Ca is the fifth - 1/5 as it is inverted and notably calcium is the one of the few for this level of shrinkage. There is complementary catalysis with the other potential catalysts present, since there is palladium - first level, oxygen/carbonate ion - 2nd level, nickel 7th and 11th and now calcium in the middle - so that there is a deepening progression which could set up a cascade of some kind. If one is not tied down to any particular M.O. or theory - then this spread of catalysis values could be relevant in the context of Alan Goldwater's new report on his early stage effort at replication where he finds calcium: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o%2Fedit=02%7C01%7C%7C80f2a8efa54649bc25b108d715d112ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637001860014103631=FEbqtbQzlp4TxXMZpKwOzzQUuEsH1DZzbdKqXPIm7KM%3D=0> Really nice insight by Alan. -- Jeff Driscoll 617-290-1998
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An acetone rinse will get the water out. From: Mark Jurich Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 4:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst FYI: Here’s a blurb on Ethanol Purification: https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Ethanol#Purification<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newworldencyclopedia.org%2Fentry%2FEthanol%23Purification=02%7C01%7C%7Ca67838e26c804ee0f10f08d715f53399%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637002015200455562=HAGGyLON4F6ubeOzlJBHxmhfxcqx2GtWYzEf5imguAQ%3D=0> … So it now seems there are a couple ways of not using Benzene to remove the remaining water. I am not sure how Rossville is now performing their purification, so inquiring would be useful if interested. - Mark From: Mark Jurich Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 12:44 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst ROSSVILLE GOLD SHIELD ETHYL ALCOHOL C2H5OH 200 POOF ONE U.S. Pint (473 ML) GOLD SHIELD CHEMICAL CO. HAYWARD, CA 94545 D.S.P. – CALIF. – 151 (Use to be in a Glass Container, now Plastic :( ) (STAMP SEAL, but the purification process usually leaves trace amounts of benzene, so please do NOT drink it!) Happy Hunting, Mark Jurich
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Thanks Mark. Sigma does have it "tax paid" for $124 / liter. I may order some, but I consider it a low priority until we can get some details on what Mizuno uses. I might also try Everclear, (95% Ethanol) which is only $19 at Liquor Barn. But the 5% residual water might affect the Calcite crystals. If the results weren't satisfactory, I could always add more water and drink it AlanG On 7/31/2019 12:44 PM, Mark Jurich wrote: ROSSVILLE GOLD SHIELD ETHYL ALCOHOL C2H5OH 200 POOF ONE U.S. Pint (473 ML) GOLD SHIELD CHEMICAL CO. HAYWARD, CA 94545 D.S.P. – CALIF. – 151 (Use to be in a Glass Container, now Plastic L) (STAMP SEAL, but the purification process usually leaves trace amounts of benzene, so please do NOT drink it!) Happy Hunting, Mark Jurich *From:*AlanG *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2019 11:25 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst Ethanol is usually available in the US only as denatured Ethanol, even as "reagent grade". The additives are usually Methanol and Isopropyl, at up to 10% by volume. For that reason, I have not done the test using pure Ethanol, and we don't know what Mizuno used anyway. I did confirm that CaCO3 is insoluble in alcohols. I have also added a reference in my document related to the complex ionic chemistry of CaCO3 in aqueous solution. Regarding your second comment, note that Methanol is not added to the water soak solution, but is only used as a final rinse following the soak at 90°C, as specified by Mizuno. Such final rinsing is often done in chemical processes to remove residual water. AlanG On 7/31/2019 9:06 AM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com <mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote: Alan should make sure ethanol vs =methnol does not make any difference in the deposition of caco3 crystals on the Ni mesh.Jed should ask Mizuno about this question. Bob Cook Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 *From:* Axil Axil <mailto:janap...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2019 9:15:19 PM *To:* vortex-l <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit Calcium as a LENR catalyst??? On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:43 PM JonesBeene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: Thanks Jeff – This could be important. Limelight – as old-fashioned as it may seem at first - has long been claimed to have a number of optical properties which look like they are related to hydrino creation. On a related topic, and looking at Fig.3 in the first cited paper, which is the emission spectra of calcium sulfate, the peak is at 580 nm. Coincidentally (or not) the palladium optical anomaly where the metal switches sharply from photon reflector to perfect absorber is at 590 nm. That would only be relevant if calcium carbonate has its peak at about the same value. There are a number of reasons to think the Mizuno breakthrough relates more to Mills’ theory than to LENR. Jones *From: *Jeff Driscoll <mailto:jef...