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On 19 Oct 2011, at 04:48, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100 years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10 mega hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what you say. Now we know how energy is released. Energy is pinned with the atom by the same mechanism, discontinuities. Where are the discontinuities in the atom, here there are below. http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/10710753/the-elastic-limit-of-space-and-the-quantum-condition Hey Frank, Thanks for your paper link. I was wondering if you might elaborate on the geometry underlying your discussion. For example The geometry at which the electron reaches a limit in its elasticity was qualified with the use of a quantum of capacitance Cq. What is the geometry that you're referring to? There isn't any explicit formalism describing it in your paper. Could you please help me understand the picture that you're putting forward? Thanks, Joe
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On Oct 18, 2011, at 9:55 PM, David Roberson wrote: Hello Frank, You have an impressive understanding of the flux pinning theory. Can you give me an answer to my question? It appears that energy can be put into the floating disk-magnet combination by pushing or pulling against the disk. Where does the energy show up in the system? Does the disk heat up a small amount as I push or pull on the disk or does the magnet get the energy? This question may be related to the amount of force required to displace the disk. There may be important information revealed as a result of the energy transfer. I eagerly await your answer. Dave Hi Dave, Here is guess for you. The magnetic pressure P = B^2/(2*mu0) is reduced in the volume immediately below and above the puck, except in the thin volumes near the puck of flux transiting the thin vortices in which lines of flux are pinned. The magnetic pressure immediately adjacent to the sides of the puck, and adjacent to the pinning locations is increased. Any movement of the puck relative to a given magnet, provided the movement does not involve a canceling symmetry, such as rotation above a single magnet, or movement on a single magnet track, changes the local B and/or volume in which the B resides, and thus magnetic pressure, and thus energy of the system. Pushing the magnet into place merely involves compressing the B into a higher average pressure, and thus consumes energy. The energy in the B resides in the polarized vacuum. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
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On Oct 18, 2011, at 9:55 PM, David Roberson wrote: Hello Frank, You have an impressive understanding of the flux pinning theory. Can you give me an answer to my question? It appears that energy can be put into the floating disk-magnet combination by pushing or pulling against the disk. Where does the energy show up in the system? Does the disk heat up a small amount as I push or pull on the disk or does the magnet get the energy? This question may be related to the amount of force required to displace the disk. There may be important information revealed as a result of the energy transfer. I eagerly await your answer. Dave Hi Dave, Here is guess for you. The magnetic pressure P = B^2/(2*mu0) is reduced in the volume immediately below and above the puck, except in the thin volumes near the puck of flux transiting the thin vortices in which lines of flux are pinned. The magnetic pressure immediately adjacent to the sides of the puck, and adjacent to the pinning locations is increased. Any movement of the puck relative to a given magnet, provided the movement does not involve a canceling symmetry, such as rotation above a single magnet, or movement on a single magnet track, changes the local B and/or volume in which the B resides, and thus magnetic pressure, and thus energy of the system. Pushing the magnet into place merely involves compressing the B into a higher average pressure, and thus consumes energy. The energy in the B resides in the polarized vacuum. The pinned flux, the flux which travels through the SC, moves relative to the fixing magnet if the SC orientation or position changes. The movement of this close line flux superpositions with, moves relative to, compresses and/or decompresses, the magnetic flux which travels around the SC, resulting in energy changes in the B field there, thus resisting motion. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
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Hi Horace, That is an interesting idea you have suggested. I was thinking along the same lines until I realized that the energy was never returned by reversing the movement. Does compressing the B into a higher average pressure result in storage of the energy instead of converting it into heat? If it is stored as I would assume that the energy would be returned if the movement reverses. Do you see my point? Is it possible that the movements toward and back make a permanent(pinning energy?) modification to the internal structure of the disk? Maybe this is related to the effect that occurs when an alternating field of RF is applied. An interesting thought is that the RF field simulates the physical up and down movement at a much higher rate. Dave -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 4:31 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation On Oct 18, 2011, at 9:55 PM, David Roberson wrote: Hello Frank, You have an impressive understanding of the flux pinning theory. Can you give me an answer to my question? It appears that energy can be put into the floating disk-magnet combination by pushing or pulling against the disk. Where does the energy show up in the system? Does the disk heat up a small amount as I push or pull on the disk or does the magnet get the energy? This question may be related to the amount of force required to displace the disk. There may be important information revealed as a result of the energy transfer. I eagerly await your answer. Dave Hi Dave, Here is guess for you. The magnetic pressure P = B^2/(2*mu0) is reduced in the volume immediately below and above the puck, except in the thin volumes near the puck of flux transiting the thin vortices in which lines of flux are pinned. The magnetic pressure immediately adjacent to the sides of the puck, and adjacent to the pinning locations is increased. Any movement of the puck relative to a given magnet, provided the movement does not involve a canceling symmetry, such as rotation above a single magnet, or movement on a single magnet track, changes the local B and/or volume in which the B resides, and thus magnetic pressure, and thus energy of the system. Pushing the magnet into place merely involves compressing the B into a higher average pressure, and thus consumes energy. The energy in the B resides in the polarized vacuum. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
