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http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/24/prometeon-srl-addresses-e-cat-licensee-status/ Someone has taken customers away from Rossi and IH, who could it be? This alterative to Rossi must be well known on the LENR street. Jed, with your ear so close to the ground, you must know who this Rossi competitor is. Please tell us. If it is DGT, don't let your pride dissuade the proclamation of the truth. We will forgive you. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi does not believe Defkalion has anything, so you can take that off your list. Michael C. H. McKubre lists the following LENR players: Those embarked on practical demonstration include: Black Light Power (US) – raised ~80M, know little about them. Not CF? Piantelli (Italy) – visited 2012, confirmed results, still working on science. XRossi (Italy and US) – sold, bought verified? Report reviewed in October. XDefkalion (Greece, Italy and Canada) – Rossi spin-off, real product? Brillouin (US) – working with SRI. That leaves only 3. - Jed
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Not sure it is a group with a working or promising reactor... 2014-11-24 18:29 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/24/prometeon-srl-addresses-e-cat-licensee-status/ Someone has taken customers away from Rossi and IH, who could it be? This alterative to Rossi must be well known on the LENR street. Jed, with your ear so close to the ground, you must know who this Rossi competitor is. Please tell us. If it is DGT, don't let your pride dissuade the proclamation of the truth. We will forgive you. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi does not believe Defkalion has anything, so you can take that off your list. Michael C. H. McKubre lists the following LENR players: Those embarked on practical demonstration include: Black Light Power (US) – raised ~80M, know little about them. Not CF? Piantelli (Italy) – visited 2012, confirmed results, still working on science. XRossi (Italy and US) – sold, bought verified? Report reviewed in October. XDefkalion (Greece, Italy and Canada) – Rossi spin-off, real product? Brillouin (US) – working with SRI. That leaves only 3. - Jed
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luca gamberale? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure it is a group with a working or promising reactor... 2014-11-24 18:29 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/24/prometeon-srl-addresses-e-cat-licensee-status/ Someone has taken customers away from Rossi and IH, who could it be? This alterative to Rossi must be well known on the LENR street. Jed, with your ear so close to the ground, you must know who this Rossi competitor is. Please tell us. If it is DGT, don't let your pride dissuade the proclamation of the truth. We will forgive you. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi does not believe Defkalion has anything, so you can take that off your list. Michael C. H. McKubre lists the following LENR players: Those embarked on practical demonstration include: Black Light Power (US) – raised ~80M, know little about them. Not CF? Piantelli (Italy) – visited 2012, confirmed results, still working on science. XRossi (Italy and US) – sold, bought verified? Report reviewed in October. XDefkalion (Greece, Italy and Canada) – Rossi spin-off, real product? Brillouin (US) – working with SRI. That leaves only 3. - Jed
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no, if you search you see many LENr startup without much concrete but sometime with good network, good team, and thus potential to build a technology. 2014-11-24 20:20 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: luca gamberale? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure it is a group with a working or promising reactor... 2014-11-24 18:29 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/24/prometeon-srl-addresses-e-cat-licensee-status/ Someone has taken customers away from Rossi and IH, who could it be? This alterative to Rossi must be well known on the LENR street. Jed, with your ear so close to the ground, you must know who this Rossi competitor is. Please tell us. If it is DGT, don't let your pride dissuade the proclamation of the truth. We will forgive you. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi does not believe Defkalion has anything, so you can take that off your list. Michael C. H. McKubre lists the following LENR players: Those embarked on practical demonstration include: Black Light Power (US) – raised ~80M, know little about them. Not CF? Piantelli (Italy) – visited 2012, confirmed results, still working on science. XRossi (Italy and US) – sold, bought verified? Report reviewed in October. XDefkalion (Greece, Italy and Canada) – Rossi spin-off, real product? Brillouin (US) – working with SRI. That leaves only 3. - Jed
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Putting two and two together, the competition has uncovered the Rossi secret and is a dangerous competitor for the E-Cat. you said that “We cannot feed more information to our competition, which now is very powerful”. My question is: how can any competitor be powerful without knowing the core effect that drive the ECat ? Do you know of any lab that succeded in replication of the Rossi Effect even in a minimal part ? Rossi: Yes Rossi must have got this info from the new customers of this new competitor. Rossi wants to keep secret E-Cat info from this competitor. This competitor must have a product that is just as good as the E-Cat and is in the final stages of RD. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: no, if you search you see many LENr startup without much concrete but sometime with good network, good team, and thus potential to build a technology. 2014-11-24 20:20 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: luca gamberale? