Re: Seaside (was; Finding WO people for startups)
On 27/Sep/2011, at 7:33 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > I'd be interested as well. I have always admired smalltalk as a language. Hrm... SmallTalk is what some parts of ObjC are based on. Takes me back to my early days with EOF & WO. ;-) I'd be interested in the talk as well! Thanks! M. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Seaside (was; Finding WO people for startups)
I'd be interested as well. I have always admired smalltalk as a language. On 2011-09-27, at 4:38 PM, Andrew Lindesay wrote: > Hello Aaron; > > Would you be able to give a brief overview of Smalltalk+Seaside so we can > understand what is WebObjects-esque about it? > > cheers > > On 28/09/11 11:02 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >> Hi Aaron, >> >> On 2011-09-27, at 9:19 AM, arosenzw...@clinworx.com wrote: >> >>> What is cool about Smalltalk / Seaside with respect to WO? >>> >>> 5) Even better than "in-line" binding it has no template file what-so-ever >>> by design. All your HTML output is coded in the programming language. No >>> more unbalanced DIV tags. Everything is refactorable. >> >> Is that better? In my imagination that makes it like PHP. Would that not >> obstruct what little view of page structure that is still there in WO? > > -- > Andrew Lindesay > www.silvereye.co.nz > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net > > This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Seaside (was; Finding WO people for startups)
Hello Aaron; Would you be able to give a brief overview of Smalltalk+Seaside so we can understand what is WebObjects-esque about it? cheers On 28/09/11 11:02 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: Hi Aaron, On 2011-09-27, at 9:19 AM, arosenzw...@clinworx.com wrote: What is cool about Smalltalk / Seaside with respect to WO? 5) Even better than "in-line" binding it has no template file what-so-ever by design. All your HTML output is coded in the programming language. No more unbalanced DIV tags. Everything is refactorable. Is that better? In my imagination that makes it like PHP. Would that not obstruct what little view of page structure that is still there in WO? -- Andrew Lindesay www.silvereye.co.nz ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
On 2011-09-27, at 2:59 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > > On 2011-09-27, at 10:36 AM, Paul Yu wrote: > >> Or even like the Hitler spoofs, where we can put Mike's image up as Darth >> with the breathing ;) or Apple's new spaceship HQ as the death star battle >> station. >> >> Can Pascal as the leader of the rebellion. And some picture of our meetings >> in Montreal set to the Ice planet. >> >> Chuck can be Obi Wan. > > Dang. I always get cast as the old guy. At least he's not dead. Oh, wait. > > > >> We'll need to cast Luke and Leia. Anyone? > > I can't think of anyone better than Joe Little for Luke. > > > >> On Sep 27, 2011, at 1:31 PM, David Holt wrote: >> >>> >>> On 2011-09-27, at 10:28 AM, Paul Yu wrote: >>> Somebody should do this to the Star Wars theme music. >>> >>> Oh yeah, scrolling upwards and disappearing. I love it. >>> >>> d >>> Awesome! Pau On Sep 27, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: > In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO > created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was > so powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some > believe it was code taken from a secret government project, while others > claim the engineer must have been channeling some supernatural force. All > tales end with the source of the source coming back and quietly hoaxing > the engineer's death in an elaborate plot. > > In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the > code like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their > 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from the > web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their 'legacy' > support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the Streisand effect. > Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by Apple, one by one, > and... hired. > > However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient band > of rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have dubbed > themselves the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading the use > of WebObjects and making all their advancements open to everyone in a > project named Wonder. There are rumors that these rebels have been > meeting on the ice planet of Canada. There are even rumors they may be > forming a rebel base there. > > (^_~)d > > Ramsey > > On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: > >> Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written >> URLs? >> >> richard palmer >> >> On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >> >>> Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local >>> database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL >>> alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. >>> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com >> >> This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com > > This email sent to p...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com This email sent to programming...@mac.com >>> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net >> >> This email sent to ch...@global-village.net > > -- > Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development > > Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall > knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. > http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects > > > > > > > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing
Re: Finding WO people for startups (cult of the dead)
Hi Aaron, On 2011-09-27, at 9:19 AM, arosenzw...@clinworx.com wrote: > What is cool about Smalltalk / Seaside with respect to WO? > > 5) Even better than "in-line" binding it has no template file what-so-ever by > design. All your HTML output is coded in the programming language. No more > unbalanced DIV tags. Everything is refactorable. Is that better? In my imagination that makes it like PHP. Would that not obstruct what little view of page structure that is still there in WO? -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
