Re: [webkit-dev] Double-Resolution (Retina) Images - Re: -webkit-image-set

2012-04-23 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2012/4/24 Tom Penzer tpen...@mailcan.com:
 Hi Everybody!

        As a first-time poster, I am sorry ahead of time for any lapses in
 etiquette. I am seeking feedback for my (hopefully relatively painless in
 practice compared to the alternatives - i.e. -webkit-image-set and html5
 image) proposal to solve the problem of 2x-res (double-resolution) images
 with our current HTML and CSS standards for devices with high-resolution
 displays, such as 3rd Generation iPads and 4th generation iPhones and newer.

This seems like a perfect use-case for the @media rule of CSS, does it not?

It's obviously not up-to-date in its definition (eg. handheld devices
are not typically small screen, limited bandwidth anymore), but on
the other hand it allows undefined types as well so nothing prevents
implementers to extend it beforehand (like is done with most CSS
properties anyway).

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Re: [webkit-dev] Moving to Git?

2012-03-10 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2012/3/11 Maciej Stachowiak m...@apple.com:

 The interaction with the version-control system for each of these steps is an 
 obvious single step with SVN. With git, for at least some of these, you will 
 end up needing multiple non-obvious (to an SVN user anyway) commands.

I understand the context of this argument and it is of course valid
but it gets REALLY boring to hear this every time someone tries to
make a point :)

I've used svn long time ago and git ever since. For me it's no longer
obvious that my local changes are not safe from merging if I do an
update. It is also not obvious that I could not simply commit my patch
(locally) and continue on to the next one when the changes are
touching the same files etc.

The 'obvious' argument should IMO be avoided at all times, because it
inherently carries the notion that the svn way is somehow the de facto
way of doing things in everybody's minds. It is not. It is always
subjective what workflow makes sense.

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Re: [webkit-dev] Moving to Git?

2012-03-09 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2012/3/9 Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org:
 On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Ashod Nakashian ashodnakash...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 I think if we address the main issues raised by the svn users, the current
 consensus (if representative) seems to point towards an overwhelming support
 (and demand?) for git over svn. On that point it's reasonable to say that
 we're heading towards option #1 or #2 of Maciej. As such, I'm humbly
 proposing the following (hopefully without getting ahead of myself):


 Frankly, I don't quite understand the benefit of this transition. Do we
 really need to move to git? If the only problem of keeping svn was about
 svn-apply being broken, I'm more than happy to fix that script.

I think you missed the part where the impact on servers was discussed.
If every time someone does svn log the server needs to not receive
or deal out commits, it will show in response times. I'm sure people
using svn do not check the log often, for obvious reasons, but it is
still a factor to consider.

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Re: [webkit-dev] Moving to Git?

2012-03-09 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2012/3/9 Mark Rowe mr...@apple.com:

 On 2012-03-09, at 09:15, Kalle Vahlman kalle.vahl...@gmail.com wrote:

 2012/3/9 Ryosuke Niwa rn...@webkit.org:
 Frankly, I don't quite understand the benefit of this transition. Do we
 really need to move to git? If the only problem of keeping svn was about
 svn-apply being broken, I'm more than happy to fix that script.

 I think you missed the part where the impact on servers was discussed.
 If every time someone does svn log the server needs to not receive
 or deal out commits, it will show in response times. I'm sure people
 using svn do not check the log often, for obvious reasons, but it is
 still a factor to consider.

 Making operations like 'log' not hit the server would obviously be nice, but 
 the vast majority of the
 load on the Subversion server is from update or checkout operations.  Do you 
 have a pointer to any
 concrete data about the relative load on a server for Git vs Subversion in 
 terms of these operations?

I'm afraid not, just bits and pieces about performance and bandwidth
usage that mostly amount just to a gut feeling.

Googling also turned up zero studies from server POV. As said there is
some evidence that repository size is reduced and that network
bandwidth usage can be better with git, but considering how different
workflows can emerge at least the bandwidth usage can not be mapped
1:1 to actual deployment.

