[wdvltalk] Re: [not OT] Serious advice!!!
rudy wrote: > who says a "document" has to be in a format that might contain some worm or virus? Dave followed with: I just dump M$ Office completely and use OpenOffice, it'll still open/save M$ Office files, but without the absolutely cretinous idea of allowing executable code within a document. Why, oh why, oh why does a document need executable code (macros) in it? The only exception would be spreadsheets... Tim submits a simple example: Our law firm submits dozens of legal documents a day - some to clients, some to the courts, some to other services and users. These documents are not always generated from scratch - otherwise, we'd have dozens of secretaries sitting around pounding on dozens of word processors, making dozens of mistakes in the process. Many of the documents are built from databases using "macros" or "executable code" simply because that's the only cost-efficient way of doing so (and accuracy is paramount). Moreover, many documents require change tracking as they're passed back and forth between parties, and must be in a specified format (usually some version of Word or WordPerfect). These activities require scripting that have access to resources (i.e. databases) outside of the the document's sandbox. While I'm not defending executable code in documents as always appropriate, I do see it as a viable solution to many business situations, particularly those that are tightly regulated. I daresay if we were required to fill out two or three dozen electronic forms for each website we build we'd be looking for ways to automate it. :-) Microsoft has always been about giving power to the user...power to accomplish work, yes, but also power to wreck things if misused. Users need to be aware of that power and use it intelligently (uh, training?). [story from my own experience] Nobody blasts motorcycle companies for building and selling crotch rockets, yet every day stupid kids die on them doing stupid stuff. I ride an older motorcycle, carefully, well within the limits of the law, and yet last November still ended up with a broken wrist due to someone else's negligence. Power = responsibility. You don't always need that much power...that's where the market makes room for other solutions, like OpenOffice. Or vi. :-) Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP 316.291.9712 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: [not OT] Serious advice!!!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 06 April 2004 18:01, rudy wrote: > > I'm afraid I fail to see the point of having access to the web > > and email if you aren't going to receive - either via > > download or from clients etc - documents as attachments. > > you've swallowed the microsoft philosophy hook, line, and sinker > > web = html, email = text > > anything else is evil > > who says a "document" has to be in a format that might contain some worm > or virus? > > who says? anybody already assimilated by the microsoft borg Amen rudy! I just dump M$ Office completely and use OpenOffice, it'll still open/save M$ Office files, but without the absolutely cretinous idea of allowing executable code within a document. Why, oh why, oh why does a document need executable code (macros) in it? The only exception would be spreadsheets - in which case, the macro code should be able to change things relating to that document ONLY (to perform calculations etc) and NOTHING else. I use KMail as my email client, without HTML-mode enabled. I also use SpamAssassin and ClamAV to ensure my mail is clean. However, the viruses don't matter to me anyway - I only have ClamAV on my server to save me from downloading big virus attachments then deleting them. Cheers Dave P - -- David Precious [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.preshweb.co.uk Common sense is what tells you the world is flat All emails PGP signed - PGP key at: http://www.preshweb.co.uk/aboutme/keys.php -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAcv9Kn5YXkShpEpcRAgY3AKDF58IAjacOosToSvG0H0ZIsv7wFQCggiHz CCG/u1GaW9aaX6/i53e6DFg= =7c/Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: [not OT] Serious advice!!!
- Original Message - From: "rudy" > and why would you need to virus scan reputable software? Because there have been occasions when very reputable software has been released on official CD and found to have been sent out with a virus infection. Ok, I don't recall this having happened very recently, but that just means it's overdue to happen again! Here are some Googled examples from a few years back: "A Japanese-language version of a Sega Dreamcast role-playing game has become infected with a computer virus. The game, Atelier Marie, includes a screensaver which is infected with the highly damaging Kriz virus. Although the Dreamcast itself is left unscathed by this, anyone loading the screensaver onto their PC from the game's CD-ROM will be in for an unpleasant surprise, when the virus activates on Christmas Day." (The Reguster, 2001) "A red-faced Corel has confirmed that a number of its recently released CorelDRAW 8.0 for Macintosh CD-ROMs also contained a virus." (1998) "We have received notice from the UK publication "Virus Bulletin" and a number of independent reports that the UK publication "PC Gamer" included a cover CD with files infected by the Win95/Marburg virusThe "smackplw.exe" infected file will get executed if you watch any of the movies on the CD " (1998) "The free Vellum 3D version 3.0 CD-ROM contains the Macintosh MBDF virus. ...Anyone running the Macintosh demo program who does not have a resident antivirus scanner will be infected with the virus." (CIAC, 1997) "We have come across another Microsoft CD ROM containing Concept, a MSWord macro virus. The CD ROM is called "The Microsoft Office 95 and Windows 95 Business Guide". (S&S, 1995) "In 1995, the first Word macro virus -- now called Concept -- was massively distributed by Microsoft on a CD-ROM called Microsoft Windows 95 Software Compatibility Test. The shipment went to hundreds of companies in August 1995. [1] Microsoft helpfully refused to acknowledge the severity of the problem for a few weeks. When it finally did, it named the virus "Prank" as spin control. Partly as a consequence of this release and another around the same time in which 5,500 more infected CD-ROMs were distributed by a different company generating support software for Microsoft Windows NT, the Concept virus is now very common "in the wild." Much more recently, Microsoft has distributed a word macro virus known as "Wazzu" multiple times. In September of last year, an edition of Microsoft's The Microsoft SPCD [Solution Provider CD] was distributed containing a Wazzu virus infected document. The CD was distributed to all Microsoft Solution Providers...One month later, Microsoft distributed Wazzu again, this time in Switzerland at ORBIT, an information technology exhibition. This sample of Wazzu was carried on a CD-ROM called "Letz Fetz on the Netz" and was in a document containing hot-line phone numbers for Microsoft Germany. Although Microsoft officials were informed of the contamination, the CD was distributed anyway. The Wazzu infected document was also downloadable from Microsoft's Swiss Website for a period of five days." (1997) The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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> [snip some fairy tale] > ... > are you *sure* you never execute anyone else's code? ;o) if it is emailed to me, no, never if i choose to download it from a reputable site, then of course e.g. http://www.kaylon.com/power.html but that's not what we were talking about we were talking about virus scanning and why would you need to virus scan reputable software? rudy The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: [not OT] Serious advice!!!