@gmail.com> and calcium oxide is a candoluminescent material where limelight is given off when hydrogen is exposed to the material at high temperature: http://zhydrogen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Candoluminescence-of-cave-gypsum.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXl6H7G6BMU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limelight On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:26 PM Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: For those who have not carefully followed Mills' work on dense hydrogen (hydrino) - calcium is listed as a favored catalyst. This could be important (or not) in the context of the recent Mizuno breakthrough ... certainly it has not been mentioned before but perhaps it should be (at least listed as a possibility) due to a few other related details. The Rydberg level for Ca is the fifth - 1/5 as it is inverted and notably calcium is the one of the few for this level of shrinkage. There is complementary catalysis with the other potential catalysts present, since there is palladium - first level, oxygen/carbonate ion - 2nd level, nickel 7th and 11th and now calcium in the middle - so that there is a deepening progression which could set up a cascade of some kind. If one is not tied down to any particular M.O. or theory - then this spread of catalysis values could be relevant in the context of Ala
RE: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst
FYI: Here's a blurb on Ethanol Purification: https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Ethanol#Purification ... So it now seems there are a couple ways of not using Benzene to remove the remaining water. I am not sure how Rossville is now performing their purification, so inquiring would be useful if interested. - Mark From: Mark Jurich Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 12:44 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst ROSSVILLE GOLD SHIELD ETHYL ALCOHOL C2H5OH 200 POOF ONE U.S. Pint (473 ML) GOLD SHIELD CHEMICAL CO. HAYWARD, CA 94545 D.S.P. - CALIF. - 151 (Use to be in a Glass Container, now Plastic :( ) (STAMP SEAL, but the purification process usually leaves trace amounts of benzene, so please do NOT drink it!) Happy Hunting, Mark Jurich
RE: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst
ROSSVILLE GOLD SHIELD ETHYL ALCOHOL C2H5OH 200 POOF ONE U.S. Pint (473 ML) GOLD SHIELD CHEMICAL CO. HAYWARD, CA 94545 D.S.P. - CALIF. - 151 (Use to be in a Glass Container, now Plastic :( ) (STAMP SEAL, but the purification process usually leaves trace amounts of benzene, so please do NOT drink it!) Happy Hunting, Mark Jurich From: AlanG Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 11:25 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst Ethanol is usually available in the US only as denatured Ethanol, even as "reagent grade". The additives are usually Methanol and Isopropyl, at up to 10% by volume. For that reason, I have not done the test using pure Ethanol, and we don't know what Mizuno used anyway. I did confirm that CaCO3 is insoluble in alcohols. I have also added a reference in my document related to the complex ionic chemistry of CaCO3 in aqueous solution. Regarding your second comment, note that Methanol is not added to the water soak solution, but is only used as a final rinse following the soak at 90°C, as specified by Mizuno. Such final rinsing is often done in chemical processes to remove residual water. AlanG On 7/31/2019 9:06 AM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com<mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote: Alan should make sure ethanol vs =methnol does not make any difference in the deposition of caco3 crystals on the Ni mesh.Jed should ask Mizuno about this question. Bob Cook Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Axil Axil <mailto:janap...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 9:15:19 PM To: vortex-l <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit Calcium as a LENR catalyst??? On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:43 PM JonesBeene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: Thanks Jeff - This could be important. Limelight - as old-fashioned as it may seem at first - has long been claimed to have a number of optical properties which look like they are related to hydrino creation. On a related topic, and looking at Fig.3 in the first cited paper, which is the emission spectra of calcium sulfate, the peak is at 580 nm. Coincidentally (or not) the palladium optical anomaly where the metal switches sharply from photon reflector to perfect absorber is at 590 nm. That would only be relevant if calcium carbonate has its peak at about the same value. There are a number of reasons to think the Mizuno breakthrough relates more to Mills' theory than to LENR. Jones From: Jeff Driscoll<mailto:jef...@gmail.com> and calcium oxide is a candoluminescent material where limelight is given off when hydrogen is exposed to the material at high temperature: http://zhydrogen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Candoluminescence-of-cave-gypsum.