Re: Dictation not showing command list

[Neil Houghton]

Hi Kaye,

I don¹t use dictation and this is probably a VERY long shot ;o)

I have occasionally had problems (various) where things weren¹t working as
expected and found that relaunching finder restored order.

Of course, rebooting the machine would be a more forceful way of achieving
the same.

But you have probably done the usual of rebooting the machine, seeing if the
problem is there on another user account, etc?


Cheers



Neil
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on 14/4/16 10:58, kaye and geoff at k...@kgweb.org.au wrote:

> Hi Ronni,
> 
>> Is she trying to access the ³show Commands² this way?
>> To see a list of all the commands you can access, activate Dictation (press
>> fn fn), wait for the beep, and then say ³Show commands²
> 
> Yes - she is familiar with using Dictation and has previously been able to see
> commands by doing it this way - now all she gets is an empty (formatted) page
> - no commands are listed
> 
>> When you're dictating, pause before saying a command. Otherwise, OS X may
>> interpret it as dictation.
> 
> Not an issue
> 
>> Check in System Preferences > Accessibility and choose Dictation in the list
>> to the left. 
>> Click 'Dictation Commands' and then select the 'Enable Advanced Commands'
>> option. 
>> Click done in the preference pane to activate advanced commands.
> 
> She has been using the Advanced Commands mode for some months now and it has
> always shown her a list of commands when asked to do so - now it just shows
> the empty page. 
> 
> She is able to use Dictation without trouble; the commands all work, even
> "Show commands" - it is just the response to the "Show commands" request that
> has changed. This is true for the Finder, Pages, and Mail - all places where
> you would expect to see a list of commands applicable to the current program.
> It happens for English, French and Spanish (using the equivalent commands to
> show the list).
> 
> I haven't been able to find any reported problem like this in other Mac
> forums.
> 
> Cheers, K
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kaye and Geoff
> k...@kgweb.org.au
> 

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Re: Dictation not showing command list

[kaye and geoff]

Hi Ronni,

> Is she trying to access the “show Commands” this way?
> To see a list of all the commands you can access, activate Dictation (press 
> fn fn), wait for the beep, and then say “Show commands”

Yes - she is familiar with using Dictation and has previously been able to see 
commands by doing it this way - now all she gets is an empty (formatted) page - 
no commands are listed

> When you're dictating, pause before saying a command. Otherwise, OS X may 
> interpret it as dictation.

Not an issue

> Check in System Preferences > Accessibility and choose Dictation in the list 
> to the left. 
> Click 'Dictation Commands' and then select the 'Enable Advanced Commands' 
> option. 
> Click done in the preference pane to activate advanced commands.

She has been using the Advanced Commands mode for some months now and it has 
always shown her a list of commands when asked to do so - now it just shows the 
empty page. 

She is able to use Dictation without trouble; the commands all work, even "Show 
commands" - it is just the response to the "Show commands" request that has 
changed. This is true for the Finder, Pages, and Mail - all places where you 
would expect to see a list of commands applicable to the current program. It 
happens for English, French and Spanish (using the equivalent commands to show 
the list).

I haven't been able to find any reported problem like this in other Mac forums.

Cheers, K




Kaye and Geoff
k...@kgweb.org.au





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Re: Dictation not showing command list

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Kaye,

Is she trying to access the “show Commands” this way?
To see a list of all the commands you can access, activate Dictation (press fn 
fn), wait for the beep, and then say “Show commands”

When you're dictating, pause before saying a command. Otherwise, OS X may 
interpret it as dictation.

