Re: [Vo]:Focardi has died
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:35:07 AM _ From: MarkI-ZeroPoint Look at the layered materials on this page: http://web.brasimone.enea.it/mat/other/bonindex.htm W/Ni/Cu/Al/CuCrZr One might also suspect that this particular lab would have access to isotopes, like Ni-62 June 23rd, 2013 at 12:06 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=806cpage=15#comment-724001 Frank Acland: The contribution of Prof. Sergio Focardi has been mainly in the safety issues: without hios help in this matter I couldn’t make my work; beside this, he teached to me much of the Physics I needed to know and also made all the preliminary measurements that we made on the reactors in 2007, 2008 2009, 2010. Thousands of measurements, before daring to make the first presentation in January 2011. In the Brasimone nuclear facility ( in the Italian Appennines, between Bologna and Florence) we made tests to measure the radiations outside the reactor at full power, in destructive tests. He mastered the situation as only he was able to do. By the way, in the same Brasimone center he had made an important experiment regarding the search of gravitons. Warm Regards, A.R.
RE: [Vo]:Focardi has died
-Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=806cpage=15#comment-723229 See you soon, my great Friend and Master Sergio! I will never forget our work together and that day in the Brasimone Nuclear facility. This is a provocative comment. “That day” must have been a memorable breakthrough discovery for them, since it is mentioned so prominently- almost as a eulogy. Does anyone know the backstory of “that day in Brasimone”? One wonders if something happened then which sheds any light on the HotCat operation, in particular. Brasimone, as best I can tell, is a facility for the study of a liquid cooled fission reactor LFR. It is not clear how that could possibly relate to the ECat, or perhaps specifically to the HotCat. Maybe they were simply “borrowing” the facility for testing purposes. Anyone following Rossi’s story from the beginning may be justified in thinking that there was a major breakthrough in the past year. I wonder if this relates to a breakthrough or not. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:Focardi has died
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=806cpage=15#comment-723229 AR: “See you soon, my great Friend and Master Sergio! I will never forget our work together and that day in the Brasimone Nuclear facility.” This is a provocative comment. “That day” must have been a memorable breakthrough discovery for them, since it is mentioned so prominently- almost as a eulogy. Does anyone know the backstory of “that day in Brasimone”? One wonders if something happened then which sheds any light on the HotCat operation, in particular. Brasimone, as best I can tell, is a facility for the study of a liquid fueled fission reactor (LFR). It is not clear how that could possibly relate to the ECat, or perhaps specifically to the HotCat. Maybe they were simply “borrowing” the support facilities for testing purposes. Anyone following Rossi’s story from the beginning may be justified in thinking that there was a major breakthrough in the past year. I wonder if this bit of eulogy relates to the HotCat breakthrough or not. FWIW – there is one detail worth mentioning about Brasimone … wrt a possible HotCat cross-connection … but it is a stretch… If you go to this page and see the diffusion bonding laboratory and other support facilities http://web.brasimone.enea.it/supunits/labindex.htm To my way of thinking this Lab fits in with one troubling detail in the progression from ECat - HotCat … and that is the sealed steel tube surrounded by SiC tubes – which is where all the action is happening - in the advanced design. But basically it all goes back to there being no obvious precedent for moving from a typical conflat reactor, with hydrogen feed, to a sealed tube within a SiC tube, in which a hydride provides all the hydrogen that can be used. That seems to something that would never happen except by accident. And they have it all in this lab, all the details including ceramic tubes used for molten liquid and sputtering and diffusion bonding. Was the HotCat kind of an accident? OK – No doubt that this many not sound like much of a rationale for a real scientific breakthrough … unless you have done this kind of experiment, but the jump to a sealed tube, diffusion bonded - with no possibility of refilling it – and then place within ceramic enclosures - is so surprising at a fundamental level - that you have to ask yourself this: is it the result of some kind of unplanned or serendipitous happenstance? Could the Brasimone diffusion bonding lab be the place where an inadvertent discovery happened, leading to the HotCat configuration as it is now been demonstrated ? Well, admittedly, this is a stretch of the imagination, but possibly worth a mention (by default if nothing else) - because almost no other scenario fits into the developmental history very well. Not to mention… the smile of the Cheshire cat, out there in cyberspace… Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Focardi has died