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXl6H7G6BMU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limelight On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:26 PM Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: For those who have not carefully followed Mills' work on dense hydrogen (hydrino) - calcium is listed as a favored catalyst. This could be important (or not) in the context of the recent Mizuno breakthrough ... certainly it has not been mentioned before but perhaps it should be (at least listed as a possibility) due to a few other related details. The Rydberg level for Ca is the fifth - 1/5 as it is inverted and notably calcium is the one of the few for this level of shrinkage. There is complementary catalysis with the other potential catalysts present, since there is palladium - first level, oxygen/carbonate ion - 2nd level, nickel 7th and 11th and now calcium in the middle - so that there is a deepening progression which could set up a cascade of some kind. If one is not tied down to any particular M.O. or theory - then this spread of catalysis values could be relevant in the context of Alan Goldwater's new report on his early stage effort at replication where he finds calcium: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit Really nice insight by Alan. -- Jeff Driscoll 617-290-1998
Re: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst
Ethanol is usually available in the US only as denatured Ethanol, even as "reagent grade". The additives are usually Methanol and Isopropyl, at up to 10% by volume. For that reason, I have not done the test using pure Ethanol, and we don't know what Mizuno used anyway. I did confirm that CaCO3 is insoluble in alcohols. I have also added a reference in my document related to the complex ionic chemistry of CaCO3 in aqueous solution. Regarding your second comment, note that Methanol is not added to the water soak solution, but is only used as a final rinse following the soak at 90°C, as specified by Mizuno. Such final rinsing is often done in chemical processes to remove residual water. AlanG On 7/31/2019 9:06 AM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote: Alan should make sure ethanol vs =methnol does not make any difference in the deposition of caco3 crystals on the Ni mesh.Jed should ask Mizuno about this question. Bob Cook Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 *From:* Axil Axil *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2019 9:15:19 PM *To:* vortex-l *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit Calcium as a LENR catalyst??? On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:43 PM JonesBeene <mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: Thanks Jeff – This could be important. Limelight – as old-fashioned as it may seem at first - has long been claimed to have a number of optical properties which look like they are related to hydrino creation. On a related topic, and looking at Fig.3 in the first cited paper, which is the emission spectra of calcium sulfate, the peak is at 580 nm. Coincidentally (or not) the palladium optical anomaly where the metal switches sharply from photon reflector to perfect absorber is at 590 nm. That would only be relevant if calcium carbonate has its peak at about the same value. There are a number of reasons to think the Mizuno breakthrough relates more to Mills’ theory than to LENR. Jones *From: *Jeff Driscoll <mailto:jef...@gmail.com> and calcium oxide is a candoluminescent material where limelight is given off when hydrogen is exposed to the material at high temperature: http://zhydrogen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Candoluminescence-of-cave-gypsum.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXl6H7G6BMU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limelight On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:26 PM Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: For those who have not carefully followed Mills' work on dense hydrogen (hydrino) - calcium is listed as a favored catalyst. This could be important (or not) in the context of the recent Mizuno breakthrough ... certainly it has not been mentioned before but perhaps it should be (at least listed as a possibility) due to a few other related details. The Rydberg level for Ca is the fifth - 1/5 as it is inverted and notably calcium is the one of the few for this level of shrinkage. There is complementary catalysis with the other potential catalysts present, since there is palladium - first level, oxygen/carbonate ion - 2nd level, nickel 7th and 11th and now calcium in the middle - so that there is a deepening progression which could set up a cascade of some kind. If one is not tied down to any particular M.O. or theory - then this spread of catalysis values could be relevant in the context of Alan Goldwater's new report on his early stage effort at replication where he finds calcium: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit Really nice insight by Alan. -- Jeff Driscoll 617-290-1998