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure it is a group with a working or promising reactor... 2014-11-24 18:29 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/24/prometeon-srl-addresses-e-cat-licensee-status/ Someone has taken customers away from Rossi and IH, who could it be? This alterative to Rossi must be well known on the LENR street. Jed, with your ear so close to the ground, you must know who this Rossi competitor is. Please tell us. If it is DGT, don't let your pride dissuade the proclamation of the truth. We will forgive you. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi does not believe Defkalion has anything, so you can take that off your list. Michael C. H. McKubre lists the following LENR players: Those embarked on practical demonstration include: Black Light Power (US) – raised ~80M, know little about them. Not CF? Piantelli (Italy) – visited 2012, confirmed results, still working on science. XRossi (Italy and US) – sold, bought verified? Report reviewed in October. XDefkalion (Greece, Italy and Canada) – Rossi spin-off, real product? Brillouin (US) – working with SRI. That leaves only 3. - Jed
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An answer from Mats Lewin @Axil I really don’t know if there’s any particular competitor. My experience is that those kind of statements from Rossi are often not based on any exact details. Could as well be to mislead. However, if Rossi’s E-Cat works, there should be several groups trying to replicate now. In any case, it would be interesting to know how many LENR companies there are in stealth mode now. And since there’s overwhelming evidence for some kind of anomalous effect in the LENR field, real progress shouldn’t be far away, if it gets less stigmatized and more people finally get involved. It’s about time! On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Putting two and two together, the competition has uncovered the Rossi secret and is a dangerous competitor for the E-Cat. you said that “We cannot feed more information to our competition, which now is very powerful”. My question is: how can any competitor be powerful without knowing the core effect that drive the ECat ? Do you know of any lab that succeded in replication of the Rossi Effect even in a minimal part ? Rossi: Yes Rossi must have got this info from the new customers of this new competitor. Rossi wants to keep secret E-Cat info from this competitor. This competitor must have a product that is just as good as the E-Cat and is in the final stages of RD. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: no, if you search you see many LENr startup without much concrete but sometime with good network, good team, and thus potential to build a technology. 2014-11-24 20:20 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: luca gamberale? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure it is a group with a working or promising reactor... 2014-11-24 18:29 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/11/24/prometeon-srl-addresses-e-cat-licensee-status/ Someone has taken customers away from Rossi and IH, who could it be? This alterative to Rossi must be well known on the LENR street. Jed, with your ear so close to the ground, you must know who this Rossi competitor is. Please tell us. If it is DGT, don't let your pride dissuade the proclamation of the truth. We will forgive you. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi does not believe Defkalion has anything, so you can take that off your list. Michael C. H. McKubre lists the following LENR players: Those embarked on practical demonstration include: Black Light Power (US) – raised ~80M, know little about them. Not CF? Piantelli (Italy) – visited 2012, confirmed results, still working on science. XRossi (Italy and US) – sold, bought verified? Report reviewed in October. XDefkalion (Greece, Italy and Canada) – Rossi spin-off, real product? Brillouin (US) – working with SRI. That leaves only 3. - Jed
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http://www.nichenergy.com/
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I'd put my money on Piantelli. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nichenergy.com/
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Re nichenergy.com Registered to Alessandro Meiarini Of http://patents.justia.com/inventor/alessandro-meiarini Regards, patrick
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*Inventors: *Alessandro MEIARINI, Silvia PIANTELLI, Leonardo CIAMPOLI, Fabio CHELLINI On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: Re nichenergy.com Registered to Alessandro Meiarini Of http://patents.justia.com/inventor/alessandro-meiarini Regards, patrick
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http://www.rexresearch.com/piantelli/piantelli.htm On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: *Inventors: *Alessandro MEIARINI, Silvia PIANTELLI, Leonardo CIAMPOLI, Fabio CHELLINI On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: Re nichenergy.com Registered to Alessandro Meiarini Of http://patents.justia.com/inventor/alessandro-meiarini Regards, patrick
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I agree. All the inventors have been working for a long time on LENR and knew Focardi as a fellow scientist--at least Piantelli and Chellini did. Milan and Bologna have been the hotbed for this science. Bob - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Who could it be??? http://www.rexresearch.com/piantelli/piantelli.htm On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Inventors: Alessandro MEIARINI, Silvia PIANTELLI, Leonardo CIAMPOLI, Fabio CHELLINI On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com wrote: Re nichenergy.com Registered to Alessandro Meiarini Of http://patents.justia.com/inventor/alessandro-meiarini Regards, patrick
RE: [Vo]:Who could it be???