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Is it posible the RF signal is warming the superconductor just above the critical temperature so that it drops? Harry On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:48 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100 years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10 mega hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what you say. Now we know how energy is released. Energy is pinned with the atom by the same mechanism, discontinuities. Where are the discontinuities in the atom, here there are below. http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/10710753/the-elastic-limit-of-space-and-the-quantum-condition What can you predict knowing the observed release condition? Try the energy levels of the hydrogen atom, the intensity of spectral emission, the distribution of electrons in the atom, and the frequency and energy of the photon. see below http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/1078/the-control-of-the-natural-forces If you are so bright, where is your peer reviewed paper. Here it is below. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092 An understating of flux pinning and flux release has the potential to transform the study of physics and our society. That my story and I am sticking to it, no matter what Jones says. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur. No it is not. This flux pinning thing is a big deal. The same mechanism accounts for the pinning of flux in a superconductor accounts for the energy levels of the atom. A solution that includes both provides for a classical foundation for quantum physics. Flux is pinned in the nucleus too. An understanding of the release mechanism provides for a new understanding of the cold fusion reaction. Flux is pinned at discontinuities. It is shook free by a vibration at a dimensional frequency of 1,094,000 meters/second. Thats it. I did the experiment with the superconductor, Horace now has it. Frank Znidarsic
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Note that superconductors have zero resistance only for DC. At all frequencies above DC, the resistance is finite and there is penetration. Consider also that true DC extends from time -infinity to +infinity as a constant. Moving the superconductor in a magnetic field does create resistance because the supercurrents are not DC. Bob Higgins -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:27 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation Is it posible the RF signal is warming the superconductor just above the critical temperature so that it drops? Harry On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:48 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100 years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10 mega hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what you say. Now we know how energy is released. Energy is pinned with the atom by the same mechanism, discontinuities. Where are the discontinuities in the atom, here there are below. http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/10710753/the-elastic-limit-of-space-and-the-quantum-condition What can you predict knowing the observed release condition? Try the energy levels of the hydrogen atom, the intensity of spectral emission, the distribution of electrons in the atom, and the frequency and energy of the photon. see below http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/1078/the-control-of-the-natural-forces If you are so bright, where is your peer reviewed paper. Here it is below. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092 An understating of flux pinning and flux release has the potential to transform the study of physics and our society. That my story and I am sticking to it, no matter what Jones says. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur. No it is not. This flux pinning thing is a big deal. The same mechanism accounts for the pinning of flux in a superconductor accounts for the energy levels of the atom. A solution that includes both provides for a classical foundation for quantum physics. Flux is pinned in the nucleus too. An understanding of the release mechanism provides for a new understanding of the cold fusion reaction. Flux is pinned at discontinuities. It is shook free by a vibration at a dimensional frequency of 1,094,000 meters/second. Thats it. I did the experiment with the superconductor, Horace now has it. Frank Znidarsic