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The different reactions of methanol and ethanol with micro defects on the Ni mesh may affect subtle resonant reactions of Ca ions left in the surface defects from the tap water. Also the anions in the water may act differently with the alcohols during during nucleation of the CaCO3 crystals. Florine or iodine in the water may make a substantial difference in the micro chemistry which forms the observed deposits of the crystalline Ca compound initially at the Ni interfasce. Bob Cook From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:06:37 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst Alan should make sure ethanol vs =methnol does not make any difference in the deposition of caco3 crystals on the Ni mesh.Jed should ask Mizuno about this question. Bob Cook Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Axil Axil Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 9:15:19 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit Calcium as a LENR catalyst??? On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:43 PM JonesBeene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: Thanks Jeff – This could be important. Limelight – as old-fashioned as it may seem at first - has long been claimed to have a number of optical properties which look like they are related to hydrino creation. On a related topic, and looking at Fig.3 in the first cited paper, which is the emission spectra of calcium sulfate, the peak is at 580 nm. Coincidentally (or not) the palladium optical anomaly where the metal switches sharply from photon reflector to perfect absorber is at 590 nm. That would only be relevant if calcium carbonate has its peak at about the same value. There are a number of reasons to think the Mizuno breakthrough relates more to Mills’ theory than to LENR. Jones From: Jeff Driscoll<mailto:jef...@gmail.com> and calcium oxide is a candoluminescent material where limelight is given off when hydrogen is exposed to the material at high temperature: http://zhydrogen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Candoluminescence-of-cave-gypsum.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXl6H7G6BMU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limelight On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:26 PM Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: For those who have not carefully followed Mills' work on dense hydrogen (hydrino) - calcium is listed as a favored catalyst. This could be important (or not) in the context of the recent Mizuno breakthrough ... certainly it has not been mentioned before but perhaps it should be (at least listed as a possibility) due to a few other related details. The Rydberg level for Ca is the fifth - 1/5 as it is inverted and notably calcium is the one of the few for this level of shrinkage. There is complementary catalysis with the other potential catalysts present, since there is palladium - first level, oxygen/carbonate ion - 2nd level, nickel 7th and 11th and now calcium in the middle - so that there is a deepening progression which could set up a cascade of some kind. If one is not tied down to any particular M.O. or theory - then this spread of catalysis values could be relevant in the context of Alan Goldwater's new report on his early stage effort at replication where he finds calcium: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit Really nice insight by Alan. -- Jeff Driscoll 617-290-1998
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Alan should make sure ethanol vs =methnol does not make any difference in the deposition of caco3 crystals on the Ni mesh.Jed should ask Mizuno about this question. Bob Cook Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Axil Axil Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 9:15:19 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit Calcium as a LENR catalyst??? On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:43 PM JonesBeene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: Thanks Jeff – This could be important. Limelight – as old-fashioned as it may seem at first - has long been claimed to have a number of optical properties which look like they are related to hydrino creation. On a related topic, and looking at Fig.3 in the first cited paper, which is the emission spectra of calcium sulfate, the peak is at 580 nm. Coincidentally (or not) the palladium optical anomaly where the metal switches sharply from photon reflector to perfect absorber is at 590 nm. That would only be relevant if calcium carbonate has its peak at about the same value. There are a number of reasons to think the Mizuno breakthrough relates more to Mills’ theory than to LENR. Jones From: Jeff Driscoll<mailto:jef...@gmail.com> and calcium oxide is a candoluminescent material where limelight is given off when hydrogen is exposed to the material at high temperature: http://zhydrogen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Candoluminescence-of-cave-gypsum.