Re: Amazon Linux 2023
Thanks Paul, that’s really helpful. java -version openjdk version "1.8.0_402" OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_402-b06) OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.402-b06, mixed mode) Will I need to change to corretto? Sounds like I will need to look into cronie, thanks for the heads up. Is the WO apache adaptor going to work as is? And wotaskd and javamonitor should be fine I guess as just java apps. John > On 18 Jun 2024, at 00:25, Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Hi John, > > On 17 Jun 2024, at 20:09, John Pollard via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > >> I am deployed to Amazon Linux 2 and need to move to Amazon Linux 2023 by >> March 2025. >> >> Was anyone else in this boat / has already done this migration? >> >> If so, is there anything I should be aware of before I start, or smooth >> sailing? > > On the whole, smooth sailing. Looking at the changes to our appserver setup > script here, I can see: > > * Change in how to install JREs: the "amazon-linux-extras" step has gone, > looks like Corretto JREs are available immediately using yum. > > * Looks like postfix is no longer started automatically: our script used to > kill this, and no longer does. > > * Looks like cron is no longer provided, and we're installing cronie. > > Obviously whether or not any of these are relevant to you will depend on how > you set up your appservers. > > > -- > Paul Hoadley > https://logicsquad.net/ > https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/john%40pollardweb.com > > This email sent to j...@pollardweb.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Amazon Linux 2023
Hi John, On 17 Jun 2024, at 20:09, John Pollard via Webobjects-dev wrote: > I am deployed to Amazon Linux 2 and need to move to Amazon Linux 2023 by > March 2025. > > Was anyone else in this boat / has already done this migration? > > If so, is there anything I should be aware of before I start, or smooth > sailing? On the whole, smooth sailing. Looking at the changes to our appserver setup script here, I can see: * Change in how to install JREs: the "amazon-linux-extras" step has gone, looks like Corretto JREs are available immediately using yum. * Looks like postfix is no longer started automatically: our script used to kill this, and no longer does. * Looks like cron is no longer provided, and we're installing cronie. Obviously whether or not any of these are relevant to you will depend on how you set up your appservers. -- Paul Hoadley https://logicsquad.net/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Amazon Linux 2023
I’ve been using containers which are helpful in controlling the administration without need of knowing much about the host environment. > On Jun 17, 2024, at 6:39 AM, John Pollard via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Hello, > > I am deployed to Amazon Linux 2 and need to move to Amazon Linux 2023 by > March 2025. > > Was anyone else in this boat / has already done this migration? > > If so, is there anything I should be aware of before I start, or smooth > sailing? > > I have a very manual deployment, but have extensive notes from moving between > AL1 and AL2 so hoping that should help. > > Many thanks, > John > > > John Pollard > 077 4221 0024 > > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jtayler%40oeinc.com > > This email sent to jtay...@oeinc.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Amazon Linux 2023
Hello, I am deployed to Amazon Linux 2 and need to move to Amazon Linux 2023 by March 2025. Was anyone else in this boat / has already done this migration? If so, is there anything I should be aware of before I start, or smooth sailing? I have a very manual deployment, but have extensive notes from moving between AL1 and AL2 so hoping that should help. Many thanks, John John Pollard 077 4221 0024 ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [POSSIBLY SOLVED]: Cannot obtain globalId for an object which is registered in an other than the databaseContext's active editingContext
Just a quick followup: I've tested further, and alas, looks like the very same problem may happen regardless the fetchTimestamp due to inverse flattened M:N relationships. Test case same as below, just without 1/4, but with a flattened M:N two-side relationship; culprit in (vii) very slightly different — the original relationship gets filled from the snapshot without any problem, but the inverse may (quite probably) need to be fetched, with precisely the same outcome. Sigh. > On 9. 6. 2024, at 2:46, ocs--- via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Hi there again, > > I was eventually able to repeat the problem and it sort of stinks by a bug in > EOF (or I am doing something wrong, of course, as so often :)) My test code > is just a wee bit at the convoluted side, based on my own model and besides > written in Groovy, thus there's no point in quoting it; but the gist is this: > > 1. create an EC1, assign it a fetchTimestamp in future (something like > System.currentTimeMillis()+1500 should suffice) > 2. lock EC1 > 3. fetch into EC1 an object with a :N relationship and change that > relationship, not saving the changes > 4. wait until the fetchTimestamp expires > 5. in a separate thread with its own EC2 (locked) change the same > relationship of the same object (localInstanceIn(EC2) of course) > 6. save the changes in EC2 > 7. back in the original thread, wait until the thread with steps 5 and 6 > ends. Then unlock EC1 > 8. finally, in an unrelated EC3 insert some unrelated new object and > saveChanges... > > ... and at least at my side, I get “Cannot obtain globalId for an object > which is registered in an other than the databaseContext's active > editingContext“ exception all right! > > I believe the steps above are completely valid and should not cause problems, > or do I overlook something here? > > I might be wrong, it is a bit at the complex side, but I think this is what > happens under the hood: > (i) EC3 saveChanges of step 8 just calls > EOObjectStoreCoordinator.saveChangesInEditingContext ... > (ii) which first makes sure there's a proper source (happens to be > EODatabaseContext) for each inserted object in its _sources; this > EODatabaseContext happens to be the only shared EODatabaseContext a simple > application like this one uses (no more OSCs, no concurrent DB access) > (iii) each _source gets _willPrepareForSave and then each _source gets > prepareForSaveWithCoordinator — and this sets its _editingContext to EC3! > (iv) furthermore each _source gets recordChangesInEditingContext, > performChanges, and eventually commitChanges > (v) inside of commitChanges, EODatabaseContext finds that some changes really > happened and posts EOGlobalIDChangedNotification > (vi) EC1, which up to this moment was dormant, observes this notification and > through _globalIDChanged, _sendOrEnqueueNotification, yadda yadda, eventually > gets to merge the change into its own object > (vii) which change includes checking the current relationship value. Since > the fetchTimestamp is already in the past, this involves re-fetching the > relationship in EC1 ... > (viii) ... which goes through the one and only shared EODatabaseContext we > have. That EODatabaseContext though still has its _editingContext set to EC3 > from the step (iii))! > > Hilarity ensues, the “Cannot obtain globalId for an object which is > registered in an other...” exception gets thrown (if this did not happen, the > EODatabaseContext's _editingContext would get nulled at the very end of > commitChanges, too late for us). > > Do I overlook something of importance? Seems me not to; I guess anyone can > repeat the test code 1-8 outlined above (just beware logs — they might fire > the fault prematurely; also I've found essentially each localInstanceIn locks > ECs and thus disrupts the normal processing — best to prepare all the ECs and > all their local instances at the very start, around the step 1). > > What would be the best fix/work-around? I can't see any simple one; and I > would rather not override and re-implement the complete and rather > non-trivial commitChanges method. > > Thanks and all the best, > OC > >> On 8. 6. 2024, at 4:38, ocs--- via Webobjects-dev >> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Hi there, >> >> again in about 2 years the $subject did happen: >> >> “Cannot obtain globalId for an object which is registered in an other than >> the databaseContext's active editingContext, object: >> [USER#1000175@EC:34ea315d/OSC:77b7ffa4], databaseContext: >> com.webobjects.eoaccess.EODatabaseContext@512d92b, object's editingContext: >> EC:34ea315d/OSC:77b7ffa4, databaseC
[POSSIBLY SOLVED]: Cannot obtain globalId for an object which is registered in an other than the databaseContext's active editingContext
Hi there again, I was eventually able to repeat the problem and it sort of stinks by a bug in EOF (or I am doing something wrong, of course, as so often :)) My test code is just a wee bit at the convoluted side, based on my own model and besides written in Groovy, thus there's no point in quoting it; but the gist is this: 1. create an EC1, assign it a fetchTimestamp in future (something like System.currentTimeMillis()+1500 should suffice) 2. lock EC1 3. fetch into EC1 an object with a :N relationship and change that relationship, not saving the changes 4. wait until the fetchTimestamp expires 5. in a separate thread with its own EC2 (locked) change the same relationship of the same object (localInstanceIn(EC2) of course) 6. save the changes in EC2 7. back in the original thread, wait until the thread with steps 5 and 6 ends. Then unlock EC1 8. finally, in an unrelated EC3 insert some unrelated new object and saveChanges... ... and at least at my side, I get “Cannot obtain globalId for an object which is registered in an other than the databaseContext's active editingContext“ exception all right! I believe the steps above are completely valid and should not cause problems, or do I overlook something here? I might be wrong, it is a bit at the complex side, but I think this is what happens under the hood: (i) EC3 saveChanges of step 8 just calls EOObjectStoreCoordinator.saveChangesInEditingContext ... (ii) which first makes sure there's a proper source (happens to be EODatabaseContext) for each inserted object in its _sources; this EODatabaseContext happens to be the only shared EODatabaseContext a simple application like this one uses (no more OSCs, no concurrent DB access) (iii) each _source gets _willPrepareForSave and then each _source gets prepareForSaveWithCoordinator — and this sets its _editingContext to EC3! (iv) furthermore each _source gets recordChangesInEditingContext, performChanges, and eventually commitChanges (v) inside of commitChanges, EODatabaseContext finds that some changes really happened and posts EOGlobalIDChangedNotification (vi) EC1, which up to this moment was dormant, observes this notification and through _globalIDChanged, _sendOrEnqueueNotification, yadda yadda, eventually gets to merge the change into its own object (vii) which change includes checking the current relationship value. Since the fetchTimestamp is already in the past, this involves re-fetching the relationship in EC1 ... (viii) ... which goes through the one and only shared EODatabaseContext we have. That EODatabaseContext though still has its _editingContext set to EC3 from the step (iii))! Hilarity ensues, the “Cannot obtain globalId for an object which is registered in an other...” exception gets thrown (if this did not happen, the EODatabaseContext's _editingContext would get nulled at the very end of commitChanges, too late for us). Do I overlook something of importance? Seems me not to; I guess anyone can repeat the test code 1-8 outlined above (just beware logs — they might fire the fault prematurely; also I've found essentially each localInstanceIn locks ECs and thus disrupts the normal processing — best to prepare all the ECs and all their local instances at the very start, around the step 1). What would be the best fix/work-around? I can't see any simple one; and I would rather not override and re-implement the complete and rather non-trivial commitChanges method. Thanks and all the best, OC > On 8. 6. 2024, at 4:38, ocs--- via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Hi there, > > again in about 2 years the $subject did happen: > > “Cannot obtain globalId for an object which is registered in an other than > the databaseContext's active editingContext, object: > [USER#1000175@EC:34ea315d/OSC:77b7ffa4], databaseContext: > com.webobjects.eoaccess.EODatabaseContext@512d92b, object's editingContext: > EC:34ea315d/OSC:77b7ffa4, databaseContext's active editingContext: > EC:7de5b11a/OSC:77b7ffa4“ > > (ECs are my subclasses which log out the appropriate OSC, too; did that when > I've hunted for bugs in multi-OSC environment. Unimportant here, in this case > all OSCs are same.) > > Again, as before, the cause were the changes previously stored for later in > another EC (since when they actually happened, the EC was locked). The > important stack items (far as I can say) are here (full stack at the end of > the message, should it help): > > - EODatabaseContext._globalIDForObject(EODatabaseContext.java:4660) # failed, > since this._editingContext=EC:7de5b11a, object.editingContext=EC:34ea315d > - EOCustomObject.includeObjectIntoPropertyWithKey(EOCustomObject.java:904) # > pretty sure both were in the same EC, 34ea315d > - EOEditingContext._processNotificationQueue(EOEditingContext.java:4741) # > should be EC:34ea315d, whose merge queue happens to be non-empty >
Cannot obtain globalId for an object which is registered in an other than the databaseContext's active editingContext
aseContext._objectsWithFetchSpecificationEditingContext(EODatabaseContext.java:3055) - EODatabaseContext.objectsWithFetchSpecification(EODatabaseContext.java:3195) - EOObjectStoreCoordinator.objectsWithFetchSpecification(EOObjectStoreCoordinator.java:488) - EOEditingContext.objectsWithFetchSpecification(EOEditingContext.java:4069) - ERXEC.objectsWithFetchSpecification(ERXEC.java:1307) - EODatabaseContext.objectsForSourceGlobalID(EODatabaseContext.java:4084) - EOObjectStoreCoordinator.objectsForSourceGlobalID(EOObjectStoreCoordinator.java:634) - EOEditingContext.objectsForSourceGlobalID(EOEditingContext.java:3923) - ERXEC.objectsForSourceGlobalID(ERXEC.java:1267) - EODatabaseContext._fireArrayFault(EODatabaseContext.java:4245) - EOAccessArrayFaultHandler.completeInitializationOfObject(EOAccessArrayFaultHandler.java:77) - _EOCheapCopyMutableArray.willRead(_EOCheapCopyMutableArray.java:39) - _EOCheapCopyMutableArray.count(_EOCheapCopyMutableArray.java:99) - NSArray.containsObject(NSArray.java:459) - EOCustomObject.includeObjectIntoPropertyWithKey(EOCustomObject.java:904) - ERXGenericRecord.includeObjectIntoPropertyWithKey(ERXGenericRecord.java:1291) - ERXGenericRecord$includeObjectIntoPropertyWithKey$6.callCurrent(:-1) - ERXGenericRecord$includeObjectIntoPropertyWithKey$6.callCurrent(:-1) - _DBUser.addToAuctionAccess(_DBUser.groovy:277) - NSSelector._safeInvokeMethod(NSSelector.java:122) - EOCustomObject.addObjectToPropertyWithKey(EOCustomObject.java:940) - EOEditingContext._mergeValueForKey(EOEditingContext.java:660) - EOEditingContext._mergeObjectWithChanges(EOEditingContext.java:3457) - EOEditingContext._processObjectStoreChanges(EOEditingContext.java:3546) - ERXEC._processObjectStoreChanges(ERXEC.java:1555) - OCSEC.super$4$_processObjectStoreChanges(OCSEnterpriseObject.groovy:-1) - OCSEC._processObjectStoreChanges(OCSEnterpriseObject.groovy:137) - NSSelector.invoke(NSSelector.java:358) - NSSelector._safeInvokeSelector(NSSelector.java:110) - EOEditingContext._processNotificationQueue(EOEditingContext.java:4741) - EOEditingContext.lock(EOEditingContext.java:4620) - ERXEC.lock(ERXEC.java:568) - OCSEC.super$4$lock(OCSEnterpriseObject.groovy:-1) - OCSEC.lock(OCSEnterpriseObject.groovy:224) - EOEditingContext.tryLock(EOEditingContext.java:4632) - EOEditingContext._sendOrEnqueueNotification(EOEditingContext.java:4705) - EOEditingContext._globalIDChanged(EOEditingContext.java:2038) - NSSelector._safeInvokeMethod(NSSelector.java:122) - NSNotificationCenter$_Entry.invokeMethod(NSNotificationCenter.java:588) - NSNotificationCenter.postNotification(NSNotificationCenter.java:532) - NSNotificationCenter.postNotification(NSNotificationCenter.java:562) - EOObjectStoreCoordinator._globalIDsChangedInSubStore(EOObjectStoreCoordinator.java:698) - NSSelector._safeInvokeMethod(NSSelector.java:122) - NSNotificationCenter$_Entry.invokeMethod(NSNotificationCenter.java:588) - NSNotificationCenter.postNotification(NSNotificationCenter.java:532) - NSNotificationCenter.postNotification(NSNotificationCenter.java:562) - EODatabaseContext.commitChanges(EODatabaseContext.java:6377) - EOObjectStoreCoordinator.saveChangesInEditingContext(EOObjectStoreCoordinator.java:386) - EOEditingContext.saveChanges(EOEditingContext.java:3192) - ERXEC._saveChanges(ERXEC.java:1178) - ERXEC.saveChanges(ERXEC.java:1099) - OCSEC.super$4$saveChanges(OCSEnterpriseObject.groovy:-1) - OCSEC.saveChanges(OCSEnterpriseObject.groovy:106) - OCSEC$saveChanges.call(:-1) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Memory Adaptor
Hi, I try to use the Memory adaptor for an EOModel. But on ec.saveChanges() I get an exception because the EREntityStore (er.memoryadaptor.ERMemoryEntityStore) cannot be instantiated within the EREntityStoreFactory. How can I solve that problem? I have created the EOModel with "Memory" as adaptor, then I lock my EC and create some EOs and execute ec.saveChanges(). Should I configure more things? Thanks André java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Attempt to insert null object into an com.webobjects.foundation.NSMutableDictionary. at com.webobjects.foundation.NSMutableDictionary.setObjectForKey(NSMutableDictionary.java:206) at er.memoryadaptor.EREntityStoreFactory._entityStoreForExternalName(EREntityStoreFactory.java:108) at er.memoryadaptor.EREntityStoreFactory._entityStoreForEntity(EREntityStoreFactory.java:84) at er.memoryadaptor.ERMemoryAdaptorContext._entityStoreForEntity(ERMemoryAdaptorContext.java:69) at er.memoryadaptor.ERMemoryAdaptorContext._newPrimaryKey(ERMemoryAdaptorContext.java:74) at com.webobjects.eoaccess.EODatabaseContext._primaryKeyForObject(EODatabaseContext.java:4609) at com.webobjects.eoaccess.EODatabaseContext.prepareForSaveWithCoordinator(EODatabaseContext.java:5688) at com.webobjects.eocontrol.EOObjectStoreCoordinator.saveChangesInEditingContext(EOObjectStoreCoordinator.java:370) at com.webobjects.eocontrol.EOEditingContext.saveChanges(EOEditingContext.java:3192) ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: re/store context somehow? (OCsite)
On 19 May 2024, at 5:55 am, o...@ocs.cz wrote:
> Hmmm... can you recall please some scenarios, which lead to the spectacular
> failure?
I'm talking only about ERPersistentSessionStorage.framework, and runtime
failures occur whenever it hits something in the object graph rooted at your
Session that isn't Java-serializable for any reason (including EOs, components,
objects from Wonder, objects from your codebase). The most recent thread on
this seems to be "WOSession serialisation redux" started by me on 19 May 2015.