Oh dear. Sorry to hear about this, but it is no surprise. He has been sick for a long time. I am glad he lived long enough to see the Hot Cat and the recent tests. I wish Martin had. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Focardi has died
So, it was not complete BS that Rossi made the 1st test in public so early so that Focardi could see it working. 2013/6/22 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Oh dear. Sorry to hear about this, but it is no surprise. He has been sick for a long time. I am glad he lived long enough to see the Hot Cat and the recent tests. I wish Martin had. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:Focardi has died
Hi Jones, That is the one thing that struck me when I read Rossi’s ‘eulogy’… More clues… -Mark _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 8:29 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Focardi has died -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=806cpage=15#comment-723229 See you soon, my great Friend and Master Sergio! I will never forget our work together and that day in the Brasimone Nuclear facility. This is a provocative comment. “That day” must have been a memorable breakthrough discovery for them, since it is mentioned so prominently- almost as a eulogy. Does anyone know the backstory of “that day in Brasimone”? One wonders if something happened then which sheds any light on the HotCat operation, in particular. Brasimone, as best I can tell, is a facility for the study of a liquid cooled fission reactor LFR. It is not clear how that could possibly relate to the ECat, or perhaps specifically to the HotCat. Maybe they were simply “borrowing” the facility for testing purposes. Anyone following Rossi’s story from the beginning may be justified in thinking that there was a major breakthrough in the past year. I wonder if this relates to a breakthrough or not. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Focardi has died
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: So, it was not complete BS that Rossi made the 1st test in public so early so that Focardi could see it working. Not even slightly BS. Several people told me Focardi has been very ill for many years. Why do people make so many accusations of BS and lying with regard to Rossi? Yes, he is secretive, and yes he exaggerates, but only about a narrow range of subjects, mainly his business. His business is his business and not yours. There is no reason to think he would lie about Focardi's health. I find it offensive that anyone would think he might. Rossi is a nice person. A sweety pie, as I have often said. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Focardi has died
I think this lab is also a possibility… http://web.brasimone.enea.it/mat/matindac.htm http://web.brasimone.enea.it/mat/hydrogen/hydindex.htm -Mark _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:29 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Focardi has died http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=806cpage=15#comment-723229 AR: “See you soon, my great Friend and Master Sergio! I will never forget our work together and that day in the Brasimone Nuclear facility.” This is a provocative comment. “That day” must have been a memorable breakthrough discovery for them, since it is mentioned so prominently- almost as a eulogy. Does anyone know the backstory of “that day in Brasimone”? One wonders if something happened then which sheds any light on the HotCat operation, in particular. Brasimone, as best I can tell, is a facility for the study of a liquid fueled fission reactor (LFR). It is not clear how that could possibly relate to the ECat, or perhaps specifically to the HotCat. Maybe they were simply “borrowing” the support facilities for testing purposes. Anyone following Rossi’s story from the beginning may be justified in thinking that there was a major breakthrough in the past year. I wonder if this bit of eulogy relates to the HotCat breakthrough or not. FWIW – there is one detail worth mentioning about Brasimone … wrt a possible HotCat cross-connection … but it is a stretch… If you go to this page and see the diffusion bonding laboratory and other support facilities http://web.brasimone.enea.it/supunits/labindex.htm To my way of thinking this Lab fits in with one troubling detail in the progression from ECat - HotCat … and that is the sealed steel tube surrounded by SiC tubes – which is where all the action is happening - in the advanced design. But basically it all goes back to there being no obvious precedent for moving from a typical conflat reactor, with hydrogen feed, to a sealed tube within a SiC tube, in which a hydride provides all the hydrogen that can be used. That seems to something that would never happen except by accident. And they have it all in this lab, all the details including ceramic tubes used for molten liquid and sputtering and diffusion bonding. Was the HotCat kind of an accident? OK – No doubt that this many not sound like much of a rationale for a real scientific breakthrough … unless you have done this kind of experiment, but the jump to a sealed tube, diffusion bonded - with no possibility of refilling it – and then place within ceramic enclosures - is so surprising at a fundamental level - that you have to ask yourself this: is it the result of some kind of unplanned or serendipitous happenstance? Could the Brasimone diffusion bonding lab be the place where an inadvertent discovery happened, leading to the HotCat configuration as it is now been demonstrated ? Well, admittedly, this is a stretch of the imagination, but possibly worth a mention (by default if nothing else) - because almost no other scenario fits into the developmental history very well. Not to mention… the smile of the Cheshire cat, out there in cyberspace… Jones attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:Focardi has died