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXl6H7G6BMU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limelight On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:26 PM Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: For those who have not carefully followed Mills' work on dense hydrogen (hydrino) - calcium is listed as a favored catalyst. This could be important (or not) in the context of the recent Mizuno breakthrough ... certainly it has not been mentioned before but perhaps it should be (at least listed as a possibility) due to a few other related details. The Rydberg level for Ca is the fifth - 1/5 as it is inverted and notably calcium is the one of the few for this level of shrinkage. There is complementary catalysis with the other potential catalysts present, since there is palladium - first level, oxygen/carbonate ion - 2nd level, nickel 7th and 11th and now calcium in the middle - so that there is a deepening progression which could set up a cascade of some kind. If one is not tied down to any particular M.O. or theory - then this spread of catalysis values could be relevant in the context of Alan Goldwater's new report on his early stage effort at replication where he finds calcium: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit Really nice insight by Alan. -- Jeff Driscoll 617-290-1998
RE: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst
Arnaud – yes, thanks for mentioning that there are a number of LENR papers where calcium and palladium show up together in a sandwich of sorts. Actually there are quite a few papers, including many from Italian researchers. This opens up a curious situation. Typically… in the LENR specific papers there will be the unmistakable sign of nuclear activity such as transmutation and radioactivity. These are totally and completely absent from Mills work. (his IP depends on it) Like Mills, Mizuno shows none of that proof of nuclear activity in this experiment - yet both types show substantial excess heat. And notably for Mizuno, as for Mills, nickel is by far the most available catalyst which may indicate several details which other have long believed to be true. These would include 1) Mills describes the early stages of a gainful reaction which does not eventually proceed further to show signs of nuclear activity. 2) LENR shows these signs if the experiment continues for long enough and without a host matrix which inhibits full “shrinkage” of hydrogen 3) Densification of hydrogen will therefore proceed to a nuclear outcome unless the main host metal inhibits that outcome. 4) Palladium does not inhibit a nuclear outcome and in fact promotes it 5) The presence of nickel seems to inhibit the progression of the reaction at a certain point - so that a nuclear outcome is avoided while anomalous heat is evident. 6) The inhibition of a nuclear outcome could relate to ferromagnetism in nickel ! 7) Mills entire body of IP is built around the lack of nuclear reaction – so he will almost always use mostly nickel to avoid the nuclear end result 8) The Mizuno breakthrough has ZERO mention of any nuclear outcome, and he uses mostly nickel 9) Thus – connecting the dots - the Mizuno experiment is closer to Mills than it is to LENR and in fact illustrates the merger of the two technologies and the clear dividing line which is a ferromagnetic host. Therefore and in conclusion – one premise to consider in the “big picture” is that LENR and Hydrino-tech are different aspects of the same underlying dynamics. Palladium is far more active than nickel but when most of the palladium has been switched over to nickel – the result will look more like a Mills experiment since the nickel has effectively stopped the progression of shrinkage – possibly at the 1/11 Rydberg level. Lots of excess heat with little of no other signs of nuclear activity. Jones From: Arnaud Kodeck Jones, Keep in mind that CacO3 decomposes to CaO in a dynamic vacuum with a temperature as low as 200°C. In the backing process in dynamic vacuum, the crystal CaCO3 in the mesh is decomposed to CaO. CaO has been recognized as a catalyst of LENR by another team in Japan (Permeation of D2 in a layered Pd/CaO sandwich) Arnaud From: JonesBeene Thanks Jeff – This could be important. Limelight – as old-fashioned as it may seem at first - has long been claimed to have a number of optical properties which look like they are related to hydrino creation. On a related topic, and looking at Fig.3 in the first cited paper, which is the emission spectra of calcium sulfate, the peak is at 580 nm. Coincidentally (or not) the palladium optical anomaly where the metal switches sharply from photon reflector to perfect absorber is at 590 nm. That would only be relevant if calcium carbonate has its peak at about the same value. There are a number of reasons to think the Mizuno breakthrough relates more to Mills’ theory than to LENR. Jones From: Jeff Driscoll and calcium oxide is a candoluminescent material where limelight is given off when hydrogen is exposed to the material at high temperature: http://zhydrogen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Candoluminescence-of-cave-gypsum.