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I don't know. I was looking for anomalous energy and did not follow through on the loss of the circulating currrent. That sort of happened. I detected no anomalous energy or gravitational anomaly. -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 8:27 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation Is it posible the RF signal is warming the superconductor just above the critical temperature so that it drops? Harry On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:48 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100 years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10 mega hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what you say. Now we know how energy is released. Energy is pinned with the atom by the same mechanism, discontinuities. Where are the discontinuities in the atom, here there are below. http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/10710753/the-elastic-limit-of-space-and-the-quantum-condition What can you predict knowing the observed release condition? Try the energy levels of the hydrogen atom, the intensity of spectral emission, the distribution of electrons in the atom, and the frequency and energy of the photon. see below http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/1078/the-control-of-the-natural-forces If you are so bright, where is your peer reviewed paper. Here it is below. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092 An understating of flux pinning and flux release has the potential to transform the study of physics and our society. That my story and I am sticking to it, no matter what Jones says. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur. No it is not. This flux pinning thing is a big deal. The same mechanism accounts for the pinning of flux in a superconductor accounts for the energy levels of the atom. A solution that includes both provides for a classical foundation for quantum physics. Flux is pinned in the nucleus too. An understanding of the release mechanism provides for a new understanding of the cold fusion reaction. Flux is pinned at discontinuities. It is shook free by a vibration at a dimensional frequency of 1,094,000 meters/second. Thats it. I did the experiment with the superconductor, Horace now has it. Frank Znidarsic
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thanks for the info -Original Message- From: Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 8:48 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:quantum levitation Note that superconductors have zero resistance only for DC. At all frequencies above DC, the resistance is finite and there is penetration. Consider also that true DC extends from time -infinity to +infinity as a constant. Moving the superconductor in a magnetic field does create resistance because the supercurrents are not DC. Bob Higgins -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:27 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation Is it posible the RF signal is warming the superconductor just above the critical temperature so that it drops? Harry On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:48 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100 years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10 mega hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what you say. Now we know how energy is released. Energy is pinned with the atom by the same mechanism, discontinuities. Where are the discontinuities in the atom, here there are below. http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/10710753/the-elastic-limit-of-space-and-the-quantum-condition What can you predict knowing the observed release condition? Try the energy levels of the hydrogen atom, the intensity of spectral emission, the distribution of electrons in the atom, and the frequency and energy of the photon. see below http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/1078/the-control-of-the-natural-forces If you are so bright, where is your peer reviewed paper. Here it is below. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092 An understating of flux pinning and flux release has the potential to transform the study of physics and our society. That my story and I am sticking to it, no matter what Jones says. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur. No it is not. This flux pinning thing is a big deal. The same mechanism accounts for the pinning of flux in a superconductor accounts for the energy levels of the atom. A solution that includes both provides for a classical foundation for quantum physics. Flux is pinned in the nucleus too. An understanding of the release mechanism provides for a new understanding of the cold fusion reaction. Flux is pinned at discontinuities. It is shook free by a vibration at a dimensional frequency of 1,094,000 meters/second. Thats it. I did the experiment with the superconductor, Horace now has it. Frank Znidarsic
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I have also tried to stimulate nickel and palladium wires in a nitrogen bath with RF energy. The cryogenics were intended to extend the domain of the superconductivity. The RF was tuned from 60 to 1000 mega hertz. No anomalous energy was produced. go to page six of the link below and the video will run on IE. I have, however, learned from my mistakes and believe that I can now do it. I now have some people helping me. The best outcome for me is if Rossi clearly produces thermal energy. That will open more doors. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapterb.html#Pg6 Frank -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 12:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation thanks for the info -Original Message- From: Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 8:48 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:quantum levitation Note that superconductors have zero resistance only for DC. At all frequencies above DC, the resistance is finite and there is penetration. Consider also that true DC extends from time -infinity to +infinity as a constant. Moving the superconductor in a magnetic field does create resistance because the supercurrents are not DC. Bob Higgins -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:27 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation Is it posible the RF signal is warming the superconductor just above the critical temperature so that it drops? Harry On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:48 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100 years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10 mega hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what you say. Now we know how energy is released. Energy is pinned with the atom by the same mechanism, discontinuities. Where are the discontinuities in the atom, here there are below. http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/10710753/the-elastic-limit-of-space-and-the-quantum-condition What can you predict knowing the observed release condition? Try the energy levels of the hydrogen atom, the intensity of spectral emission, the distribution of electrons in the atom, and the frequency and energy of the photon. see below http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/1078/the-control-of-the-natural-forces If you are so bright, where is your peer reviewed paper. Here it is below. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092 An understating of flux pinning and flux release has the potential to transform the study of physics and our society. That my story and I am sticking to it, no matter what Jones says. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur. No it is not. This flux pinning thing is a big deal. The same mechanism accounts for the pinning of flux in a superconductor accounts for the energy levels of the atom. A solution that includes both provides for a classical foundation for quantum physics. Flux is pinned in the nucleus too. An understanding of the release mechanism provides for a new understanding of the cold fusion reaction. Flux is pinned at discontinuities. It is shook free by a vibration at a dimensional frequency of 1,094,000 meters/second. Thats it. I did the experiment with the superconductor, Horace now has it. Frank Znidarsic
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On Oct 17, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA pretty Very cool! Check out this one too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyOtIsnG71U Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
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On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:15 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com If the law of inertia is universally true, some sort of centripetal force is required to keep the disc revolving in a circle as it moves above the magnets. I can vaguely grasp how the phenomena of locking preserves the tilt of the disc, but how does locking bring about the necessary centripetal force? Harry It is a beautiful presentation and raises several good questions such as: It appears to take force to get the disk to move close to the supporting magnetic structure. This suggests that energy has to be applied to the system as the force occurs over a finite distance. Then if the disk is removed, force again must be applied in the opposite direction. More energy is absorbed by the system of magnet and disk. Now, where does the energy go which is supplied? I understand that a superconductor does not allow resistive loss from current flow so I suspect magnet must gain energy. Does it actually become warmer as a result of this operation? Dave Hmmm it obvious now. Clearly a superconductor can be made to exhibit both attractive and replusive behaviour simultaneously through the effect of flux trapping. The attractive behaviour is what keeps the disc on the tract. However, when I took undergraduate physics 25 only the meissner effect which results in repulsion was mentioned. After doing some on line research I found out it was considerably more difficult to produce flux trapping with the superconductors that were available in the 80's. I guess the impractical nature of demonstrating fluxtrapping meant the phenomena need not be mentioned. Harry
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All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur. Now if this were done in a Vacuum then there would be zero air friction naturally, the superconductor would be easier to keep cold and it could just go on and on and on and on and on. On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:15 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com If the law of inertia is universally true, some sort of centripetal force is required to keep the disc revolving in a circle as it moves above the magnets. I can vaguely grasp how the phenomena of locking preserves the tilt of the disc, but how does locking bring about the necessary centripetal force? Harry It is a beautiful presentation and raises several good questions such as: It appears to take force to get the disk to move close to the supporting magnetic structure. This suggests that energy has to be applied to the system as the force occurs over a finite distance. Then if the disk is removed, force again must be applied in the opposite direction. More energy is absorbed by the system of magnet and disk. Now, where does the energy go which is supplied? I understand that a superconductor does not allow resistive loss from current flow so I suspect magnet must gain energy. Does it actually become warmer as a result of this operation? Dave Hmmm it obvious now. Clearly a superconductor can be made to exhibit both attractive and replusive behaviour simultaneously through the effect of flux trapping. The attractive behaviour is what keeps the disc on the tract. However, when I took undergraduate physics 25 only the meissner effect which results in repulsion was mentioned. After doing some on line research I found out it was considerably more difficult to produce flux trapping with the superconductors that were available in the 80's. I guess the impractical nature of demonstrating fluxtrapping meant the phenomena need not be mentioned. Harry -- If we doubt we can hardly hope to Shine. Be Alive when you are alive! You can't BE later. Life is not important, significant, serious or weighty. Life is a dance to be enjoyed. It is You and I that are important, Living life is at stake! There is no someday. There is no right way. There is only now. Virtue or Vice, a moment of pain for a lifetime of pleasure, or a moment of pleasure for a lifetime of pain. Construction or destruction, it is just a matter of order in which you experience pain and joy, spirit and integrity or weakness of flesh. If you aren't making mistakes, you aren't doing enough. How you feel is feedback on what you are currently doing and not informing you of what to do, don't wait to feel like it. Do it and see how you feel.
