Re: Built-in FM tuner

2009-09-15 Thread Ray Forma 


Sev & other interested folk,

I have tried to research the area of digital radio but reliable 
sources are far and few between. For example, the first time I have 
come across the frequency that the DAB+ digital broadcasters are 
using is in James / Hans Kunz's contribution to this discussion. At 
last I know what type and dimension of antenna I should be designing.


What I have also found out is that it seems that in Australia the big 
cities will have DAB+ digital, but the rest of the country will get 
DRM (Digital Radio Mondiale), which uses Mediumwave (AM), Shortwave 
(AM) and FM frequencies to carry digital signals over much greater 
distances than the high-frequency DAB+ transmissions.


So, if you live away from the current DAB+ transmitter sites then 
don't buy a digital receiver that only decodes DAB+.


The ABC is already testing DRM on 1386kHz AM from a 3kW transmitter 
in Wollongong, NSW, and there are several shortwave DRM broadcasts 
that you can receive in Western Australia with a suitable receiver.


Have a look at 
, and 
their main page.


I hope that the EyeTV people will soon produce software that will 
allow us to decode digital radio via our Macs.


Let us know if you can find out more about future plans for digital 
radio in Australia.



Neil, with my settop box I also get several ABC and SBS digital radio channels
Severin

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Re: Built-in FM tuner

2009-09-11 Thread James / Hans Kunz 
digital radio is an own world, 2 transmitters are broadcasting the 28  
stations, but only in the area coast to midland & leda/kwinana to  
clarkson/bullsbrook
the broadcast frequencies are in the 206mhz range (close to the old  
tv ch 10), the encoding is aac 80kbp/s or for talk stations like 6pr  
it's 64kb/s (europe is using mp3)
all station (old fm & old am) are in very good stereo & the radios  
can be connected to a stereo system to enjoy the full quality


if you are receiving tv directly from the city transmitters, you may  
use the same antenna (& booster amp) to connect to the digital  
receiver, the radio must carry the marking DAB+ for to be a digital  
radio

cheers James

On 11/09/2009, at 13:46, Severin Crisp wrote:



Thanks for that clarification, Neil.  We only ever listen to ABC  
Radio National or ABC Classic FM so I have never even gone further  
than noting that those "digital" stations are there.

Regards
Severin

On 11/09/2009, at 11:21 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:



Hi Severin,

My understanding is that the radio stations you get on our settop  
box are
just another channel multiplexed from the TV transmitter - whilst  
they are
certainly "digital" you could think of it as digital TV without  
pictures ;)


The recent rollout of digital radio is quite different.

The new digital radios that are being sold wouldn't pick up the radio
channels that your settop box does and viceversa.

As far as I know, if you have one of the new digital radios in  
Albany you
would pick up nothing! - unless you had one of the models that  
also includes

FM.


Cheers


Neil
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on 11/9/09 10:14 AM, Severin Crisp at sevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote:



Neil, with my settop box I also get several ABC and SBS digital  
radio

channels
Severin

On 11/09/2009, at 9:51 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:



Well, there will probably be several more iPod models before we see
digital
radio down here in Albany - there is still no sign of commercial
digital TV
yet!! (Though with ABC1, ABC2, SBS1 & now SBS2 I'm not really
missing GWN &
WIN!)

Cheers


Neil
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com


on 11/9/09 5:48 AM, Paul Weaver at pwea...@westnet.com.au wrote:



I see Apple are trumpeting "The new built-in FM tuner" in their
latest iPod
nano.  Maybe someone could tell them that FM has become old
fashioned in
Australia and digital radio is all the go.

Paul.


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Re: Built-in FM tuner

2009-09-10 Thread Severin Crisp 


Thanks for that clarification, Neil.  We only ever listen to ABC Radio  
National or ABC Classic FM so I have never even gone further than  
noting that those "digital" stations are there.

Regards
Severin

On 11/09/2009, at 11:21 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:



Hi Severin,

My understanding is that the radio stations you get on our settop  
box are
just another channel multiplexed from the TV transmitter - whilst  
they are
certainly "digital" you could think of it as digital TV without  
pictures ;)


The recent rollout of digital radio is quite different.

The new digital radios that are being sold wouldn't pick up the radio
channels that your settop box does and viceversa.

As far as I know, if you have one of the new digital radios in  
Albany you
would pick up nothing! - unless you had one of the models that also  
includes

FM.


Cheers


Neil
--
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com

on 11/9/09 10:14 AM, Severin Crisp at sevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote:



Neil, with my settop box I also get several ABC and SBS digital radio
channels
Severin

On 11/09/2009, at 9:51 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:



Well, there will probably be several more iPod models before we see
digital
radio down here in Albany - there is still no sign of commercial
digital TV
yet!! (Though with ABC1, ABC2, SBS1 & now SBS2 I'm not really
missing GWN &
WIN!)