Ramsey thought at the time that he'd made Wonder-side fixes to bring it all
"about 95% there". Of course, there's now 9 years of additional commits and
bit-rot, but maybe it's still around that mark. Then there's your code,
everything in your Sessions, EOs, and components. You can always give it a try
and see what happens, but if you're only "about 95% there", that's a lot of
unrecoverable, runtime failures to store your sessions.
I wasn't talking about anything you're doing below.
> Based on the ER source code and some Ramsey suggestionst (thanks again!) I've
> found a way which so far, tested just for a short time only at my side, seems
> to work reasonably well — here's the gist, without error checking, logging
> and other cosmetics:
>
> ===
> class OCSSession extends ERXSession {
> WOContext lastContext
> void sleep {
> if (context.page) lastContext=context.clone()
> super.sleep()
> }
> }
>
> class OCSDirectAction extends ERXDirectAction {
> WOActionResults restorePreviousStateAction {
> Session ss=session()
> if (ss.lastContext) { // code essentially stolen from
> ERD2WDirectAction
> String cid=ss.lastContext.request.stringFormValueForKey('__cid')
> if (cid) return ss.restorePageForContextID(cid)
> if (ss.lastContext.page) return ss.lastContext.page
> }
> pageWithName(MainPage.class.name)
> }
> }
> ===
>
> If you can foresee case(s) when it would fail, I'd be grateful for some
> hints, so that I test them here and update my code appropriately.
>
> Thanks again and all the best,
> OC
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Re: re/store context somehow? (OCsite)
Thanks a lot, also to all others!
> On 18. 5. 2024, at 4:06, Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev
> wrote:
> On 18 May 2024, at 6:26 am, Amedeo Mantica via Webobjects-dev
> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>>
> wrote:
>> I no longer use WO but I recall this framework in wonder:
>> ERPersistentSessionStorage
>
> That framework is a fantastic proof of concept, but in practice the approach
> can be quite brittle. It works by Java-serializing the object graph rooted at
> the WOSession, so if any object in that graph isn't serializable, it's game
> over for that session. By all means try it out, but in our experience (and
> we've sunk many hours into experimentation with it), it works brilliantly
> right up until it fails spectacularly.
Hmmm... can you recall please some scenarios, which lead to the spectacular
failure?
Based on the ER source code and some Ramsey suggestionst (thanks again!) I've
found a way which so far, tested just for a short time only at my side, seems
to work reasonably well — here's the gist, without error checking, logging and
other cosmetics:
===
class OCSSession extends ERXSession {
WOContext lastContext
void sleep {
if (context.page) lastContext=context.clone()
super.sleep()
}
}
class OCSDirectAction extends ERXDirectAction {
WOActionResults restorePreviousStateAction {
Session ss=session()
if (ss.lastContext) { // code essentially stolen from ERD2WDirectAction
String cid=ss.lastContext.request.stringFormValueForKey('__cid')
if (cid) return ss.restorePageForContextID(cid)
if (ss.lastContext.page) return ss.lastContext.page
}
pageWithName(MainPage.class.name)
}
}
===
If you can foresee case(s) when it would fail, I'd be grateful for some hints,
so that I test them here and update my code appropriately.
Thanks again and all the best,
OC
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Re: re/store context somehow? (OCsite)
On 18 May 2024, at 6:26 am, Amedeo Mantica via Webobjects-dev wrote: > I no longer use WO but I recall this framework in wonder: > ERPersistentSessionStorage That framework is a fantastic proof of concept, but in practice the approach can be quite brittle. It works by Java-serializing the object graph rooted at the WOSession, so if any object in that graph isn't serializable, it's game over for that session. By all means try it out, but in our experience (and we've sunk many hours into experimentation with it), it works brilliantly right up until it fails spectacularly. -- Paul Hoadley https://logicsquad.net/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: re/store context somehow? (OCsite)
Your best bet is likely to store the entire WOComponent as an ivar in the session. You can get it from context().page() That way wen they return and the session is still alive you can return that ivar to render where they were and what they were doing. So you’ll need to store it in the session in something like the end of appendToResponse() and then maybe have a link in the top left corner to “restore prior page" > On May 17, 2024, at 4:56 PM, Amedeo Mantica via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > I no longer use WO but I recall this framework in wonder: > ERPersistentSessionStorage > > Amedeo > > >> On 17 May 2024, at 22:01, Martino Limido via Webobjects-dev >> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Hi there, >> >> it’s important to note that the `WOContext` object in WebObjects ends with >> the lifecycle of the request and response. This means that simply storing >> the `WOContext` object is not feasible as it will no longer be available >> after the request is completed. >> >> ### Possibility of Implementation: >> >> 1. **Context Serialization**: >> - While WebObjects does not natively support serializing the entire >> `WOContext`, it is possible to manually serialize the essential parts of the >> context. This includes capturing the state of components, user inputs, and >> any relevant session information. >> - You can use `context().clone()` in `Session.sleep()` to clone the context >> state. However, ensure that all referenced objects within the context are >> serializable. This might involve customizing the serialization process for >> complex objects. >> >> 2. **State Storage**: >> - Store the serialized state in a persistent format, such as a database or >> a session file. The storage mechanism should be robust enough to handle the >> complexity of the serialized data and ensure it can be accurately retrieved >> later. >> >> 3. **State Restoration**: >> - In the `restorePreviousAction` DirectAction, implement a mechanism to >> deserialize and reintegrate the previously saved state. This involves >> reconstructing the `WOContext` and ensuring all components and user states >> are accurately restored. >> - This might require a custom deserialization logic to handle complex >> objects and ensure they are correctly linked within the session. >> >> ### Challenges: >> - **Complexity**: Serializing complex objects and managing cross-references >> can significantly increase code complexity. WebObjects' inherent >> statefulness and deep object graph make this particularly challenging. >> - **Data Integrity**: Ensuring data consistency during the serialization and >> deserialization process is critical. Any mismatch can lead to errors or >> inconsistent application states. >> - **Performance**: Serialization and deserialization can impact performance, >> especially if the context is large or complex. It’s important to optimize >> this process to minimize the performance overhead. >> >> ### Recommendation: >> Given the complexities and potential issues with this approach, it might be >> better to rethink the application design. Consider structuring the >> application to use DirectActions with simpler states that are easier to >> restore. This could involve: >> - Breaking down complex states into smaller, more manageable parts that can >> be easily serialized and deserialized. >> - Ensuring that each DirectAction has a well-defined and minimal state that >> can be captured and restored without requiring the entire context. >> - Leveraging stateless designs where possible, and using session storage >> judiciously to maintain essential state information. >> >> ### Conclusion: >> Implementing this functionality is technically possible but requires >> significant effort and a deep understanding of the object lifecycle in >> WebObjects. Given that the `WOContext` object ends with the request/response >> cycle, manually serializing and restoring its state is complex and >> potentially error-prone. >> >> >> Best regards, >> Martino >> >>> Il giorno 17 mag 2024, alle ore 21:00, webobjects-dev- >>> >>> 1. re/store context somehow? (OCsite) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 21:14:39 +0200 >>> From: OCsite >>> To: OCsite via Webobjects-dev >>> Subject: re/store context somehow?
Re: re/store context somehow? (OCsite)
I no longer use WO but I recall this framework in wonder: ERPersistentSessionStorage Amedeo > On 17 May 2024, at 22:01, Martino Limido via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Hi there, > > it’s important to note that the `WOContext` object in WebObjects ends with > the lifecycle of the request and response. This means that simply storing the > `WOContext` object is not feasible as it will no longer be available after > the request is completed. > > ### Possibility of Implementation: > > 1. **Context Serialization**: > - While WebObjects does not natively support serializing the entire > `WOContext`, it is possible to manually serialize the essential parts of the > context. This includes capturing the state of components, user inputs, and > any relevant session information. > - You can use `context().clone()` in `Session.sleep()` to clone the context > state. However, ensure that all referenced objects within the context are > serializable. This might involve customizing the serialization process for > complex objects. > > 2. **State Storage**: > - Store the serialized state in a persistent format, such as a database or > a session file. The storage mechanism should be robust enough to handle the > complexity of the serialized data and ensure it can be accurately retrieved > later. > > 3. **State Restoration**: > - In the `restorePreviousAction` DirectAction, implement a mechanism to > deserialize and reintegrate the previously saved state. This involves > reconstructing the `WOContext` and ensuring all components and user states > are accurately restored. > - This might require a custom deserialization logic to handle complex > objects and ensure they are correctly linked within the session. > > ### Challenges: > - **Complexity**: Serializing complex objects and managing cross-references > can significantly increase code complexity. WebObjects' inherent statefulness > and deep object graph make this particularly challenging. > - **Data Integrity**: Ensuring data consistency during the serialization and > deserialization process is critical. Any mismatch can lead to errors or > inconsistent application states. > - **Performance**: Serialization and deserialization can impact performance, > especially if the context is large or complex. It’s important to optimize > this process to minimize the performance overhead. > > ### Recommendation: > Given the complexities and potential issues with this approach, it might be > better to rethink the application design. Consider structuring the > application to use DirectActions with simpler states that are easier to > restore. This could involve: > - Breaking down complex states into smaller, more manageable parts that can > be easily serialized and deserialized. > - Ensuring that each DirectAction has a well-defined and minimal state that > can be captured and restored without requiring the entire context. > - Leveraging stateless designs where possible, and using session storage > judiciously to maintain essential state information. > > ### Conclusion: > Implementing this functionality is technically possible but requires > significant effort and a deep understanding of the object lifecycle in > WebObjects. Given that the `WOContext` object ends with the request/response > cycle, manually serializing and restoring its state is complex and > potentially error-prone. > > > Best regards, > Martino > >> Il giorno 17 mag 2024, alle ore 21:00, webobjects-dev- >> >> 1. re/store context somehow? (OCsite) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 21:14:39 +0200 >> From: OCsite >> To: OCsite via Webobjects-dev >> Subject: re/store context somehow? >> Message-ID: <1d450aeb-ded8-4b1a-8438-59039f31b...@ocs.cz> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi there, >> >> my client made a somewhat weird request: wants me to store ?the last context >> the user worked in? in his session, and restore it when the user comes to >> the application through a specific Direct Action (and the session still >> lives). >> >> In other words, suppose the user works in the app for awhile, and then >> closes his browser, remembering just the session ID, nothing else. >> >> Next thing he does, he opens >> .../OurApp.woa/wa/restorePrevious?wosid=prevSessionID ? and wow, he finds >> the browser window in precisely the same state it was when he closed the >> browser some time ago. (Far as possible of course, le
Re: re/store context somehow? (OCsite)
Hi there, it’s important to note that the `WOContext` object in WebObjects ends with the lifecycle of the request and response. This means that simply storing the `WOContext` object is not feasible as it will no longer be available after the request is completed. ### Possibility of Implementation: 1. **Context Serialization**: - While WebObjects does not natively support serializing the entire `WOContext`, it is possible to manually serialize the essential parts of the context. This includes capturing the state of components, user inputs, and any relevant session information. - You can use `context().clone()` in `Session.sleep()` to clone the context state. However, ensure that all referenced objects within the context are serializable. This might involve customizing the serialization process for complex objects. 2. **State Storage**: - Store the serialized state in a persistent format, such as a database or a session file. The storage mechanism should be robust enough to handle the complexity of the serialized data and ensure it can be accurately retrieved later. 3. **State Restoration**: - In the `restorePreviousAction` DirectAction, implement a mechanism to deserialize and reintegrate the previously saved state. This involves reconstructing the `WOContext` and ensuring all components and user states are accurately restored. - This might require a custom deserialization logic to handle complex objects and ensure they are correctly linked within the session. ### Challenges: - **Complexity**: Serializing complex objects and managing cross-references can significantly increase code complexity. WebObjects' inherent statefulness and deep object graph make this particularly challenging. - **Data Integrity**: Ensuring data consistency during the serialization and deserialization process is critical. Any mismatch can lead to errors or inconsistent application states. - **Performance**: Serialization and deserialization can impact performance, especially if the context is large or complex. It’s important to optimize this process to minimize the performance overhead. ### Recommendation: Given the complexities and potential issues with this approach, it might be better to rethink the application design. Consider structuring the application to use DirectActions with simpler states that are easier to restore. This could involve: - Breaking down complex states into smaller, more manageable parts that can be easily serialized and deserialized. - Ensuring that each DirectAction has a well-defined and minimal state that can be captured and restored without requiring the entire context. - Leveraging stateless designs where possible, and using session storage judiciously to maintain essential state information. ### Conclusion: Implementing this functionality is technically possible but requires significant effort and a deep understanding of the object lifecycle in WebObjects. Given that the `WOContext` object ends with the request/response cycle, manually serializing and restoring its state is complex and potentially error-prone. Best regards, Martino > Il giorno 17 mag 2024, alle ore 21:00, webobjects-dev- > > 1. re/store context somehow? (OCsite) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 21:14:39 +0200 > From: OCsite > To: OCsite via Webobjects-dev > Subject: re/store context somehow? > Message-ID: <1d450aeb-ded8-4b1a-8438-59039f31b...@ocs.cz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi there, > > my client made a somewhat weird request: wants me to store ?the last context > the user worked in? in his session, and restore it when the user comes to the > application through a specific Direct Action (and the session still lives). > > In other words, suppose the user works in the app for awhile, and then closes > his browser, remembering just the session ID, nothing else. > > Next thing he does, he opens > .../OurApp.woa/wa/restorePrevious?wosid=prevSessionID ? and wow, he finds the > browser window in precisely the same state it was when he closed the browser > some time ago. (Far as possible of course, let's assume for simplicity the > internal app/session/DB state did not change meantime.) > > I guess most probably I need to save context().clone() into session each time > in Session.sleep(), that's not difficult. But then in my > DirectAction.restorePreviousAction I need to resurrect the saved context > somehow, but I can't find a way to do that. Does anybody know how to? > > Thanks! ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
re/store context somehow?
Hi there, my client made a somewhat weird request: wants me to store “the last context the user worked in” in his session, and restore it when the user comes to the application through a specific Direct Action (and the session still lives). In other words, suppose the user works in the app for awhile, and then closes his browser, remembering just the session ID, nothing else. Next thing he does, he opens .../OurApp.woa/wa/restorePrevious?wosid=prevSessionID — and wow, he finds the browser window in precisely the same state it was when he closed the browser some time ago. (Far as possible of course, let's assume for simplicity the internal app/session/DB state did not change meantime.) I guess most probably I need to save context().clone() into session each time in Session.sleep(), that's not difficult. But then in my DirectAction.restorePreviousAction I need to resurrect the saved context somehow, but I can't find a way to do that. Does anybody know how to? Thanks! OC ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
webserverresources path for older versions
Hi there, on our testing site, we often install more applications served by different builds, so that testers can easily compare the changes. E.g., two applications “Test2” and “Test3” are configured in JavaMonitor with paths “/Local/WOApps/Test/build2/Test.woa/Test” and “/Local/WOApps/Test/build3/Test.woa/Test” (and different log paths, yadda yadda). Works like a charm... but for the web server resources; they are, of course, by default shared and all builds automatically use the latest installed copy. It would help if we could somehow force an application (the one based on an older build) to consistently provide resources from the application folder, effectively ignoring split install, like it happens with direct connect, generating URLs like “/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Test.woa/wr/wodata=/the-current-app-path/Test.woa/Contents/WebServerResources/SomeFile.css” instead of those standard split-install “/WebObjects/Test.woa/Contents/WebServerResources/SomeFile.css” ones. Is there a setting or another trick to enforce that? I've tried to set “-WODirectConnectEnabled YES” for an application served by an older build, but to no avail, it still keeps generating the normal split-install URLs. Or is there another easy trick to do that? Of course I could use the “href” binding in my “ERXStyleSheet” and similar tags instead of “filename” (and tweak all the “additionalCSSFiles” in a similar way, yadda...) and compute the paths programmatically based on something like “WOApplication.application().path()”, but that could get sorta ugly soon... and besides, I'd much rather exploit the framework power than to skip it and DIY :) Thanks! OC ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Wonder-slim
Hi Francois! > On May 3, 2024, at 20:57, Francois BIENTZ wrote: > > Hi Hugi > > Ah yes the missing "natures" alert can be stopped in the Eclipses > preferences . Ah, excellent. I guess we should really just fix that thing with WO requiring that nature… I somehow doubt cease-and-desist orders will start streaming in from Apple if we decompile NSStandardProjectBundle in ERFoundation, change that nature string and just drop it into Wonder. > I have to learn lots of things from maven before being able to use your > Wonder-slim. Don't hesitate to ask if you hit problems. The transition has usually been easy, and I think the community has already bumped into all the potentially sharp corners and knows the solutions. Here's a transition guide that Paul has contributed as well (and that's been on it's way to the Wiki for years now). https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/3c269a3196d0c4f2da486f1109c16d42 > Thank you for your new link to "Let’s set it up". > > If I understand well , you use Wonder-slim (Wo and Wonder parts) for the web > parts and Cayenne replaces EOF. Yes, I use WO/Slim for all web work. And if I need to speak to a DB and can choose the library to use, I usually use Cayenne. Cheers, - hugi > > Francois > >> Le 1 mai 2024 à 23:38, Francois BIENTZ a écrit : >> >> Hi Hugi >> >> Thank you >> When I import wonder-slim in eclipse I get the "your IDE is missing natures >> to properly support your project " >> In your wonder-slim README the link after "Let’s set it up" seems broken. >> May be is something wrong in my Wo / Maven configuration. >> I can’t find the testapp in the repository to "play around ". >> >> Francois >> >>> Le 1 mai 2024 à 16:31, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev >>> a écrit : >>> >>> Hi Ricardo, >>> >>> https://github.com/undur/wonder-slim >>> >>> in short, it's a fork of Wonder that removes everything except >>> ERExtensions, WOOGNL and JavaWOExtensions (which are all combined in a >>> single framework, since they're usually all required and present in WO >>> projects) plus Ajax.framework. So basically, a small subset of Project >>> Wonder. >>> >>> It also: >>> >>> * Has >a lot< of stuff removed, reorganized, refactored and cleaned up to >>> make it cleaner, nicer and easier to understand and maintain >>> * Based on JDK 21 >>> * Has all logging moved to slf4j-api and log4j specific stuff moved to a >>> separate framework (which replaces log4j with reload4j). >>> * Replaces proprietary APIs and library usage with the standard methods >>> we've gained from modern JDKs (so the only 3rd party dependency it pulls in >>> is slf4j-api) >>> * Assumes it's running on the last released version of WO (5.4.3), removing >>> workarounds for older versions >>> * And a lot more… That's just off the top of my head >>> >>> I initially started it mostly as an experiment to learn Wonder's insides, >>> see how it could be cleaned up, better organized and even split up, >>> planning to eventually backport some of the cleanup work. But eventually it >>> just got out of hand and I now just use it in all of my projects :). >>> >>> A point to keep in mind is that it also removes everything related to EOF, >>> since in my world EOF is legacy (and yes, please don't be insulted, I'm >>> well aware that that's a subjective view from a Cayenne user. For actual >>> EOF users I know EOF is fine and in full use). But that means — if you're >>> currently using Wonder/EOF in your projects, I would not recommend Slim >>> since you're probably dependent on both Wonder's APIs, patches and fixes to >>> EOF. >>> >>> A side project was splitting off the deployment tools into a separate >>> project (where I haven't done as much work yet, but that's soon to come). >>> Just feels like these tools deserve their own effort. >>> >>> https://github.com/undur/wonder-deployment >>> >>> All in all, this is really something of a niche project and I wouldn't >>> consider it essential for anyone currently using Wonder. But for someone >>> like me, who uses WO only for it's web framework features, and just wants >>> some of the basics and fixes Wonder adds in that area, it's turned out nice. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> - hugi >>> >>> >>>>> On May 1, 2024, at 13:54, Ricardo
.wo parser/validator?