Another consideration here is that git-svn can be rather abusive for
the server if used wrong, so if svn is no longer the central VCS that
use case will also vanish, further changing the usage patterns.

The only way to _truly_ know would be to have graphs from a server
that hosted similar class project using svn then switched to git (or
vice versa!) and even then it would be dependent on the workflows
used...

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Re: [webkit-dev] About the Video conferencing and peer-to-peer communication implementation

2011-11-10 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2011/11/10 Victor LI rtj...@hotmail.com:
 Hi,
 Does the webkit implements the chapter  Video conferencing and peer-to-peer
 communication now?
 if it doesn't , is there any plan to support it?

There are people working on it:

  https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2011-November/018445.html

I suppose bugzilla has bugs for this, although they are not mentioned
in the announcement.

Would probably be a good idea to have a tracking bug for this though?

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Re: [webkit-dev] when is expose_event fired

2010-10-21 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2010/10/22 Aneesh Bhasin contact.ane...@gmail.com:
 However, I wanted to know where and how is the
 webkit_web_view_expose_event function triggered internally - as I
 understand it could either be triggered from the windowing system if
 there is some movement /scrolling dragging of window or internally if
 something has changed and the page needs to be repainted - this second
 invocation path I am unable to find. Could someone point me to the
 right direction here ?

You can invalidate an area of the widget with

  
http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkWidget.html#gtk-widget-queue-draw-area

or invalidate the whole widget with gtk_widget_queue_draw().

This will (eventually, not immediately) result in the widget receiving
an expose event for the invalid area.

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Re: [webkit-dev] webkit-patch and SVN

2010-04-14 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2010/4/15 Dirk Pranke dpra...@chromium.org:
 On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Eric Seidel e...@webkit.org wrote:
 Question: Do SVN users wish to have webkit-patch be
 current-working-directory aware?
 [snip]
 The propose change will make webkit-patch inconsistent between VCS
 tools, but consistent with the users choice of SVN vs. Git.  Is this
 SVN users desired behavior?

 I will surprise myself here and say that webkit-patch should do things
 the SVN way when using SVN and the Git way when using Git.
 Normally I am in favor of having VCS wrappers paper over the
 differences between systems, but from experience I can say that when
 using SVN I often have multiple changes in flight in a single
 checkout, whereas Git makes that very difficult.

How so? You can stage or commit single files or directories, even a
single chunk of the changes within a file if you use the interactive
add. git diff also can show changes in a single file or directory, git
log can show the changelog for single file or directory... All you
need to do is to give the file or directory on the command line,
separated with -- in case there is (possibility of) a  clash with a
symbolic commit name (tag or branch).

 Since this means you
 can't get the SVN way using Git, it would mean that we'd have to use
 the Git way when using SVN, which would remove useful functionality
 and, as Geoffrey Garen point out, make submitting via SVN
 substantially slower to boot.

Given the above, I believe it would be quite possible to make the git
part of the script cwd-aware too.

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Re: [webkit-dev] JSObjectMakeFunction question

2009-06-01 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2009/6/1 Jack Wootton jackwoot...@gmail.com:
 Hi all,

Hi!

 I'm attempting to use the function JSObjectMakeFunction described here:

 http://gemma.apple.com/documentation/Carbon/Reference/WebKit_JavaScriptCore_Ref/JSObjectRef/index.html

 I would like to call a JavaScript function from C.  I assume the
 following is required:

 1. Create a function using JSObjectMakeFunction.
 2. Add it as a property of the Window JSObjectRef.
 3. Call it using JSObjectCallAsFunction.

JSObjectMakeFunction creates a JavaScript function *from* C.

To just call a JS function (not create one), all you need to do is get
the function object (most likely JSObjectGetProperty() on the global
object) and then call it with JSObjectCallAsFunction().

