Re: [web2py] Re: How active and 'professional' is web2py?

2016-07-22 Thread Ron Chatterjee 
youtube uses python. I believe the framework they used is Pyramid but I 
could be wrong. 

On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 2:42:57 PM UTC-4, joeg816 wrote:
>
> I agree 100%.  The "powered by" part of the site has a bunch of sites of 
> questionable quality and many of them are dead.   If this was better 
> maintained and showcased some of the best examples, it would go a long way 
> in giving people like me more confidence in using it for larger projects. 
>  You can show web2py as an enterprise solution.  It needs a marquee name or 
> two to take it to the next level.  Marketing. :)  
>
> As far as Google and Youtube, I think Google DOES use Python for their 
> sites but which web framework is used?  
>
>
> On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 7:10:56 AM UTC-4, Alex wrote:
>>
>>
>> @devs: It would help if you could rework the "powered by" section at 
>> http://www.web2py.com/poweredby
>> First I couldn't enter my site, so it doesn't seem to work. Second it 
>> would be much better to structure this page, this list of randomly shuffled 
>> websites doesn't give much confidence. The websites are of mixed quality, 
>> some of them are not available anymore and you don't know if they are toy 
>> projects or really serious.
>>
>> I'd recommend a section of maybe 5 really good websites you want to 
>> showcase (and keep this section up-to-date), with a little description of 
>> what the page does and maybe how it uses web2py.
>> Below you could list all other pages (e.g. in alphabetical order) just to 
>> show that there are many applications build with web2py.
>>
>> Alex
>>>
>>>


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Re: [web2py] Re: How active and 'professional' is web2py?

2016-07-22 Thread joeg816 
I agree 100%.  The "powered by" part of the site has a bunch of sites of 
questionable quality and many of them are dead.   If this was better 
maintained and showcased some of the best examples, it would go a long way 
in giving people like me more confidence in using it for larger projects. 
 You can show web2py as an enterprise solution.  It needs a marquee name or 
two to take it to the next level.  Marketing. :)  

As far as Google and Youtube, I think Google DOES use Python for their 
sites but which web framework is used?  


On Friday, July 22, 2016 at 7:10:56 AM UTC-4, Alex wrote:
>
>
> @devs: It would help if you could rework the "powered by" section at 
> http://www.web2py.com/poweredby
> First I couldn't enter my site, so it doesn't seem to work. Second it 
> would be much better to structure this page, this list of randomly shuffled 
> websites doesn't give much confidence. The websites are of mixed quality, 
> some of them are not available anymore and you don't know if they are toy 
> projects or really serious.
>
> I'd recommend a section of maybe 5 really good websites you want to 
> showcase (and keep this section up-to-date), with a little description of 
> what the page does and maybe how it uses web2py.
> Below you could list all other pages (e.g. in alphabetical order) just to 
> show that there are many applications build with web2py.
>
> Alex
>>
>>
>>>

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Re: [web2py] Re: How active and 'professional' is web2py?

2016-07-22 Thread Carlos Correia 
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On 19-07-2016 15:53, joeg816 wrote:
> Are there any marquee sites that are using it?  When Rails was hot, they had a
> few big names.  Same with PHP, etc.
> 
> I like what I have seen of web2py but I am scared off since a lot of the info 
I
> find online is several years old.  I am sure it works fine but to stay employe
d
> in this field, you usually need to use the hot languages and frameworks... 
> 
> On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 2:11:38 AM UTC-4, joeg816 wrote:
> 
> I have been doing some research on Python web frameworks and have tried
> Django and Flask.  They were OK...
> 
> I found a free web2py video on Udemy and really liked the whole package,
> especially with the brilliant Admin.  I want to take a deep dive and reall
y
> learn this stuff.
> 
> What scares me off is that it just doesn't seem to be very popular in
> professional Python circles for some reason.  It won awards in 2012 but th
at
> was 4 years ago.  Is this worth really learning web2py or should I just us
e
> it as a stepping stone to something else?  Are there any major websites th
at
> use this and have stuck with it over the years? 
> 

Hi,

I've been using Web2py for an ERP app for almost five years without any problems
(sorry, can't publish the code, once it would invalid its certification here in
Portugal).

I've also use it in other apps (support system, surveys) without any problems.
These ones I expect to publish as soon as possible (probably, during the holiday
s).