Hi, is there a commandline tool which would parse and validate a .wo, so that I could include it into my toolchain and get warnings and errors for malformed html templates build-time, instead of run-time when the appropriate page is opened? Thanks! OC ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: WoCommunity list
Hi Francois, On 3 May 2024, at 01:29, Francois BIENTZ via Webobjects-dev wrote: > Howto subscribe to > https://lists.wocommunity.org/Lists/webobjects-dev/List.html ? There are several subscribe links right at the bottom of that page. -- Paul Hoadley https://logicsquad.net/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
WoCommunity list
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Re: Wonder-slim
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Re: Wonder-slim
> On May 1, 2024, at 21:37, Francois BIENTZ wrote: > > Hi Hugi > > Thank you > When I import wonder-slim in eclipse I get the "your IDE is missing natures > to properly support your project " Ah, just tried importing in a new Eclipse worksoace and I get the same message. It seems to be complaining about the "org.maven.ide.eclipse.maven2Nature", so just click "Cancel" and you should be fine. That project nature is deprecated and is in there only for WO, so it won't matter to you or Eclipse. (the project also has the modern equivalent nature "org.eclipse.m2e.core.maven2Nature" which is for Eclipse). > In your wonder-slim README the link after "Let’s set it up" seems broken. May > be is something wrong in my Wo / Maven configuration. Ah, sorry — haven't looked at that README in ages :). I've corrected the URL, it's https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/d2ba6da9e4942f4ece95d7a721159cd1 . > I can’t find the testapp in the repository to "play around ". I probably deleted that app pretty early on. It was really just an empty application I think, so you can achieve the same by creating one of those (or adding wonder-slim to one of your existing projects). Cheers, - hugi > > Francois > >> Le 1 mai 2024 à 16:31, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev >> a écrit : >> >> Hi Ricardo, >> >> https://github.com/undur/wonder-slim >> >> in short, it's a fork of Wonder that removes everything except ERExtensions, >> WOOGNL and JavaWOExtensions (which are all combined in a single framework, >> since they're usually all required and present in WO projects) plus >> Ajax.framework. So basically, a small subset of Project Wonder. >> >> It also: >> >> * Has >a lot< of stuff removed, reorganized, refactored and cleaned up to >> make it cleaner, nicer and easier to understand and maintain >> * Based on JDK 21 >> * Has all logging moved to slf4j-api and log4j specific stuff moved to a >> separate framework (which replaces log4j with reload4j). >> * Replaces proprietary APIs and library usage with the standard methods >> we've gained from modern JDKs (so the only 3rd party dependency it pulls in >> is slf4j-api) >> * Assumes it's running on the last released version of WO (5.4.3), removing >> workarounds for older versions >> * And a lot more… That's just off the top of my head >> >> I initially started it mostly as an experiment to learn Wonder's insides, >> see how it could be cleaned up, better organized and even split up, planning >> to eventually backport some of the cleanup work. But eventually it just got >> out of hand and I now just use it in all of my projects :). >> >> A point to keep in mind is that it also removes everything related to EOF, >> since in my world EOF is legacy (and yes, please don't be insulted, I'm well >> aware that that's a subjective view from a Cayenne user. For actual EOF >> users I know EOF is fine and in full use). But that means — if you're >> currently using Wonder/EOF in your projects, I would not recommend Slim >> since you're probably dependent on both Wonder's APIs, patches and fixes to >> EOF. >> >> A side project was splitting off the deployment tools into a separate >> project (where I haven't done as much work yet, but that's soon to come). >> Just feels like these tools deserve their own effort. >> >> https://github.com/undur/wonder-deployment >> >> All in all, this is really something of a niche project and I wouldn't >> consider it essential for anyone currently using Wonder. But for someone >> like me, who uses WO only for it's web framework features, and just wants >> some of the basics and fixes Wonder adds in that area, it's turned out nice. >> >> Cheers, >> - hugi >> >> >>> On May 1, 2024, at 13:54, Ricardo Parada wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I’m just curious, what is Wonder-slim? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Ricardo >>> >>> >>>>> On Apr 29, 2024, at 4:57 PM, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Francois, >>>> I'm pretty sure I'm the only one using it at the moment :). If you're >>>> considering using it, I'd be more than happy to start making actual >>>> releases. As the only user, I've been lazy enough to just work from >>>> snapshot releases which is pretty far from best practice, so it's about >>>> time. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>>
Re: Wonder-slim
Hi Hugi Thank you When I import wonder-slim in eclipse I get the "your IDE is missing natures to properly support your project " In your wonder-slim README the link after "Let’s set it up" seems broken. May be is something wrong in my Wo / Maven configuration. I can’t find the testapp in the repository to "play around ". Francois > Le 1 mai 2024 à 16:31, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev > a écrit : > > Hi Ricardo, > > https://github.com/undur/wonder-slim > > in short, it's a fork of Wonder that removes everything except ERExtensions, > WOOGNL and JavaWOExtensions (which are all combined in a single framework, > since they're usually all required and present in WO projects) plus > Ajax.framework. So basically, a small subset of Project Wonder. > > It also: > > * Has >a lot< of stuff removed, reorganized, refactored and cleaned up to > make it cleaner, nicer and easier to understand and maintain > * Based on JDK 21 > * Has all logging moved to slf4j-api and log4j specific stuff moved to a > separate framework (which replaces log4j with reload4j). > * Replaces proprietary APIs and library usage with the standard methods we've > gained from modern JDKs (so the only 3rd party dependency it pulls in is > slf4j-api) > * Assumes it's running on the last released version of WO (5.4.3), removing > workarounds for older versions > * And a lot more… That's just off the top of my head > > I initially started it mostly as an experiment to learn Wonder's insides, see > how it could be cleaned up, better organized and even split up, planning to > eventually backport some of the cleanup work. But eventually it just got out > of hand and I now just use it in all of my projects :). > > A point to keep in mind is that it also removes everything related to EOF, > since in my world EOF is legacy (and yes, please don't be insulted, I'm well > aware that that's a subjective view from a Cayenne user. For actual EOF users > I know EOF is fine and in full use). But that means — if you're currently > using Wonder/EOF in your projects, I would not recommend Slim since you're > probably dependent on both Wonder's APIs, patches and fixes to EOF. > > A side project was splitting off the deployment tools into a separate project > (where I haven't done as much work yet, but that's soon to come). Just feels > like these tools deserve their own effort. > > https://github.com/undur/wonder-deployment > > All in all, this is really something of a niche project and I wouldn't > consider it essential for anyone currently using Wonder. But for someone like > me, who uses WO only for it's web framework features, and just wants some of > the basics and fixes Wonder adds in that area, it's turned out nice. > > Cheers, > - hugi > > >> On May 1, 2024, at 13:54, Ricardo Parada wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I’m just curious, what is Wonder-slim? >> >> Thanks >> Ricardo >> >> >>>> On Apr 29, 2024, at 4:57 PM, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev >>>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Francois, >>> I'm pretty sure I'm the only one using it at the moment :). If you're >>> considering using it, I'd be more than happy to start making actual >>> releases. As the only user, I've been lazy enough to just work from >>> snapshot releases which is pretty far from best practice, so it's about >>> time. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> - hugi >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 28, 2024, at 22:06, Francois BIENTZ via Webobjects-dev >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Someone using Wonder-slim ? >>>> ___ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is >>>> >>>> This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rparada%40mac.com >>> >>> This email sent to rpar...@mac.com >> > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/f.bientz%40laposte.net > > This email sent to f.bie...@laposte.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Wonder-slim
Hi Ricardo, https://github.com/undur/wonder-slim in short, it's a fork of Wonder that removes everything except ERExtensions, WOOGNL and JavaWOExtensions (which are all combined in a single framework, since they're usually all required and present in WO projects) plus Ajax.framework. So basically, a small subset of Project Wonder. It also: * Has >a lot< of stuff removed, reorganized, refactored and cleaned up to make it cleaner, nicer and easier to understand and maintain * Based on JDK 21 * Has all logging moved to slf4j-api and log4j specific stuff moved to a separate framework (which replaces log4j with reload4j). * Replaces proprietary APIs and library usage with the standard methods we've gained from modern JDKs (so the only 3rd party dependency it pulls in is slf4j-api) * Assumes it's running on the last released version of WO (5.4.3), removing workarounds for older versions * And a lot more… That's just off the top of my head I initially started it mostly as an experiment to learn Wonder's insides, see how it could be cleaned up, better organized and even split up, planning to eventually backport some of the cleanup work. But eventually it just got out of hand and I now just use it in all of my projects :). A point to keep in mind is that it also removes everything related to EOF, since in my world EOF is legacy (and yes, please don't be insulted, I'm well aware that that's a subjective view from a Cayenne user. For actual EOF users I know EOF is fine and in full use). But that means — if you're currently using Wonder/EOF in your projects, I would not recommend Slim since you're probably dependent on both Wonder's APIs, patches and fixes to EOF. A side project was splitting off the deployment tools into a separate project (where I haven't done as much work yet, but that's soon to come). Just feels like these tools deserve their own effort. https://github.com/undur/wonder-deployment All in all, this is really something of a niche project and I wouldn't consider it essential for anyone currently using Wonder. But for someone like me, who uses WO only for it's web framework features, and just wants some of the basics and fixes Wonder adds in that area, it's turned out nice. Cheers, - hugi > On May 1, 2024, at 13:54, Ricardo Parada wrote: > > Hi all, > > I’m just curious, what is Wonder-slim? > > Thanks > Ricardo > > >> On Apr 29, 2024, at 4:57 PM, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev >> wrote: >> >> Hi Francois, >> I'm pretty sure I'm the only one using it at the moment :). If you're >> considering using it, I'd be more than happy to start making actual >> releases. As the only user, I've been lazy enough to just work from snapshot >> releases which is pretty far from best practice, so it's about time. >> >> Cheers, >> - hugi >> >> >>> On Apr 28, 2024, at 22:06, Francois BIENTZ via Webobjects-dev >>> wrote: >>> >>> Someone using Wonder-slim ? >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is >>> >>> This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rparada%40mac.com >> >> This email sent to rpar...@mac.com > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Wonder-slim
Hi all, I’m just curious, what is Wonder-slim? Thanks Ricardo > On Apr 29, 2024, at 4:57 PM, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Hi Francois, > I'm pretty sure I'm the only one using it at the moment :). If you're > considering using it, I'd be more than happy to start making actual releases. > As the only user, I've been lazy enough to just work from snapshot releases > which is pretty far from best practice, so it's about time. > > Cheers, > - hugi > > >> On Apr 28, 2024, at 22:06, Francois BIENTZ via Webobjects-dev >> wrote: >> >> Someone using Wonder-slim ? >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is >> >> This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is > > _______ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/rparada%40mac.com > > This email sent to rpar...@mac.com _______ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Wonder-slim
Hi Francois, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one using it at the moment :). If you're considering using it, I'd be more than happy to start making actual releases. As the only user, I've been lazy enough to just work from snapshot releases which is pretty far from best practice, so it's about time. Cheers, - hugi > On Apr 28, 2024, at 22:06, Francois BIENTZ via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Someone using Wonder-slim ? > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is > > This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Re: Debug frameworks with maven project
So, a little late addendum to this discussion... While posting a video on YouTube yesterday I noticed a video I created last year (and had totally forgotten about) that illustrates this exact issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2-YxVDYu_8 In short, the reason I'm not having problems with linking between projects is that for a long time I've been running my WO applications as plain java applications, not as WOApplications. The reason I did this initially is that WOApplication launch configurations generate a totally botched class path for maven projects, as described here: https://github.com/wocommunity/wolips/issues/153. So, yeah... If you're using maven and want a correct classpath and proper inter-project relationships, run your applications as Java applications, not WOApplications. Cheers, - hugi > On Apr 16, 2024, at 05:28, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > I don't think I've ever had to attach sources of maven projects manually in > Eclipse (although I recall hitting something like this in a far past). And > given the second problem, it kind of sounds like the link between the app > project and the libraries/frameworks is completely broken. > > Paul's suggestions are good, also, if you close all your projects and then > open the main (application) project, does Eclipse offer to open "related > projects" and open them for you? > > Cheers, > - hugi > > >> On Apr 16, 2024, at 02:16, Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev >> wrote: >> >> Hi Samuel, >> >> On 11 Apr 2024, at 03:45, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev >> wrote: >> >>> I created a new workspace with the latest Eclipse to migrate my project to >>> maven. My projects run and I can debug the application code (set >>> breakpoint, click on exception stack trace to open project source) but all >>> debug functions are not working for frameworks. I set breakpoint in code >>> but Eclipse open class from a jar instead of my source. >> >> I hadn't noticed this before, but you're right. You need to tell Eclipse >> where to find the source. See: >> >> https://stackoverflow.com/a/22934568/18493 >> >>> Also, I have to restart the app to test for my code change in frameworks >>> even with an hot swap enable JRE. Seems Eclipse does not figure out the >>> maven dependencies code is in the current workspace. >> >> This I cannot reproduce. Possible explanations: >> >> 1. Maven versions have to match precisely, obviously. That is, the version >> your application POM is asking for must match the version the project open >> in the workspace is providing. >> >> 2. You have to launch the app using "Debug As...". >> >> 3. There are certain changes that hot code replacement won't allow, though >> these are usually flagged by Eclipse when you try. What type of change were >> you making? >> >> >> -- >> Paul Hoadley >> https://logicsquad.net/ >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is >> >> This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is > > This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: action in a sub-component?
Hugi,
thanks, works like a charm!
(So far I bumped into no problem without setCurrentComponent( parent() ).
Somewhat weird, but well, far as it works... :))
Thanks and all the best,
OC
> On 26. 4. 2024, at 22:19, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev
> wrote:
>
> I've never done this, but it's such a nice brain-teaser I had to try :). And
> what I did _seems_ to work.
>
> https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/37d03336de17cfcf3ac399f6325e0ff2
>
> The key is making the child component non-synchronizing, otherwise the parent
> action will get invoked during the pulling of binding values. And it should
> be quite OK if the action method returns null, that just means the same as
> returning null from any action invocation, i.e. "I'm working within and
> returning the current page instance".
>
> I'm thinking… It kind of feels like one would have to setCurrentComponent(
> parent() ) in the child before performing the action invocation and then
> reset it back to itself afterwards (since we're really invoking an action
> within the context of the parent component), but I might be wrong, this seems
> to work without it.
>
> Cheers,
> - hugi
>
>
>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 19:47, ocs--- via Webobjects-dev
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I've got a sub-component which uses performParentAction; the appropriate
>> binding is something like . Works
>> perfectly.
>>
>> Purely for aesthetic reasons (and, well, for consistency), I would prefer if
>> I could use the sub-component precisely same way one uses wo:hyperlink,
>> i.e., like this:
>>
>> Is there a trick to achieve that? Looks like in this case when I try
>> valueForBinding('action'), I get NULL :(
>>
>> Thanks,
>> OC
>>
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Re: action in a sub-component?
I've never done this, but it's such a nice brain-teaser I had to try :). And
what I did _seems_ to work.
https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/37d03336de17cfcf3ac399f6325e0ff2
The key is making the child component non-synchronizing, otherwise the parent
action will get invoked during the pulling of binding values. And it should be
quite OK if the action method returns null, that just means the same as
returning null from any action invocation, i.e. "I'm working within and
returning the current page instance".
I'm thinking… It kind of feels like one would have to setCurrentComponent(
parent() ) in the child before performing the action invocation and then reset
it back to itself afterwards (since we're really invoking an action within the
context of the parent component), but I might be wrong, this seems to work
without it.
Cheers,
- hugi
> On Apr 26, 2024, at 19:47, ocs--- via Webobjects-dev
> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I've got a sub-component which uses performParentAction; the appropriate
> binding is something like . Works
> perfectly.
>
> Purely for aesthetic reasons (and, well, for consistency), I would prefer if
> I could use the sub-component precisely same way one uses wo:hyperlink, i.e.,
> like this:
>
> Is there a trick to achieve that? Looks like in this case when I try
> valueForBinding('action'), I get NULL :(
>
> Thanks,
> OC
>
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action in a sub-component?
Hi there,
I've got a sub-component which uses performParentAction; the appropriate
binding is something like . Works
perfectly.
Purely for aesthetic reasons (and, well, for consistency), I would prefer if I
could use the sub-component precisely same way one uses wo:hyperlink, i.e.,
like this:
Is there a trick to achieve that? Looks like in this case when I try
valueForBinding('action'), I get NULL :(
Thanks,
OC
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Re: enumerating sessions?
Hi,
As Hugi wrote, you can access the list via the session store.
