Re: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi?
1. Andrea Rossi July 25th, 2012 at 11:13 AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=666cpage=5#comment-286670 Dear Ecco Liberation: We are studying how to make a direct conversion into electric power, therefore we are probing all the possibilities. We are far from the solution, but this is a very interesting field of RD. Maybe we have found a thread, thanks to precious help we are getting here, in the USA. Warm Regards, A.R. I read this to mean that Rossi is no longer spearheading the development of his product but is depending on the defense industrial complex in the US to make good progress in E-Cat RD. Cheers: Axil On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *Why is the DOD interested in Carbon Nanotubes (CNT)?* * * * * *The DOD has been interested in field emission knowhow as a critical air warfare weapons technology from as far back as the development of the B2 stealth bomber. This technology is used to cover the air close to the surface of the stealth plane with a thin layer of plasma.* * * *From about the turn of the century, carbon nanotube applications became important in stealth technology and the DOD became a major sponsor in supporting RD in field emission nanotubes based appliances to replace the older less efficient field emission devices. Hundreds of grants are issued every year to university departments that specialize in carbon nanotube (CNT) field emission technology including optimize mass production of the highest quality CNT manufactured in bulk quantities.* * * *From the technology roadmap from the air force major that I have recently posted about, This PhD thesis shows an example of very advanced unclassified CNT field emission technology and the steps in its development. * * * *Being confused by it at first, I noticed that the nanotubes were housed in a regular cavity patterned lattice formed in the substrate material. In mulling it over, this design peculiarity is probably needed to protect the CNTs bundles from the ravages of turbulent air flow at the surface of selected locations on the skin of a stealth aircraft using plasma stealth. This perforated configuration can also support an electron acceleration grid to increase the potential of the plasma.* * * *Plasma stealth is a phenomenon that utilizes ionized gas; air (plasma) to reduce the radar cross section of a stealth aircraft. This plasma sheet redirects radar reflections as the interactions between electromagnetic radiation and this thin ionized gas layer redirects and randomizes reflected broadcast electromagnetic radiation echoes. * * * *The Plasma stealth method is one of various methods that might plausibly be able to form a layer or cloud of plasma around a vehicle to deflect or absorb radar through the production of a steady state electrostatic discharge. * * * *The Journal of Electronic Defense reported that plasma-cloud-generation technology for stealth applications developed in Russia reduces an aircraft's Radar Cross Section (RCS) by a factor of 100. According to this June 2002 article, the Russian plasma stealth device has been tested aboard a Sukhoi Su-27IB fighter-bomber. The Journal also reported that similar research into applications of plasma for RCS reduction is being carried out by Accurate Automation Corporation (Chattanooga, Tennessee) and Old Dominion University (Norfolk, Virginia) in the U.S.; and by Dassault Aviation (Saint-Cloud, France) and Thales (Paris, France).* * * *Plasma layers around aircraft have been considered for purposes other than stealth. There are many research papers on the use of plasma to reduce aerodynamic drag. In particular, electrohydrodynamic coupling can be used to accelerate air flow near an aerodynamic surface. Research suggests that the use of a plasma panel for boundary layer control on a wing increases low-speed wing performance. If the generated plasma layers are tunable, this layer could shield against HMP/EMP and HERF weaponry or act as optical radiation pressure actuators.* * * *From an overview of their sponsored research, for more than a decade the DOD has acted in their RD policies consistent with the goal of producing the most powerful and efficient CNT field emission technology that money can buy, These defense need far exceeds anything that a commercial application could possibly use or need, IMHO.* * * *When did Rossi switch his process to carbon nanotubes?* * * *All indications are that Rossi changed the design of his core just after he broke his relationship with DGT on or about August 4th 2011* * * *He replaced the pipe based topology with a square box setup which Rossi used when he went into the October pre demo warm-up and the self-sustain dog and pony show with US government agents. About that time we hear that Rossi begins to use the frequency generator; a device that does not rely on thermionic control mechanisms
Re: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi?
