Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
On 2011-11-21 12:41, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Ok, its time to spread some new rumours, to avoid boredness: I just found this on the Facebook Rossi Cold Fusion fan page: Giuliano Bettini On the Defkalion - Piantelli connection. http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/11/domani-rossi-alla-state-house-del.html 23 novembre 2011 13:17 Daniele 22passi ha detto... @tutti Roy Virgilio categorically denied to me any connection between Defkalion Piantelli and, in fact it is quite angry: they used a picture (one of the Piantelli’s device to prepare the nickel powder) without asking permission ... stuff to police report! So, no connection between Piantelli and Defkalion GT. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: So, no connection between Piantelli and Defkalion GT. That's actually good news. We will have three NiH reactor manufacturers in competition. T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: That's actually good news. We will have three NiH reactor manufacturers in competition. And not a one of them subjected to proper independent testing yet.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: And not a one of them subjected to proper independent testing yet. Good morning! I wondered when we would hear from you. Some real e-caterwauling in the ole trap last night, eh? T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
On 2011-11-21 12:41, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Ok, its time to spread some new rumours, to avoid boredness: http://www.tovima.gr/files/1/2011/11/18/Piantelli-engine%5B1%5D.jpg Also add, from this article, the information that Rossi sought collaboration with Piantelli in 2007, but in the end turned instead to Focardi. I haven't read this anywhere else. This is either a complete journalistic invention (or at the very least severe misunderstanding) or information that Defkalion GT provided. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=508 DGT moderators' behavior doesn't help. They say that they never answer to comments based on speculations, but they somewhat did here. A simple no comment would have been clearer. Cheers, S.A.
Aw: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
It is impossible to ignore, that their latest devices look like Piantelli devices and not like Rossi devices: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/DGT_PRESS%20RELEASE_2011-11-14.pdf ;-) - Original Nachricht Von: Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 21.11.2011 12:59 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology! On 2011-11-21 12:41, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Ok, its time to spread some new rumours, to avoid boredness: http://www.tovima.gr/files/1/2011/11/18/Piantelli-engine%5B1%5D.jpg Also add, from this article, the information that Rossi sought collaboration with Piantelli in 2007, but in the end turned instead to Focardi. I haven't read this anywhere else. This is either a complete journalistic invention (or at the very least severe misunderstanding) or information that Defkalion GT provided. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=508 DGT moderators' behavior doesn't help. They say that they never answer to comments based on speculations, but they somewhat did here. A simple no comment would have been clearer. Cheers, S.A.
Re: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
Hmm, MY has already posted comments on thenextbigfuture concerning this same piece of news... She hasn't shown up here yet. Odd.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
On 2011-11-21 12:41, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Ok, its time to spread some new rumours, to avoid boredness: http://www.tovima.gr/files/1/2011/11/18/Piantelli-engine%5B1%5D.jpg http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=508 By the way, it appears that Christos Stremmenos wrote a comment in the Tovima article linked, which he translated in Italian on JONP: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=14#comment-125963 I'll attempt a translation of his convoluted Italian to English below: I feel responsible for the transfer and the fate of Rossi's invention (Cold Fusion) in Greece, and also guardian of the moral values it contains. With scientific and idealistic motives, involving my friends, colleagues and long-term partners eng. A.Rossi and prof. S.Focardi, protagonists of this epoch-making invention, we attempted together to transmit to Greece the science and technological possibilities for a promising future in this country, birthplace of Democritus and Leucippus, and with this symbolism, to promote the new energetic era for the sake of the entire humanity. As for what matters the Greek company Defkalion Green Technologies SA, unfortunately and much to my regret, I find myself with mixed feelings for the frivolous and incoherent, to say the least, general behavior and documented financial breach of contract with A.Rossi that lasted almost a year. I'll conclude with a wise popular saying from my birthplace Ervytania: The poor's lamb can't become a ram. Prof.Ch. Stremmenos Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