So I would say you should (at least) give it a good try ;-)

Also, the mailing list is very helpful to any question you may have.

Regards,

Carlos Correia
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Re: [web2py] Re: How active and 'professional' is web2py?

2016-07-22 Thread Alex 
Realistically no one of us will ever build a website with as much traffic 
as youtube. If you have that much traffic you wouldn't use an interpreted 
language like Python. But for 99,99% of all website this doesn't matter 
anyways. The bottlenecks are usually I/O and the database.

I have a public website with many requests and it runs fine and very fast 
with web2py. Only thing I'm missing from web2py is Python 3 support, but 
this should be coming in the near future (or at least I hope so).

@devs: It would help if you could rework the "powered by" section 
at http://www.web2py.com/poweredby
First I couldn't enter my site, so it doesn't seem to work. Second it would 
be much better to structure this page, this list of randomly shuffled 
websites doesn't give much confidence. The websites are of mixed quality, 
some of them are not available anymore and you don't know if they are toy 
projects or really serious.

I'd recommend a section of maybe 5 really good websites you want to 
showcase (and keep this section up-to-date), with a little description of 
what the page does and maybe how it uses web2py.
Below you could list all other pages (e.g. in alphabetical order) just to 
show that there are many applications build with web2py.

Alex

Am Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2016 04:24:57 UTC+2 schrieb Ron Chatterjee:
>
> Part of the problem may be not any highly popular site ever used the 
> framework. So, its capabilities are somewhat untested. If youtube for 
> example used w2p framework, no one will question its performance. Just some 
> thoughts...
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 11:48:48 AM UTC-4, Richard wrote:
>>
>> web2py is really good framework and you won't find any other with a 
>> learning curve as smooth as that...
>>
>> There is not seems that many major web site build over web2py, though I 
>> know for sure that there is many data centric app lying around in LAN of 
>> multiples business. 
>>
>> Forces of web2py are :
>>
>> It easses of use
>> Being fullstack framework (battery included)
>> Growth with you and your developping skills increase
>> Reactive community
>> Python
>>
>> Cons
>> Disregarded by the purist :D
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Carlos Zenteno  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is not a "professional" product but check Sahara Eden.  It is based 
>>> in web2py, it has a framework S3 built on top of web2py and it is used in 
>>> critical disaster operation when the app is put to the test at its maximum 
>>> performance...
>>>
>>> I wonder if I should use Linux, it is really old and won prices many 
>>> years ago...
>>>
>>> --
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>>> - http://web2py.com
>>> - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation)
>>> - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code)
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Re: [web2py] Re: How active and 'professional' is web2py?

2016-07-20 Thread Ron Chatterjee 
Part of the problem may be not any highly popular site ever used the 
framework. So, its capabilities are somewhat untested. If youtube for 
example used w2p framework, no one will question its performance. Just some 
thoughts...




On Wednesday, July 20, 2016 at 11:48:48 AM UTC-4, Richard wrote:
>
> web2py is really good framework and you won't find any other with a 
> learning curve as smooth as that...
>
> There is not seems that many major web site build over web2py, though I 
> know for sure that there is many data centric app lying around in LAN of 
> multiples business. 
>
> Forces of web2py are :
>
> It easses of use
> Being fullstack framework (battery included)
> Growth with you and your developping skills increase
> Reactive community
> Python
>
> Cons
> Disregarded by the purist :D
>
> Richard
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Carlos Zenteno  > wrote:
>
>> It is not a "professional" product but check Sahara Eden.  It is based in 
>> web2py, it has a framework S3 built on top of web2py and it is used in 
>> critical disaster operation when the app is put to the test at its maximum 
>> performance...
>>
>> I wonder if I should use Linux, it is really old and won prices many 
>> years ago...
>>
>> --
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>> - http://web2py.com
>> - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation)
>> - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code)
>> - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues)
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Re: [web2py] Re: How active and 'professional' is web2py?

2016-07-20 Thread Richard Vézina 
web2py is really good framework and you won't find any other with a
learning curve as smooth as that...

There is not seems that many major web site build over web2py, though I
know for sure that there is many data centric app lying around in LAN of
multiples business.