There is one missing in the list below: Brian Ahern who has released some patents and has joined the MFMP team. _ From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: dimanche 23 novembre 2014 03:23 To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Who could it be??? Since Rossi says that the system in question is based on E-Cat technology, then the system must be from Piantelli. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi does not believe Defkalion has anything, so you can take that off your list. Michael C. H. McKubre lists the following LENR players: Those embarked on practical demonstration include: Black Light Power (US) - raised ~80M, know little about them. Not CF?* Piantelli (Italy) - visited 2012, confirmed results, still working on science.* Rossi (Italy and US) - sold, bought*X verified? Report reviewed in October. Defkalion (Greece, Italy and Canada) - Rossi spin-off, real product?*X Brillouin (US) - working with SRI.* That leaves only 3. - Jed
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* Hank Mills October 13th, 2014 at 10:22 PM Hello Everyone, A new article on PESN has been posted about how Dr. Brian Ahern, a scientist and long time LENR researcher, has changed his opinion about the paper documenting the month long test of a high temperature E-Cat. Initially, he indicated that he believed no excess heat had been produced. Such a statement aligns with his previous skeptical comments about the technology. But after consulting with an expert in IR measurements – who declared the cameras and methodologies used during the test were correct and the same as he would have chosen – his doubts were resolved. He now feels the results are accurate. Please read the full article at: http://pesn.com/2014/10/13/9602546_Hell-Freezes-Over–Brian-Aherns_Doubts_on_E-Cat_Test_Resolved/ Perhaps he will be one of many previously skeptical individuals to recognize the truth that the E-Cat works. * Andrea Rossi October 13th, 2014 at 10:52 PM Hank Mills: Dr Brian Ahern is a sincere and honest scientist. He says what he sincerely thinks to be right. Sometimes with excess of nerve, but I prefer go to the core of problems, ignoring the form outside. Speaking of things that count, and not of the useless blabla, the work made by Ahern with nickel and hydrogen is smart, as I already said in the period during which we got not very tender words from him. I confirm my opinion that he will be probably the first one to arrive to an industrial product after us. His publication has been very convincing for us. Thank you for the kind information. Warm Regards, A.R.
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Yeah, that's the question of the day. Sent from my iPad On Nov 20, 2014, at 10:00 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Marco Serra November 20th, 2014 at 2:51 AM Dear Andrea, you said that “We cannot feed more information to our competition, which now is very powerful”. My question is: how can any competitor be powerful without knowing the core effect that drive the ECat ? Do you know of any lab that succeded in replication of the Rossi Effect even in a minimal part ? God bless you Marco Andrea Rossi November 20th, 2014 at 7:26 AM Marco Serra: Yes. Warm Regards A.R. It can't be Godes. His reactor is original and not like the E-Cat. Come on Jed... tell us who1
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Andrea Rossi November 21st, 2014 at 8:24 AM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=864cpage=7#comment-1026815 Giuliano Bettini: As you know, in our laboratory we have analysed all the claims of the competitors and reproduced their apparatuses. We found one that works. I already spoke of it, but it is not correct that I speak on his behalf. I suppose publications will follow. For now, I just have to say, honestly, that this competitor of us has made a good job. Warm Regards, A.R. -- The system that Rossi is referring to is on designed by B, Ahern. The system that Rossi is deathly afraid of is one that he or his workers have not tested. He must have a covert source of information on that system like a spy. Jed, tell us who Rossi is deathly afraid of... Jed you have revealed in the past that you have many confidential but highly reliable sources. You are highly connected. Is it Mizuno? At least tell us that you know who it is without compromising your sources. Jed, your silence is deafening. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Marco Serra November 20th, 2014 at 2:51 AM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=864cpage=7#comment-1026419 Dear Andrea, you said that “We cannot feed more information to our competition, which now is very powerful”. My question is: how can any competitor be powerful without knowing the core effect that drive the ECat ? Do you know of any lab that succeded in replication of the Rossi Effect even in a minimal part ? God bless you Marco Andrea Rossi November 20th, 2014 at 7:26 AM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=864cpage=7#comment-1026479 Marco Serra: Yes. Warm Regards A.R. It can't be Godes. His reactor is original and not like the E-Cat. Come on Jed... tell us who1
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Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: It can't be Godes. His reactor is original and not like the E-Cat. Come on Jed... tell us who1 I haven't the slightest idea. - Jed
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Any system that Rossi is concerned about must have a large amount of power output and have high COP. If it does not meet this performance then it can not compete. Do we know of anyone else that has a device of that sort? Surely he does not refer to DGT since they appear to be out of sight. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Nov 22, 2014 7:30 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Who could it be??? Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: It can't be Godes. His reactor is original and not like the E-Cat. Come on Jed... tell us who1 I haven't the slightest idea. - Jed
