RE:[wdvltalk] [OT] Windows Licensing Queries...

2008-11-12 Thread Furry, Tim
Matt wrote...
The Server will be running a bespoke database application and therefore clients 
will be accessing the database.  The clients will _not_ be accessing any 
file/print services on this server, although they will be authenticating 
against it.

I started to look into this however I can't work out if they organisation needs 
extra licenses for the desktops if all they are doing is authentication and 
access a database that is not an MS product.

Tim replies...
It depends a lot on your application and its footprint. For instance, we put in 
a Win2k3 server but I knew it was only going to serve web apps, so it doesn't 
need CALs and we were able to go with a much less expensive Win2k3 version (web 
version, it's like $500US). I can't install MS databases on it due to the web 
version but our database was elsewhere anyway.

If your clients are running a VB app that is located on the server, I think 
you'll probably need CALs since each user will have to authenticate against the 
server itself before running the app.  If your clients are running the VB app 
on local machines and it reaches across the network to access the server for 
the database, you may or may not need CALs. It's my understanding that CALs are 
primarily needed where users are directly accessing the server to run some 
application.

Cheryl recommended calling MS, and I do too, but you need to gather the 
required information first. At a former job we got three different answers from 
three different MS reps, so it may pay to poke around some. We finally decided 
against CALs and structured the situation to keep direct server logins to a 
minimum.

HTH...don't take it for written in stone though...MS changes licensing every so 
often and it's a real sore spot with small to medium sized businesses. :)

Tim

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Re: [wdvltalk] [OT] Windows Licensing Queries...

2008-11-12 Thread Ross Clutterbuck
Picking up something on Tim said, in my experience I've never needed
any CALs whatsoever. I've always had teh server serving some data
access or whatever and all connections to those services have either
been web access or similar generic calls from locally-run apps -
because I've never had any actual specific user with accounts log in
to the server and have specific user stuff on there you don't need
CALs.

Even if your VB app is using specific user logons, you may still not
need CALs because you're only transferring data to a central store.

You will need CALs if you're storing user-specific information on the
server and local user accounts require authentication with the server
and retrieve settings (like a domain logon).

So yeah, work out exactly how, what and why the VB app is connecting
to the server, how that relates to user logos and then call M$.

MOU

2008/11/12 Furry, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Matt wrote...
 The Server will be running a bespoke database application and therefore 
 clients will be accessing the database.  The clients will _not_ be accessing 
 any file/print services on this server, although they will be authenticating 
 against it.

 I started to look into this however I can't work out if they organisation 
 needs extra licenses for the desktops if all they are doing is authentication 
 and access a database that is not an MS product.

 Tim replies...
 It depends a lot on your application and its footprint. For instance, we put 
 in a Win2k3 server but I knew it was only going to serve web apps, so it 
 doesn't need CALs and we were able to go with a much less expensive Win2k3 
 version (web version, it's like $500US). I can't install MS databases on it 
 due to the web version but our database was elsewhere anyway.

 If your clients are running a VB app that is located on the server, I think 
 you'll probably need CALs since each user will have to authenticate against 
 the server itself before running the app.  If your clients are running the VB 
 app on local machines and it reaches across the network to access the server 
 for the database, you may or may not need CALs. It's my understanding that 
 CALs are primarily needed where users are directly accessing the server to 
 run some application.

 Cheryl recommended calling MS, and I do too, but you need to gather the 
 required information first. At a former job we got three different answers 
 from three different MS reps, so it may pay to poke around some. We finally 
 decided against CALs and structured the situation to keep direct server 
 logins to a minimum.

 HTH...don't take it for written in stone though...MS changes licensing every 
 so often and it's a real sore spot with small to medium sized businesses. :)

 Tim

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RE:[wdvltalk] [OT] Windows Licensing Queries...

2008-11-12 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace

Quoting Furry, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Cheryl recommended calling MS, and I do too, but you need to gather   
the required information first. At a former job we got three   
different answers from three different MS reps, so it may pay to   
poke around some. We finally decided against CALs and structured the  
 situation to keep direct server logins to a minimum.


HTH...don't take it for written in stone though...MS changes   
licensing every so often and it's a real sore spot with small to   
medium sized businesses. :)


It's alright, it's sorted.  The application is based on Cardbox, not  
MSSQL and we can migrate Cardbox to Linux.


F/L/OSS = 1
Microsoft = 0

M. :o)
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