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This is a marvelous effect. I wonder if it would simplify the problem of mag-lev trains, especially ones that run vertically along a space elevator? Conventional mag-lev trains use magnetic force to lift the train, and gravity to oppose the lift. They require complex controls to keep the train car the right distance from the track. I do not think they would work going straight up or straight down. Or upside down for that matter. I guess you would have to have two magnets on opposing sides of a track, pulling and pushing to keep it on the track, plus magnetic force to raise the vehicle. It would be better if you could set the car at the right distance and angle, and have it maintain that distance by physical laws rather than human controls. It might be good for roller coasters too. - Jed
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John, Do you know where the energy goes that is put into the system of magnet and disk due to the movement I mentioned? I assume it had to become heat energy in one of the two parts of the system. Is it the magnet or the disk? My first thought is that the magnet is the sink. Dave From: John Berry aethe...@gmail.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 5:35 pm All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur. Now if this were done in a Vacuum then there would be zero air friction naturally, the superconductor would be easier to keep cold and it could just go on and on and on and on and on. On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:15 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com If the law of inertia is universally true, some sort of centripetal force is required to keep the disc revolving in a circle as it moves above the magnets. I can vaguely grasp how the phenomena of locking preserves the tilt of the disc, but how does locking bring about the necessary centripetal force? Harry It is a beautiful presentation and raises several good questions such as: It appears to take force to get the disk to move close to the supporting magnetic structure. This suggests that energy has to be applied to the system as the force occurs over a finite distance. Then if the disk is removed, force again must be applied in the opposite direction. More energy is absorbed by the system of magnet and disk. Now, where does the energy go which is supplied? I understand that a superconductor does not allow resistive loss from current flow so I suspect magnet must gain energy. Does it actually become warmer as a result of this operation? Dave Hmmm it obvious now. Clearly a superconductor can be made to exhibit both attractive and replusive behaviour simultaneously through the effect of flux trapping. The attractive behaviour is what keeps the disc on the tract. However, when I took undergraduate physics 25 only the meissner effect which results in repulsion was mentioned. After doing some on line research I found out it was considerably more difficult to produce flux trapping with the superconductors that were available in the 80's. I guess the impractical nature of demonstrating fluxtrapping meant the phenomena need not be mentioned. Harry -- If we doubt we can hardly hope to Shine. Be Alive when you are alive! You can't BE later. Life is not important, significant, serious or weighty. Life is a dance to be enjoyed. It is You and I that are important, Living life is at stake! There is no someday. There is no right way. There is only now. Virtue or Vice, a moment of pain for a lifetime of pleasure, or a moment of pleasure for a lifetime of pain. Construction or destruction, it is just a matter of order in which you experience pain and joy, spirit and integrity or weakness of flesh. If you aren't making mistakes, you aren't doing enough. How you feel is feedback on what you are currently doing and not informing you of what to do, don't wait to feel like it. Do it and see how you feel.