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Michael C. H. McKubre lists the following LENR players: Those embarked on practical demonstration include: Black Light Power (US) – raised ~80M, know little about them. Not CF? Piantelli (Italy) – visited 2012, confirmed results, still working on science. Rossi (Italy and US) – sold, bought verified? Report reviewed in October. Defkalion (Greece, Italy and Canada) – Rossi spin-off, real product? Brillouin (US) – working with SRI. Let us deduce who it could be. Out...Black Light Power is working on the Sun Cell so they are eliminated. Out...Brillouin is working on a fluid bed design that is not E-cat like. So who can it be??? On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:45 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Any system that Rossi is concerned about must have a large amount of power output and have high COP. If it does not meet this performance then it can not compete. Do we know of anyone else that has a device of that sort? Surely he does not refer to DGT since they appear to be out of sight. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Nov 22, 2014 7:30 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Who could it be??? Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: It can't be Godes. His reactor is original and not like the E-Cat. Come on Jed... tell us who1 I haven't the slightest idea. - Jed
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Rossi does not believe Defkalion has anything, so you can take that off your list. Michael C. H. McKubre lists the following LENR players: Those embarked on practical demonstration include: Black Light Power (US) – raised ~80M, know little about them. Not CF? Piantelli (Italy) – visited 2012, confirmed results, still working on science. XRossi (Italy and US) – sold, bought verified? Report reviewed in October. XDefkalion (Greece, Italy and Canada) – Rossi spin-off, real product? Brillouin (US) – working with SRI. That leaves only 3. - Jed
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I think it is Piantelli--he knows the theory that Focardi knew, has had hot wires that seemed to work and is Italian. The Ni-H system was developed in his backyard, if not by he himself with other Italian physicists, some who are not with us any more, to our misfortune. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Who could it be??? Michael C. H. McKubre lists the following LENR players: Those embarked on practical demonstration include: Black Light Power (US) – raised ~80M, know little about them. Not CF? Piantelli (Italy) – visited 2012, confirmed results, still working on science. Rossi (Italy and US) – sold, bought verified? Report reviewed in October. Defkalion (Greece, Italy and Canada) – Rossi spin-off, real product? Brillouin (US) – working with SRI. Let us deduce who it could be. Out...Black Light Power is working on the Sun Cell so they are eliminated. Out...Brillouin is working on a fluid bed design that is not E-cat like. So who can it be??? On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:45 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Any system that Rossi is concerned about must have a large amount of power output and have high COP. If it does not meet this performance then it can not compete. Do we know of anyone else that has a device of that sort? Surely he does not refer to DGT since they appear to be out of sight. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Nov 22, 2014 7:30 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Who could it be??? Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: It can't be Godes. His reactor is original and not like the E-Cat. Come on Jed... tell us who1 I haven't the slightest idea. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Who could it be???
Since Rossi says that the system in question is based on E-Cat technology, then the system must be from Piantelli. On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi does not believe Defkalion has anything, so you can take that off your list. Michael C. H. McKubre lists the following LENR players: Those embarked on practical demonstration include: Black Light Power (US) – raised ~80M, know little about them. Not CF? Piantelli (Italy) – visited 2012, confirmed results, still working on science. XRossi (Italy and US) – sold, bought verified? Report reviewed in October. XDefkalion (Greece, Italy and Canada) – Rossi spin-off, real product? Brillouin (US) – working with SRI. That leaves only 3. - Jed
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Axil, he may be responding to the postings that I produced which outline how a thermally controlled device might operate. Knowing how the various tradeoffs interact should allow the competition to save themselves a lot of experimentation. Perhaps my simulations are beginning to match what he is finding? The pieces of the puzzle continue to fall into place and now I have a couple of models that both show the same results. The third party test curve of output power versus input step power shows what I would expect when internal thermal positive feedback is present at a modest COP. Even his operation with PWM drive makes sense according to my computer model. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 1:00 pm Subject: [Vo]:Who could it be??? Marco Serra November 20th, 2014 at 2:51 AM Dear Andrea, you said that “We cannot feed more information to our competition, which now is very powerful”. My question is: how can any competitor be powerful without knowing the core effect that drive the ECat ? Do you know of any lab that succeded in replication of the Rossi Effect even in a minimal part ? God bless you Marco Andrea Rossi November 20th, 2014 at 7:26 AM Marco Serra: Yes. Warm Regards A.R. It can't be Godes. His reactor is original and not like the E-Cat. Come on Jed... tell us who1