Be careful with access to objects inside those sessions, especially EOs since
you are outside their normal RR loop request.
I have a standard way to list active users and keep track of last access inside
session by adding those attributes:
private long lastSleepDate;
private long lastUserRequestDate;
private boolean isRequestFromUser;
and adding those overrides...
@Override
public void awake() {
super.awake();
isRequestFromUser = true;
}
@Override
public void sleep() {
lastSleepDate = System.currentTimeMillis();
if (isRequestFromUser) {
lastUserRequestDate = lastSleepDate;
}
super.sleep();
}
public void setRequestIsPing() {
isRequestFromUser = false;
}
The setRequestIsPing is to discriminate auto refresh ping request in my page
wrapper use to keep session alive when the app is displayed. I have this in the
template:
And this in the component java class:
public String pingString() {
if (ERXApplication.isAjaxRequest(context().request())) {
session().setRequestIsPing();
}
return null;
}
And this to list active sessions (SessionInfo is POJO):
WOServerSessionStore sessionStore = (WOServerSessionStore)
WOApplication.application().sessionStore();
@SuppressWarnings("unchecked")
NSArray sessions =
sessionStore._sessions().allValues();
NSMutableArray sessionInfos = new
NSMutableArray<>();
for (Session session : sessions) {
SessionInfo info = new SessionInfo();
info.hashCode = session.hashCode();
info.lastSleepDatetime = session.lastSleepDatetime();
info.lastUserRequestDate =
session.lastUserRequestDate();
info.timeOut = session.timeOutMillis();
info.usager = session.userAccessService().currentUser();
sessionInfos.add(info);
}
new
ERXKey("lastUserRequestDate").desc().sort(sessionInfos);
Regards,
Samuel
> Le 26 avr. 2024 à 08:48, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev
> a écrit :
>
> Hi,
> if you're using WO's standard session store (WOServerSessionStore) you should
> be able to access the active sessions using:
>
> ((WOServerSessionStore)WOApplication.application().sessionStore())._sessions()
>
> It will return a dictionary consisting of sessionID -> Session.
>
> Not using it though, I'm achieving this myself by using the notifications
> posted by session management (SessionDidRestoreNotification,
> SessionDidCreateNotification and SessionDidTimeOutNotification), so I can
> keep track of more info (like when the session was last touched).
>
> Cheers,
> - hugi
>
>
>> On Apr 26, 2024, at 12:33, OCsite via Webobjects-dev
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> is there a way to enumerate sessions which are alive inside of a
>> WO/ERXApplication?
>>
>> I guess I can create such a list myself, adding new ones in session.awake,
>> keeping it weak not to prevent old sessions to be destroyed (or perhaps
>> storing just session IDs), yadda yadda, but it would be much easier and less
>> error-prone just to use a WO/nder service, if there's one.
>>
>> The purpose is that we need to allow an app administrator to list all the
>> normal users which are currently logged in, and be able to force-logout
>> selected ones.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> OC
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Re: enumerating sessions?
Hi, if you're using WO's standard session store (WOServerSessionStore) you should be able to access the active sessions using: ((WOServerSessionStore)WOApplication.application().sessionStore())._sessions() It will return a dictionary consisting of sessionID -> Session. Not using it though, I'm achieving this myself by using the notifications posted by session management (SessionDidRestoreNotification, SessionDidCreateNotification and SessionDidTimeOutNotification), so I can keep track of more info (like when the session was last touched). Cheers, - hugi > On Apr 26, 2024, at 12:33, OCsite via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Hi there, > > is there a way to enumerate sessions which are alive inside of a > WO/ERXApplication? > > I guess I can create such a list myself, adding new ones in session.awake, > keeping it weak not to prevent old sessions to be destroyed (or perhaps > storing just session IDs), yadda yadda, but it would be much easier and less > error-prone just to use a WO/nder service, if there's one. > > The purpose is that we need to allow an app administrator to list all the > normal users which are currently logged in, and be able to force-logout > selected ones. > > Thanks! > OC > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is > > This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: enumerating sessions?
Off the top of my head? I’d not use sessions for that — I’ve done some bank apps where only one session is allowed and some other stuff, but we avoided relying on or tracking sessions, rather we build a login scheme that tracked this concept specifically and we let session and cookies stuff be. Keep us posted. > On Apr 26, 2024, at 8:33 AM, OCsite via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Hi there, > > is there a way to enumerate sessions which are alive inside of a > WO/ERXApplication? > > I guess I can create such a list myself, adding new ones in session.awake, > keeping it weak not to prevent old sessions to be destroyed (or perhaps > storing just session IDs), yadda yadda, but it would be much easier and less > error-prone just to use a WO/nder service, if there's one. > > The purpose is that we need to allow an app administrator to list all the > normal users which are currently logged in, and be able to force-logout > selected ones. > > Thanks! > OC > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jtayler%40oeinc.com > > This email sent to jtay...@oeinc.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
enumerating sessions?
Hi there, is there a way to enumerate sessions which are alive inside of a WO/ERXApplication? I guess I can create such a list myself, adding new ones in session.awake, keeping it weak not to prevent old sessions to be destroyed (or perhaps storing just session IDs), yadda yadda, but it would be much easier and less error-prone just to use a WO/nder service, if there's one. The purpose is that we need to allow an app administrator to list all the normal users which are currently logged in, and be able to force-logout selected ones. Thanks! OC ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Debug frameworks with maven project
I don't think I've ever had to attach sources of maven projects manually in Eclipse (although I recall hitting something like this in a far past). And given the second problem, it kind of sounds like the link between the app project and the libraries/frameworks is completely broken. Paul's suggestions are good, also, if you close all your projects and then open the main (application) project, does Eclipse offer to open "related projects" and open them for you? Cheers, - hugi > On Apr 16, 2024, at 02:16, Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Hi Samuel, > > On 11 Apr 2024, at 03:45, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > >> I created a new workspace with the latest Eclipse to migrate my project to >> maven. My projects run and I can debug the application code (set breakpoint, >> click on exception stack trace to open project source) but all debug >> functions are not working for frameworks. I set breakpoint in code but >> Eclipse open class from a jar instead of my source. > > I hadn't noticed this before, but you're right. You need to tell Eclipse > where to find the source. See: > > https://stackoverflow.com/a/22934568/18493 > >> Also, I have to restart the app to test for my code change in frameworks >> even with an hot swap enable JRE. Seems Eclipse does not figure out the >> maven dependencies code is in the current workspace. > > This I cannot reproduce. Possible explanations: > > 1. Maven versions have to match precisely, obviously. That is, the version > your application POM is asking for must match the version the project open in > the workspace is providing. > > 2. You have to launch the app using "Debug As...". > > 3. There are certain changes that hot code replacement won't allow, though > these are usually flagged by Eclipse when you try. What type of change were > you making? > > > -- > Paul Hoadley > https://logicsquad.net/ > https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is > > This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Debug frameworks with maven project
Hi Samuel, On 11 Apr 2024, at 03:45, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev wrote: > I created a new workspace with the latest Eclipse to migrate my project to > maven. My projects run and I can debug the application code (set breakpoint, > click on exception stack trace to open project source) but all debug > functions are not working for frameworks. I set breakpoint in code but > Eclipse open class from a jar instead of my source. I hadn't noticed this before, but you're right. You need to tell Eclipse where to find the source. See: https://stackoverflow.com/a/22934568/18493 Eclipse java debugging: source not found stackoverflow.com > Also, I have to restart the app to test for my code change in frameworks even > with an hot swap enable JRE. Seems Eclipse does not figure out the maven > dependencies code is in the current workspace. This I cannot reproduce. Possible explanations: 1. Maven versions have to match precisely, obviously. That is, the version your application POM is asking for must match the version the project open in the workspace is providing. 2. You have to launch the app using "Debug As...". 3. There are certain changes that hot code replacement won't allow, though these are usually flagged by Eclipse when you try. What type of change were you making? -- Paul Hoadley https://logicsquad.net/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Debug frameworks with maven project
Hi Samuel, On 11 Apr 2024, at 3:45 am, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev wrote: > I created a new workspace with the latest Eclipse to migrate my project to > maven. My projects run and I can debug the application code (set breakpoint, > click on exception stack trace to open project source) but all debug > functions are not working for frameworks. I set breakpoint in code but > Eclipse open class from a jar instead of my source. > > Also, I have to restart the app to test for my code change in frameworks even > with an hot swap enable JRE. Seems Eclipse does not figure out the maven > dependencies code is in the current workspace. The first thing you should do is confirm that you've got an exact version match between what your application's POM is asking for and what your framework code in the workspace is showing. I don't recall running into either of these issues, but I'll test it out later in the morning. -- Paul Hoadley https://logicsquad.net/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Debug frameworks with maven project
Hi, I created a new workspace with the latest Eclipse to migrate my project to maven. My projects run and I can debug the application code (set breakpoint, click on exception stack trace to open project source) but all debug functions are not working for frameworks. I set breakpoint in code but Eclipse open class from a jar instead of my source. Also, I have to restart the app to test for my code change in frameworks even with an hot swap enable JRE. Seems Eclipse does not figure out the maven dependencies code is in the current workspace. Is there something I miss here ? Regards, Samuel ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: wolifecycle-maven-plugin configuration options
Hi Samuel Yes. "flattenComponents" is the correct way of doing this. I can't think of a reason not to set this. For migration notes I use https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/3c269a3196d0c4f2da486f1109c16d42 Regards Tim On 7/4/24 06:00, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev wrote: Hi, My journey to Maven is going well, I ported 2 shared frameworks I use on every projects and my first app. There is many subtle details to go pass a "Hello world !" app. My last discovery is a problem with component template in sub directory that are not found when deployed. I always use directories to group components, my app have 10s of them, one with 213... After some digging, I found a configuration in wolifecycle-maven-plugin that resolved this situation. true There are some others options available including flattenResources and readPatternsets with a basic explanation but no real way to know if they are required or desirable and the defaults are disabled. Is my fix is the correct way to use components in sub directory ? Is there a reason to have this option disabled by default and in the new projects templates ? Should I also enable flattenResources and readPatternsets ? BTW, I use the migrations script with few modification from https://github.com/getsharp/womavenmigration. Regards, Samuel ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tim%40triptera.com.au This email sent to t...@triptera.com.au ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
wolifecycle-maven-plugin configuration options
Hi, My journey to Maven is going well, I ported 2 shared frameworks I use on every projects and my first app. There is many subtle details to go pass a "Hello world !" app. My last discovery is a problem with component template in sub directory that are not found when deployed. I always use directories to group components, my app have 10s of them, one with 213... After some digging, I found a configuration in wolifecycle-maven-plugin that resolved this situation. true There are some others options available including flattenResources and readPatternsets with a basic explanation but no real way to know if they are required or desirable and the defaults are disabled. Is my fix is the correct way to use components in sub directory ? Is there a reason to have this option disabled by default and in the new projects templates ? Should I also enable flattenResources and readPatternsets ? BTW, I use the migrations script with few modification from https://github.com/getsharp/womavenmigration. Regards, Samuel ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Java upgrade question
Hi Paul, Thanks, that’s great to hear! There was some concern expressed a while back that it might be impossible to move past Java 8 because of a change to the way classes are loaded. I’m definitely glad that turned out not to be the case! Take care, Mark From: Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev Date: Friday, April 5, 2024 at 4:26 PM To: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com , webobjects-...@wocommunity.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Java upgrade question Hi Mark, On 6 Apr 2024, at 6: 55 am, Morris, Mark via Webobjects-dev wrote: I’ve been trying to research (old messages, Google, etc. ), but I don’t think I’ve found anything definitive. I know at least at Hi Mark, On 6 Apr 2024, at 6:55 am, Morris, Mark via Webobjects-dev mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> wrote: I’ve been trying to research (old messages, Google, etc.), but I don’t think I’ve found anything definitive. I know at least at one point there was an issue migrating past Java 8, due to the way WOnder patches/extends Apple’s frameworks. Has that been resolved or worked around? We would like to totally get rid of Java 8, and move to Java 11 (or 17, or 21…). Plenty of people have moved beyond Java 8. We've been using Java 21 since soon after it was released. About the only thing you'll need to do is add some JVM options in build.properties<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/build.properties__;!!MfzFaTml5A!kVqrmx58oqFRWdQNqzkgLBMqSjN9BNTffYpBV39CThLDnVveU0G69UQ1s-GThu7W_bSsufTI2G1LRfZyhX0cDO0ULtrRVWo$>, such as: jvmOptions=--add-exports java.base/sun.security.action=ALL-UNNAMED --add-exports java.base/sun.util.calendar=ALL-UNNAMED I'm struggling to think of much else that was required. It was certainly an easier transition than I thought it was going to be. -- Paul Hoadley https://logicsquad.net/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/logicsquad.net/__;!!MfzFaTml5A!kVqrmx58oqFRWdQNqzkgLBMqSjN9BNTffYpBV39CThLDnVveU0G69UQ1s-GThu7W_bSsufTI2G1LRfZyhX0cDO0UsW_UjCk$> https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/__;!!MfzFaTml5A!kVqrmx58oqFRWdQNqzkgLBMqSjN9BNTffYpBV39CThLDnVveU0G69UQ1s-GThu7W_bSsufTI2G1LRfZyhX0cDO0Ur76lVjQ$> ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Java upgrade question
Hi Mark, On 6 Apr 2024, at 6:55 am, Morris, Mark via Webobjects-dev wrote: > I’ve been trying to research (old messages, Google, etc.), but I don’t think > I’ve found anything definitive. > > I know at least at one point there was an issue migrating past Java 8, due to > the way WOnder patches/extends Apple’s frameworks. Has that been resolved or > worked around? We would like to totally get rid of Java 8, and move to Java > 11 (or 17, or 21…). Plenty of people have moved beyond Java 8. We've been using Java 21 since soon after it was released. About the only thing you'll need to do is add some JVM options in build.properties, such as: jvmOptions=--add-exports java.base/sun.security.action=ALL-UNNAMED --add-exports java.base/sun.util.calendar=ALL-UNNAMED I'm struggling to think of much else that was required. It was certainly an easier transition than I thought it was going to be. -- Paul Hoadley https://logicsquad.net/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Java upgrade question
Hi all, I’ve been trying to research (old messages, Google, etc.), but I don’t think I’ve found anything definitive. I know at least at one point there was an issue migrating past Java 8, due to the way WOnder patches/extends Apple’s frameworks. Has that been resolved or worked around? We would like to totally get rid of Java 8, and move to Java 11 (or 17, or 21…). Thanks! -- Mark ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Wocommunity wiki
Oh good Theodore Petrosky | IT/Finance Director AgencySacks On 4/4/24, 5:19 PM, "Francois BIENTZ via Webobjects-dev" mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> wrote: Thank you The wiki is back Franc > Le 4 avr. 2024 à 14:31, Francois BIENTZ <mailto:f.bie...@laposte.net>> a écrit : > > Hi All > > Is the wocommunity wiki broken ? > > Franc ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tpetrosky%40agencysacks.com <https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tpetrosky%40agencysacks.com> This email sent to tpetro...@agencysacks.com <mailto:tpetro...@agencysacks.com> ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Wocommunity wiki
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Wocommunity wiki
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Using Git Hub as private CI/CD and Maven repository
Hi, With the maven switch, I understand it is now easier to setup CI/CD and it is also much nicer to have a Maven private repository for internal frameworks and apps. I see that Git Hub now have Actions and Packages that could provide those services even for private repo in free tier. Are this services a good options and is there are some caveats I should know ? If there is a more standard or usual way, I welcome any suggestions. Regards, Samuel ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Maven follow up
Hi Samuel, On 2 Apr 2024, at 08:23, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev wrote: > Why Eclipse always complain about missing nature, the maven stuff is already > there and working, I always click cancel but the prompt comes back from time > to time. Is there a way to get rid of this alert ? As Tim mentioned, you need to have both of these in your .project file: org.maven.ide.eclipse.maven2Nature org.eclipse.m2e.core.maven2Nature The latter is the correct name for the Eclipse "nature". The former is a historical name for the same thing, but unfortunately it's hard-coded in the depths of ERFoundation.jar to determine the bundle format to use at runtime, so you need to include it. Recent versions of Eclipse have started complaining about it, as you noted, but I see you found a way to turn it off. > In the maven pom editor, the search function does not works, even for maven > central libraries... This search seems a time saver tool I would like to use > instead of copy paste from maven central... I've never tried this—can't help. > I ported a frameworks but when I want to use it's component (TimeField here), > I have this error: "Cannot find class or component named 'TimeField" in > runtime or in a loadable bundle" > > BTW, I did "mvn install" to have the framework in my local maven repository > and it's sources are in my current workspace. Hmm... not sure. Make sure the version you've nominated in the application's POM matches the version in the framework POM—otherwise, Eclipse will go looking for a JAR in ~/.m2/repository, though that usually only affects loading WebServerResources in my experience, and you say you've installed the framework JAR anyway. Oh, and I see you've fixed it anyway: On 2 Apr 2024, at 12:40, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev wrote: > Follow up on my component problem, I just found the solution for with my > framework component, it was related to the order of dependencies declaration, > like ant, original WebObjects packages need to be after wonder ERExtensions... > Is there a way inside Eclipse to do mvn install ? I don't know. > I still have not figured out how to build and deploy the app (replace the ant > install and manual rsync to server I actually do) You have some options: 1. Run 'mvn package' locally, then you'll find the usual build products App.woapplication.tar.gz and App.wowebserverresources.tar.gz in the target directory. If your previous process was manual, this gets you to basically the same place as local usage of Ant would. 2. Better, but more complicated: set up your own repository using an app like Artifactory. It takes some one-off work, but you then 'mvn deploy' to that repository, and over on your appserver you can use Artifactory's API to pull down the build products and install them. 3. Even better, but even more complicated: set up CI/buildserver between your Git repo and Artifactory. You push to the Git repo, then your buildserver runs Maven to build, test and deploy to Artifactory. All of this involves quite a bit of work, but on the upside you only need to invest the time once. -- Paul Hoadley https://logicsquad.net/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Maven follow up
Hi Samuel
I suspect it takes a while for eclipse to download the index before
searching will work. I have heard it can be about 6GB.