Cheers


Neil
--
Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com


on 11/9/09 5:48 AM, Paul Weaver at pwea...@westnet.com.au wrote:



I see Apple are trumpeting "The new built-in FM tuner" in their
latest iPod
nano.  Maybe someone could tell them that FM has become old
fashioned in
Australia and digital radio is all the go.

Paul.


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Re: Built-in FM tuner

2009-09-10 Thread Neil Houghton 

Hi Severin,

My understanding is that the radio stations you get on our settop box are
just another channel multiplexed from the TV transmitter - whilst they are
certainly "digital" you could think of it as digital TV without pictures ;)

The recent rollout of digital radio is quite different.

The new digital radios that are being sold wouldn't pick up the radio
channels that your settop box does and viceversa.

As far as I know, if you have one of the new digital radios in Albany you
would pick up nothing! - unless you had one of the models that also includes
FM.


Cheers


Neil
-- 
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com

on 11/9/09 10:14 AM, Severin Crisp at sevcr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

> 
> Neil, with my settop box I also get several ABC and SBS digital radio
> channels
> Severin
> 
> On 11/09/2009, at 9:51 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Well, there will probably be several more iPod models before we see
>> digital
>> radio down here in Albany - there is still no sign of commercial
>> digital TV
>> yet!! (Though with ABC1, ABC2, SBS1 & now SBS2 I'm not really
>> missing GWN &
>> WIN!)
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> Neil
>> -- 
>> Neil R. Houghton
>> Albany, Western Australia
>> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
>> Email: n...@possumology.com
>> 
>> 
>> on 11/9/09 5:48 AM, Paul Weaver at pwea...@westnet.com.au wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I see Apple are trumpeting "The new built-in FM tuner" in their
>>> latest iPod
>>> nano.  Maybe someone could tell them that FM has become old
>>> fashioned in
>>> Australia and digital radio is all the go.
>>> 
>>> Paul.
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Re: Built-in FM tuner

2009-09-10 Thread Michael Hawkins 

Severin,

Are you able to get the newly launched digital channels on your set-top box?

I have a HD box but can't get them, just the couple of ABC and SBS radio
stations.

Regards,

Michael Hawkins.


On 11/9/09 10:14 AM, "Severin Crisp"  wrote:

> 
> Neil, with my settop box I also get several ABC and SBS digital radio
> channels
> Severin
> 
> On 11/09/2009, at 9:51 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Well, there will probably be several more iPod models before we see
>> digital
>> radio down here in Albany - there is still no sign of commercial
>> digital TV
>> yet!! (Though with ABC1, ABC2, SBS1 & now SBS2 I'm not really
>> missing GWN &
>> WIN!)
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> Neil
>> -- 
>> Neil R. Houghton
>> Albany, Western Australia
>> Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
>> Email: n...@possumology.com
>> 
>> 
>> on 11/9/09 5:48 AM, Paul Weaver at pwea...@westnet.com.au wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I see Apple are trumpeting "The new built-in FM tuner" in their
>>> latest iPod
>>> nano.  Maybe someone could tell them that FM has become old
>>> fashioned in
>>> Australia and digital radio is all the go.
>>> 
>>> Paul.
>>> 
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Re: Built-in FM tuner

2009-09-10 Thread Severin Crisp 


Neil, with my settop box I also get several ABC and SBS digital radio  
channels

Severin

On 11/09/2009, at 9:51 AM, Neil Houghton wrote:



Well, there will probably be several more iPod models before we see  
digital
radio down here in Albany - there is still no sign of commercial  
digital TV
yet!! (Though with ABC1, ABC2, SBS1 & now SBS2 I'm not really  
missing GWN &

WIN!)

Cheers


Neil
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Neil R. Houghton
Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com


on 11/9/09 5:48 AM, Paul Weaver at pwea...@westnet.com.au wrote:



I see Apple are trumpeting "The new built-in FM tuner" in their  
latest iPod
nano.  Maybe someone could tell them that FM has become old  
fashioned in

Australia and digital radio is all the go.

Paul.


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Re: Built-in FM tuner

2009-09-10 Thread Neil Houghton 

Well, there will probably be several more iPod models before we see digital
radio down here in Albany - there is still no sign of commercial digital TV
yet!! (Though with ABC1, ABC2, SBS1 & now SBS2 I'm not really missing GWN &
WIN!)

Cheers


Neil
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Albany, Western Australia
Tel: +61 8 9841 6063
Email: n...@possumology.com


on 11/9/09 5:48 AM, Paul Weaver at pwea...@westnet.com.au wrote:

> 
> I see Apple are trumpeting "The new built-in FM tuner" in their latest iPod
> nano.  Maybe someone could tell them that FM has become old fashioned in
> Australia and digital radio is all the go.
> 
> Paul.
> 
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