Don't you think he would have signed an NDA with the military and stop the internet blabber? Raytheon does not do this... On Wednesday, July 25, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: 1. Andrea Rossi July 25th, 2012 at 11:13 AMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=666cpage=5#comment-286670 Dear Ecco Liberation: We are studying how to make a direct conversion into electric power, therefore we are probing all the possibilities. We are far from the solution, but this is a very interesting field of RD. Maybe we have found a thread, thanks to precious help we are getting here, in the USA. Warm Regards, A.R. I read this to mean that Rossi is no longer spearheading the development of his product but is depending on the defense industrial complex in the US to make good progress in E-Cat RD. Cheers: Axil On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *Why is the DOD interested in Carbon Nanotubes (CNT)?* * * * * *The DOD has been interested in field emission knowhow as a critical air warfare weapons technology from as far back as the development of the B2 stealth bomber. This technology is used to cover the air close to the surface of the stealth plane with a thin layer of plasma.* * * *From about the turn of the century, carbon nanotube applications became important in stealth technology and the DOD became a major sponsor in supporting RD in field emission nanotubes based appliances to replace the older less efficient field emission devices. Hundreds of grants are issued every year to university departments that specialize in carbon nanotube (CNT) field emission technology including optimize mass production of the highest quality CNT manufactured in bulk quantities.* * * *From the technology roadmap from the air force major that I have recently posted about, This PhD thesis shows an example of very advanced unclassified CNT field emission technology and the steps in its development. * * * *Being confused by it at first, I noticed that the nanotubes were housed in a regular cavity patterned lattice formed in the substrate material. In mulling it over, this design peculiarity is probably needed to protect the CNTs bundles from the ravages of turbulent air flow at the surface of selected locations on the skin of a stealth aircraft using plasma stealth. This perforated configuration can also support an electron acceleration grid to increase the potential of the plasma.* * * *Plasma stealth is a phenomenon that utilizes ionized gas; air (plasma) to reduce the radar cross section of a stealth aircraft. This plasma sheet redirects radar reflections as the interactions between electromagnetic radiation and this thin ionized gas layer redirects and randomizes reflected broadcast electromagnetic radiation echoes. * * * *The Plasma stealth method is one of various methods that might plausibly be able to form a layer or cloud of plasma around a vehicle to deflect or absorb radar through the production of a steady state electrostatic discharge. * * *
Re: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi?
There has been a great deal of discussion concerning CNT usage in Rossi's device. This article certainly has some very interesting implications but I am left wondering about the underlying LENR process. Do you consider that Rossi's ECAT is now fusing H into H2 and then ultimately He4? Has the nickel become just a catalyst in the processing or does it still have an important main roll? Should we expect to see copper as just a minor ash due to this modification? If nickel is no longer being converted into copper, then what do you expect as the latest nuclear ash? It would not surprise me to see that Rossi has fallen upon another miracle, but that is a lot of good fortune for one guy. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 3:07 am Subject: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi? Why is the DOD interested in Carbon Nanotubes (CNT)? The DOD has been interested in field emission knowhow as a critical air warfare weapons technology from as far back as the development of the B2 stealth bomber. This technology is used to cover the air close to the surface of the stealth plane with a thin layer of plasma. From about the turn of the century, carbon nanotube applications became important in stealth technology and the DOD became a major sponsor in supporting RD in field emission nanotubes based appliances to replace the older less efficient field emission devices. Hundreds of grants are issued every year to university departments that specialize in carbon nanotube (CNT) field emission technology including optimize mass production of the highest quality CNT manufactured in bulk quantities. From the technology roadmap from the air force major that I have recently posted about, This PhD thesis shows an example of very advanced unclassified CNT field emission technology and the steps in its development. Being confused by it at first, I noticed that the nanotubes were housed in a regular cavity patterned lattice formed in the substrate material. In mulling it over, this design peculiarity is probably needed to protect the CNTs bundles from the ravages of turbulent air flow at the surface of selected locations on the skin of a stealth aircraft using plasma stealth. This perforated configuration can also support an electron acceleration grid to increase the potential of the plasma. Plasma stealth is a phenomenon that utilizes ionized gas; air (plasma) to reduce the radar cross section of a stealth aircraft. This plasma sheet redirects radar reflections as the interactions between electromagnetic radiation and this thin ionized gas layer redirects and randomizes reflected broadcast electromagnetic radiation echoes. The Plasma stealth method is one of various methods that might plausibly be able to form a layer or cloud of plasma around a vehicle to deflect or absorb radar through the production of a steady state electrostatic discharge. The Journal of Electronic Defense reported that plasma-cloud-generation technology for stealth applications developed in Russia reduces an aircraft's Radar Cross Section (RCS) by a factor of 100. According to this June 2002 article, the Russian plasma stealth device has been tested aboard a Sukhoi Su-27IB fighter-bomber. The Journal also reported that similar research into applications of plasma for RCS reduction is being carried out by Accurate Automation Corporation (Chattanooga, Tennessee) and Old Dominion University (Norfolk, Virginia) in the U.S.; and by Dassault Aviation (Saint-Cloud, France) and Thales (Paris, France). Plasma layers around aircraft have been considered for purposes other than stealth. There are many research papers on the use of plasma to reduce aerodynamic drag. In particular, electrohydrodynamic coupling can be used to accelerate air flow near an aerodynamic surface. Research suggests that the use of a plasma panel for boundary layer control on a wing increases low-speed wing performance. If the generated plasma layers are tunable, this layer could shield against HMP/EMP and HERF weaponry or act as optical radiation pressure actuators. From an overview of their sponsored research, for more than a decade the DOD has acted in their RD policies consistent with the goal of producing the most powerful and efficient CNT field emission technology that money can buy, These defense need far exceeds anything that a commercial application could possibly use or need, IMHO. When did Rossi switch his process to carbon nanotubes? All indications are that Rossi changed the design of his core just after he broke his relationship with DGT on or about August 4th 2011 He replaced the pipe based topology with a square box setup which Rossi used when he went into the October pre demo warm-up and the self-sustain dog and pony show with US government agents. About that time we hear that Rossi begins to use the frequency
Re: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi?