How bout this ref: G. Benamati, E. Serra., C.H. Wu, Hydrogen and deuterium transport and inventory parameters through W and W-alloys for fusion reactors applications, in press on Journal of Nuclear Materials http://web.brasimone.enea.it/mat/hydrogen/hydindex.htm Hasn’t tungsten been discussed as a potential host or catalyst for LENR? -Mark _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:29 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Focardi has died http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=806cpage=15#comment-723229 AR: “See you soon, my great Friend and Master Sergio! I will never forget our work together and that day in the Brasimone Nuclear facility.” This is a provocative comment. “That day” must have been a memorable breakthrough discovery for them, since it is mentioned so prominently- almost as a eulogy. Does anyone know the backstory of “that day in Brasimone”? One wonders if something happened then which sheds any light on the HotCat operation, in particular. Brasimone, as best I can tell, is a facility for the study of a liquid fueled fission reactor (LFR). It is not clear how that could possibly relate to the ECat, or perhaps specifically to the HotCat. Maybe they were simply “borrowing” the support facilities for testing purposes. Anyone following Rossi’s story from the beginning may be justified in thinking that there was a major breakthrough in the past year. I wonder if this bit of eulogy relates to the HotCat breakthrough or not. FWIW – there is one detail worth mentioning about Brasimone … wrt a possible HotCat cross-connection … but it is a stretch… If you go to this page and see the diffusion bonding laboratory and other support facilities http://web.brasimone.enea.it/supunits/labindex.htm To my way of thinking this Lab fits in with one troubling detail in the progression from ECat - HotCat … and that is the sealed steel tube surrounded by SiC tubes – which is where all the action is happening - in the advanced design. But basically it all goes back to there being no obvious precedent for moving from a typical conflat reactor, with hydrogen feed, to a sealed tube within a SiC tube, in which a hydride provides all the hydrogen that can be used. That seems to something that would never happen except by accident. And they have it all in this lab, all the details including ceramic tubes used for molten liquid and sputtering and diffusion bonding. Was the HotCat kind of an accident? OK – No doubt that this many not sound like much of a rationale for a real scientific breakthrough … unless you have done this kind of experiment, but the jump to a sealed tube, diffusion bonded - with no possibility of refilling it – and then place within ceramic enclosures - is so surprising at a fundamental level - that you have to ask yourself this: is it the result of some kind of unplanned or serendipitous happenstance? Could the Brasimone diffusion bonding lab be the place where an inadvertent discovery happened, leading to the HotCat configuration as it is now been demonstrated ? Well, admittedly, this is a stretch of the imagination, but possibly worth a mention (by default if nothing else) - because almost no other scenario fits into the developmental history very well. Not to mention… the smile of the Cheshire cat, out there in cyberspace… Jones attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:Focardi has died
Look at the layered materials on this page: http://web.brasimone.enea.it/mat/other/bonindex.htm W/Ni/Cu/Al/CuCrZr _ From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:08 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Focardi has died I think this lab is also a possibility… http://web.brasimone.enea.it/mat/matindac.htm http://web.brasimone.enea.it/mat/hydrogen/hydindex.htm -Mark attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:Focardi has died
_ From: MarkI-ZeroPoint Look at the layered materials on this page: http://web.brasimone.enea.it/mat/other/bonindex.htm W/Ni/Cu/Al/CuCrZr One might also suspect that this particular lab would have access to isotopes, like Ni-62 attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:Focardi has died
They probably could get whatever isotopes they wanted… at the request of a senior physicist. ;-) I think we need to rename this thread… -Mark _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:35 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Focardi has died _ From: MarkI-ZeroPoint Look at the layered materials on this page: http://web.brasimone.enea.it/mat/other/bonindex.htm W/Ni/Cu/Al/CuCrZr One might also suspect that this particular lab would have access to isotopes, like Ni-62 attachment: winmail.dat