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXl6H7G6BMU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limelight For those who have not carefully followed Mills' work on dense hydrogen (hydrino) - calcium is listed as a favored catalyst. This could be important (or not) in the context of the recent Mizuno breakthrough ... certainly it has not been mentioned before but perhaps it should be (at least listed as a possibility) due to a few other related details. The Rydberg level for Ca is the fifth - 1/5 as it is inverted and notably calcium is the one of the few for this level of shrinkage. There is complementary catalysis with the other potential catalysts present, since there is palladium - first level, oxygen/carbonate ion - 2nd level, nickel 7th and 11th and now calcium in the middle - so that there is a deepening progression which could set up a cascade of some kind. If one is not tied down to any particular M.O. or theory - then this spread of catalysis values could be relevant in the context of Alan Goldwater's new report on his early stage effort at replication where he finds calcium:
RE: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst
Jones, Keep in mind that CacO3 decomposes to CaO in a dynamic vacuum with a temperature as low as 200°C. In the backing process in dynamic vacuum, the crystal CaCO3 in the mesh is decomposed to CaO. CaO has been recognized as a catalyst of LENR by another team in Japan (Permeation of D2 in a layered Pd/CaO sandwich) Arnaud From: JonesBeene Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2019 04:44 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst Thanks Jeff – This could be important. Limelight – as old-fashioned as it may seem at first - has long been claimed to have a number of optical properties which look like they are related to hydrino creation. On a related topic, and looking at Fig.3 in the first cited paper, which is the emission spectra of calcium sulfate, the peak is at 580 nm. Coincidentally (or not) the palladium optical anomaly where the metal switches sharply from photon reflector to perfect absorber is at 590 nm. That would only be relevant if calcium carbonate has its peak at about the same value. There are a number of reasons to think the Mizuno breakthrough relates more to Mills’ theory than to LENR. Jones From: Jeff Driscoll <mailto:jef...@gmail.com> and calcium oxide is a candoluminescent material where limelight is given off when hydrogen is exposed to the material at high temperature: http://zhydrogen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Candoluminescence-of-cave-gypsum.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXl6H7G6BMU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limelight On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:26 PM Jones Beene mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> > wrote: For those who have not carefully followed Mills' work on dense hydrogen (hydrino) - calcium is listed as a favored catalyst. This could be important (or not) in the context of the recent Mizuno breakthrough ... certainly it has not been mentioned before but perhaps it should be (at least listed as a possibility) due to a few other related details. The Rydberg level for Ca is the fifth - 1/5 as it is inverted and notably calcium is the one of the few for this level of shrinkage. There is complementary catalysis with the other potential catalysts present, since there is palladium - first level, oxygen/carbonate ion - 2nd level, nickel 7th and 11th and now calcium in the middle - so that there is a deepening progression which could set up a cascade of some kind. If one is not tied down to any particular M.O. or theory - then this spread of catalysis values could be relevant in the context of Alan Goldwater's new report on his early stage effort at replication where he finds calcium: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit Really nice insight by Alan. -- Jeff Driscoll 617-290-1998
Re: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit Calcium as a LENR catalyst??? On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:43 PM JonesBeene wrote: > Thanks Jeff – > > > > This could be important. Limelight – as old-fashioned as it may seem at > first - has long been claimed to have a number of optical properties which > look like they are related to hydrino creation. > > > > On a related topic, and looking at Fig.3 in the first cited paper, which > is the emission spectra of calcium sulfate, the peak is at 580 nm. > > > > Coincidentally (or not) the palladium optical anomaly where the metal > switches sharply from photon reflector to perfect absorber is at 590 nm. > That would only be relevant if calcium carbonate has its peak at about the > same value. > > > > There are a number of reasons to think the Mizuno breakthrough relates > more to Mills’ theory than to LENR. > > > > Jones > > > > > > *From: *Jeff Driscoll > > > > and calcium oxide is a candoluminescent material where limelight is given > off when hydrogen is exposed to the material at high temperature: > > > > > http://zhydrogen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Candoluminescence-of-cave-gypsum.pdf > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXl6H7G6BMU > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limelight > > > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:26 PM Jones Beene wrote: > > For those who