*IMHO, nickel micro-powder cannot sustain reactor long term operating temperatures at 1000C without deteriorating especially if copper is produced as a transmutation product.* * * *Something has to give with this concept and I believe it is the use of nickel as the reaction substrate.* * * *Micro powder would be retained as a way to maximize reaction surface area, but an element with a higher melting temperature would need to be used to keep the micro powder grains from sintering together into a congealed mess.* * * *The use of tungsten is my guess especially since Rossi states that he needs more x-ray shielding in his new very high temperature system. Tungsten will produce that type of radiation profile.* * * *Tungsten would also produce a ash element in the platinum family which would be an element with a high temperature melting point.* * * *I thought it would take many years for LENR to advance to the 1000C operating temperature level but it has taken only a very few months. It is this rapid advance that is truly hard to believe. No single man; not even Rossi could push LENR progress this hard. And it is not luck because such luck cannot be had in this world. * * * *Buoyed in a sea of unlimited RD funding, It is the hard work of many unknown and unsung journeymen long tenured associates working unsung behind Rossi’s apron strings who are pushing progress so hard as they always do when the national interest is at stake. * * * *Rossi can spend his time reading adoring posts from an ever growing admiration chorus on his web site while a legion of anonymous LENR heroes are working behind the scenes to push Rossi’s dream into the real world.* * * *Writing the upcoming E-Cat progress report due in September would take a half dozen workers pressing hard full time to get that report done well. * * * * * *Cheers: Axil* * * * * * * On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:53 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: There has been a great deal of discussion concerning CNT usage in Rossi's device. This article certainly has some very interesting implications but I am left wondering about the underlying LENR process. Do you consider that Rossi's ECAT is now fusing H into H2 and then ultimately He4? Has the nickel become just a catalyst in the processing or does it still have an important main roll? Should we expect to see copper as just a minor ash due to this modification? If nickel is no longer being converted into copper, then what do you expect as the latest nuclear ash? It would not surprise me to see that Rossi has fallen upon another miracle, but that is a lot of good fortune for one guy. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 3:07 am Subject: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi? *Why is the DOD interested in Carbon Nanotubes (CNT)?* * * * * *The DOD has been interested in field emission knowhow as a critical air warfare weapons technology from as far back as the development of the B2 stealth bomber. This technology is used to cover the air close to the surface of the stealth plane with a thin layer of plasma.* * * *From about the turn of the century, carbon nanotube applications became important in stealth technology and the DOD became a major sponsor in supporting RD in field emission nanotubes based appliances to replace the older less efficient field emission devices. Hundreds of grants are issued every year to university departments that specialize in carbon nanotube (CNT) field emission technology including optimize mass production of the highest quality CNT manufactured in bulk quantities.* * * *From the technology roadmap from the air force major that I have recently posted about, This PhD thesis shows an example of very advanced unclassified CNT field emission technology and the steps in its development. * * * *Being confused by it at first, I noticed that the nanotubes were housed in a regular cavity patterned lattice formed in the substrate material. In mulling it over, this design peculiarity is probably needed to protect the CNTs bundles from the ravages of turbulent air flow at the surface of selected locations on the skin of a stealth aircraft using plasma stealth. This perforated configuration can also support an electron acceleration grid to increase the potential of the plasma.* * * *Plasma stealth is a phenomenon that utilizes ionized gas; air (plasma) to reduce the radar cross section of a stealth aircraft. This plasma sheet redirects radar reflections as the interactions between electromagnetic radiation and this thin ionized gas layer redirects and randomizes reflected broadcast electromagnetic radiation echoes. * * * *The Plasma stealth method is one of various methods that might plausibly be able to form a layer or cloud of plasma around a vehicle to deflect or absorb radar through the production of a steady
Re: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi?