To build and deploy the app I link my maven to an ant build script. Then
I can install with a command like "mvn clean package -Dinstall_optiplex"
MMddHHmm
${project.artifactId}${maven.build.timestamp}
maven-antrun-plugin
3.1.0
install-actions
package
run
My build.xml looks like
xmlns:if="ant:if" xmlns:unless="ant:unless">
value="/var/lib/webobjects/htdocs/WebObjects" />
value="${remote.host}:Documents/${build.app.name}.woapplication.tar.gz" />
value="${remote.host}:Documents/${build.app.name}.wowebserverresources.tar.gz"
/>
value="${remote.local.root}/${remote.dest.dir}/${build.app.name}.woa" />
On 2/4/24 12:10, Samuel Pelletier wrote:
Tim,
Thank for the reply. I tried the download index on startup but still
no search.
I do not understand the nature thing but found a preference in Eclipse
that disable the annoying dialog : "Automatically detect missing
natures and propose IDE extensions from Marketplace".
Follow up on my component problem, I just found the solution for with
my framework component, it was related to the order of dependencies
declaration, like ant, original WebObjects packages need to be after
wonder ERExtensions...
Is there a way inside Eclipse to do mvn install ?
I still have not figured out how to build and deploy the app (replace
the ant install and manual rsync to server I actually do)
Regards,
Samuel
Le 1 avr. 2024 à 20:32, D Tim Cummings via Webobjects-dev
a écrit :
Hi Samuel
Apparently we need to have the nature
org.maven.ide.eclipse.maven2Nature in our .project file because it is
hard-coded in the original WebObjects. I think we should add into
WOLips that it also needs this nature and then eclipse would stop
complaining that no plugins are referencing this nature.
Unfortunately I don't know enough about eclipse plugin development to
program this.
I don't use search in maven pom editor myself but does this option
help "Download repository index updates on startup"?
I haven't used maven with my own frameworks so can't help you there.
Tim
On 2/4/24 07:53, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev wrote:
Hi all,
Sorry for long time since last message, my maven switch had to be postponed.
I manages to set up the basic and create a frameworks and an app.
I have few questions with my current setup.
Why Eclipse always complain about missing nature, the maven stuff is already
there and working, I always click cancel but the prompt comes back from time to
time. Is there a way to get rid of this alert ?
In the maven pom editor, the search function does not works, even for maven
central libraries... This search seems a time saver tool I would like to use
instead of copy paste from maven central...
I ported a frameworks but when I want to use it's component (TimeField here), I have this
error: "Cannot find class or component named 'TimeField" in runtime or in a loadable
bundle"
BTW, I did "mvn install" to have the framework in my local maven repository and
it's sources are in my current workspace.
Thank in advance for help!
Samuel
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Re: Maven follow up
Tim, Thank for the reply. I tried the download index on startup but still no search. I do not understand the nature thing but found a preference in Eclipse that disable the annoying dialog : "Automatically detect missing natures and propose IDE extensions from Marketplace". Follow up on my component problem, I just found the solution for with my framework component, it was related to the order of dependencies declaration, like ant, original WebObjects packages need to be after wonder ERExtensions... Is there a way inside Eclipse to do mvn install ? I still have not figured out how to build and deploy the app (replace the ant install and manual rsync to server I actually do) Regards, Samuel > Le 1 avr. 2024 à 20:32, D Tim Cummings via Webobjects-dev > a écrit : > > Hi Samuel > > Apparently we need to have the nature org.maven.ide.eclipse.maven2Nature in > our .project file because it is hard-coded in the original WebObjects. I > think we should add into WOLips that it also needs this nature and then > eclipse would stop complaining that no plugins are referencing this nature. > Unfortunately I don't know enough about eclipse plugin development to program > this. > > I don't use search in maven pom editor myself but does this option help > "Download repository index updates on startup"? > > > > > > I haven't used maven with my own frameworks so can't help you there. > > Tim > > > > On 2/4/24 07:53, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Sorry for long time since last message, my maven switch had to be postponed. >> >> I manages to set up the basic and create a frameworks and an app. >> >> I have few questions with my current setup. >> >> Why Eclipse always complain about missing nature, the maven stuff is already >> there and working, I always click cancel but the prompt comes back from time >> to time. Is there a way to get rid of this alert ? >> >> In the maven pom editor, the search function does not works, even for maven >> central libraries... This search seems a time saver tool I would like to use >> instead of copy paste from maven central... >> >> I ported a frameworks but when I want to use it's component (TimeField >> here), I have this error: "Cannot find class or component named 'TimeField" >> in runtime or in a loadable bundle" >> >> BTW, I did "mvn install" to have the framework in my local maven repository >> and it's sources are in my current workspace. >> >> Thank in advance for help! >> >> Samuel >> >> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tim%40triptera.com.au >> >> This email sent to t...@triptera.com.au <mailto:t...@triptera.com.au> > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/samuel%40samkar.com > > This email sent to sam...@samkar.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Maven follow up
Hi Samuel Apparently we need to have the nature org.maven.ide.eclipse.maven2Nature in our .project file because it is hard-coded in the original WebObjects. I think we should add into WOLips that it also needs this nature and then eclipse would stop complaining that no plugins are referencing this nature. Unfortunately I don't know enough about eclipse plugin development to program this. I don't use search in maven pom editor myself but does this option help "Download repository index updates on startup"? I haven't used maven with my own frameworks so can't help you there. Tim On 2/4/24 07:53, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev wrote: Hi all, Sorry for long time since last message, my maven switch had to be postponed. I manages to set up the basic and create a frameworks and an app. I have few questions with my current setup. Why Eclipse always complain about missing nature, the maven stuff is already there and working, I always click cancel but the prompt comes back from time to time. Is there a way to get rid of this alert ? In the maven pom editor, the search function does not works, even for maven central libraries... This search seems a time saver tool I would like to use instead of copy paste from maven central... I ported a frameworks but when I want to use it's component (TimeField here), I have this error: "Cannot find class or component named 'TimeField" in runtime or in a loadable bundle" BTW, I did "mvn install" to have the framework in my local maven repository and it's sources are in my current workspace. Thank in advance for help! Samuel ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tim%40triptera.com.au This email sent to...@triptera.com.au ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Maven follow up
Hi all, Sorry for long time since last message, my maven switch had to be postponed. I manages to set up the basic and create a frameworks and an app. I have few questions with my current setup. Why Eclipse always complain about missing nature, the maven stuff is already there and working, I always click cancel but the prompt comes back from time to time. Is there a way to get rid of this alert ? In the maven pom editor, the search function does not works, even for maven central libraries... This search seems a time saver tool I would like to use instead of copy paste from maven central... I ported a frameworks but when I want to use it's component (TimeField here), I have this error: "Cannot find class or component named 'TimeField" in runtime or in a loadable bundle" BTW, I did "mvn install" to have the framework in my local maven repository and it's sources are in my current workspace. Thank in advance for help! Samuel ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: RDS [was: Re: WOLips Update]
I don’t know the details of how to do that. I have someone that helps me with AWS. I plan to start by installing a local copy of the new MySQL version on my development machine to see if my apps work there. On Mar 18, 2024, at 9:31 AM, Jesse Tayler wrote:sigh.Seems the easiest thing is to set up a new database, migrate data and test wtih a new adaptor?Can you create new RDS alongside the old? Rather than hitting this update button I can just push things over to the new database?On Mar 17, 2024, at 10:55 PM, Steve Peery wrote:MySQL is retiring a major version and AWS is requiring an upgrade. For now they will charge extra to support the retired version if you don’t upgrade. I have some old apps nearing end-of-life. I tried the upgrade and they didn’t work, so I had to revert it all. Total pain. I’m just paying the extra charge for now. The newer version has some minor security change that made it so the old driver could not connect. Definitely make sure your app will work with the major version of MySQL before converting RDS. On Mar 17, 2024, at 9:52 PM, Jesse Tayler wrote:Oh? I figured nobody changed that adaptor since forever ago — Maybe I should download that first before updating?On Mar 17, 2024, at 9:45 PM, Steve Peery wrote:Make sure the MySQL driver in your app is new enough to work with the new version of SQL! I tried to upgrade and my apps would not connect.Steve On Mar 16, 2024, at 9:27 PM, Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev wrote:Hi Jesse,On 17 Mar 2024, at 11:12 am, Jesse Tayler <jtay...@oeinc.com> wrote:I’m upgrading from a rather old MySQL, this is basically a button press and I suppose I should dump the data in case something goes awry but I cannot see why my boring EO Model would have any trouble using an updated version even if the jump is — well, at least like…I dunno - ten years? You mean you're already on RDS and just need to upgrade? I've certainly never encountered any problems, though I'm surprised you could get a decade behind. RDS is more aggressive than that with PostgreSQL, at least, forcing major version updates from time to time. -- Paul Hoadleyhttps://logicsquad.net/https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ ___Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com)Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/speery%40me.comThis email sent to spe...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: RDS [was: Re: WOLips Update]
MySQL is retiring a major version and AWS is requiring an upgrade. For now they will charge extra to support the retired version if you don’t upgrade. I have some old apps nearing end-of-life. I tried the upgrade and they didn’t work, so I had to revert it all. Total pain. I’m just paying the extra charge for now. The newer version has some minor security change that made it so the old driver could not connect. Definitely make sure your app will work with the major version of MySQL before converting RDS. On Mar 17, 2024, at 9:52 PM, Jesse Tayler wrote:Oh? I figured nobody changed that adaptor since forever ago — Maybe I should download that first before updating?On Mar 17, 2024, at 9:45 PM, Steve Peery wrote:Make sure the MySQL driver in your app is new enough to work with the new version of SQL! I tried to upgrade and my apps would not connect.Steve On Mar 16, 2024, at 9:27 PM, Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev wrote:Hi Jesse,On 17 Mar 2024, at 11:12 am, Jesse Tayler <jtay...@oeinc.com> wrote:I’m upgrading from a rather old MySQL, this is basically a button press and I suppose I should dump the data in case something goes awry but I cannot see why my boring EO Model would have any trouble using an updated version even if the jump is — well, at least like…I dunno - ten years? You mean you're already on RDS and just need to upgrade? I've certainly never encountered any problems, though I'm surprised you could get a decade behind. RDS is more aggressive than that with PostgreSQL, at least, forcing major version updates from time to time. -- Paul Hoadleyhttps://logicsquad.net/https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ ___Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com)Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/speery%40me.comThis email sent to spe...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: RDS [was: Re: WOLips Update]
Oh? I figured nobody changed that adaptor since forever ago — Maybe I should download that first before updating? > On Mar 17, 2024, at 9:45 PM, Steve Peery wrote: > > Make sure the MySQL driver in your app is new enough to work with the new > version of SQL! I tried to upgrade and my apps would not connect. > > Steve > >> On Mar 16, 2024, at 9:27 PM, Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev >> wrote: >> >> Hi Jesse, >> >> On 17 Mar 2024, at 11:12 am, Jesse Tayler > <mailto:jtay...@oeinc.com>> wrote: >> >>> I’m upgrading from a rather old MySQL, this is basically a button press and >>> I suppose I should dump the data in case something goes awry but I cannot >>> see why my boring EO Model would have any trouble using an updated version >>> even if the jump is — well, at least like…I dunno - ten years? >> >> You mean you're already on RDS and just need to upgrade? I've certainly >> never encountered any problems, though I'm surprised you could get a decade >> behind. RDS is more aggressive than that with PostgreSQL, at least, forcing >> major version updates from time to time. >> >> >> -- >> Paul Hoadley >> https://logicsquad.net/ >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ >> >> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/speery%40me.com >> >> This email sent to spe...@me.com _______ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: RDS [was: Re: WOLips Update]
Make sure the MySQL driver in your app is new enough to work with the new version of SQL! I tried to upgrade and my apps would not connect.Steve On Mar 16, 2024, at 9:27 PM, Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev wrote:Hi Jesse,On 17 Mar 2024, at 11:12 am, Jesse Tayler <jtay...@oeinc.com> wrote:I’m upgrading from a rather old MySQL, this is basically a button press and I suppose I should dump the data in case something goes awry but I cannot see why my boring EO Model would have any trouble using an updated version even if the jump is — well, at least like…I dunno - ten years? You mean you're already on RDS and just need to upgrade? I've certainly never encountered any problems, though I'm surprised you could get a decade behind. RDS is more aggressive than that with PostgreSQL, at least, forcing major version updates from time to time. -- Paul Hoadleyhttps://logicsquad.net/https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ ___Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com)Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription:https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/speery%40me.comThis email sent to spe...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: RDS [was: Re: WOLips Update]
Hi Jesse, On 17 Mar 2024, at 11:12 am, Jesse Tayler wrote: > I’m upgrading from a rather old MySQL, this is basically a button press and I > suppose I should dump the data in case something goes awry but I cannot see > why my boring EO Model would have any trouble using an updated version even > if the jump is — well, at least like…I dunno - ten years? You mean you're already on RDS and just need to upgrade? I've certainly never encountered any problems, though I'm surprised you could get a decade behind. RDS is more aggressive than that with PostgreSQL, at least, forcing major version updates from time to time. -- Paul Hoadley https://logicsquad.net/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: RDS [was: Re: WOLips Update]
I’m upgrading from a rather old MySQL, this is basically a button press and I suppose I should dump the data in case something goes awry but I cannot see why my boring EO Model would have any trouble using an updated version even if the jump is — well, at least like…I dunno - ten years? The database doesn’t get a lot of touching! But this version is out of date, so I figure people would have reported if there were ever some trouble encountered. > On Mar 16, 2024, at 8:14 PM, Paul Hoadley wrote: > > On 17 Mar 2024, at 1:20 am, Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev > mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> > wrote: > >> Does anyone use RDS on AWS? > > We've been using PostgreSQL on RDS for years. Is there anything you want to > know? > > > -- > Paul Hoadley > https://logicsquad.net/ > https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
RDS [was: Re: WOLips Update]
On 17 Mar 2024, at 1:20 am, Jesse Tayler via Webobjects-dev wrote: > Does anyone use RDS on AWS? We've been using PostgreSQL on RDS for years. Is there anything you want to know? -- Paul Hoadley https://logicsquad.net/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: WOLips Update
Does anyone use RDS on AWS? I’m updating and just figure MySQL will not care about whatever simple EOF stuff I’m using… I’m still on an old Eclipse but it sounds like WOLips is working on the most recent? > On Mar 16, 2024, at 4:28 AM, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > "All" is just Ralf. I opened Eclipse 2024-03 for the first time, only to get > that error. > Within minutes, my mail client said "bing!" and it was a notification about > Ralf's fix PR. > So I tested the fork a bit, worked fine, just merged. So thanks Ralf! Perfect > timing :) > > - hugi > > >> On Mar 15, 2024, at 10:01, Michael Schmiedgen via Webobjects-dev >> wrote: >> >> Hi :) >> >> Wow, that [1] was fast, thank you all! >> >> >> [1] https://github.com/wocommunity/wolips/commits/master/ >> _______ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is >> >> This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jtayler%40oeinc.com > > This email sent to jtay...@oeinc.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: WOLips Update
"All" is just Ralf. I opened Eclipse 2024-03 for the first time, only to get that error. Within minutes, my mail client said "bing!" and it was a notification about Ralf's fix PR. So I tested the fork a bit, worked fine, just merged. So thanks Ralf! Perfect timing :) - hugi > On Mar 15, 2024, at 10:01, Michael Schmiedgen via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Hi :) > > Wow, that [1] was fast, thank you all! > > > [1] https://github.com/wocommunity/wolips/commits/master/ > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is > > This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
WOLips Update
Hi :) Wow, that [1] was fast, thank you all! [1] https://github.com/wocommunity/wolips/commits/master/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Thanks Stefan! (mod_proxy)
Hi Michael, I don’t know the future of mod_WebObjects. Last updates were two years ago but they were fairly significant, fixing a security exploit. Thanks for mentioning MPM-event issues as I wasn’t aware until you mentioned them. Perhaps that is what we were experiencing. To give an update, we got stuck deploying to production environment last night and gave up but we kept looking into it and deployed mod_proxy today and preliminary reports show people are happy. We had missed the part about adding a header: x-webobjects-adaptor-version We had it in staging but overlooked it in production. So if you have a java instance running and direct-connect disabled, you can’t do something like this: curl localhost:9001/cgi-bin/WebObjects/app.woa If you do you’ll get a: (52) Empty reply from server So how would mod_proxy or mod_WebObjects connect to it then? Well they give that header I mentioned above. So you’d need to do this with curl: curl localhost:9001/cgi-bin/WebObjects/app.woa -H 'x-webobjects-adaptor-version: mod_proxy’ You need to have this line in your Apache config files: RequestHeader append x-webobjects-adaptor-version “mod_proxy" While we like this solution we aren’t quite where we want to be yet. Our app shows the instance number as “-1” no matter which app is responding. We know it’s doing round-robin but we don’t have the instance number in the request like WO expects it. Small stuff like that… but the stability and performance improvements are huge. So far so good :-) Thanks everyone, — Aaron > On Mar 8, 2024, at 9:15 AM, Michael Schmiedgen wrote: > > > On 3/8/2024 1:55 AM, Aaron Rosenzweig via Webobjects-dev wrote: >> Thank you Stefan, Johann, and the community for making the switch from >> mod_Webobjects.so adaptor to the built-in Apache mod_proxy module. >> It helped us out this week to dig up Stefan’s 2015 video presentation on >> this topic, utilize the ERXApplication cookie generation, and the migration >> tab in Java Monitor. >> The reason for us to make the switch was because Apache had become unstable. >> It was having numerous segmentation faults. We were using the latest >> available Apache 2.4.x for Amazon Linux along with freshly compiled from >> source WO Adaptor taken from latest WOnder repo. Whenever httpd wet-the-bed, >> we’d lose communication with an app instance. It seems there was no rhyme or >> reason to what was causing it to crash. It did seem that when we downloaded >> user files (passed from disk to web browser through fileInputStreams) that >> we’d be more likely to see a segmentation fault anywhere from 5 to 7 >> request-response loops later (navigating the app, clicking links). File >> sizes ranged from somewhat small like 4 megs up to about 250 megs. >> It was almost as if the WO adaptor was getting corrupted. Apache would give >> errors about unreadable headers that looked like a stream of binary data and >> then shortly after segmentation fault. > > > Some Linux distros do not configure Apache with MPM-prefork anymore > these days. We observed major problems with MPM-event / MPM-multithread > in combination with WO module, including httpd process crashes. We > switched back to prefork and that solved the issue. > > But clearly, mod_proxy seems to be the better option here, we are > looking forward to this. > > Whats the 'official' state of mod_WebObjects? Will it become legacy > or get abandoned? Are there any plans? > > Thank you all, > Michael > > > > -- > ___ > > Michael Schmiedgen, BSc > Senior Software Engineer > > Takwa GmbH > Friedrich-List-Str. 15 > 99096 Erfurt GERMANY > > Tel +49 361 6534096 > Fax +49 361 6534097 > Mail schmied...@takwa.de > Web http://www.takwa.de/ > ___ > > > Amtsgericht Jena HRB 112964 > Geschäftsführung: Ingo Buchholz _______ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Thanks Stefan! (mod_proxy)