What did he mean by that? I don't know how should a view that message. 2011/11/21 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2011-11-21 12:41, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Ok, its time to spread some new rumours, to avoid boredness: http://www.tovima.gr/files/1/**2011/11/18/Piantelli-engine%**5B1%5D.jpghttp://www.tovima.gr/files/1/2011/11/18/Piantelli-engine%5B1%5D.jpg http://www.defkalion-energy.**com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=**508http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=508 By the way, it appears that Christos Stremmenos wrote a comment in the Tovima article linked, which he translated in Italian on JONP: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?p=516cpage=14#** comment-125963http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=14#comment-125963 I'll attempt a translation of his convoluted Italian to English below: I feel responsible for the transfer and the fate of Rossi's invention (Cold Fusion) in Greece, and also guardian of the moral values it contains. With scientific and idealistic motives, involving my friends, colleagues and long-term partners eng. A.Rossi and prof. S.Focardi, protagonists of this epoch-making invention, we attempted together to transmit to Greece the science and technological possibilities for a promising future in this country, birthplace of Democritus and Leucippus, and with this symbolism, to promote the new energetic era for the sake of the entire humanity. As for what matters the Greek company Defkalion Green Technologies SA, unfortunately and much to my regret, I find myself with mixed feelings for the frivolous and incoherent, to say the least, general behavior and documented financial breach of contract with A.Rossi that lasted almost a year. I'll conclude with a wise popular saying from my birthplace Ervytania: The poor's lamb can't become a ram. Prof.Ch. Stremmenos Cheers, S.A. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
On 2011-11-21 13:54, Daniel Rocha wrote: What did he mean by that? I don't know how should a view that message. In very few words, that he is not happy with what Defkalion GT is doing and has been doing so far. Sorry, this is not really related with the OP regarding a possible Piantelli involvement. I should have posted this as a new thread. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
What I don't really understand is if he is implying that Defkalion stole Rossi's invention or if they are just making a scam using Rossi's invention, which means bad publicity. 2011/11/21 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com On 2011-11-21 13:54, Daniel Rocha wrote: What did he mean by that? I don't know how should a view that message. In very few words, that he is not happy with what Defkalion GT is doing and has been doing so far. Sorry, this is not really related with the OP regarding a possible Piantelli involvement. I should have posted this as a new thread. Cheers, S.A. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: What did he mean by that? I don't know how should a view that message. Neither do I. It is obvious from what we read that it is Andrea Rossi who is in breach of contract if he was to deliver a reactor which was stable over 48 hours of operation (I assume this means without intervention by AR). I'm sure this is the reason he kept reducing the COP of his reactors from 30+ to 6- trying to find a spot whereby he could initiate the reaction but remain in control of it. He told The Customer (TC) that he could make the 10/28 demonstration at 1 MW but he would have to input almost 170 kW to ensure stability. He offered to operate the reactor at 1 MW but TC chose operation at half that without any input power to maintain control of the reaction. Now, from Rossi's POV, he probably thinks he delivered on the Defkalion contract at a COP of 6; but, considering that the capital cost is likely the same for a reactor with a COP of 30 (per kernel), Defkalion probably felt cheated. Or maybe it was written into the agreement that the reactor had to have a minimum COP and Rossi could not achieve that under stable operation. Hopefully, we will know more this week. My bet is that Defkalion delivers reactors with a COP greater than 30 which will make their payback period much more attractive. They are claiming they can deliver a 5 MW reactor. Well that would be equivalent to a Rossi 1 MW reactor except with the higher coefficient of performance. T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
On 2011-11-21 14:10, Daniel Rocha wrote: What I don't really understand is if he is implying that Defkalion stole Rossi's invention or if they are just making a scam using Rossi's invention, which means bad publicity. I don't know myself. That's not clear from what he's written in his latest comment. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
Audiatur et altera pars- Defkalion, in this case: What I understand is: a) the Rossi Defkalion divorce took place because Rossi was not able to show generators working more than 48 hours constantly; b) the Greeks, having a very school of engineering have started very early to develop the generators and have sytematically improved them. It seems the secret of the core is much simpler than we imagine- a functional additive that can be known based on the nechanism of the reaction, as described by Piantelli; c) The Tovima paper written by a reputed Greek journalist Tasos Kafantaris has the aim to present the message of DGT;s CEo's statement- we will continue! *in the context of LENR.* Piantelli being the creator of Transition Metals-H LENR, his device for manufacturing nano-nickel was also presented here. The photo is taken in Piantelli's lab in Summer 2010 by Roy Virgilio and is on the Web. It is an impressive high vacuum installation, cannot be taken as proof for Defkalion using Piantelli's technology. The paper is well written and balanced. d) as far I know Rossi has tried to get Piantelli's help even earlier prior to his depolymerisation gaffe (Petroldragon), but Piantelli works only with scientists. If Rossi have achieved something it was by empirical methods- trial and error, not by science, And he needs now science to make to work well. On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2011-11-21 12:41, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Ok, its time to spread some new rumours, to avoid boredness: http://www.tovima.gr/files/1/**2011/11/18/Piantelli-engine%**5B1%5D.jpghttp://www.tovima.gr/files/1/2011/11/18/Piantelli-engine%5B1%5D.jpg http://www.defkalion-energy.