Re: OS X Java Deprecation JVM Source Code
Always a good read: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/10/25/are-java-and-flash-doomed-on-the-mac/ James On Oct 25, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Ian Joyner wrote: Interesting take from Matt. A few things concern me. 1) He says Executive quips always make headlines. Surely, what executives say should be based on what their technical people have told them and be well thought out. That is the mark of an agile environment where technical people are treated with respect. If technical directions are taken without the input of its technical people, that company is losing its way. 2) It is good that Apple stays true to its mission of producing computers for the rest of us. The translation being consumer focused. However, the rest of us used to be computer novices. This is no longer the case. It is coming back to a situation where people are knowledgeable in many computing techniques and programming. These are the new consumers. That is we are getting back to using computers for computing. Yes, producing and supporting development environments is difficult. Apple probably has its time cut out just with Xcode, Objective-C, and Cocoa. If Apple just concentrates on this core technology, then it should make it easy for others to provide other development environments. That is because development environments enable us to use computers for computing. A lot of universities love Apple equipment. Like Java, Ruby, and Python developers favour Macs. But if Apple ditches these, they should be provided by other parties (which Ruby and Python mainly are anyway). I think of a previous university darling - Burroughs. Universities (and other schools) are important customers because they train the next generation of developers. Burroughs was used by many universities and universities produced a lot of software like WFL (Burroughs ALGOL-like and structured JCL), etc. But eventually Burroughs focused on their customers - corporations (Ray McDonald, CEO of Burroughs once famously refused to sell Edsger Djikstra 3 B5000s, not wanting to set up a support structure in Europe). Universities moved to Unix as more open development platforms, while Burroughs closed off somewhat, even though they still had superior architectures and OS. Burroughs lost Bob Barton and his ideas (although where they were left off still survive at Unisys), but luckily he passed a lot of it onto students like Alan Kay. Thus I think it is good that Apple has been so focused as to bring successful products, platforms, and strategies to the market. But that focus could also kill it. Universities teach technologies like Java (Scala), Ruby, and Python. I'd like to get back to things like LISP and Smalltalk - languages and environments that are simple for beginners, yet have advanced features for later years. Apple should not ignore this, and if it can't do it itself, encourage others to do it. Although wasn't the best way to predict the future to invent it? Apple has been very successful in inventing the future, or at least promoting it (from Xerox) with Mac, and now iOS. So what's next? If you can't invent the future, at least be a part of it and don't get in its way - get out of the way... is that what Apple is doing?. That's maybe the open strategy. IBM and Microsoft tried to dominate by getting in the way of the future. It's not a nice strategy. What about WO? Will that be continued to be developed by Apple? Or will it be opened up and maybe opened up to other languages? Ian On 24 Oct 2010, at 18:09, Pascal Robert wrote: And Matt Drance take : http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/10/22/java SJ Speaks: http://www.flickr.com/photos/frasers/5104179782/ On 2010-10-22, at 7:29 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: I am not advocating anything since I only develop one browser GUI for web-based apps myself. However I am stating an opinion that the platforms are diverging at a rate where in my opinion (and that is all it is) a cross-development GUI tool will have difficulty in being ideal and/or perfect on every platform. For example, are Apple's Human Interface guidelines identical to Microsoft's, Ubuntu and RHEL? Even at that, we have new form factors and input devices adding further divergence to interface interaction (iPad, touch-pad laptops etc.). Personally I only need server side java for web-based apps. Ideally I want my development tools to run on Mac because that is my platform of choice. As long as I have a WO-compatible JVM on OS X, and I can run my development tools on OS X, I will, but if the sky fell down tomorrow and I had to use Parallels and a Linux VM to run Eclipse and get my WO-dev job done, I would. Life goes on On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote: I cannot believe that a developper advocates doing three times (MacOS, Windows, Linux) the same boring UI job... Le 22 oct. 2010 à
Re: OS X Java Deprecation JVM Source Code
Interesting take from Matt. A few things concern me. 1) He says Executive quips always make headlines. Surely, what executives say should be based on what their technical people have told them and be well thought out. That is the mark of an agile environment where technical people are treated with respect. If technical directions are taken without the input of its technical people, that company is losing its way. 2) It is good that Apple stays true to its mission of producing computers for the rest of us. The translation being consumer focused. However, the rest of us used to be computer novices. This is no longer the case. It is coming back to a situation where people are knowledgeable in many computing techniques and programming. These are the new consumers. That is we are getting back to using computers for computing. Yes, producing and supporting development environments is