On 3/8/2024 1:55 AM, Aaron Rosenzweig via Webobjects-dev wrote: Thank you Stefan, Johann, and the community for making the switch from mod_Webobjects.so adaptor to the built-in Apache mod_proxy module. It helped us out this week to dig up Stefan’s 2015 video presentation on this topic, utilize the ERXApplication cookie generation, and the migration tab in Java Monitor. The reason for us to make the switch was because Apache had become unstable. It was having numerous segmentation faults. We were using the latest available Apache 2.4.x for Amazon Linux along with freshly compiled from source WO Adaptor taken from latest WOnder repo. Whenever httpd wet-the-bed, we’d lose communication with an app instance. It seems there was no rhyme or reason to what was causing it to crash. It did seem that when we downloaded user files (passed from disk to web browser through fileInputStreams) that we’d be more likely to see a segmentation fault anywhere from 5 to 7 request-response loops later (navigating the app, clicking links). File sizes ranged from somewhat small like 4 megs up to about 250 megs. It was almost as if the WO adaptor was getting corrupted. Apache would give errors about unreadable headers that looked like a stream of binary data and then shortly after segmentation fault. Some Linux distros do not configure Apache with MPM-prefork anymore these days. We observed major problems with MPM-event / MPM-multithread in combination with WO module, including httpd process crashes. We switched back to prefork and that solved the issue. But clearly, mod_proxy seems to be the better option here, we are looking forward to this. Whats the 'official' state of mod_WebObjects? Will it become legacy or get abandoned? Are there any plans? Thank you all, Michael -- ___ Michael Schmiedgen, BSc Senior Software Engineer Takwa GmbH Friedrich-List-Str. 15 99096 Erfurt GERMANY Tel +49 361 6534096 Fax +49 361 6534097 Mail schmied...@takwa.de Web http://www.takwa.de/ ___ Amtsgericht Jena HRB 112964 Geschäftsführung: Ingo Buchholz ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Thanks Stefan! (mod_proxy)
Thank you Stefan, Johann, and the community for making the switch from mod_Webobjects.so adaptor to the built-in Apache mod_proxy module. It helped us out this week to dig up Stefan’s 2015 video presentation on this topic, utilize the ERXApplication cookie generation, and the migration tab in Java Monitor. The reason for us to make the switch was because Apache had become unstable. It was having numerous segmentation faults. We were using the latest available Apache 2.4.x for Amazon Linux along with freshly compiled from source WO Adaptor taken from latest WOnder repo. Whenever httpd wet-the-bed, we’d lose communication with an app instance. It seems there was no rhyme or reason to what was causing it to crash. It did seem that when we downloaded user files (passed from disk to web browser through fileInputStreams) that we’d be more likely to see a segmentation fault anywhere from 5 to 7 request-response loops later (navigating the app, clicking links). File sizes ranged from somewhat small like 4 megs up to about 250 megs. It was almost as if the WO adaptor was getting corrupted. Apache would give errors about unreadable headers that looked like a stream of binary data and then shortly after segmentation fault. Tonight we’re going live with mod_proxy. A bit worried but also happy. It’s amazing how much faster file uploads and downloads are. The compiled WebObjects adaptor must have had a small packet size that slowed things down. One thing to note, I believe the ProxyPass key-value pair of "nofailover=On” actually should be set to “Off” — I read the Apache documentation of what it’s supposed to do and I think the documentation is wrong. When we cut-and-pasted the migration from the last tab in JavaMonitor it said “On” which seemed right until we tested it. When app instances go down you won’t get re-routed to another good instance with “On” it must be “Off.” To round-robin, I needed to clear the cookie completely before refreshing the browser. I guess there’s no way around that. Users will have semi-permanent affinity with a particular app instance. New users get a true round-robin instance. Actually we go through phased deployments every week so people will have semi-permanent instance affinity for one week :-) This is a smart solution. Feels good to drop the mod_WebObjects.so and probably can drop wotaskd too. Less is more. And what’s left is better tested and easy to upgrade to Apache 2.6 (whenever that is). Hugs and chest bumps all around. Thank you all, — Aaron ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: loooong saveChanges prep-stage
I'm not sure where the OSC locking and unlocking happens off the top of my head, but if it's waiting on a lock, it could still be the database. You can set up database monitoring on cpu/ram/io just to rule that out as a culprit. Otherwise, if it is your app, you might find the problem running your app through a profiler. Also, you can check to see if your app is not returning stats on javamonitor. That usually indicates a deadlock. If you're running multiple instances, you could be failing over to a new instance after a timeout due to the instance being deadlocked. If you see your instances deadlocking, you can configure jmx and then use something like jstat to detect where your deadlock is happening. It was a bit of a pain setting that up on my prod apps, but it was definitely worth it. You can see all kinds of useful info on your running prod apps and find problems you didn't even know you had. Also, set up monitoring on your app server. It might just be you're being hammered by a botnet and that's bogging down all your network IO you use for your DB. Or you could have a rouge application eating all your app server cpu. Whenever you're stuck, just set up more and more monitoring. :) It's never a waste of time, and you can often find your problem that way. From: OCsite Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 7:39 PM To: OCsite via Webobjects-dev Cc: Jérémy DE ROYER ; Ramsey Gurley Subject: Re: lng saveChanges prep-stage You don't often get email from o...@ocs.cz. Learn why this is important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> Thanks again! Though I do not really think the database would be the culprit. Does actually EOF do anything with the DB when saving changes before DatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextWillPerformAdaptorOperations is called? I might be wrong as so often, but I don't think so; I believe it contacts the DB for the first time only after that. Thanks and all the best, OC On 1. 2. 2024, at 6:12, Ramsey Gurley wrote: Are you hosting your database? If so, don't rule out a problem outside your application and in your database. It could be low memory. If you can't fit all the tables/indexes into memory, you fall off a performance cliff by going to disk. It could also be an antivirus scanner that kicked off on your DB's data directory. Once it starts scanning and locking files, it can ruin performance. If you can catch it during these slow periods, ssh into the box and check with top and iostat. Look for something on the machine tying up resources. It could be a poorly tuned database too, your box has plenty of memory, but your database isn't configured correctly to use it. For example, if you're using Postgres: https://pgtune.leopard.in.ua/ It could even be below your database config and in your OS config. On linux, it's highly dependent on which file system you are using (ext4, btrfs, xfs, etc), but maybe you have insufficent read-ahead, or some other filesystem setting. Even if you're not using Postgres, you should probably get a copy of Postgresql High Performance and read the first few chapters which covers hardware tuning below the database. It could also be your database is busy reindexing or freeing up table space. On postgres, vacuuming and reindexing can lock tables until the job is done. This can take several minutes or more depending on the size of your table. It could be the autovacuum doing it. If you're not vacuuming/reindexing, that can hurt your performance too, since indexes will grow to exceed your available memory and drop you off the performance cliff. You can do the maintenance and get around the locking problems using something like pg_repack. From: OCsite Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 7:59 PM To: OCsite via Webobjects-dev Cc: Jérémy DE ROYER ; Ramsey Gurley Subject: Re: lng saveChanges prep-stage You don't often get email from o...@ocs.cz. Learn why this is important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> Thanks, guys! I am pretty sure though the problem can't be a background process either reading for a long time or saving for a long time, for I do use the ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace logs and through DatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextWillPerformAdaptorOperations I log each save — and there's nothing like that in the log in the vicinity of those long saveChanges, alas. Thus the culprit must be something else. Perhaps indeed something locks the OSC pretty often and for a long time, but that something is neither a long SELECT which would log through ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace, nor another unrelated save, which would log through DatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextWillPerformAdaptorOperations. Besides, it does not really feel like OSC locks caused by another thread. Meantime, I've rigged an awk script to compute how long each saveChanges takes, and it looks like this: - for a lo
Re: loooong saveChanges prep-stage
Thanks again! Though I do not really think the database would be the culprit. Does actually EOF do anything with the DB when saving changes before DatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextWillPerformAdaptorOperations is called? I might be wrong as so often, but I don't think so; I believe it contacts the DB for the first time only after that. Thanks and all the best, OC > On 1. 2. 2024, at 6:12, Ramsey Gurley wrote: > > Are you hosting your database? If so, don't rule out a problem outside your > application and in your database. It could be low memory. If you can't fit > all the tables/indexes into memory, you fall off a performance cliff by going > to disk. It could also be an antivirus scanner that kicked off on your DB's > data directory. Once it starts scanning and locking files, it can ruin > performance. If you can catch it during these slow periods, ssh into the box > and check with top and iostat. Look for something on the machine tying up > resources. It could be a poorly tuned database too, your box has plenty of > memory, but your database isn't configured correctly to use it. For example, > if you're using Postgres: > https://pgtune.leopard.in.ua/ > > It could even be below your database config and in your OS config. On linux, > it's highly dependent on which file system you are using (ext4, btrfs, xfs, > etc), but maybe you have insufficent read-ahead, or some other filesystem > setting. Even if you're not using Postgres, you should probably get a copy of > Postgresql High Performance and read the first few chapters which covers > hardware tuning below the database. > > It could also be your database is busy reindexing or freeing up table space. > On postgres, vacuuming and reindexing can lock tables until the job is done. > This can take several minutes or more depending on the size of your table. It > could be the autovacuum doing it. If you're not vacuuming/reindexing, that > can hurt your performance too, since indexes will grow to exceed your > available memory and drop you off the performance cliff. You can do the > maintenance and get around the locking problems using something like > pg_repack. > From: OCsite > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 7:59 PM > To: OCsite via Webobjects-dev > Cc: Jérémy DE ROYER ; Ramsey Gurley > > Subject: Re: lng saveChanges prep-stage > > You don't often get email from o...@ocs.cz. Learn why this is important > <https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> > Thanks, guys! > > I am pretty sure though the problem can't be a background process either > reading for a long time or saving for a long time, for I do use the > ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace logs and through > DatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextWillPerformAdaptorOperations I log > each save — and there's nothing like that in the log in the vicinity of those > long saveChanges, alas. Thus the culprit must be something else. > > Perhaps indeed something locks the OSC pretty often and for a long time, but > that something is neither a long SELECT which would log through > ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace, nor another unrelated save, which would log > through DatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextWillPerformAdaptorOperations. > > Besides, it does not really feel like OSC locks caused by another thread. > Meantime, I've rigged an awk script to compute how long each saveChanges > takes, and it looks like this: > - for a long time, all is OK > - when the save times begin to grow, they keep consistently long (e.g., about > 30 s each, or about 50 s each) for each save for awhile (a quarter or half an > hour), before things get back to normal > > If another thread locked OSC, it would most probably mean some saveChanges > would be long, but some quick; it does not seem probable a background thread > would consistently keep OSC locked so that each saveChanges takes roughly the > same (long) time. > > This rather feels by something at the beginning of saveChanges becomes slow. > This would most probably happen under the OSC lock, and given the way it > works, does not seem really plausible that it is simply waiting to acquire > the lock itself. > > For the moment, I'm rather outta ideas :( > > Thanks again and all the best, > OC > Confidentiality Notice: This email, including all attachments and replies > thereto, are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. > Sections 2510-2521 and are legally privileged. This information is > confidential, and intended only for the use of the individuals or entities > named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in > rel
Re: loooong saveChanges prep-stage
Are you hosting your database? If so, don't rule out a problem outside your application and in your database. It could be low memory. If you can't fit all the tables/indexes into memory, you fall off a performance cliff by going to disk. It could also be an antivirus scanner that kicked off on your DB's data directory. Once it starts scanning and locking files, it can ruin performance. If you can catch it during these slow periods, ssh into the box and check with top and iostat. Look for something on the machine tying up resources. It could be a poorly tuned database too, your box has plenty of memory, but your database isn't configured correctly to use it. For example, if you're using Postgres: https://pgtune.leopard.in.ua/ It could even be below your database config and in your OS config. On linux, it's highly dependent on which file system you are using (ext4, btrfs, xfs, etc), but maybe you have insufficent read-ahead, or some other filesystem setting. Even if you're not using Postgres, you should probably get a copy of Postgresql High Performance and read the first few chapters which covers hardware tuning below the database. It could also be your database is busy reindexing or freeing up table space. On postgres, vacuuming and reindexing can lock tables until the job is done. This can take several minutes or more depending on the size of your table. It could be the autovacuum doing it. If you're not vacuuming/reindexing, that can hurt your performance too, since indexes will grow to exceed your available memory and drop you off the performance cliff. You can do the maintenance and get around the locking problems using something like pg_repack. From: OCsite Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 7:59 PM To: OCsite via Webobjects-dev Cc: Jérémy DE ROYER ; Ramsey Gurley Subject: Re: lng saveChanges prep-stage You don't often get email from o...@ocs.cz. Learn why this is important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> Thanks, guys! I am pretty sure though the problem can't be a background process either reading for a long time or saving for a long time, for I do use the ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace logs and through DatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextWillPerformAdaptorOperations I log each save — and there's nothing like that in the log in the vicinity of those long saveChanges, alas. Thus the culprit must be something else. Perhaps indeed something locks the OSC pretty often and for a long time, but that something is neither a long SELECT which would log through ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace, nor another unrelated save, which would log through DatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextWillPerformAdaptorOperations. Besides, it does not really feel like OSC locks caused by another thread. Meantime, I've rigged an awk script to compute how long each saveChanges takes, and it looks like this: - for a long time, all is OK - when the save times begin to grow, they keep consistently long (e.g., about 30 s each, or about 50 s each) for each save for awhile (a quarter or half an hour), before things get back to normal If another thread locked OSC, it would most probably mean some saveChanges would be long, but some quick; it does not seem probable a background thread would consistently keep OSC locked so that each saveChanges takes roughly the same (long) time. This rather feels by something at the beginning of saveChanges becomes slow. This would most probably happen under the OSC lock, and given the way it works, does not seem really plausible that it is simply waiting to acquire the lock itself. For the moment, I'm rather outta ideas :( Thanks again and all the best, OC Confidentiality Notice: This email, including all attachments and replies thereto, are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sections 2510-2521 and are legally privileged. This information is confidential, and intended only for the use of the individuals or entities named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this transmitted information is strictly prohibited. Please notify us if you have received this transmission in error. Thank you. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: loooong saveChanges prep-stage
Check your "willUpdate()" logic and similar things such as "didUpdate()". It may be doing lots of calculations in certain situations that is almost but not quite an infinite loop. On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 5:59 AM OCsite via Webobjects-dev < webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote: > Thanks, guys! > > I am pretty sure though the problem can't be a background process either > reading for a long time or saving for a long time, for I do use the > *ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace* logs and through > *DatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextWillPerformAdaptorOperations* I > log each save — and there's nothing like that in the log in the vicinity of > those long *saveChanges*, alas. Thus the culprit must be something else. > > Perhaps indeed *something* locks the OSC pretty often and for a long > time, but that something is neither a long *SELECT* which would log > through *ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace*, nor another unrelated save, > which would log through > *DatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextWillPerformAdaptorOperations*. > > Besides, it does not really feel like OSC locks caused by another thread. > Meantime, I've rigged an awk script to compute how long each *saveChanges* > takes, > and it looks like this: > - for a long time, all is OK > - when the save times begin to grow, they keep consistently long (e.g., > about 30 s each, or about 50 s each) for each save for awhile (a quarter or > half an hour), before things get back to normal > > If another thread locked OSC, it would most probably mean some > *saveChanges* would be long, but some quick; it does not seem probable a > background thread would *consistently* keep OSC locked so that *each* > *saveChanges* takes roughly the same (long) time. > > This rather feels by something at the beginning of *saveChanges* becomes > slow. This would most probably happen under the OSC lock, and given the way > it works, does not seem really plausible that it is simply waiting to > acquire the lock itself. > > For the moment, I'm rather outta ideas :( > > Thanks again and all the best, > OC > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/aaron%40chatnbike.com > > This email sent to aa...@chatnbike.com > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: loooong saveChanges prep-stage
Thanks, guys! I am pretty sure though the problem can't be a background process either reading for a long time or saving for a long time, for I do use the ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace logs and through DatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextWillPerformAdaptorOperations I log each save — and there's nothing like that in the log in the vicinity of those long saveChanges, alas. Thus the culprit must be something else. Perhaps indeed something locks the OSC pretty often and for a long time, but that something is neither a long SELECT which would log through ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace, nor another unrelated save, which would log through DatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextWillPerformAdaptorOperations. Besides, it does not really feel like OSC locks caused by another thread. Meantime, I've rigged an awk script to compute how long each saveChanges takes, and it looks like this: - for a long time, all is OK - when the save times begin to grow, they keep consistently long (e.g., about 30 s each, or about 50 s each) for each save for awhile (a quarter or half an hour), before things get back to normal If another thread locked OSC, it would most probably mean some saveChanges would be long, but some quick; it does not seem probable a background thread would consistently keep OSC locked so that each saveChanges takes roughly the same (long) time. This rather feels by something at the beginning of saveChanges becomes slow. This would most probably happen under the OSC lock, and given the way it works, does not seem really plausible that it is simply waiting to acquire the lock itself. For the moment, I'm rather outta ideas :( Thanks again and all the best, OC ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: loooong saveChanges prep-stage