**com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=**508http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=508 By the way, it appears that Christos Stremmenos wrote a comment in the Tovima article linked, which he translated in Italian on JONP: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-**physics.com/?p=516cpage=14#** comment-125963http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=14#comment-125963 I'll attempt a translation of his convoluted Italian to English below: I feel responsible for the transfer and the fate of Rossi's invention (Cold Fusion) in Greece, and also guardian of the moral values it contains. With scientific and idealistic motives, involving my friends, colleagues and long-term partners eng. A.Rossi and prof. S.Focardi, protagonists of this epoch-making invention, we attempted together to transmit to Greece the science and technological possibilities for a promising future in this country, birthplace of Democritus and Leucippus, and with this symbolism, to promote the new energetic era for the sake of the entire humanity. As for what matters the Greek company Defkalion Green Technologies SA, unfortunately and much to my regret, I find myself with mixed feelings for the frivolous and incoherent, to say the least, general behavior and documented financial breach of contract with A.Rossi that lasted almost a year. I'll conclude with a wise popular saying from my birthplace Ervytania: The poor's lamb can't become a ram. Prof.Ch. Stremmenos Cheers, S.A. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
Its interesting to watch how this rumour, that is based on pure speculation, grows. The more messages appear online with the words Defkalion, Rossi, Piantelli the higher the weight is that Google gives to this associations. This increases the number of postings exponentially and grows the expansion speed for the rumour. Google is a great self-confirming rumour assoziation and spreading machine, that works much like human mind. Its all very similar to the birth of religions. Lets hope God will confuse their languages and make them hostile to each other and stop this nonsense ;-) ;-) - Original Nachricht Von: Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 21.11.2011 14:13 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology! On 2011-11-21 14:10, Daniel Rocha wrote: What I don't really understand is if he is implying that Defkalion stole Rossi's invention or if they are just making a scam using Rossi's invention, which means bad publicity. I don't know myself. That's not clear from what he's written in his latest comment. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: DGT moderators' behavior doesn't help. They say that they never answer to comments based on speculations, but they somewhat did here. A simple no comment would have been clearer. It also doesn't help that Piantelli is allegedly working with another company to introduce products: http://www.nichenergy.com/ The web site is under construction still; but, would not surprise me to come alive at any time. T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 8:28 AM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Its interesting to watch how this rumour, that is based on pure speculation, grows. The more messages appear online with the words Defkalion, Rossi, Piantelli the higher the weight is that Google gives to this associations. This increases the number of postings exponentially and grows the expansion speed for the rumour. Google is a great self-confirming rumour assoziation and spreading machine, that works much like human mind. Its all very similar to the birth of religions. Lets hope God will confuse their languages and make them hostile to each other and stop this nonsense ;-) This is true. More than once, I have visited the Defkalion forum and see who is present : Engineer, four guests and Google (Bot). :-) T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: It also doesn't help that Piantelli is allegedly working with another company to introduce products: http://www.nichenergy.com/ The web site is under construction still; but, would not surprise me to come alive at any time. Site domain registration information: Registrant: ALESSANDRO MEIARINI Via Belriguardo, 128 SIENA, SI 53100 IT Domain name: NICHENERGY.COM Administrative Contact: MEIARINI, ALESSANDRO nichene...@gmail.com Via Belriguardo, 128 SIENA, SI 53100 IT +39.3933313040 Technical Contact: MEIARINI, ALESSANDRO nichene...@gmail.com Via Belriguardo, 128 SIENA, SI 53100 IT +39.3933313040 Registration Service Provider: Aruba S.p.A. - Servizio Aruba.it, comunicazi...@staff.aruba.it +39.05750505 +39.0575862000 (fax) http://www.aruba.it Supporto tecnico - Technical support - Asistencia tecnica : http://assistenza.aruba.it Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC. Record last updated on 10-Jun-2011. Record expires on 10-Jun-2013. Record created on 10-Jun-2011. Registrar Domain Name Help Center: http://tucowsdomains.com Domain servers in listed order: DNS2.TECHNORAIL.COM DNS.TECHNORAIL.COM end T
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion did not deny to use Piantelli technology!
Since Rossi said he never gave Defkallion his secret sauce then we should treat DK like any other stand alone research team - Instead of chasing after Rossi based on a broken contract DK should be pursuing a researcher to take what they claim they already have to the next level. The patent mess for anyone that produces a successful product is going to be almost impossible to fix, I don't think anyone will ever be able to lay full claim due to portions that already exist in public domain. If DK already has a working product then let them show it and see if Rossi doesn't change his tune fast! Fran