have not carefully followed Mills' work on dense hydrogen > (hydrino) - calcium is listed as a favored catalyst. This could be > important (or not) in the context of the recent Mizuno breakthrough ... > certainly it has not been mentioned before but perhaps it should be (at > least listed as a possibility) due to a few other related details. > > > > The Rydberg level for Ca is the fifth - 1/5 as it is inverted and notably > calcium is the one of the few for this level of shrinkage. There is > complementary catalysis with the other potential catalysts present, since > there is palladium - first level, oxygen/carbonate ion - 2nd level, nickel > 7th and 11th and now calcium in the middle - so that there is a deepening > progression which could set up a cascade of some kind. > > > > If one is not tied down to any particular M.O. or theory - then this > spread of catalysis values could be relevant in the context of Alan > Goldwater's new report on his early stage effort at replication where he > finds calcium: > > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit > > > > Really nice insight by Alan. > > > > > > > -- > > Jeff Driscoll > 617-290-1998 > > >
RE: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst
Thanks Jeff – This could be important. Limelight – as old-fashioned as it may seem at first - has long been claimed to have a number of optical properties which look like they are related to hydrino creation. On a related topic, and looking at Fig.3 in the first cited paper, which is the emission spectra of calcium sulfate, the peak is at 580 nm. Coincidentally (or not) the palladium optical anomaly where the metal switches sharply from photon reflector to perfect absorber is at 590 nm. That would only be relevant if calcium carbonate has its peak at about the same value. There are a number of reasons to think the Mizuno breakthrough relates more to Mills’ theory than to LENR. Jones From: Jeff Driscoll and calcium oxide is a candoluminescent material where limelight is given off when hydrogen is exposed to the material at high temperature: http://zhydrogen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Candoluminescence-of-cave-gypsum.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXl6H7G6BMU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limelight On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:26 PM Jones Beene wrote: For those who have not carefully followed Mills' work on dense hydrogen (hydrino) - calcium is listed as a favored catalyst. This could be important (or not) in the context of the recent Mizuno breakthrough ... certainly it has not been mentioned before but perhaps it should be (at least listed as a possibility) due to a few other related details. The Rydberg level for Ca is the fifth - 1/5 as it is inverted and notably calcium is the one of the few for this level of shrinkage. There is complementary catalysis with the other potential catalysts present, since there is palladium - first level, oxygen/carbonate ion - 2nd level, nickel 7th and 11th and now calcium in the middle - so that there is a deepening progression which could set up a cascade of some kind. If one is not tied down to any particular M.O. or theory - then this spread of catalysis values could be relevant in the context of Alan Goldwater's new report on his early stage effort at replication where he finds calcium: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit Really nice insight by Alan. -- Jeff Driscoll 617-290-1998
Re: [Vo]:Calcium as a Mills catalyst
and calcium oxide is a candoluminescent material where limelight is given off when hydrogen is exposed to the material at high temperature: http://zhydrogen.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Candoluminescence-of-cave-gypsum.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXl6H7G6BMU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limelight On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:26 PM Jones Beene wrote: > For those who have not carefully followed Mills' work on dense hydrogen > (hydrino) - calcium is listed as a favored catalyst. This could be > important (or not) in the context of the recent Mizuno breakthrough ... > certainly it has not been mentioned before but perhaps it should be (at > least listed as a possibility) due to a few other related details. > > The Rydberg level for Ca is the fifth - 1/5 as it is inverted and notably > calcium is the one of the few for this level of shrinkage. There is > complementary catalysis with the other potential catalysts present, since > there is palladium - first level, oxygen/carbonate ion - 2nd level, nickel > 7th and 11th and now calcium in the middle - so that there is a deepening > progression which could set up a cascade of some kind. > > If one is not tied down to any particular M.O. or theory - then this > spread of catalysis values could be relevant in the context of Alan > Goldwater's new report on his early stage effort at replication where he > finds calcium: > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/16dP_SmSP8SuQbZ7p9eGoCwf1vwJKh7KPL7NAYv7j13o/edit > > Really nice insight by Alan. > > -- Jeff Driscoll 617-290-1998