Forces of web2py are :

It easses of use
Being fullstack framework (battery included)
Growth with you and your developping skills increase
Reactive community
Python

Cons
Disregarded by the purist :D

Richard


On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Carlos Zenteno 
wrote:

> It is not a "professional" product but check Sahara Eden.  It is based in
> web2py, it has a framework S3 built on top of web2py and it is used in
> critical disaster operation when the app is put to the test at its maximum
> performance...
>
> I wonder if I should use Linux, it is really old and won prices many years
> ago...
>
> --
> Resources:
> - http://web2py.com
> - http://web2py.com/book (Documentation)
> - http://github.com/web2py/web2py (Source code)
> - https://code.google.com/p/web2py/issues/list (Report Issues)
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[web2py] Re: How active and 'professional' is web2py?

2016-07-20 Thread Carlos Zenteno 
It is not a "professional" product but check Sahara Eden.  It is based in 
web2py, it has a framework S3 built on top of web2py and it is used in critical 
disaster operation when the app is put to the test at its maximum performance...

I wonder if I should use Linux, it is really old and won prices many years 
ago...

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[web2py] Re: How active and 'professional' is web2py?

2016-07-20 Thread Carlos Zenteno 
It is not a "professional" product but check Sahara Eden.  It is based in 
web2py, it has a framework S3 built on top of web2py and it is used in critical 
disaster operation when the app is put to the test at its maximum performance...

I wonder if I should use Linux, it is really old and won prices many years 
ago...

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[web2py] Re: How active and 'professional' is web2py?

2016-07-19 Thread Massimo Di Pierro 
If popularity is a factor one should use PHP. 

web2py is very actively maintained thanks to Niphlod, Paolo, Anthony, 
Richard, Leonel, Michele, and many others. We have an excellent team.

You will find old articles because web2py exists since 2007 and it is 
always backward compatible so those intro articles are not obsolete.

Massimo

On Tuesday, 19 July 2016 14:30:16 UTC-5, Niphlod wrote:
>
> nope, I don't. 
> except for public contributions you can see on github, I did consult once. 
> Then I just maintain several in-house apps for my current employeer, which 
> is mostly where redis, mssql, AD and scheduler new features have been 
> battle-tested before being released to the public
>
> That being said, at least for public facing and not-so-hardened sites, 
> shodan reveals something about web2py deployments around (at least the free 
> searches available) ... it's by a long shot an estimate on the down side of 
> reality
>
> https://www.shodan.io/search?query=X-Powered-By%3A+web2py
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 8:24:43 PM UTC+2, Dave S wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 7:53:49 AM UTC-7, joeg816 wrote:
>>>
>>> Are there any marquee sites that are using it?  When Rails was hot, they 
>>> had a few big names.  Same with PHP, etc.
>>>
>>
>> I am not sure about "marquee", but Niphlod and Massimo seem to have 
>> several important accounts.
>>
>> A couple months back there was a "proud papa" post about an important 
>> website for use by volunteers helping with an assistance network (Spain or 
>> Portugal, IIRC).
>>  
>>
>>>
>>> I like what I have seen of web2py but I am scared off since a lot of the 
>>> info I find online is several years old.  I am sure it works fine but to 
>>> stay employed in this field, you usually need to use the hot languages and 
>>> frameworks... 
>>>
>>>
>> That can turn into endless tail-chasing, can't it?  By the time you find 
>> out what's hot and then learn the techniques, "they" will have moved on to 
>> something else.
>>
>> /dps
>>
>>  
>>
>>> On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 2:11:38 AM UTC-4, joeg816 wrote:

 I have been doing some research on Python web frameworks and have tried 
 Django and Flask.  They were OK...

 I found a free web2py video on Udemy and really liked the whole 
 package, especially with the brilliant Admin.  I want to take a deep dive 
 and really learn this stuff.

 What scares me off is that it just doesn't seem to be very popular in 
 professional Python circles for some reason.  It won awards in 2012 but 
 that was 4 years ago.  Is this worth really learning web2py or should I 
 just use it as a stepping stone to something else?  Are there any major 
 websites that use this and have stuck with it over the years?  

>>>

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[web2py] Re: How active and 'professional' is web2py?