- Original Message - From: "rudy" > > Sooner or later, you have to run somebody else's executable code. > > no, i do not Apologies, Rudy, I was thinking of us ordinary people, who don't even have the talent, let alone the time, to write their own operating system and macro assembler in hex code and burn them onto an eprom, entering each byte of code through a hex keypad, then use the assembler to code their own browser, email client, text editor, graphics package, all hardware device drivers, etc. from scratch... on the other hand, are you *sure* you never execute anyone else's code? ;o) The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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by the way, microsoft also has viewers for its other PROPRIETARY formats -- http://www.microsoft.com/office/000/viewers.asp rudy • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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> Microsoft Word Viewer? yep http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9BBB9E60-E4F3-436D-A5A7-DA0E5431E5C1&displaylang=EN rudy • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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oh, and before you say "you're nuts" let me tell you right away that yes, i do get people sending me Word docs too i just don't open them in Word, i open them in a Word viewer, where they remain harmless rudy - Microsoft Word Viewer? Word Viewer ? Linux? drew The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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> I'm afraid I fail to see the point of having access to the web > and email if you aren't going to receive - either via > download or from clients etc - documents as attachments. you've swallowed the microsoft philosophy hook, line, and sinker web = html, email = text anything else is evil who says a "document" has to be in a format that might contain some worm or virus? who says? anybody already assimilated by the microsoft borg include me out oh, and before you say "you're nuts" let me tell you right away that yes, i do get people sending me Word docs too i just don't open them in Word, i open them in a Word viewer, where they remain harmless rudy The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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I agree BJ. As a consultant I have clients that want me to review contracts, specifications and all sorts of other documents - including items they want me to put on their websites for them! If I wasn't opening attachments I'd starve to death very quickly. I'm afraid I fail to see the point of having access to the web and email if you aren't going to receive - either via download or from clients etc - documents as attachments. I certainly don't open any for strangers and like you I update NAV regularly. I also run Zone Alarm plus check with Uncle Bill about every ten days (when I get a quiet moment!) for any updates. New clients have to advise me first by phone of their email address and are told to which of mine they should send stuff until I am happy with them. I also tell them I want to know which version of their AV they are using (I then check the supplier site to see if it is current) and when they last updated Windows. Usually produces some long silences followed by a question such as "How do you mean?" or words to that effect! Peter MacGregor At 17:28 06/04/2004, you wrote: - Original Message - From: "rudy" > i don't allow activex to run in IE > > i don't allow OE to show html mail (goodbye web bugs -- yay!!!) > > i don't open attachments Sooner or later, you have to run somebody else's executable code. A new browser, a word processor, an ftp program, a file compression utility, .NET Framework... and even people as careful and security-conscious as Microsoft (what's that smiley for 'tongue-in-cheek'?) have been known to send out official software releases on CD that are virus infected. So you are still not quite safe without on-access file scanning. I guess I am nearly as careful as you... AND I run Norton Anti-Virus with daily updates. Just in case I ever do slip up. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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> Sooner or later, you have to run somebody else's executable code. no, i do not rudy The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: [not OT] Serious advice!!!