Axil, Tungsten would be a whole new game in town. Its main 'advantage' being that it would make Rossi's claims a bit more plausible. My personal experience is: Stick to what is working, and do not make major changes. My major objection, based on a bit of common sense, still holds: LENR is NOT a homogenous process and necessarily has its hot spots, far surpassing average temperature. I think we a gree that 1000degC is dangerously close to recrystallization, which, with Ni seems to be somewhere near 1120degC. If this is correct, Rossi would have managed nearly perfect control of the process, leaving all his competitors in the dust. Another aspect being: with a 'dry' process one cannot remove the process heat, so it would have to be a 'wet' process, where the cooling fluid is in direct contact to the reactant. But in this case (wet process) all MY mental conceptions of the nature of the process break down. Quite possibly I'm wrong, as an armchair theorist in the issue. Just assembling the laws of nature and the evidences to something possible. Rossi has to deliver evidence, to prove me wrong. Up to now he nearly did nothing of this sort. Right now the probability that Rossi is a bigmouth with an illusion of grandeur is much higher than him actually delivering something. Guenter Von: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 20:15 Dienstag, 24.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi? IMHO, nickel micro-powder cannot sustain reactor long term operating temperatures at 1000C without deteriorating especially if copper is produced as a transmutation product. Something has to give with this concept and I believe it is the use of nickel as the reaction substrate. Micro powder would be retained as a way to maximize reaction surface area, but an element with a higher melting temperature would need to be used to keep the micro powder grains from sintering together into a congealed mess. The use of tungsten is my guess especially since Rossi states that he needs more x-ray shielding in his new very high temperature system. Tungsten will produce that type of radiation profile. Cheers: Axil
Re: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi?
Not sure if the following has been brought to the attention of this thread yet. Rossi's answer might be relevant. 1. Joe July 23rd, 2012 at 1:19 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=666cpage=4#comment-284875 Dr Rossi, Would the E-Cat process work for other elements (carbon, tungsten) for the sake of having a higher melting temperature with which to work? All the best, Joe 2. Andrea Rossi July 23rd, 2012 at 4:00 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=666cpage=4#comment-284971 Dear Joe: My Friend, you always put questions I am not allowed to answer to! Warm Regards, A.R. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.comwrote: Axil, Tungsten would be a whole new game in town. Its main 'advantage' being that it would make Rossi's claims a bit more plausible. My personal experience is: Stick to what is working, and do not make major changes. My major objection, based on a bit of common sense, still holds: LENR is NOT a homogenous process and necessarily has its hot spots, far surpassing average temperature. I think we a gree that 1000degC is dangerously close to recrystallization, which, with Ni seems to be somewhere near 1120degC. If this is correct, Rossi would have managed nearly perfect control of the process, leaving all his competitors in the dust. Another aspect being: with a 'dry' process one cannot remove the process heat, so it would have to be a 'wet' process, where the cooling fluid is in direct contact to the reactant. But in this case (wet process) all MY mental conceptions of the nature of the process break down. Quite possibly I'm wrong, as an armchair theorist in the issue. Just assembling the laws of nature and the evidences to something possible. Rossi has to deliver evidence, to prove me wrong. Up to now he nearly did nothing of this sort. Right now the probability that Rossi is a bigmouth with an illusion of grandeur is much higher than him actually delivering something. Guenter -- *Von:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com *An:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Gesendet:* 20:15 Dienstag, 24.Juli 2012 *Betreff:* Re: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi? *IMHO, nickel micro-powder cannot sustain reactor long term operating temperatures at 1000C without deteriorating especially if copper is produced as a transmutation product.* * * *Something has to give with this concept and I believe it is the use of nickel as the reaction substrate.* * * *Micro powder would be retained as a way to maximize reaction surface area, but an element with a higher melting temperature would need to be used to keep the micro powder grains from sintering together into a congealed mess.* * * *The use of tungsten is my guess especially since Rossi states that he needs more x-ray shielding in his new very high temperature system. Tungsten will produce that type of radiation profile.* * * *Cheers: Axil* -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:What the DOD gave to Rossi?
Maybe what you have there is an alloy of Ni with something else... -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
