Re: [Warzone-dev] [Warzone-commits] r1164 - /trunk/lib/ivis_opengl/screen.c
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Re: [Warzone-dev] [Warzone-commits] r1164 - /trunk/lib/ivis_opengl/screen.c
On 4/23/07, Giel van Schijndel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Use a variable sized array for the scanline array Much as I like variable size arrays, this will break MSVC builds, since MSVC does not support this (it is not a C99-compatible compiler, which really sucks). - Per ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] [Warzone-commits] r1164 - /trunk/lib/ivis_opengl/screen.c
On 4/23/07, Per Inge Mathisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/07, Giel van Schijndel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Use a variable sized array for the scanline array Much as I like variable size arrays, this will break MSVC builds, since MSVC does not support this (it is not a C99-compatible compiler, which really sucks). alloca() ? -- - Gus ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] [Warzone-commits] r1164 - /trunk/lib/ivis_opengl/screen.c
Angus Lees schreef: On 4/23/07, *Per Inge Mathisen* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/07, Giel van Schijndel [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Use a variable sized array for the scanline array Much as I like variable size arrays, this will break MSVC builds, since MSVC does not support this (it is not a C99-compatible compiler, which really sucks). alloca() ? alloca isn't even standard C, although most _modern_ C compilers support it. Most compilers that support variable sized arrays define those in terms of alloca. So someone who was MSVC will have to confirm that alloca works with MSVC first. Also on Microsoft's page for the C RunTime library reference for VS.NET, they state at the end of the first section (on this page http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/abx4dbyh(VS.80).aspx ): This version of Visual C++ is not conformant with the C99 standard. It seems that Microsoft is almost not working at their C-compiler any more. So I'm wondering should we support a compiler that isn't supported by their developers anymore? -- Giel signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] [Warzone-commits] r1164 - /trunk/lib/ivis_opengl/screen.c
On 4/22/07, Giel van Schijndel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angus Lees schreef: On 4/23/07, *Per Inge Mathisen* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/07, Giel van Schijndel [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Use a variable sized array for the scanline array Much as I like variable size arrays, this will break MSVC builds, since MSVC does not support this (it is not a C99-compatible compiler, which really sucks). alloca() ? alloca isn't even standard C, although most _modern_ C compilers support it. Most compilers that support variable sized arrays define those in terms of alloca. So someone who was MSVC will have to confirm that alloca works with MSVC first. Also on Microsoft's page for the C RunTime library reference for VS.NET, they state at the end of the first section (on this page http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/abx4dbyh(VS.80).aspx ): This version of Visual C++ is not conformant with the C99 standard. It seems that Microsoft is almost not working at their C-compiler any more. So I'm wondering should we support a compiler that isn't supported by their developers anymore? -- Giel ofcourse we should,many users including myself uses MSVC to compile,and I couldnt recall any free software I have used doesnt support MSVC project/compiler ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] [Warzone-commits] r1164 - /trunk/lib/ivis_opengl/screen.c
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:53:38 -0400 The Watermelon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/22/07, Giel van Schijndel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angus Lees schreef: On 4/23/07, *Per Inge Mathisen* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/07, Giel van Schijndel [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Use a variable sized array for the scanline array Much as I like variable size arrays, this will break MSVC builds, since MSVC does not support this (it is not a C99-compatible compiler, which really sucks). alloca() ? alloca isn't even standard C, although most _modern_ C compilers support it. Most compilers that support variable sized arrays define those in terms of alloca. So someone who was MSVC will have to confirm that alloca works with MSVC first. Also on Microsoft's page for the C RunTime library reference for VS.NET, they state at the end of the first section (on this page http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/abx4dbyh(VS.80).aspx ): This version of Visual C++ is not conformant with the C99 standard. It seems that Microsoft is almost not working at their C- compiler any more. So I'm wondering should we support a compiler that isn't supported by their developers anymore? -- Giel ofcourse we should,many users including myself uses MSVC to compile,and I couldnt recall any free software I have used doesnt support MSVC project/compiler MSVC has best editor/debugger around. Download the free express version, and you will see it really is excellent. I no see real reason for use C99 specific code though, sometime it is bit easier, but only gcc supports it. Original code is pure C, so will be shame to fork project if C99 will be used. :( -- Tired of renting? Click here to buy a home without breaking the bank. Get an interest only loan. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/CAaCXv1KoI8B1Dfl1gfbXdQzC903kgnW/ ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] [Warzone-commits] r1164 - /trunk/lib/ivis_opengl/screen.c