2016-07-19 Thread Niphlod 
nope, I don't. 
except for public contributions you can see on github, I did consult once. 
Then I just maintain several in-house apps for my current employeer, which 
is mostly where redis, mssql, AD and scheduler new features have been 
battle-tested before being released to the public

That being said, at least for public facing and not-so-hardened sites, 
shodan reveals something about web2py deployments around (at least the free 
searches available) ... it's by a long shot an estimate on the down side of 
reality

https://www.shodan.io/search?query=X-Powered-By%3A+web2py

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 8:24:43 PM UTC+2, Dave S wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 7:53:49 AM UTC-7, joeg816 wrote:
>>
>> Are there any marquee sites that are using it?  When Rails was hot, they 
>> had a few big names.  Same with PHP, etc.
>>
>
> I am not sure about "marquee", but Niphlod and Massimo seem to have 
> several important accounts.
>
> A couple months back there was a "proud papa" post about an important 
> website for use by volunteers helping with an assistance network (Spain or 
> Portugal, IIRC).
>  
>
>>
>> I like what I have seen of web2py but I am scared off since a lot of the 
>> info I find online is several years old.  I am sure it works fine but to 
>> stay employed in this field, you usually need to use the hot languages and 
>> frameworks... 
>>
>>
> That can turn into endless tail-chasing, can't it?  By the time you find 
> out what's hot and then learn the techniques, "they" will have moved on to 
> something else.
>
> /dps
>
>  
>
>> On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 2:11:38 AM UTC-4, joeg816 wrote:
>>>
>>> I have been doing some research on Python web frameworks and have tried 
>>> Django and Flask.  They were OK...
>>>
>>> I found a free web2py video on Udemy and really liked the whole package, 
>>> especially with the brilliant Admin.  I want to take a deep dive and really 
>>> learn this stuff.
>>>
>>> What scares me off is that it just doesn't seem to be very popular in 
>>> professional Python circles for some reason.  It won awards in 2012 but 
>>> that was 4 years ago.  Is this worth really learning web2py or should I 
>>> just use it as a stepping stone to something else?  Are there any major 
>>> websites that use this and have stuck with it over the years?  
>>>
>>

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[web2py] Re: How active and 'professional' is web2py?

2016-07-19 Thread Dave S 


On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 7:53:49 AM UTC-7, joeg816 wrote:
>
> Are there any marquee sites that are using it?  When Rails was hot, they 
> had a few big names.  Same with PHP, etc.
>

I am not sure about "marquee", but Niphlod and Massimo seem to have several 
important accounts.

A couple months back there was a "proud papa" post about an important 
website for use by volunteers helping with an assistance network (Spain or 
Portugal, IIRC).
 

>
> I like what I have seen of web2py but I am scared off since a lot of the 
> info I find online is several years old.  I am sure it works fine but to 
> stay employed in this field, you usually need to use the hot languages and 
> frameworks... 
>
>
That can turn into endless tail-chasing, can't it?  By the time you find 
out what's hot and then learn the techniques, "they" will have moved on to 
something else.

/dps

 

> On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 2:11:38 AM UTC-4, joeg816 wrote:
>>
>> I have been doing some research on Python web frameworks and have tried 
>> Django and Flask.  They were OK...
>>
>> I found a free web2py video on Udemy and really liked the whole package, 
>> especially with the brilliant Admin.  I want to take a deep dive and really 
>> learn this stuff.
>>
>> What scares me off is that it just doesn't seem to be very popular in 
>> professional Python circles for some reason.  It won awards in 2012 but 
>> that was 4 years ago.  Is this worth really learning web2py or should I 
>> just use it as a stepping stone to something else?  Are there any major 
>> websites that use this and have stuck with it over the years?  
>>
>

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[web2py] Re: How active and 'professional' is web2py?

2016-07-19 Thread joeg816 
Are there any marquee sites that are using it?  When Rails was hot, they 
had a few big names.  Same with PHP, etc.

I like what I have seen of web2py but I am scared off since a lot of the 
info I find online is several years old.  I am sure it works fine but to 
stay employed in this field, you usually need to use the hot languages and 
frameworks... 

On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 2:11:38 AM UTC-4, joeg816 wrote:
>
> I have been doing some research on Python web frameworks and have tried 
> Django and Flask.  They were OK...
>
> I found a free web2py video on Udemy and really liked the whole package, 
> especially with the brilliant Admin.  I want to take a deep dive and really 
> learn this stuff.
>
> What scares me off is that it just doesn't seem to be very popular in 
> professional Python circles for some reason.  It won awards in 2012 but 
> that was 4 years ago.  Is this worth really learning web2py or should I 
> just use it as a stepping stone to something else?  Are there any major 
> websites that use this and have stuck with it over the years?  
>

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