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Re: [webkit-dev] Problems with JavaScript bison parser

2009-02-19 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2009/2/19 Javed Rabbani jrabb...@gmail.com:
 Hello everyone,



 I am working on a WebKit port for some platform and facing an issue with
 working of JavaScript bison parser in Grammar.cpp. If I execute the
 following HTML file, everything is parsed without error:

There's a known bug with ARM and bison earlier than version 2.2:

  https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22456

though that one outright chrashes (and it's CSS parsing that is crashing).

But maybe you should try different bison versions to see if it makes a
difference?

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Re: [webkit-dev] Fail to build WebKit r37132 with GTK on Fedora core 10

2009-01-07 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2009/1/7 ferrety ferrety yferr...@gmail.com:
 Hi List,

 I've tried to build WebKit with GTK on Fedora Core 10, gcc4.3 and
 noticed a strange error about a missing member function called
 update.

 $ ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr/local --enable-video
 $ make
 ...
 WebCore/platform/gtk/ScrollViewGtk.cpp: In member function 'void
 WebCore::ScrollView::ScrollViewPrivate::scrollBackingStore(const
 WebCore::IntSize)':
 WebCore/platform/gtk/ScrollViewGtk.cpp:183: error: 'class
 WebCore::ScrollView' has no member named 'update'
 make[1]: *** [WebCore/platform/gtk/libWebCore_la-ScrollViewGtk.lo] Error 1
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/younes/Desktop/WebKit'
 make: *** [all] Error 2

 After commenting this line 183, everything went fine:
 // view-update();

 Could someone please explain me why this function is missing? Is it 
 deprecated?
 Any fix?

Yeah, it was removed around the time of the revision you used and the
gtk+ build got fixed (multiple times) some time after that:

  
http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/37172/trunk/WebCore/platform/gtk/ScrollViewGtk.cpp

Probably best to upgrade to a newer revision, unless you have specific
reasons to stick with that one...

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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit runtime image compression

2008-12-16 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2008/12/15 Paul Pedriana ppedri...@gmail.com:
 Thanks. I didn't mean to suggest something like this should be part of
 WebKit. I was wondering if anybody had any experience they could share that
 might help me or others come to faster conclusions about the usefulness or
 feasibility of this in custom ports. If I implement the formats below I can
 report back on my results and possibly donate to ports that might be
 interested in this, such as OWB.

Well, for CE device oriented applications the feasibility of the
compression really comes down to the balance between memory
consumption and CPU speed. If you compress, you will (potentially)
spend lots of time decompressing the images but can view bigger pages.
If you don't, it will be faster but limit the amount of in-memory
images.

That said, Federico Mena Quintero did some research about this few years ago:

  http://www.gnome.org/~federico/news-2005-11.html#moz-images

I'm not sure if that idea has realized itself in any project though.
At least lazy decompression of images based on visibility on the
screen sounds like a great idea (eg. when you read only 25% of a very
long page with images, like planets), I wonder if anyone is doing that
already in browser engines?

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Re: [webkit-dev] How to enable Inspector in Webkit/GTK

2008-11-30 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2008/11/30 ying lcs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 3:29 AM, Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 2008/11/29 ying lcs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 From this entry, it said Inspector is ported to  Webkit/GTK
 http://blog.kov.eti.br/?p=25

 Can you please tell me how can I enable it?

 There's a patch attached to the original bug that enables the
 inspector for the GtkLauncher test program:

  https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19392

 That should give an idea what needs to be done in a client application
 to enable the inspector.

 On a related note, I just submitted a patch for an API to enable
 client applications to start the inspector (eg. from a keyboard
 shortcut):

  https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22551

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 Thank you , Kalle,

 So should I apply this patch :
 https://bugs.webkit.org/attachment.cgi?id=24756 from the 1st bug that
 you mentioned?

No, that's already included in the WebKit code, the one I meant is

  https://bugs.webkit.org/attachment.cgi?id=22365

which only adds the support to GtkLauncher.