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All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur. No it is not. This flux pinning thing is a big deal. The same mechanism accounts for the pinning of flux in a superconductor accounts for the energy levels of the atom. A solution that includes both provides for a classical foundation for quantum physics. Flux is pinned in the nucleus too. An understanding of the release mechanism provides for a new understanding of the cold fusion reaction. Flux is pinned at discontinuities. It is shook free by a vibration at a dimensional frequency of 1,094,000 meters/second. Thats it. I did the experiment with the superconductor, Horace now has it. Frank Znidarsic
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A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100 years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10 mega hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what you say. Now we know how energy is released. Energy is pinned with the atom by the same mechanism, discontinuities. Where are the discontinuities in the atom, here there are below. http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/10710753/the-elastic-limit-of-space-and-the-quantum-condition What can you predict knowing the observed release condition? Try the energy levels of the hydrogen atom, the intensity of spectral emission, the distribution of electrons in the atom, and the frequency and energy of the photon. see below http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/1078/the-control-of-the-natural-forces If you are so bright, where is your peer reviewed paper. Here it is below. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092 An understating of flux pinning and flux release has the potential to transform the study of physics and our society. That my story and I am sticking to it, no matter what Jones says. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur. No it is not. This flux pinning thing is a big deal. The same mechanism accounts for the pinning of flux in a superconductor accounts for the energy levels of the atom. A solution that includes both provides for a classical foundation for quantum physics. Flux is pinned in the nucleus too. An understanding of the release mechanism provides for a new understanding of the cold fusion reaction. Flux is pinned at discontinuities. It is shook free by a vibration at a dimensional frequency of 1,094,000 meters/second. Thats it. I did the experiment with the superconductor, Horace now has it. Frank Znidarsic
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Hello Frank, You have an impressive understanding of the flux pinning theory. Can you give me an answer to my question? It appears that energy can be put into the floating disk-magnet combination by pushing or pulling against the disk. Where does the energy show up in the system? Does the disk heat up a small amount as I push or pull on the disk or does the magnet get the energy? This question may be related to the amount of force required to displace the disk. There may be important information revealed as a result of the energy transfer. I eagerly await your answer. Dave -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 11:49 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100 years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10 mega hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what you say. Now we know how energy is released. Energy is pinned with the atom by the same mechanism, discontinuities. Where are the discontinuities in the atom, here there are below. http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/10710753/the-elastic-limit-of-space-and-the-quantum-condition What can you predict knowing the observed release condition? Try the energy levels of the hydrogen atom, the intensity of spectral emission, the distribution of electrons in the atom, and the frequency and energy of the photon. see below http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/1078/the-control-of-the-natural-forces If you are so bright, where is your peer reviewed paper. Here it is below. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092 An understating of flux pinning and flux release has the potential to transform the study of physics and our society. That my story and I am sticking to it, no matter what Jones says. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur. No it is not. This flux pinning thing is a big deal. The same mechanism accounts for the pinning of flux in a superconductor accounts for the energy levels of the atom. A solution that includes both provides for a classical foundation for quantum physics. Flux is pinned in the nucleus too. An understanding of the release mechanism provides for a new understanding of the cold fusion reaction. Flux is pinned at discontinuities. It is shook free by a vibration at a dimensional frequency of 1,094,000 meters/second. Thats it. I did the experiment with the superconductor, Horace now has it. Frank Znidarsic
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Astounding! - Jed
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Not so, now you see the states are locked by a discontinuity placed in the superconductor. The superconductor will drop with the application of a radio wave a dimensional frequency of 1 million meters per second. been there done that. Now in the process of forming a company to produce electrical energy directly from a cold fusion reaction.. I have a friend at DARPA. -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation Astounding! - Jed
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Am 18.10.2011 00:19, schrieb Esa Ruoho: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA pretty Wow!
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If the law of inertia is universally true, some sort of centripetal force is required to keep the disc revolving in a circle as it moves above the magnets. I can vaguely grasp how the phenomena of locking preserves the tilt of the disc, but how does locking bring about the necessary centripetal force? Harry On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 7:15 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Not so, now you see the states are locked by a discontinuity placed in the superconductor. The superconductor will drop with the application of a radio wave a dimensional frequency of 1 million meters per second. been there done that. Now in the process of forming a company to produce electrical energy directly from a cold fusion reaction.. I have a friend at DARPA. -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 2:47 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation Astounding! - Jed
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From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com If the law of inertia is universally true, some sort of centripetal force is required to keep the disc revolving in a circle as it moves above the magnets. I can vaguely grasp how the phenomena of locking preserves the tilt of the disc, but how does locking bring about the necessary centripetal force? Harry It is a beautiful presentation and raises several good questions such as: It appears to take force to get the disk to move close to the supporting magnetic structure. This suggests that energy has to be applied to the system as the force occurs over a finite distance. Then if the disk is removed, force again must be applied in the opposite direction. More energy is absorbed by the system of magnet and disk. Now, where does the energy go which is supplied? I understand that a superconductor does not allow resistive loss from current flow so I suspect magnet must gain energy. Does it actually become warmer as a result of this operation? Dave