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 03:31:47 -0400 Giel van Schijndel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angus Lees schreef: On 4/23/07, *Per Inge Mathisen* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/23/07, Giel van Schijndel [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Use a variable sized array for the scanline array Much as I like variable size arrays, this will break MSVC builds, since MSVC does not support this (it is not a C99-compatible compiler, which really sucks). alloca() ? alloca isn't even standard C, although most _modern_ C compilers support it. Most compilers that support variable sized arrays define those in terms of alloca. So someone who was MSVC will have to confirm that alloca works with MSVC first. I can confirm it no works. It only is OK for C++ compiler. -- Click to become an artist and quit your boring job http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/CAaCXv1P27275om20ZyZMlFZsXctWr2q/ ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] [Warzone-commits] r1164 - /trunk/lib/ivis_opengl/screen.c
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:53:38 -0400 The Watermelon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ofcourse we should,many users including myself uses MSVC to compile,and I couldnt recall any free software I have used doesnt support MSVC project/compiler As for Watermelon's comment: supporting something purely and only because many users use it is stupid (i.e. numbers alone should not be the motivation for supporting MSVC). I do believe there might be other reasons for supporting MSVC, but I don't see number of users to be a valid reason in that list. MSVC has best editor/debugger around. Well that is of course your opinion, so I'm not going to say anything for or against that. Download the free express version, and you will see it really is excellent. Sure, if you can tell me where to get it. And then only the free version of course (not free as in beer, free as in freedom). I have no problem with just doing a testrun or two with that compiler, but actually using it is not something I would want to do. I no see real reason for use C99 specific code though, sometime it is bit easier, but only gcc supports it. Original code is pure C, so will be shame to fork project if C99 will be used. :( Well a very good reason: readability and ease of maintenance. I'm just having trouble with making it ourselves difficult to maintain code purely and only because company X doesn't support its product anymore (i.e. in any other way than fixing some bugs in it). -- Giel signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] [Warzone-commits] r1164 - /trunk/lib/ivis_opengl/screen.c
In 4/23/07, Giel van Schijndel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well a very good reason: readability and ease of maintenance. Ease of maintenance also means making it easy for people to use tools they are used to. For good or bad (as you see it), MSVC is in active use, and so should not be broken by patches. - Per ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] [Warzone-commits] r1164 -/trunk/lib/ivis_opengl/screen.c
This is interesting, in C++ mode MSVC seems to be almost C99 compatible: http://groups.google.nl/group/comp.lang.c/browse_thread/thread/dbb0628227294c59/231a8816e8e87e3e Could someone test this? - Gerard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Per Inge Mathisen Sent: Mon 23-4-2007 21:57 To: Development list Subject: Re: [Warzone-dev] [Warzone-commits] r1164 -/trunk/lib/ivis_opengl/screen.c In 4/23/07, Giel van Schijndel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well a very good reason: readability and ease of maintenance. Ease of maintenance also means making it easy for people to use tools they are used to. For good or bad (as you see it), MSVC is in active use, and so should not be broken by patches. - Per ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] [Warzone-commits] r1164 - /trunk/lib/ivis_opengl/screen.c
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:40:54 -0400 Giel van Schijndel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef: On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:53:38 -0400 The Watermelon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ofcourse we should,many users including myself uses MSVC to compile,and I couldnt recall any free software I have used doesnt support MSVC project/compiler As for Watermelon's comment: supporting something purely and only because many users use it is stupid (i.e. numbers alone should not be the motivation for supporting MSVC). I do believe there might be other reasons for supporting MSVC, but I don't see number of users to be a valid reason in that list. MSVC has best editor/debugger around. Well that is of course your opinion, so I'm not going to say anything for or against that. Download the free express version, and you will see it really is excellent. Sure, if you can tell me where to get it. And then only the free version of course (not free as in beer, free as in freedom). What means that? http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/ # Price: FREE! # Download Size: 35-70 MB per Express Edition Then platform SDK and all rest about 400MB I think. ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] [Warzone-commits] r1164 -/trunk/lib/ivis_opengl/screen.c
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:24:29 -0400 Gerard Krol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is interesting, in C++ mode MSVC seems to be almost C99 compatible: http://groups.google.nl/group/comp.lang.c/browse_thread/thread/dbb0 628227294c59/231a8816e8e87e3e Could someone test this? - Gerard Yes, simple name file .cpp then can compile OK. If change all .c files to .cpp cause errors in some files, stricter control over code, and this is lots to change. ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