 And then https://bugs.webkit.org/attachment.cgi?id=25590 from the 2nd
 bug that you mentioned?

No, you don't need this one. You will get the context menu item with
the patch mentioned above, this one only adds a button to launch the
inspector from the client toolbar (and it depends on the other patch
in that bug).

Sorry for the confusion :)

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Re: [webkit-dev] How to enable Inspector in Webkit/GTK

2008-11-30 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2008/12/1 ying lcs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Thank to both of you.

 I apply the patch. And now I see 'Inspect element' in the context
 element. But when I load www.google.com, the inspect window is just
 blank.

 Can you please tell me what am I missing?

I think the GTK+ port tries to find the inspector files only from the
install location currently, so if you didn't run 'make install', that
would explain why it doesn't find them.

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Re: [webkit-dev] How to enable Inspector in Webkit/GTK

2008-11-29 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2008/11/29 ying lcs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 From this entry, it said Inspector is ported to  Webkit/GTK
 http://blog.kov.eti.br/?p=25

 Can you please tell me how can I enable it?

There's a patch attached to the original bug that enables the
inspector for the GtkLauncher test program:

  https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19392

That should give an idea what needs to be done in a client application
to enable the inspector.

On a related note, I just submitted a patch for an API to enable
client applications to start the inspector (eg. from a keyboard
shortcut):

  https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22551

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Re: [webkit-dev] SquirrelFish in WebKitGtk

2008-11-28 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2008/11/28 ying lcs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 If I get the source for WebKitGtk, using the documentation described here:

 http://live.gnome.org/WebKitGtk

 Does it have SquirrelFish?

Yes, it will. All ports share the same JavaScript engine code.

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Re: [webkit-dev] Extending WebKit JavaScript support

2008-11-13 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2008/11/13 Christian Dywan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Am Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:34:17 -0800 (PST)
 schrieb Iulian [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I would like to extend JavaScript support with new objects (similar
 to Math, RegEx, String). Because these objects needs to interact with
 the OS (Linux) i cannot use JavaScript Object support to create these
 objects from JavaScript.
 I studied WebKit documentation but i don't know what should i do to
 add such an object.

 Heya,

 if Linux means Gtk, something like the following will do:

JSClassDefinition js_class_def = kJSClassDefinitionEmpty;
js_class_def.className = g_strdup (name);
js_class_def.getPropertyNames = _js_class_get_property_names_cb;
js_class_def.hasProperty = _js_class_has_property_cb;
js_class_def.getProperty = _js_class_get_property_cb;
js_class_def.setProperty = _js_class_set_property_cb;
JSClassRef js_class = JSClassCreate (js_class_def);
JSObjectRef js_object = JSObjectMake (js_context, js_class,
instance);

 Where you need to implement the underscore prefixed functions yourself.

 For more pointers I suggest the public headers of JavaScriptCore, the
 two test programmes, and the file gjs.c in the Midori source tree. The
 API of javascript is pretty intuitive once you got the hang of it.

This might be of interest too as an example, it creates a DBus JS
object with two methods (which are implemented in C) and few (static)
properties for JS application usage:

http://sandbox.movial.com/gitweb?p=browser-dbus-bridge.git;a=blob;f=jscorebus/jscorebus.c#l392

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Re: [webkit-dev] Request for comments

2008-08-14 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2008/8/14 Jack Wootton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I think perhaps this depends on how you choose to categorise what has
 (not) happened to the s60 webkit port.  I choose to view it at a
 company granularity, here's why: It is the same company, the same
 legal entity, the same policies, same guidelines, same work ethics
 etc.

If you actually believe that, you probably don't know the big
corporate world too well.

  While you no doubt feel it counter productive to tackle the s60
 webkit issues now, and it may be so in the short time, I have little
 doubt that it will be just as counter productive long term, if they
 are ignored.