On 2011-09-27, at 10:36 AM, Paul Yu wrote: > Or even like the Hitler spoofs, where we can put Mike's image up as Darth > with the breathing ;) or Apple's new spaceship HQ as the death star battle > station. > > Can Pascal as the leader of the rebellion. And some picture of our meetings > in Montreal set to the Ice planet. > > Chuck can be Obi Wan. Dang. I always get cast as the old guy. > We'll need to cast Luke and Leia. Anyone? I can't think of anyone better than Joe Little for Luke. > On Sep 27, 2011, at 1:31 PM, David Holt wrote: > >> >> On 2011-09-27, at 10:28 AM, Paul Yu wrote: >> >>> Somebody should do this to the Star Wars theme music. >> >> Oh yeah, scrolling upwards and disappearing. I love it. >> >> d >> >>> >>> Awesome! >>> >>> Pau >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: >>> In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was so powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some believe it was code taken from a secret government project, while others claim the engineer must have been channeling some supernatural force. All tales end with the source of the source coming back and quietly hoaxing the engineer's death in an elaborate plot. In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the code like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from the web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their 'legacy' support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the Streisand effect. Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by Apple, one by one, and... hired. However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient band of rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have dubbed themselves the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading the use of WebObjects and making all their advancements open to everyone in a project named Wonder. There are rumors that these rebels have been meeting on the ice planet of Canada. There are even rumors they may be forming a rebel base there. (^_~)d Ramsey On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: > Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written > URLs? > > richard palmer > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local >> database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL >> alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. >> > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com > > This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com This email sent to p...@mac.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com >>> >>> This email sent to programming...@mac.com >> > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net > > This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
On 2011-09-27, at 12:12 PM, Andrew Kinnie wrote: > Well, If we move WOWODC to Winnipeg in January, it would be fairly close to > the Ice Planet. Fixed it for you. Though I will warn you, Winnipeg is colder that Hoth. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
heh. that's f-funny. On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Klaus Berkling wrote: > > On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Paul Yu wrote: > >> Somebody should do this to the Star Wars theme music. > > Ask and you shall receive: > > http://gallery.me.com/kib#100168 > >> >> Awesome! >> >> Pau >> On Sep 27, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: >> >>> In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO >>> created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was so >>> powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some believe >>> it was code taken from a secret government project, while others claim the >>> engineer must have been channeling some supernatural force. All tales end >>> with the source of the source coming back and quietly hoaxing the >>> engineer's death in an elaborate plot. >>> >>> In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the code >>> like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their >>> 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from the >>> web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their 'legacy' >>> support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the Streisand effect. >>> Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by Apple, one by one, >>> and... hired. >>> >>> However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient band of >>> rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have dubbed themselves >>> the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading the use of WebObjects >>> and making all their advancements open to everyone in a project named >>> Wonder. There are rumors that these rebels have been meeting on the ice >>> planet of Canada. There are even rumors they may be forming a rebel base >>> there. >>> >>> (^_~)d >>> >>> Ramsey >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: >>> Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written URLs? richard palmer On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local > database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL > alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com >>> >>> This email sent to p...@mac.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kberkling%40dyned.com >> >> This email sent to kberkl...@dyned.com > > > kib > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue > that counts." > Winston Churchill > > Klaus Berkling > Web Application Dev. & Systems Analyst > DynEd International, Inc. > www.dyned.com | blog > > > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jtayler%40oeinc.com > > This email sent to jtay...@oeinc.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Paul Yu wrote: > Somebody should do this to the Star Wars theme music. Ask and you shall receive: http://gallery.me.com/kib#100168 > > Awesome! > > Pau > On Sep 27, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: > >> In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO >> created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was so >> powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some believe >> it was code taken from a secret government project, while others claim the >> engineer must have been channeling some supernatural force. All tales end >> with the source of the source coming back and quietly hoaxing the engineer's >> death in an elaborate plot. >> >> In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the code >> like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their >> 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from the >> web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their 'legacy' >> support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the Streisand effect. >> Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by Apple, one by one, and... >> hired. >> >> However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient band of >> rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have dubbed themselves >> the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading the use of WebObjects >> and making all their advancements open to everyone in a project named >> Wonder. There are rumors that these rebels have been meeting on the ice >> planet of Canada. There are even rumors they may be forming a rebel base >> there. >> >> (^_~)d >> >> Ramsey >> >> On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: >> >>> Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written URLs? >>> >>> richard palmer >>> >>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>> Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com >>> >>> This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com >> >> This email sent to p...