- Original Message - From: "rudy" > i don't allow activex to run in IE > > i don't allow OE to show html mail (goodbye web bugs -- yay!!!) > > i don't open attachments Sooner or later, you have to run somebody else's executable code. A new browser, a word processor, an ftp program, a file compression utility, .NET Framework... and even people as careful and security-conscious as Microsoft (what's that smiley for 'tongue-in-cheek'?) have been known to send out official software releases on CD that are virus infected. So you are still not quite safe without on-access file scanning. I guess I am nearly as careful as you... AND I run Norton Anti-Virus with daily updates. Just in case I ever do slip up. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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> do you guys and gals run a full system check while > working, or do you leave the machine dedicated to the job? i got some kind of symantec software when i first purchased this computer, but did not renew after the first year, so i haven't run a virus scan in approx two years rather than open all the doors wide and have virus scanning software try to stop stuff from coming through (or, as you guys seem to do, run a scan once in a while to see if anything did get through), i simply don't allow bad sh1t to get through thusly: i don't allow activex to run in IE (goodbye flash -- too bad, that's life) i don't allow OE to show html mail (goodbye web bugs -- yay!!!) i don't open attachments from anybody ever helps? rudy The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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I've been pout all day so before I went I closed down my broadband, closed all programs and set off a full system scan. The report when I came back was that it was clean - so it seems that David's suggestion is probably right. I thought it was odd as I sue Eudora and not OE for all emails and that doesn't usually get infected. (Sure, there's always going to be a first time!) Just one point on this - do you guys and gals run a full system check while working, or do you leave the machine dedicated to the job? A full scan for me takes about five hours so having to shut down when I am here is a real PITA. I always have some non-computer work I can do, but that length of time takes some filling! Peter MacGregor At 10:21 06/04/2004, you wrote: It was remiss of me to resend the email with the text version of the URL, one of the reasons why code words are used,lol, however neither Joseph's email nor my response contain anything other than plain text, which if over zealous Norton had been a little more discriminating, it would have recognised Something I discovered way back when the I L U virus was current, when I had a text version to study, and it wiped it unasked www.WellingtonLive.co.nz - Original Message - From: "David Precious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:17 PM Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: [not OT] Serious advice!!! : : > your reply is infected. : > Norton Antivirus quarantined it but I couldn't even click on the : > message header to delete it. : > Please everyone. scan and clean as needed. : > : : I don't believe it is infected - I think it's NAV getting scared because : the posts from Joseph + Michael contained the URL which is normally : contained within the email to do its dirty tricks, however the emails : themselves aren't actually infected with anything. : : Of course exploits like this are what happens when you use crappy email : clients with massive security holes. : : Cheers : : Dave P : : : : -- : David Precious : http://www.preshweb.co.uk/ : : : . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . : To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. : To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: : http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub : : http://www.wdvl.com ___ : : You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% : : To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: : Jupitermedia Corp. : Attn: Discussion List Management : 475 Park Avenue South : New York, NY 10016 : : Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. : : --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.651 / Virus Database: 417 - Release Date: 5/04/04 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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It was remiss of me to resend the email with the text version of the URL, one of the reasons why code words are used,lol, however neither Joseph's email nor my response contain anything other than plain text, which if over zealous Norton had been a little more discriminating, it would have recognised Something I discovered way back when the I L U virus was current, when I had a text version to study, and it wiped it unasked www.WellingtonLive.co.nz - Original Message - From: "David Precious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:17 PM Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: [not OT] Serious advice!!! : : > your reply is infected. : > Norton Antivirus quarantined it but I couldn't even click on the : > message header to delete it. : > Please everyone. scan and clean as needed. : > : : I don't believe it is infected - I think it's NAV getting scared because : the posts from Joseph + Michael contained the URL which is normally : contained within the email to do its dirty tricks, however the emails : themselves aren't actually infected with anything. : : Of course exploits like this are what happens when you use crappy email : clients with massive security holes. : : Cheers : : Dave P : : : : -- : David Precious : http://www.preshweb.co.uk/ : : : . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . : To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. : To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: : http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub : : http://www.wdvl.com ___ : : You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% : : To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: : Jupitermedia Corp. : Attn: Discussion List Management : 475 Park Avenue South : New York, NY 10016 : : Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. : : --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.651 / Virus Database: 417 - Release Date: 5/04/04 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
[wdvltalk] Re: [not OT] Serious advice!!!
> your reply is infected. > Norton Antivirus quarantined it but I couldn't even click on the > message header to delete it. > Please everyone. scan and clean as needed. > I don't believe it is infected - I think it's NAV getting scared because the posts from Joseph + Michael contained the URL which is normally contained within the email to do its dirty tricks, however the emails themselves aren't actually infected with anything. Of course exploits like this are what happens when you use crappy email clients with massive security holes. Cheers Dave P -- David Precious http://www.preshweb.co.uk/ The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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your reply is infected. Norton Antivirus quarantined it but I couldn't even click on the message header to delete it. Please everyone. scan and clean as needed. AuntySpam, SLP Coordinator, pspug.org http://www.pspug.org/edu/edu.shtml http://www.pspug.org/edu/slp/assign.shtml http://www.pspug.org/edu/slp/slpparticipants.htm - Original Message - From: "Smile-Poet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:41 PM Subject: [wdvltalk] [not OT] Serious advice!!! I have just received a mail with From: 243306 @ msn... Subject: Receipt of Payment it is 2Kb. I went to delete it but is wouldn't move from the inbox and then appeared to bring OE to a halt. I had to restart to stop whatever it was up to.The message window was blank. It does not have an attachment. I have just updated and am going to set AVG to check everything, but this seems a nasty little thing.Take care. Joseph . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To set a personal password send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words: "set WDVLTALK pw=yourpassword" in the body of the email. To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