Hi, That’s why for big or background processes, I create dedicated ObjectStoreCoordinator using : ERXObjectStoreCoordinator _tmpObjectStoreCoordinator = new ERXObjectStoreCoordinator(true); WOSession _localSession = new WOSession(_tmpObjectStoreCoordinator); _localSession.setSelectedUtilisateur(_localSession.getUtilisateurSystem()); _localSession.defaultEditingContext().setUndoManager(null); _localSession.defaultEditingContext().lock(); and opening with : _localSession.defaultEditingContext().unlock(); _localSession.defaultEditingContext().dispose(); _localSession.terminate(); _tmpObjectStoreCoordinator.dispose(); It’s perfect for analysis and export ; for updates, don’t forget to refresh updated objects in DefaultEOObjectStore Have a nice day, Jérémy Le 30 janv. 2024 à 17:27, OCsite via Webobjects-dev a écrit : Hi guys, I've got logs from one of our installations with a pretty weird problem. We just happen to log immediately before ec.saveChanges() gets called; and we happen to have a DatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextWillPerformAdaptorOperations, which logs out soon as it is called. In this one log, the delay betw. those two logs — ie., the time saveChanges spends before the delegate method is called — repeatedly grows up to almost a minute (!) After some time the problem disappears and saving works normally; and then it occurs again. There's no other log around (most other threads wait on the OSC lock anyway), and with our app it so happens there's only one item in the adaptor op array to be inserted or updated. Once or twice there even has been nothing to save at all (ie., no changes in the EC when saveChanges was called), but even so, saveChanges took almost a minute before it returned. Can't be 100 % sure, but most probably, it was the very same problem; it is highly probable thus it does not depend on the enterprise objects being saved, but on something else. It never happened in any other installation of the same application, including my development one and our test one. Have you ever bumped into something like that? Any idea what might be the culprit and how to hunt the bug? Thanks a lot, OC ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jeremy.deroyer%40ingencys.net This email sent to jeremy.dero...@ingencys.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: loooong saveChanges prep-stage
Since by default WO uses a single ObjectStoreCoordinator/db connection, if you have concurrent request handling enabled, a long running query on one session can impact the time spent on other queries. If you want to see if this is your problem, you can log all your database activity everywhere with a few properties. # ERExtensions # Transaction - Switching this to debug will start the sql ouputting. log4j.logger.er.transaction.adaptor.EOAdaptorDebugEnabled=INFO ## Enable delegate to emit SQL debugging info. The Logger used is ## log4j.category.er.extensions.ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.sqlLogging er.extensions.ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.enabled=true ## How long a statement must run to cause a log message. Messages with longer than ## error also emit a stack-trace er.extensions.ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace.milliSeconds.debug=0 er.extensions.ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace.milliSeconds.info=100 er.extensions.ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace.milliSeconds.warn=2000 er.extensions.ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace.milliSeconds.error=15000 ## MaxLength of the message er.extensions.ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace.maxLength = 3000 ## What entities to watch er.extensions.ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.trace.entityMatchPattern = .* ## Actually set the log level log4j.logger.er.extensions.ERXAdaptorChannelDelegate.sqlLogging=info From: OCsite via Webobjects-dev Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 1:27 AM To: OCsite via Webobjects-dev Subject: lng saveChanges prep-stage Hi guys, I've got logs from one of our installations with a pretty weird problem. We just happen to log immediately before ec.saveChanges() gets called; and we happen to have a DatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextWillPerformAdaptorOperations, which logs out soon as it is called. In this one log, the delay betw. those two logs — ie., the time saveChanges spends before the delegate method is called — repeatedly grows up to almost a minute (!) After some time the problem disappears and saving works normally; and then it occurs again. There's no other log around (most other threads wait on the OSC lock anyway), and with our app it so happens there's only one item in the adaptor op array to be inserted or updated. Once or twice there even has been nothing to save at all (ie., no changes in the EC when saveChanges was called), but even so, saveChanges took almost a minute before it returned. Can't be 100 % sure, but most probably, it was the very same problem; it is highly probable thus it does not depend on the enterprise objects being saved, but on something else. It never happened in any other installation of the same application, including my development one and our test one. Have you ever bumped into something like that? Any idea what might be the culprit and how to hunt the bug? Thanks a lot, OC Confidentiality Notice: This email, including all attachments and replies thereto, are covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sections 2510-2521 and are legally privileged. This information is confidential, and intended only for the use of the individuals or entities named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this transmitted information is strictly prohibited. Please notify us if you have received this transmission in error. Thank you. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
loooong saveChanges prep-stage
Hi guys, I've got logs from one of our installations with a pretty weird problem. We just happen to log immediately before ec.saveChanges() gets called; and we happen to have a DatabaseContextDelegate.databaseContextWillPerformAdaptorOperations, which logs out soon as it is called. In this one log, the delay betw. those two logs — ie., the time saveChanges spends before the delegate method is called — repeatedly grows up to almost a minute (!) After some time the problem disappears and saving works normally; and then it occurs again. There's no other log around (most other threads wait on the OSC lock anyway), and with our app it so happens there's only one item in the adaptor op array to be inserted or updated. Once or twice there even has been nothing to save at all (ie., no changes in the EC when saveChanges was called), but even so, saveChanges took almost a minute before it returned. Can't be 100 % sure, but most probably, it was the very same problem; it is highly probable thus it does not depend on the enterprise objects being saved, but on something else. It never happened in any other installation of the same application, including my development one and our test one. Have you ever bumped into something like that? Any idea what might be the culprit and how to hunt the bug? Thanks a lot, OC ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Zoom session on Maven????
there was interest in some sort of a zoom session on working with maven. is there any continued interest? ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Maven "Quick Start" [was: Re: Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?]
Is the xWiki down? https://wiki.wocommunity.org/ I can’t get on! Ted > On Dec 25, 2023, at 03:30, Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > On 25 Dec 2023, at 08:38, Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev > mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> > wrote: > >> Hugi and I will fix the documentation on the Wiki. Going from zero to Hello >> World should take anyone about 10 minutes (modulo some artefact download >> time). Converting an existing project might take 20 minutes. > > I've just updated the Maven "Quick Start" page here: > > https://wiki.wocommunity.org/xwiki/bin/view/WOL/Home/WOProject-Maven/Quick%20Start/ > > It's a re-write from scratch: some of the existing information was helpful 10 > years ago, but a lot of it was stale and fragmented. I've tested it myself, > and it should work. My claim is that even a non-Mavenite should be able to go > from zero to Maven-Hello-World in about 10 minutes. Please try it out, > especially the New-Mavenites and Maven-Curious: > > * Does it work from start to finish? If not, let me know where it failed and > I'll fix it. > * How long did it take? > > > -- > Paul Hoadley > https://logicsquad.net/ > https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ > > _______ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tedpet5%40yahoo.com > > This email sent to tedp...@yahoo.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Maven "Quick Start" [was: Re: Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?]
On 25 Dec 2023, at 08:38, Paul Hoadley via Webobjects-dev wrote: > Hugi and I will fix the documentation on the Wiki. Going from zero to Hello > World should take anyone about 10 minutes (modulo some artefact download > time). Converting an existing project might take 20 minutes. I've just updated the Maven "Quick Start" page here: https://wiki.wocommunity.org/xwiki/bin/view/WOL/Home/WOProject-Maven/Quick%20Start/ <https://wiki.wocommunity.org/xwiki/bin/view/WOL/Home/WOProject-Maven/Quick%20Start/> It's a re-write from scratch: some of the existing information was helpful 10 years ago, but a lot of it was stale and fragmented. I've tested it myself, and it should work. My claim is that even a non-Mavenite should be able to go from zero to Maven-Hello-World in about 10 minutes. Please try it out, especially the New-Mavenites and Maven-Curious: * Does it work from start to finish? If not, let me know where it failed and I'll fix it. * How long did it take? -- Paul Hoadley https://logicsquad.net/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?
Hi everyone, On 24 Dec 2023, at 2:14 am, Hugi Thordarson via Webobjects-dev wrote: > Samuel; the maven info on the WOCommunity wiki is very outdated, to the point > that I think a lot of it should just be deleted and replaced with more modern > info. I've been kind of shy to do that (i.e. fudging around with other > peoples' hard work), but it's probably time to just … do it? I'm excited to > play around with that new wiki software Maik has set up! It is definitely time to just do it. > In the last couple of years, I've put my guides into gists, so here are a > couple; one showing how to do a fresh setup of a WO maven development > environment, and another one showing how to port an existing Fluffy Bunny > project to maven (which Paul has also added to): > > https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/d2ba6da9e4942f4ece95d7a721159cd1 > <https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/d2ba6da9e4942f4ece95d7a721159cd1> > https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/3c269a3196d0c4f2da486f1109c16d42 > <https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/3c269a3196d0c4f2da486f1109c16d42> This is mine: https://gist.github.com/paulhoadley/cd15b90c94eb8c640fddd9ac3fbbc6dc I really don't know whose is better or more current, or even why I forked Hugi's in the first place. On Dec 21, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev wrote: > If you managed to create a new project, you where able to go far beyond my > achievements ! > > I tried to switch to maven few times in the last years and just gave up each > time after few hours and never managed to create a new project without error > that build ever after reading and trying to understand the 3-4 page on the > subject I found. > > If someone familiar with the matter can create or update an existing page > with a step by step procedure starting from a totally clean user account, it > would be great. > > Creating new Wonder project would be sufficient but also having some > instructions to migrate a project using an BusinessLogic framework would be a > dream. This is disappointing to hear—we should have been able to get Samuel over the line. It's not hard at all—we get even non-Java people to set up WebObjects projects from time to time. Hugi and I will fix the documentation on the Wiki. Going from zero to Hello World should take anyone about 10 minutes (modulo some artefact download time). Converting an existing project might take 20 minutes. -- Paul Hoadley https://logicsquad.net/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ _______ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?
Samuel, I found this really worked as written and it is great! If you want to schedule a TeamViewer session to work with someone that just got it working, let me know. I am hanging around with nothing to do…… Ted > https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/d2ba6da9e4942f4ece95d7a721159cd1 > On Dec 23, 2023, at 10:44, Hugi Thordarson wrote: > > Hi guys, > just seeing this now, sorry! The whole family apart from me decided to go > sick last week, so I've assumed the duties of shopping, wrapping and > otherwise preparing the holidays alongside work :). > > But I like Ted's idea of "sharing the love". If there's interest, I'd love to > have an open online session to introduce maven and help with transition where > required. However, I'll have very little free time for maven stuff until > after new years' eve, since in the next few days, I'll need to catch up on > work while keeping the family alive. But Ted, I'm certainly free for some > quick help — hit me up on Slack! > > Samuel; the maven info on the WOCommunity wiki is very outdated, to the point > that I think a lot of it should just be deleted and replaced with more modern > info. I've been kind of shy to do that (i.e. fudging around with other > peoples' hard work), but it's probably time to just … do it? I'm excited to > play around with that new wiki software Maik has set up! > > In the last couple of years, I've put my guides into gists, so here are a > couple; one showing how to do a fresh setup of a WO maven development > environment, and another one showing how to port an existing Fluffy Bunny > project to maven (which Paul has also added to): > > https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/d2ba6da9e4942f4ece95d7a721159cd1 > https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/3c269a3196d0c4f2da486f1109c16d42 > > Merry christmas to you all! > - hugi > > >> On Dec 21, 2023, at 15:21, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev >> wrote: >> >> Samuel, >> >> Hugi and I had a session and he showed me what to do. I can create a new >> Wonder app as well as a D2W app with maven. >> >> I am trying to reconnect with him and when I do, we can do a Zoom meeting >> and invite anyone that is interested. >> >> Are you interested in joining this session? >> >> Ted >> >>> On Dec 21, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> If you managed to create a new project, you where able to go far beyond my >>> achievements ! >>> >>> I tried to switch to maven few times in the last years and just gave up >>> each time after few hours and never managed to create a new project without >>> error that build ever after reading and trying to understand the 3-4 page >>> on the subject I found. >>> >>> If someone familiar with the matter can create or update an existing page >>> with a step by step procedure starting from a totally clean user account, >>> it would be great. >>> >>> Creating new Wonder project would be sufficient but also having some >>> instructions to migrate a project using an BusinessLogic framework would be >>> a dream. >>> >>> Merry Christmas to everyone on the list, >>> >>> Samuel >>> >>> >>>> Le 20 déc. 2023 à 20:34, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev >>>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> a >>>> écrit : >>>> >>>> Is there any interest in a Zoom meeting to discuss maven. I really don’t >>>> care about the technology Hugi and I worked out TeamViewer (my office has >>>> an account so there is no time limit) >>>> >>>> Hugi are the documents you shared with me available on the WOCommunity >>>> xWiki? I did have some problems converting my app. New D2W projects run. >>>> >>>> How can we get together again? >>>> >>>> Ted >>>> >>>> I have a Zoom account, and TeamViewer. >>>> ___ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/samuel%40samkar.com >>>> >>>> This email sent to sam...@samkar.com <mailto:sam...@samkar.com> >>> >>> ___
Re: Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?
Hi guys, just seeing this now, sorry! The whole family apart from me decided to go sick last week, so I've assumed the duties of shopping, wrapping and otherwise preparing the holidays alongside work :). But I like Ted's idea of "sharing the love". If there's interest, I'd love to have an open online session to introduce maven and help with transition where required. However, I'll have very little free time for maven stuff until after new years' eve, since in the next few days, I'll need to catch up on work while keeping the family alive. But Ted, I'm certainly free for some quick help — hit me up on Slack! Samuel; the maven info on the WOCommunity wiki is very outdated, to the point that I think a lot of it should just be deleted and replaced with more modern info. I've been kind of shy to do that (i.e. fudging around with other peoples' hard work), but it's probably time to just … do it? I'm excited to play around with that new wiki software Maik has set up! In the last couple of years, I've put my guides into gists, so here are a couple; one showing how to do a fresh setup of a WO maven development environment, and another one showing how to port an existing Fluffy Bunny project to maven (which Paul has also added to): https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/d2ba6da9e4942f4ece95d7a721159cd1 https://gist.github.com/hugithordarson/3c269a3196d0c4f2da486f1109c16d42 Merry christmas to you all! - hugi > On Dec 21, 2023, at 15:21, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Samuel, > > Hugi and I had a session and he showed me what to do. I can create a new > Wonder app as well as a D2W app with maven. > > I am trying to reconnect with him and when I do, we can do a Zoom meeting and > invite anyone that is interested. > > Are you interested in joining this session? > > Ted > >> On Dec 21, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> If you managed to create a new project, you where able to go far beyond my >> achievements ! >> >> I tried to switch to maven few times in the last years and just gave up each >> time after few hours and never managed to create a new project without error >> that build ever after reading and trying to understand the 3-4 page on the >> subject I found. >> >> If someone familiar with the matter can create or update an existing page >> with a step by step procedure starting from a totally clean user account, it >> would be great. >> >> Creating new Wonder project would be sufficient but also having some >> instructions to migrate a project using an BusinessLogic framework would be >> a dream. >> >> Merry Christmas to everyone on the list, >> >> Samuel >> >> >>> Le 20 déc. 2023 à 20:34, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev >>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> a >>> écrit : >>> >>> Is there any interest in a Zoom meeting to discuss maven. I really don’t >>> care about the technology Hugi and I worked out TeamViewer (my office has >>> an account so there is no time limit) >>> >>> Hugi are the documents you shared with me available on the WOCommunity >>> xWiki? I did have some problems converting my app. New D2W projects run. >>> >>> How can we get together again? >>> >>> Ted >>> >>> I have a Zoom account, and TeamViewer. >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/samuel%40samkar.com >>> >>> This email sent to sam...@samkar.com <mailto:sam...@samkar.com> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tedpet5%40yahoo.com >> >> This email sent to tedp...@yahoo.com <mailto:tedp...@yahoo.com> > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/hugi%40karlmenn.is > > This email sent to h...@karlmenn.is ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?
Samuel, Hugi and I had a session and he showed me what to do. I can create a new Wonder app as well as a D2W app with maven. I am trying to reconnect with him and when I do, we can do a Zoom meeting and invite anyone that is interested. Are you interested in joining this session? Ted > On Dec 21, 2023, at 7:14 AM, Samuel Pelletier via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Hi, > > If you managed to create a new project, you where able to go far beyond my > achievements ! > > I tried to switch to maven few times in the last years and just gave up each > time after few hours and never managed to create a new project without error > that build ever after reading and trying to understand the 3-4 page on the > subject I found. > > If someone familiar with the matter can create or update an existing page > with a step by step procedure starting from a totally clean user account, it > would be great. > > Creating new Wonder project would be sufficient but also having some > instructions to migrate a project using an BusinessLogic framework would be a > dream. > > Merry Christmas to everyone on the list, > > Samuel > > >> Le 20 déc. 2023 à 20:34, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev >> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> a >> écrit : >> >> Is there any interest in a Zoom meeting to discuss maven. I really don’t >> care about the technology Hugi and I worked out TeamViewer (my office has an >> account so there is no time limit) >> >> Hugi are the documents you shared with me available on the WOCommunity >> xWiki? I did have some problems converting my app. New D2W projects run. >> >> How can we get together again? >> >> Ted >> >> I have a Zoom account, and TeamViewer. >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/samuel%40samkar.com >> >> This email sent to sam...@samkar.com <mailto:sam...@samkar.com> > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com > <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tedpet5%40yahoo.com > > This email sent to tedp...@yahoo.com <mailto:tedp...@yahoo.com> ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?
Hi, If you managed to create a new project, you where able to go far beyond my achievements ! I tried to switch to maven few times in the last years and just gave up each time after few hours and never managed to create a new project without error that build ever after reading and trying to understand the 3-4 page on the subject I found. If someone familiar with the matter can create or update an existing page with a step by step procedure starting from a totally clean user account, it would be great. Creating new Wonder project would be sufficient but also having some instructions to migrate a project using an BusinessLogic framework would be a dream. Merry Christmas to everyone on the list, Samuel > Le 20 déc. 2023 à 20:34, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev > a écrit : > > Is there any interest in a Zoom meeting to discuss maven. I really don’t care > about the technology Hugi and I worked out TeamViewer (my office has an > account so there is no time limit) > > Hugi are the documents you shared with me available on the WOCommunity xWiki? > I did have some problems converting my app. New D2W projects run. > > How can we get together again? > > Ted > > I have a Zoom account, and TeamViewer. > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/samuel%40samkar.com > > This email sent to sam...@samkar.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Meetup maybe? Or call me maybe?