@mac.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kberkling%40dyned.com > > This email sent to kberkl...@dyned.com kib "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." Winston Churchill Klaus Berkling Web Application Dev. & Systems Analyst DynEd International, Inc. www.dyned.com | blog smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
WO 5.1/5.2 pages on the wiki
Since almost nobody use WO 5.1/5.2, and those who still use 5.2 are people deploying and developing on Windows, I'm going to delete all pages related to those versions. If you care about those pages, make a copy before next Monday. Thanks. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
Pfff... You are in Vancouver... Go to Winnipeg in mid-February and you will learn what "cold" really means (disclaimer: I never went to Winnipeg, in fact I never went past Niagara Falls...). > No way they're gonna catch me in Canada by that time of the year! Oh wait... > > On 2011-09-27, at 12:14 PM, prob...@macti.ca wrote: > >> February is a lot worse. >> >> Le 2011-09-27 à 15:13, "Andrew Kinnie" a écrit : >> >>> Well, If we move WOWODC to January, it would be fairly close to the Ice >>> Planet. >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 3:07 PM, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com wrote: >>> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:39:41 -0400 From: Pascal Robert Subject: Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages? To: Paul Yu Cc: WebObjects Mailing List Message-ID: <6e9a79f0-a1b9-4d0d-abbb-7ffd2d01f...@macti.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Le 2011-09-27 à 13:36, Paul Yu a écrit : > Or even like the Hitler spoofs, where we can put Mike's image up as Darth > with the breathing ;) or Apple's new spaceship HQ as the death star > battle station. > > Can Pascal as the leader of the rebellion. And some picture of our > meetings in Montreal set to the Ice planet. I want to be Admiral Akbar! "It's a trap!" > Chuck can be Obi Wan. > > We'll need to cast Luke and Leia. Anyone? > > Paul > On Sep 27, 2011, at 1:31 PM, David Holt wrote: > >> >> On 2011-09-27, at 10:28 AM, Paul Yu wrote: >> >>> Somebody should do this to the Star Wars theme music. >> >> Oh yeah, scrolling upwards and disappearing. I love it. >> >> d >> >>> >>> Awesome! >>> >>> Pau >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: >>> In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was so powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some believe it was code taken from a secret government project, while others claim the engineer must have been channeling some supernatural force. All tales end with the source of the source coming back and quietly hoaxing the engineer's death in an elaborate plot. In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the code like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from the web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their 'legacy' support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the Streisand effect. Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by Apple, one by one, and... hired. However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient band of rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have dubbed themselves the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading the use of WebObjects and making all their advancements open to everyone in a project named Wonder. There are rumors that these rebels have been meeting on the ice planet of Canada. There are even rumors they may be forming a rebel base there. (^_~)d Ramsey On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: > Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with > re-written URLs? > > richard palmer > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe >> local database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based >> on the URL alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. >> > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com > > This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com This email sent to p...@mac.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
No way they're gonna catch me in Canada by that time of the year! Oh wait... On 2011-09-27, at 12:14 PM, prob...@macti.ca wrote: > February is a lot worse. > > Le 2011-09-27 à 15:13, "Andrew Kinnie" a écrit : > >> Well, If we move WOWODC to January, it would be fairly close to the Ice >> Planet. >> >> On Sep 27, 2011, at 3:07 PM, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com wrote: >> >>> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:39:41 -0400 >>> From: Pascal Robert >>> Subject: Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages? >>> To: Paul Yu >>> Cc: WebObjects Mailing List >>> Message-ID: <6e9a79f0-a1b9-4d0d-abbb-7ffd2d01f...@macti.ca> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >>> >>> >>> Le 2011-09-27 à 13:36, Paul Yu a écrit : >>> Or even like the Hitler spoofs, where we can put Mike's image up as Darth with the breathing ;) or Apple's new spaceship HQ as the death star battle station. Can Pascal as the leader of the rebellion. And some picture of our meetings in Montreal set to the Ice planet. >>> >>> I want to be Admiral Akbar! "It's a trap!" >>> Chuck can be Obi Wan. We'll need to cast Luke and Leia. Anyone? Paul On Sep 27, 2011, at 1:31 PM, David Holt wrote: > > On 2011-09-27, at 10:28 AM, Paul Yu wrote: > >> Somebody should do this to the Star Wars theme music. > > Oh yeah, scrolling upwards and disappearing. I love it. > > d > >> >> Awesome! >> >> Pau >> On Sep 27, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: >> >>> In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO >>> created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was >>> so powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some >>> believe it was code taken from a secret government project, while >>> others claim the engineer must have been channeling some supernatural >>> force. All tales end with the source of the source coming back and >>> quietly hoaxing the engineer's death in an elaborate plot. >>> >>> In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the >>> code like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their >>> 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from >>> the web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their >>> 'legacy' support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the >>> Streisand effect. Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by >>> Apple, one by one, and... hired. >>> >>> However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient >>> band of rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have >>> dubbed themselves the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading >>> the use of WebObjects and making all their advancements open to >>> everyone in a project named Wonder. There are rumors that these rebels >>> have been meeting on the ice planet of Canada. There are even rumors >>> they may be forming a rebel base there. >>> >>> (^_~)d >>> >>> Ramsey >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: >>> Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written URLs? richard palmer On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe > local database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on > the URL alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com >>> >>> This email sent to p...@mac.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com >> >> This email sent to programming...@mac.com > >>> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
February is a lot worse. Le 2011-09-27 à 15:13, "Andrew Kinnie" a écrit : > Well, If we move WOWODC to January, it would be fairly close to the Ice > Planet. > > On Sep 27, 2011, at 3:07 PM, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com wrote: > >> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:39:41 -0400 >> From: Pascal Robert >> Subject: Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages? >> To: Paul Yu >> Cc: WebObjects Mailing List >> Message-ID: <6e9a79f0-a1b9-4d0d-abbb-7ffd2d01f...@macti.ca> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> >> Le 2011-09-27 à 13:36, Paul Yu a écrit : >> >>> Or even like the Hitler spoofs, where we can put Mike's image up as Darth >>> with the breathing ;) or Apple's new spaceship HQ as the death star battle >>> station. >>> >>> Can Pascal as the leader of the rebellion. And some picture of our >>> meetings in Montreal set to the Ice planet. >> >> I want to be Admiral Akbar! "It's a trap!" >> >>> Chuck can be Obi Wan. >>> >>> We'll need to cast Luke and Leia. Anyone? >>> >>> Paul >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 1:31 PM, David Holt wrote: >>> On 2011-09-27, at 10:28 AM, Paul Yu wrote: > Somebody should do this to the Star Wars theme music. Oh yeah, scrolling upwards and disappearing. I love it. d > > Awesome! > > Pau > On Sep 27, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: > >> In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO >> created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was >> so powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some >> believe it was code taken from a secret government project, while others >> claim the engineer must have been channeling some supernatural force. >> All tales end with the source of the source coming back and quietly >> hoaxing the engineer's death in an elaborate plot. >> >> In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the >> code like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their >> 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from >> the web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their >> 'legacy' support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the >> Streisand effect. Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by >> Apple, one by one, and... hired. >> >> However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient band >> of rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have dubbed >> themselves the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading the use >> of WebObjects and making all their advancements open to everyone in a >> project named Wonder. There are rumors that these rebels have been >> meeting on the ice planet of Canada. There are even rumors they may be >> forming a rebel base there. >> >> (^_~)d >> >> Ramsey >> >> On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: >> >>> Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written >>> URLs? >>> >>> richard palmer >>> >>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>> Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com >>> >>> This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com >> >> This email sent to p...@mac.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com > > This email sent to programming...@mac.com >> > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca > > This email sent to prob...@mac
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
Well, If we move WOWODC to January, it would be fairly close to the Ice Planet. On Sep 27, 2011, at 3:07 PM, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 13:39:41 -0400 > From: Pascal Robert > Subject: Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages? > To: Paul Yu > Cc: WebObjects Mailing List > Message-ID: <6e9a79f0-a1b9-4d0d-abbb-7ffd2d01f...@macti.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > Le 2011-09-27 à 13:36, Paul Yu a écrit : > >> Or even like the Hitler spoofs, where we can put Mike's image up as Darth >> with the breathing ;) or Apple's new spaceship HQ as the death star battle >> station. >> >> Can Pascal as the leader of the rebellion. And some picture of our meetings >> in Montreal set to the Ice planet. > > I want to be Admiral Akbar! "It's a trap!" > >> Chuck can be Obi Wan. >> >> We'll need to cast Luke and Leia. Anyone? >> >> Paul >> On Sep 27, 2011, at 1:31 PM, David Holt wrote: >> >>> >>> On 2011-09-27, at 10:28 AM, Paul Yu wrote: >>> Somebody should do this to the Star Wars theme music. >>> >>> Oh yeah, scrolling upwards and disappearing. I love it. >>> >>> d >>> Awesome! Pau On Sep 27, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: > In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO > created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was > so powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some > believe it was code taken from a secret government project, while others > claim the engineer must have been channeling some supernatural force. All > tales end with the source of the source coming back and quietly hoaxing > the engineer's death in an elaborate plot. > > In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the > code like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their > 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from the > web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their 'legacy' > support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the Streisand effect. > Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by Apple, one by one, > and... hired. > > However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient band > of rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have dubbed > themselves the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading the use > of WebObjects and making all their advancements open to everyone in a > project named Wonder. There are rumors that these rebels have been > meeting on the ice planet of Canada. There are even rumors they may be > forming a rebel base there. > > (^_~)d > > Ramsey > > On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: > >> Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written >> URLs? >> >> richard palmer >> >> On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >> >>> Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local >>> database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL >>> alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. >>> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com >> >> This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com > > This email sent to p...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com This email sent to programming...@mac.com >>> > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
Le 2011-09-27 à 13:36, Paul Yu a écrit : > Or even like the Hitler spoofs, where we can put Mike's image up as Darth > with the breathing ;) or Apple's new spaceship HQ as the death star battle > station. > > Can Pascal as the leader of the rebellion. And some picture of our meetings > in Montreal set to the Ice planet. I want to be Admiral Akbar! "It's a trap!" > Chuck can be Obi Wan. > > We'll need to cast Luke and Leia. Anyone? > > Paul > On Sep 27, 2011, at 1:31 PM, David Holt wrote: > >> >> On 2011-09-27, at 10:28 AM, Paul Yu wrote: >> >>> Somebody should do this to the Star Wars theme music. >> >> Oh yeah, scrolling upwards and disappearing. I love it. >> >> d >> >>> >>> Awesome! >>> >>> Pau >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: >>> In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was so powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some believe it was code taken from a secret government project, while others claim the engineer must have been channeling some supernatural force. All tales end with the source of the source coming back and quietly hoaxing the engineer's death in an elaborate plot. In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the code like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from the web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their 'legacy' support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the Streisand effect. Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by Apple, one by one, and... hired. However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient band of rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have dubbed themselves the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading the use of WebObjects and making all their advancements open to everyone in a project named Wonder. There are rumors that these rebels have been meeting on the ice planet of Canada. There are even rumors they may be forming a rebel base there. (^_~)d Ramsey On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: > Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written > URLs? > > richard palmer > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local >> database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL >> alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. >> > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com > > This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com This email sent to p...@mac.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com >>> >>> This email sent to programming...@mac.com >> > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca > > This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
"These aren't the beers you're looking for." Tim Worman UCLA GSE&IS On Sep 27, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: > So he will be flying in on a star destroyer for the next WOWODC? (^^) > > Ramsey > > On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> I think this makes Mike Darth Vader... >> >> On 2011-09-27, at 9:37 AM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: >> >>> In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO >>> created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was so >>> powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some believe >>> it was code taken from a secret government project, while others claim the >>> engineer must have been channeling some supernatural force. All tales end >>> with the source of the source coming back and quietly hoaxing the >>> engineer's death in an elaborate plot. >>> >>> In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the code >>> like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their >>> 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from the >>> web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their 'legacy' >>> support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the Streisand effect. >>> Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by Apple, one by one, >>> and... hired. >>> >>> However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient band of >>> rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have dubbed themselves >>> the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading the use of WebObjects >>> and making all their advancements open to everyone in a project named >>> Wonder. There are rumors that these rebels have been meeting on the ice >>> planet of Canada. There are even rumors they may be forming a rebel base >>> there. >>> >>> (^_~)d >>> >>> Ramsey >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: >>> Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written URLs? richard palmer On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local > database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL > alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net >>> >>> This email sent to ch...@global-village.net >> >> -- >> Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development >> >> Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall >> knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. >> http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/lists%40thetimmy.com > > This email sent to li...@thetimmy.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