Check in System Preferences > Accessibility and choose Dictation in the list to 
the left. 
Click 'Dictation Commands' and then select the 'Enable Advanced Commands' 
option. 
Click done in the preference pane to activate advanced commands.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


On 14 Apr 2016, at 8:29 AM, kaye and geoff > wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have a friend with failing eyesight who is using Enhanced Dictation under 
> El Capitan. Until recently everything worked well, but now the spoken request 
> "Show Commands" returns a formatted screen with no commands listed. She 
> normally dictates in French, but we switched to English (and to Spanish) and 
> tried them with the same result. Dictation continues to work - it responds to 
> the spoken commands and produces documents from spoken dictation in all three 
> languages - but she can no longer get a list of the commands available to be 
> recognised.
> 
> Has anyone else seen this behaviour or have any idea of where we start 
> looking to get her commands displayed. She is unaware of doing anything that 
> may have caused the problem, and I can't find anything in her settings that 
> could turn off displaying the commands.
> 
> Cheers, Kaye
> 
> Kaye and Geoff
> k...@kgweb.org.au 
> 

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Dictation not showing command list

[kaye and geoff]

Hi,

I have a friend with failing eyesight who is using Enhanced Dictation under El 
Capitan. Until recently everything worked well, but now the spoken request 
"Show Commands" returns a formatted screen with no commands listed. She 
normally dictates in French, but we switched to English (and to Spanish) and 
tried them with the same result. Dictation continues to work - it responds to 
the spoken commands and produces documents from spoken dictation in all three 
languages - but she can no longer get a list of the commands available to be 
recognised.

Has anyone else seen this behaviour or have any idea of where we start looking 
to get her commands displayed. She is unaware of doing anything that may have 
caused the problem, and I can't find anything in her settings that could turn 
off displaying the commands.

Cheers, Kaye

Kaye and Geoff
k...@kgweb.org.au





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Re: connnection time machine still lost

[Ronda Brown]

As the person who wrote that suggestion mentions:

"Unsetting the schg flag on /Applications/CrashPlan.app might be a permanent 
fix, but could in theory be unsafe, and CrashPlan would probably just 
reactivate the flag on the next autoupdate anyway."

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 13 Apr 2016, at 2:30 PM, Rosemary Spark  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni,
> I've been reading around.
> 
> This was another suggestion
> 
> sudo find /.MobileBackups.trash/ -flags +schg -exec chflags noschg {} \;
> 
> from https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5750388?tstart=0
> 
> Is this safe?
> It has the virtue of being simpler.
> 
> Cheers
> Rosemary
> 
> 
> Rosemary Spark
> PO Box 781
> South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
> Phone: + 61 8 94336609
> Mobile: 0414268043
> arkaysp...@gmail.com
> 
> 
>> On 11 April 2016 at 19:01, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> Hi Rosemary,
>> 
>>> On 11 Apr 2016, at 12:13 PM, Rosemary Spark  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni,
>>> I found this discussion but I'm not that familiar with terminal
>> 
>> After reading the complete log you sent in previous email, and knowing that 
>> you are not very familiar with using Terminal. 
>> The Terminal commands required are using sudo  - and you need to be VERY 
>> careful when using the sudo command. 
>> You could type a command incorrectly and destroy the system!
>> 
>> I would recommend you contact either Daniel or another consultant to come 
>> and carry out the necessary procedures to fix this CrashPlan.app problem in 
>> Time Machine backups.
>> As I mentioned before seeing the complete log… 
>> /begin quote:
>> Without seeing the complete log file of your TM backupd just the parts of 
>> the log below indicates to me CrashPlan is the problem.
>> 
>> You would also see in the logs that TimeMachine is having issues thinning 
>> old backups on TimeCapsule, and worse yet, TimeMachine won't thin the 
>> MobileBackups on your Mac, meaning your SSD or hard drive will being filled 
>> up by backups that would never be deleted.
>> 
>> It seems when you install CrashPlan, it sets file system attributes that do 
>> not allow itself to get deleted. With a bit of command-line wizardry, you 
>> can fix this problem. You need to remove the attributes from all instances 
>> of CrashPlan.app in all backed-up locations.
>> AND then Exclude CrashPlan from TM backups
>> 
>> This Apple discussion should help you with the terminal commands: 
>> 
>> /end quote:
>> 
>> Or if you don’t wish to wait until you can get an appointment with a 
>> consultant, I would suggest you:
>> Start Again:
>> A) Erase the Data disk in Time Capsule (that will erase everything - both 
>> computer backups (yours & your husbands).
>> 1. Open Airport Utility
>> 2. Select Time Capsule
>> 3. Then 'Edit'
>> 4. Then 'Disks'
>> 5. Then 'Erase Disk' button
>> 
>> You will get a confirmation prompt, defaulted to "Quick Erase", which is 
>> fine for most purposes.
>> 
>> B) Then Exclude CrashPlan from TM backups
>> add /Applications/CrashPlan.app to the excluded list for TimeMachine backups 
>> so that it is not backed up again.
>> 
>> System Preferences > Time Machine - click on Options 
>> exclude/Applications/CrashPlan.app from Time Machine. 
>> Otherwise you will continue to create more problematic snapshots in Time 
>> Machine.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
>> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
>> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
>> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>> 
>> El Capitan OS X 10.11.4
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Re: connnection time machine still lost