Is there any interest in a Zoom meeting to discuss maven. I really don’t care about the technology Hugi and I worked out TeamViewer (my office has an account so there is no time limit) Hugi are the documents you shared with me available on the WOCommunity xWiki? I did have some problems converting my app. New D2W projects run. How can we get together again? Ted I have a Zoom account, and TeamViewer. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: New Install On Sonoma 4.1.2
Hi Theodore, I’m still using eclipse 2023-03 because there were errors using greater versions. I don’t know if these errors has been fixed since. Jérémy > Le 9 déc. 2023 à 13:37, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev > a écrit : > > > I have a new computer with Sonoma 14.1.2 Eclipse Version: 2023-09 (4.29.0) > Build id: 20230907-1323 > > I created a new Wonder App and tried to debug it by selecting the > application.java and right clicking to debug a WOApplication > > it crashes with this error: > > > java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke > "er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.getIsTerminating()" because the > return value of "er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.erxApplication()" is > null > at er.extensions.appserver.ERXShutdownHook$1.run(ERXShutdownHook.java:64) > > I need some help here!!! > _______ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jeremy.deroyer%40ingencys.net > > This email sent to jeremy.dero...@ingencys.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
New Install On Sonoma 4.1.2
I have a new computer with Sonoma 14.1.2 Eclipse Version: 2023-09 (4.29.0) Build id: 20230907-1323 I created a new Wonder App and tried to debug it by selecting the application.java and right clicking to debug a WOApplication it crashes with this error: java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.getIsTerminating()" because the return value of "er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.erxApplication()" is null at er.extensions.appserver.ERXShutdownHook$1.run(ERXShutdownHook.java:64) I need some help here!!! ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
New Install On Sonoma 4.1.2
I have a new computer with Sonoma 14.1.2 Eclipse Version: 2023-09 (4.29.0) Build id: 20230907-1323 I created a new Wonder App and tried to debug it by selecting the application.java and right clicking to debug a WOApplication it crashes with this error: java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.getIsTerminating()" because the return value of "er.extensions.appserver.ERXApplication.erxApplication()" is null at er.extensions.appserver.ERXShutdownHook$1.run(ERXShutdownHook.java:64) I need some help here!!! ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi All, Thank you so much for your help. Espacially Mr. Markus Ruggiero’s good advice, author of "Learning The Wonders” and Mr. Theodore Petrosky’s good comments which is super positive ( I do read it ), also thanks a lots to all members of WOCommunity. Thanks Kenji Tsurumi Japan ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I tried to Edit a page and I received a message "Failed to Lock Page” > On Dec 4, 2023, at 8:32 AM, Maik Musall wrote: > > Hi Ted, > > no thanks, we’re still sitting on some funds for WOLips and feel bad that all > our attemps so far to pay someone to improve that have failed… > > Maik > > >> Am 04.12.2023 um 14:03 schrieb Theodore Petrosky : >> >> Maik, >> >> Fantastik!!! You are great! Password reset worked perfectly…. >> >> Should we talk about paying a fee to offset the license fee? >> >> Ted >> >>> On Dec 4, 2023, at 6:19 AM, Maik Musall wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> the wiki is back up again at https://wiki.wocommunity.org >>> <https://wiki.wocommunity.org/>. We migrated the Confluence stuff to Xwiki >>> and are sponsoring the required “Pro Macros” license (350 EUR per year). >>> Please report any problems you encounter. >>> >>> There were more than 1000 user accounts, which we deleted most of, along >>> with unused groups that don’t make sense any more. Left are 61 accounts >>> that are associated with actual content. If you want to make use of yours, >>> please use the “reset password” function to assign yourself a password, as >>> only the account names and email addresses were migrated, but no passwords. >>> >>> Thanks for your patience, and thanks to my colleague Yana for doing the >>> migration >>> Maik >> > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi Ted, no thanks, we’re still sitting on some funds for WOLips and feel bad that all our attemps so far to pay someone to improve that have failed… Maik > Am 04.12.2023 um 14:03 schrieb Theodore Petrosky : > > Maik, > > Fantastik!!! You are great! Password reset worked perfectly…. > > Should we talk about paying a fee to offset the license fee? > > Ted > >> On Dec 4, 2023, at 6:19 AM, Maik Musall wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> the wiki is back up again at https://wiki.wocommunity.org >> <https://wiki.wocommunity.org/>. We migrated the Confluence stuff to Xwiki >> and are sponsoring the required “Pro Macros” license (350 EUR per year). >> Please report any problems you encounter. >> >> There were more than 1000 user accounts, which we deleted most of, along >> with unused groups that don’t make sense any more. Left are 61 accounts that >> are associated with actual content. If you want to make use of yours, please >> use the “reset password” function to assign yourself a password, as only the >> account names and email addresses were migrated, but no passwords. >> >> Thanks for your patience, and thanks to my colleague Yana for doing the >> migration >> Maik > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Maik, Fantastik!!! You are great! Password reset worked perfectly…. Should we talk about paying a fee to offset the license fee? Ted > On Dec 4, 2023, at 6:19 AM, Maik Musall wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > the wiki is back up again at https://wiki.wocommunity.org > <https://wiki.wocommunity.org/>. We migrated the Confluence stuff to Xwiki > and are sponsoring the required “Pro Macros” license (350 EUR per year). > Please report any problems you encounter. > > There were more than 1000 user accounts, which we deleted most of, along with > unused groups that don’t make sense any more. Left are 61 accounts that are > associated with actual content. If you want to make use of yours, please use > the “reset password” function to assign yourself a password, as only the > account names and email addresses were migrated, but no passwords. > > Thanks for your patience, and thanks to my colleague Yana for doing the > migration > Maik ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi everyone, the wiki is back up again at https://wiki.wocommunity.org <https://wiki.wocommunity.org/>. We migrated the Confluence stuff to Xwiki and are sponsoring the required “Pro Macros” license (350 EUR per year). Please report any problems you encounter. There were more than 1000 user accounts, which we deleted most of, along with unused groups that don’t make sense any more. Left are 61 accounts that are associated with actual content. If you want to make use of yours, please use the “reset password” function to assign yourself a password, as only the account names and email addresses were migrated, but no passwords. Thanks for your patience, and thanks to my colleague Yana for doing the migration Maik ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I forgot about this. It is really fantastic. Buy the book It is a great reference to have. I also have it on my Kindle account…. Ted > On Dec 3, 2023, at 7:13 AM, mailinglists via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Hi Kenji, > you should be able to follow the instructions on > https://learningthewonders.com <https://learningthewonders.com/> > Site looks a bit outdated but nothing has changed in the recent years so I > did not bother to update its wordings (I am the author of the book “Learning > The Wonders” which is available from amazon in print as well as > electronically) > > Have fun and come back with any question! > ---markus--- > > >> On 3 Dec 2023, at 00:04, TsuruponKenny via Webobjects-dev >> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I'm WebObjecs, WOLisp beginner for several years in very slow pace. When >> I install apples new OSX then install WOLisp ( WebObjects ) using Ant base >> with vintage document “Webobjects Tutorial “ . >> >> I install Sonoma and to try to install normal WOF base but, I could not >> find very important web page : WOCommunity Web Page! >> >> I forgot how to install the WebObjects 5.4.3 sepecial way. >> >> Please reopen the WebObjects web pages or send me archived home page >> documents( WOCommunity Developments and Deployments ). >> >> Kenji Tsurumi >> >> Japan >> >> >> >> >> https://github.com/wocommunity___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mailinglists%40kataputt.com >> >> This email sent to mailingli...@kataputt.com >> <mailto:mailingli...@kataputt.com> > > > > > _______ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com > <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tedpet5%40yahoo.com > > This email sent to tedp...@yahoo.com <mailto:tedp...@yahoo.com> ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi Kenji, you should be able to follow the instructions on https://learningthewonders.com <https://learningthewonders.com/> Site looks a bit outdated but nothing has changed in the recent years so I did not bother to update its wordings (I am the author of the book “Learning The Wonders” which is available from amazon in print as well as electronically) Have fun and come back with any question! ---markus--- > On 3 Dec 2023, at 00:04, TsuruponKenny via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'm WebObjecs, WOLisp beginner for several years in very slow pace. When I > install apples new OSX then install WOLisp ( WebObjects ) using Ant base > with vintage document “Webobjects Tutorial “ . > > I install Sonoma and to try to install normal WOF base but, I could not find > very important web page : WOCommunity Web Page! > > I forgot how to install the WebObjects 5.4.3 sepecial way. > > Please reopen the WebObjects web pages or send me archived home page > documents( WOCommunity Developments and Deployments ). > > Kenji Tsurumi > > Japan > > > > > https://github.com/wocommunity___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/mailinglists%40kataputt.com > > This email sent to mailingli...@kataputt.com _______ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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The wocommunity wiki is temporarily down. Hopefully, it will come back up soon. Ted > On Dec 2, 2023, at 6:04 PM, TsuruponKenny via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'm WebObjecs, WOLisp beginner for several years in very slow pace. When I > install apples new OSX then install WOLisp ( WebObjects ) using Ant base > with vintage document “Webobjects Tutorial “ . > > I install Sonoma and to try to install normal WOF base but, I could not find > very important web page : WOCommunity Web Page! > > I forgot how to install the WebObjects 5.4.3 sepecial way. > > Please reopen the WebObjects web pages or send me archived home page > documents( WOCommunity Developments and Deployments ). > > Kenji Tsurumi > > Japan > > > > > https://github.com/wocommunity___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tedpet5%40yahoo.com > > This email sent to tedp...@yahoo.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi All, I'm WebObjecs, WOLisp beginner for several years in very slow pace. When I install apples new OSX then install WOLisp ( WebObjects ) using Ant base with vintage document “Webobjects Tutorial “ . I install Sonoma and to try to install normal WOF base but, I could not find very important web page : WOCommunity Web Page! I forgot how to install the WebObjects 5.4.3 sepecial way. Please reopen the WebObjects web pages or send me archived home page documents( WOCommunity Developments and Deployments ). Kenji Tsurumi Japan https://github.com/wocommunity WOCommunity Association github.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Thanks Maik. We all really appreciate the work. > On 2 Dec 2023, at 6:36 am, Maik Musall via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > Hi all, > > sorry we didn’t make it yet. An OS update somehow messed up the document > space, and there are thousands of residual user accounts we need to clean > out, otherwise we would need to buy a very expensive license for a macro > plugin. Hang on. > > Maik -- Paul Hoadley https://logicsquad.net/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/logic-squad/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Thank you > On Nov 28, 2023, at 5:29 PM, Maik Musall wrote: > > Hi Ted, > > I’m sorry I wrote this only in the Slack channel: we have xWiki up and > running, but there are a few quirks left to sort out. We aim to have it back > up until the end of the week. > > Maik > > >> Am 28.11.2023 um 21:35 schrieb Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev >> : >> >> Do we have any idea when the wiki can come back online? >> >> I have a new install one a Mac running Sonoma 14.1.1 that will not compile >> apps and as it is basically a new install, I would like to go over the >> install and see where I went wrong….. before I start asking for help… >> >> Ted >> >>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 4:50 PM, D Tim Cummings via Webobjects-dev >>> wrote: >>> >>> https://jenkins.wocommunity.org/job/WOLips_master/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/temp/dist/ >>> >>> >>> On 19/11/23 04:31, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev wrote: >>>> What are you using as the URL to update/install WOLips? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Jesse Tayler >>>>> <mailto:jtay...@oeinc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, the wiki is DOWN — I noticed that literally yesterday or the day >>>>> before and forgot to mention — >>>>> >>>>> Who’s hosting it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 12:19 PM, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev >>>>>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I am trying to set ups new computer and I am getting a >>>>>> >>>>>> Forbidden >>>>>> >>>>>> You don't have permission to access this resource. >>>>>> >>>>>> At this URL >>>>>> >>>>>> https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/documentation/How-tos >>>>>> >>>>>> Help please!! >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >>>>>> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jtayler%40oeinc.com >>>>>> >>>>>> This email sent to jtay...@oeinc.com <mailto:jtay...@oeinc.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >>>> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tim%40triptera.com.au >>>> >>>> This email sent to t...@triptera.com.au <mailto:t...@triptera.com.au> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tedpet5%40yahoo.com >>> >>> This email sent to tedp...@yahoo.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/maik%40selbstdenker.ag >> >> This email sent to m...@selbstdenker.ag > ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi all, sorry we didn’t make it yet. An OS update somehow messed up the document space, and there are thousands of residual user accounts we need to clean out, otherwise we would need to buy a very expensive license for a macro plugin. Hang on. Maik > Am 28.11.2023 um 23:29 schrieb Maik Musall via Webobjects-dev > : > > Hi Ted, > > I’m sorry I wrote this only in the Slack channel: we have xWiki up and > running, but there are a few quirks left to sort out. We aim to have it back > up until the end of the week. > > Maik > > >> Am 28.11.2023 um 21:35 schrieb Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev >> : >> >> Do we have any idea when the wiki can come back online? >> >> I have a new install one a Mac running Sonoma 14.1.1 that will not compile >> apps and as it is basically a new install, I would like to go over the >> install and see where I went wrong….. before I start asking for help… >> >> Ted >> >>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 4:50 PM, D Tim Cummings via Webobjects-dev >>> wrote: >>> >>> https://jenkins.wocommunity.org/job/WOLips_master/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/temp/dist/ >>> >>> >>> On 19/11/23 04:31, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev wrote: >>>> What are you using as the URL to update/install WOLips? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Jesse Tayler >>>>> <mailto:jtay...@oeinc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, the wiki is DOWN — I noticed that literally yesterday or the day >>>>> before and forgot to mention — >>>>> >>>>> Who’s hosting it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 12:19 PM, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev >>>>>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I am trying to set ups new computer and I am getting a >>>>>> >>>>>> Forbidden >>>>>> >>>>>> You don't have permission to access this resource. >>>>>> >>>>>> At this URL >>>>>> >>>>>> https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/documentation/How-tos >>>>>> >>>>>> Help please!! >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >>>>>> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >>>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jtayler%40oeinc.com >>>>>> >>>>>> This email sent to jtay...@oeinc.com <mailto:jtay...@oeinc.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >>>> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tim%40triptera.com.au >>>> >>>> This email sent to t...@triptera.com.au <mailto:t...@triptera.com.au> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tedpet5%40yahoo.com >>> >>> This email sent to tedp...@yahoo.com >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/maik%40selbstdenker.ag >> >> This email sent to m...@selbstdenker.ag > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/maik%40selbstdenker.ag > > This email sent to m...@selbstdenker.ag ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi Ted, I’m sorry I wrote this only in the Slack channel: we have xWiki up and running, but there are a few quirks left to sort out. We aim to have it back up until the end of the week. Maik > Am 28.11.2023 um 21:35 schrieb Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev > : > > Do we have any idea when the wiki can come back online? > > I have a new install one a Mac running Sonoma 14.1.1 that will not compile > apps and as it is basically a new install, I would like to go over the > install and see where I went wrong….. before I start asking for help… > > Ted > >> On Nov 18, 2023, at 4:50 PM, D Tim Cummings via Webobjects-dev >> wrote: >> >> https://jenkins.wocommunity.org/job/WOLips_master/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/temp/dist/ >> >> >> On 19/11/23 04:31, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev wrote: >>> What are you using as the URL to update/install WOLips? >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Jesse Tayler >>>> <mailto:jtay...@oeinc.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, the wiki is DOWN — I noticed that literally yesterday or the day >>>> before and forgot to mention — >>>> >>>> Who’s hosting it? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 12:19 PM, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev >>>>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am trying to set ups new computer and I am getting a >>>>> >>>>> Forbidden >>>>> >>>>> You don't have permission to access this resource. >>>>> >>>>> At this URL >>>>> >>>>> https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/documentation/How-tos >>>>> >>>>> Help please!! >>>>> ___ >>>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >>>>> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >>>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jtayler%40oeinc.com >>>>> >>>>> This email sent to jtay...@oeinc.com <mailto:jtay...@oeinc.com> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >>> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tim%40triptera.com.au >>> >>> This email sent to t...@triptera.com.au <mailto:t...@triptera.com.au> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tedpet5%40yahoo.com >> >> This email sent to tedp...@yahoo.com > > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/maik%40selbstdenker.ag > > This email sent to m...@selbstdenker.ag ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Do we have any idea when the wiki can come back online? I have a new install one a Mac running Sonoma 14.1.1 that will not compile apps and as it is basically a new install, I would like to go over the install and see where I went wrong….. before I start asking for help… Ted > On Nov 18, 2023, at 4:50 PM, D Tim Cummings via Webobjects-dev > wrote: > > https://jenkins.wocommunity.org/job/WOLips_master/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/temp/dist/ > > > On 19/11/23 04:31, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev wrote: >> What are you using as the URL to update/install WOLips? >> >> >> >>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Jesse Tayler >>> <mailto:jtay...@oeinc.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, the wiki is DOWN — I noticed that literally yesterday or the day >>> before and forgot to mention — >>> >>> Who’s hosting it? >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 12:19 PM, Theodore Petrosky via Webobjects-dev >>>> mailto:webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I am trying to set ups new computer and I am getting a >>>> >>>> Forbidden >>>> >>>> You don't have permission to access this resource. >>>> >>>> At this URL >>>> >>>> https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/documentation/How-tos >>>> >>>> Help please!! >>>> ___ >>>> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >>>> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >>>> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >>>> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >>>> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jtayler%40oeinc.com >>>> >>>> This email sent to jtay...@oeinc.com <mailto:jtay...@oeinc.com> >> >> >> ___ >> Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. >> Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com >> <mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com>) >> Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: >> https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tim%40triptera.com.au >> >> This email sent to t...@triptera.com.au <mailto:t...@triptera.com.au> > ___ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/tedpet5%40yahoo.com > > This email sent to tedp...@yahoo.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