Or even like the Hitler spoofs, where we can put Mike's image up as Darth with the breathing ;) or Apple's new spaceship HQ as the death star battle station. Can Pascal as the leader of the rebellion. And some picture of our meetings in Montreal set to the Ice planet. Chuck can be Obi Wan. We'll need to cast Luke and Leia. Anyone? Paul On Sep 27, 2011, at 1:31 PM, David Holt wrote: > > On 2011-09-27, at 10:28 AM, Paul Yu wrote: > >> Somebody should do this to the Star Wars theme music. > > Oh yeah, scrolling upwards and disappearing. I love it. > > d > >> >> Awesome! >> >> Pau >> On Sep 27, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: >> >>> In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO >>> created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was so >>> powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some believe >>> it was code taken from a secret government project, while others claim the >>> engineer must have been channeling some supernatural force. All tales end >>> with the source of the source coming back and quietly hoaxing the >>> engineer's death in an elaborate plot. >>> >>> In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the code >>> like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their >>> 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from the >>> web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their 'legacy' >>> support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the Streisand effect. >>> Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by Apple, one by one, >>> and... hired. >>> >>> However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient band of >>> rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have dubbed themselves >>> the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading the use of WebObjects >>> and making all their advancements open to everyone in a project named >>> Wonder. There are rumors that these rebels have been meeting on the ice >>> planet of Canada. There are even rumors they may be forming a rebel base >>> there. >>> >>> (^_~)d >>> >>> Ramsey >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: >>> Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written URLs? richard palmer On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local > database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL > alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com >>> >>> This email sent to p...@mac.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com >> >> This email sent to programming...@mac.com > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
So he will be flying in on a star destroyer for the next WOWODC? (^^) Ramsey On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > I think this makes Mike Darth Vader... > > On 2011-09-27, at 9:37 AM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: > >> In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO >> created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was so >> powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some believe >> it was code taken from a secret government project, while others claim the >> engineer must have been channeling some supernatural force. All tales end >> with the source of the source coming back and quietly hoaxing the engineer's >> death in an elaborate plot. >> >> In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the code >> like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their >> 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from the >> web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their 'legacy' >> support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the Streisand effect. >> Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by Apple, one by one, and... >> hired. >> >> However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient band of >> rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have dubbed themselves >> the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading the use of WebObjects >> and making all their advancements open to everyone in a project named >> Wonder. There are rumors that these rebels have been meeting on the ice >> planet of Canada. There are even rumors they may be forming a rebel base >> there. >> >> (^_~)d >> >> Ramsey >> >> On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: >> >>> Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written URLs? >>> >>> richard palmer >>> >>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>> Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com >>> >>> This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net >> >> This email sent to ch...@global-village.net > > -- > Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development > > Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall > knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. > http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects > > > > > > > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
On 2011-09-27, at 10:28 AM, Paul Yu wrote: > Somebody should do this to the Star Wars theme music. Oh yeah, scrolling upwards and disappearing. I love it. d > > Awesome! > > Pau > On Sep 27, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: > >> In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO >> created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was so >> powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some believe >> it was code taken from a secret government project, while others claim the >> engineer must have been channeling some supernatural force. All tales end >> with the source of the source coming back and quietly hoaxing the engineer's >> death in an elaborate plot. >> >> In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the code >> like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their >> 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from the >> web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their 'legacy' >> support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the Streisand effect. >> Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by Apple, one by one, and... >> hired. >> >> However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient band of >> rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have dubbed themselves >> the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading the use of WebObjects >> and making all their advancements open to everyone in a project named >> Wonder. There are rumors that these rebels have been meeting on the ice >> planet of Canada. There are even rumors they may be forming a rebel base >> there. >> >> (^_~)d >> >> Ramsey >> >> On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: >> >>> Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written URLs? >>> >>> richard palmer >>> >>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>> Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com >>> >>> This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com >> >> This email sent to p...@mac.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/programmingosx%40mac.com > > This email sent to programming...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