 For a quick gain from Nokia, you are advocating Nokia's behaviour
 toward the open source community who wish to use s60 webkit.  You are
 communicating that it is OK for Nokia to leave a mainline broken for a
 year, to provide little documentation, almost zero community support
 and absolutely no communication regarding future development.

It's not really uncommon that the original author of an open source
project leaves it. I know I've done it. Nobody has approached me by
claimimg that I was somehow obligated to continue maintenance, let
alone prohibiting me from contributing to another project because of
it!

I'm not saying Nokia has handled the S60 port well (I've heard
otherwise), but certainly they are within their rights in not
maintaing open sourced code[1]. Blackmailing them with empty threats
about unrelated contributions is hardly going to buy you better
support in any case...

[1] That's why the license says: 'THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED [...]  AS
IS AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES [...]'

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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit/GTK+ and N810

2008-08-01 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2008/7/23 Afonso Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi Kalle,

 I upgraded flex in my scratchbox environment and now GtkLauncher is able to
 open www.gtk.org in right way. I compiled flex version 2.3.35 and I replaced
 the old version (/scratchbox/tools/bin/flex) by this one.

 Maybe put this information on http://maemo.webkit.org/ would be very helpful
 for other people, wouldn't be?

Well, flex .33 *is* in the dependency lists... ;)

Rather than repeating that, I'd rather see configure.ac checking for
the flex version.
I'm not sure how portable the configure script is supposed to be, but
for example
here is an example of how to check the version when common unix tools (sed, awk)
are available:

  https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/quetzalcoatl/mod_python/trunk/configure.in

Any comments from Alp regarding this? I can cook up a patch if using sed  awk
(or just sed) is ok...

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Re: [webkit-dev] WebKit/GTK+ and N810

2008-08-01 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2008/8/1 Afonso Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi Kalle,

 On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:47 AM, Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 2008/7/23 Afonso Costa [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hi Kalle,
 
  I upgraded flex in my scratchbox environment and now GtkLauncher is able
  to
  open www.gtk.org in right way. I compiled flex version 2.3.35 and I
  replaced
  the old version (/scratchbox/tools/bin/flex) by this one.
 
  Maybe put this information on http://maemo.webkit.org/ would be very
  helpful
  for other people, wouldn't be?

 Well, flex .33 *is* in the dependency lists... ;)

 Yeah, in my first attempt I installed this version but I didn't know that
 was necessary to replace the scratchbox's flex version or install other
 updated scratchbox version. This information was too helpful for me and I
 think it would be helpful for other people as well.

True.

 Anyway, it is already registered in webkit-devel archives ;)

I created a bug (with a patch) too:

  https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20253

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Re: [webkit-dev] Get SquirrelFish for Webkit in linux

2008-06-08 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2008/6/9 ying lcs [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 no. I am not using a Proxy.  i am able to load mail.google.com using
 Firefox on the same linux environment.

I think you might be experiencing the same as the reporter of this bug:

  https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19146

There is a work-around that you can try out, mentioned in comment 2.

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Re: [webkit-dev] The SquirrelFish Cometh

2008-05-18 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2008/5/18 Maciej Stachowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 So we started SquirrelFish, an incremental rewrite of JavaScriptCore's
 execution logic to convert it into a state-of-the art bytecode VM.
 Most of this work has been done on a branch of the public SVN
 repository, to avoid destabilizing the trunk. We are now very close to
 finishing off the last few blockers. There will be a formal
 announcement to the general public when we are ready, including
 performance data and more details about the internals. But for now I
 wanted to let WebKit insiders know that it is coming.

Nice! Since it's just an engine rewrite, it won't mean any (public)
API changes for JavaScriptCore right?

 We are also at the point where we could use testing help to verify
 that SquirrelFish can handle the real-world web. If anyone would like
 to help test, and is willing to get their hands a bit dirty, check out
 http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/squirrelfish.

Just to make it obvious for anyone trying to check out the branch, the
URL above misses the branches dir. The correct URL is

  http://svn.webkit.org/repository/webkit/branches/squirrelfish/

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