[Rosemary Spark]

Hi Ronni,
I've been reading around.

This was another suggestion

*sudo find /.MobileBackups.trash/ -flags +schg -exec chflags noschg {} \;*

from https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5750388?tstart=0

Is this safe?
It has the virtue of being simpler.

Cheers
Rosemary


Rosemary Spark
PO Box 781
South Fremantle WA 6162 Australia
Phone: + 61 8 94336609
Mobile: 0414268043
arkaysp...@gmail.com

On 11 April 2016 at 19:01, Ronni Brown  wrote:

> Hi Rosemary,
>
> On 11 Apr 2016, at 12:13 PM, Rosemary Spark  wrote:
>
> Hi Ronni,
> I found this discussion but I'm not that familiar with terminal
>
>
> After reading the complete log you sent in previous email, and knowing
> that you are not very familiar with using Terminal.
> The Terminal commands required are using *sudo*  - and you need to be
> VERY careful when using the sudo command.
> You could type a command incorrectly and destroy the system!
>
> I would recommend you contact either Daniel or another consultant to come
> and carry out the necessary procedures to fix this CrashPlan.app problem in
> Time Machine backups.
> As I mentioned before seeing the complete log…
> /begin quote:
> Without seeing the complete log file of your TM backupd just the parts of
> the log below indicates to me CrashPlan is the problem.
>
> You would also see in the logs that TimeMachine is having issues thinning
> old backups on TimeCapsule, and worse yet, TimeMachine won't thin the
> MobileBackups on your Mac, meaning your SSD or hard drive will being filled
> up by backups that would never be deleted.
>
> It seems when you install CrashPlan, it sets file system attributes
> that do not allow itself to get deleted. With a bit of
> command-line wizardry, you can fix this problem. You need to *remove the
> attributes from all instances of CrashPlan.app in all backed-up locations.*
> *AND then Exclude CrashPlan from TM backups*
>
> This Apple discussion should help you with the terminal commands: <
> https://discussions.apple.com/message/29277434#29277434>
> /end quote:
>
> Or if you don’t wish to wait until you can get an appointment with a
> consultant, I would suggest you:
> Start Again:
> *A) Erase the Data disk in Time Capsule* (that will erase everything -
> both computer backups (yours & your husbands).
> 1. Open Airport Utility
> 2. Select Time Capsule
> 3. Then 'Edit'
> 4. Then 'Disks'
> 5. Then 'Erase Disk' button
>
> You will get a confirmation prompt, defaulted to "Quick Erase", which is
> fine for most purposes.
>
> *B) Then Exclude CrashPlan from TM backups*
> add /Applications/CrashPlan.app to the excluded list for TimeMachine
> backups so that it is not backed up again.
>
> System Preferences > Time Machine - click on Options
> exclude/Applications/CrashPlan.app from Time Machine.
> Otherwise you will continue to create more problematic snapshots in Time
> Machine.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Ronni
>
> *13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)*
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
>
> El Capitan OS X 10.11.4
>
>
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