Somebody should do this to the Star Wars theme music. Awesome! Pau On Sep 27, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: > In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO > created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was so > powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some believe > it was code taken from a secret government project, while others claim the > engineer must have been channeling some supernatural force. All tales end > with the source of the source coming back and quietly hoaxing the engineer's > death in an elaborate plot. > > In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the code > like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their > 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from the > web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their 'legacy' > support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the Streisand effect. > Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by Apple, one by one, and... > hired. > > However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient band of > rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have dubbed themselves > the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading the use of WebObjects > and making all their advancements open to everyone in a project named Wonder. > There are rumors that these rebels have been meeting on the ice planet of > Canada. There are even rumors they may be forming a rebel base there. > > (^_~)d > > Ramsey > > On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: > >> Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written URLs? >> >> richard palmer >> >> On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >> >>> Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local >>> database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL >>> alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. >>> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com >> >> This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com > > This email sent to p...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
I think this makes Mike Darth Vader... On 2011-09-27, at 9:37 AM, Ramsey Gurley wrote: > In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO > created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was so > powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some believe > it was code taken from a secret government project, while others claim the > engineer must have been channeling some supernatural force. All tales end > with the source of the source coming back and quietly hoaxing the engineer's > death in an elaborate plot. > > In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the code > like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their > 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from the > web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their 'legacy' > support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the Streisand effect. > Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by Apple, one by one, and... > hired. > > However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient band of > rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have dubbed themselves > the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading the use of WebObjects > and making all their advancements open to everyone in a project named Wonder. > There are rumors that these rebels have been meeting on the ice planet of > Canada. There are even rumors they may be forming a rebel base there. > > (^_~)d > > Ramsey > > On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: > >> Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written URLs? >> >> richard palmer >> >> On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >> >>> Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local >>> database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL >>> alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. >>> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com >> >> This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net > > This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
In 2008, shortly after releasing WO 5.4.3, Apple discovered code in WO created by one engineer who mysteriously died the previous year. It was so powerful, no one believed one engineer could have produced it. Some believe it was code taken from a secret government project, while others claim the engineer must have been channeling some supernatural force. All tales end with the source of the source coming back and quietly hoaxing the engineer's death in an elaborate plot. In any case, the code itself was so advanced, Apple began coveting the code like the one true ring. They didn't want anyone else to use their 'precious.' So began an effort to wipe all mention of WebObjects from the web. Whatever could not be removed would be moved into their 'legacy' support section to discredit WebObjects and prevent the Streisand effect. Those who used WebObjects have been hunted down by Apple, one by one, and... hired. However, three years on, Apple has discovered a small but efficient band of rebels determined to use this mysterious code. They have dubbed themselves the "WOCommunity". These rebels believe in spreading the use of WebObjects and making all their advancements open to everyone in a project named Wonder. There are rumors that these rebels have been meeting on the ice planet of Canada. There are even rumors they may be forming a rebel base there. (^_~)d Ramsey On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:47 AM, Richard Palmer wrote: > Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written URLs? > > richard palmer > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local >> database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL >> alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. >> > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rgurley%40smarthealth.com > > This email sent to rgur...@smarthealth.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Finding WO people for startups (cult of the dead)
Hi Marius, It's really up to you. It doesn't matter what development tools / frameworks you pick. You can make a good product in JSP... at some point your dedication and attitude determine how far you'll go and the rest doesn't matter. That being said, remember with Ruby on Rails everything is a "Direct Action". If that is ok with you, then that is ok. Personally I like to decide when to use "Component Actions" and when to use "Direct Actions" because there is a purpose for both. Finding good, interesting, talented people is hard. I think it is *easier* to find them when you are working with esoteric tools. If they balk at the idea of WO, then you don't want them anyway - that's a big time saver! You want people who believe in your vision above all else. The tools shouldn't matter to them and if they do, those people are not for you. For me, on a technical level, it's hard to find something better than WO. I do not like the closed nature of it but that is what it is. In your situation you are throwing out all kinds of technologies and thinking in all directions. Maybe take a month to indulge so you may "play" with them all without any other purpose. Do some simple proof of concept projects. Get a lay of the land. Personally I do this every 6 months to a year to satisfy my own intellectual curiosity and see if there is something better than WO. >From a person who has tried a lot of tools there is one that I'm surprised did not make your short list especially given your geographical area and your WO experience. Do consider Smalltalk with "Seaside." It's relatively big in Europe meaning they have the equivalent of WOWODC for Smalltalk called ESUG. What is cool about Smalltalk / Seaside with respect to WO? 1) It has stateful and stateless ability (Both "component actions" and "direct actions") 2) It has D2W (Magritte) 3) It has distributed version control (Monticello) 4) It has a no-nonsense one-click installer 5) Even better than "in-line" binding it has no template file what-so-ever by design. All your HTML output is coded in the programming language. No more unbalanced DIV tags. Everything is refactorable. 6) You can choose ORM or Object Database... We have objects, why do we need to model them down to relational tables? Now the choice is yours. 7) totally open source. Even better, you can see and make changes on the fly. You don't need to tack on a product like Java Rebel, you get this automatically. To sum it up java is a "dead" language. Those who love it blindly are members of the "cult of the dead". With eclipse java is like the "living dead" because you can quickly see who is calling what, refactor, etc. In other words you generally have to compile and then run Java to make it live. Conversely Smalltalk is a "living" language in every sense of the word. Oh, and Pascal, WO never stopped being cool. We are a good confederacy here. We put the cool in WO. It's not what you have, it's how you use it ;-) Best wishes, -- Aaron > Thanks to both of you, Philippe and Pascal, for some challenging insight, got me thinking a lot. > > Yes there's a lot of stuff for Java, that's really great. That's also why I like Scala and Clojure so > much, but the frameworks aren't ready yet. Do you have any >experience with Lift? Or Play? > > One thing I really like about RoR is Ruby, it's so much better than Java. Is Java really a good > language for a startup? I'm not sure. I also stumbled across Sinatra, what a revelation... > I've read your link, Philippe, but there are also some interesting comments... > > Deployment on the other hand is one of the things with WebObjects which gives me a > constant headache, WOMonitor has a lot of issues (e.g. doesn't restart scheduled apps, > or a lot of time outs) and I never managed to deploy a WO app in a Servlet container. > > Bye, > - Marius ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
Le 2011-09-27 à 09:05, David LeBer a écrit : > > On 2011-09-27, at 8:57 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: > >> So that it's bookmarkable and that search engine robots can index it? > > And so it's humanly readable and guessable. And shorter to send over on Twitter. > D > >> >>> Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written URLs? >>> >>> richard palmer >>> >>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >>> Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. > > > -- > David LeBer > Codeferous Software > 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' > site: http://codeferous.com > blog: http://davidleber.net > profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber > twitter: http://twitter.com/rebeld > -- > Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: > http://tacow.org > > > > > > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca > > This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
On 2011-09-27, at 8:57 AM, Pascal Robert wrote: > So that it's bookmarkable and that search engine robots can index it? And so it's humanly readable and guessable. D > >> Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written URLs? >> >> richard palmer >> >> On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: >> >>> Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local >>> database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL >>> alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. >>> -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
So that it's bookmarkable and that search engine robots can index it? > Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written URLs? > > richard palmer > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > >> Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local >> database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL >> alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. >> > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca > > This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Lightweight "stateful" pages?
Why does Apple want to obscure their use of WebObjects with re-written URLs? richard palmer On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > Cookies or, if you know you are using only HTML5 browsers, maybe local > database storage. And don't assume there is no WO app based on the URL > alone. Re-written URLs can hide a lot. > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