difficult. Apple probably has its time cut out just with Xcode, Objective-C, and Cocoa. If Apple just concentrates on this core technology, then it should make it easy for others to provide other development environments. That is because development environments enable us to use computers for computing. A lot of universities love Apple equipment. Like Java, Ruby, and Python developers favour Macs. But if Apple ditches these, they should be provided by other parties (which Ruby and Python mainly are anyway). I think of a previous university darling - Burroughs. Universities (and other schools) are important customers because they train the next generation of developers. Burroughs was used by many universities and universities produced a lot of software like WFL (Burroughs ALGOL-like and structured JCL), etc. But eventually Burroughs focused on their customers - corporations (Ray McDonald, CEO of Burroughs once famously refused to sell Edsger Djikstra 3 B5000s, not wanting to set up a support structure in Europe). Universities moved to Unix as more open development platforms, while Burroughs closed off somewhat, even though they still had superior architectures and OS. Burroughs lost Bob Barton and his ideas (although where they were left off still survive at Unisys), but luckily he passed a lot of it onto students like Alan Kay. Thus I think it is good that Apple has been so focused as to bring successful products, platforms, and strategies to the market. But that focus could also kill it. Universities teach technologies like Java (Scala), Ruby, and Python. I'd like to get back to things like LISP and Smalltalk - languages and environments that are simple for beginners, yet have advanced features for later years. Apple should not ignore this, and if it can't do it itself, encourage others to do it. Although wasn't the best way to predict the future to invent it? Apple has been very successful in inventing the future, or at least promoting it (from Xerox) with Mac, and now iOS. So what's next? If you can't invent the future, at least be a part of it and don't get in its way - get out of the way... is that what Apple is doing?. That's maybe the open strategy. IBM and Microsoft tried to dominate by getting in the way of the future. It's not a nice strategy. What about WO? Will that be continued to be developed by Apple? Or will it be opened up and maybe opened up to other languages? Ian On 24 Oct 2010, at 18:09, Pascal Robert wrote: And Matt Drance take : http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/10/22/java SJ Speaks: http://www.flickr.com/photos/frasers/5104179782/ On 2010-10-22, at 7:29 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: I am not advocating anything since I only develop one browser GUI for web-based apps myself. However I am stating an opinion that the platforms are diverging at a rate where in my opinion (and that is all it is) a cross-development GUI tool will have difficulty in being ideal and/or perfect on every platform. For example, are Apple's Human Interface guidelines identical to Microsoft's, Ubuntu and RHEL? Even at that, we have new form factors and input devices adding further divergence to interface interaction (iPad, touch-pad laptops etc.). Personally I only need server side java for web-based apps. Ideally I want my development tools to run on Mac because that is my platform of choice. As long as I have a WO-compatible JVM on OS X, and I can run my development tools on OS X, I will, but if the sky fell down tomorrow and I had to use Parallels and a Linux VM to run Eclipse and get my WO-dev job done, I would. Life goes on On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote: I cannot believe that a developper advocates doing three times (MacOS, Windows, Linux) the same boring UI job... Le 22 oct. 2010 à 04:37, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com a écrit : Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality at
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And Matt Drance take : http://www.appleoutsider.com/2010/10/22/java SJ Speaks: http://www.flickr.com/photos/frasers/5104179782/ On 2010-10-22, at 7:29 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: I am not advocating anything since I only develop one browser GUI for web-based apps myself. However I am stating an opinion that the platforms are diverging at a rate where in my opinion (and that is all it is) a cross-development GUI tool will have difficulty in being ideal and/or perfect on every platform. For example, are Apple's Human Interface guidelines identical to Microsoft's, Ubuntu and RHEL? Even at that, we have new form factors and input devices adding further divergence to interface interaction (iPad, touch-pad laptops etc.). Personally I only need server side java for web-based apps. Ideally I want my development tools to run on Mac because that is my platform of choice. As long as I have a WO-compatible JVM on OS X, and I can run my development tools on OS X, I will, but if the sky fell down tomorrow and I had to use Parallels and a Linux VM to run Eclipse and get my WO-dev job done, I would. Life goes on On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote: I cannot believe that a developper advocates doing three times (MacOS, Windows, Linux) the same boring UI job... Le 22 oct. 2010 à 04:37, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com a écrit : Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality at best, and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have been biased from the start. This is especially true as the gap widens between advancing high-tech operating systems such as OS X and would-they-ever-give-up-and-go-home-with-their-junk operating systems such as Winblows. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter: http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/probert%40macti.ca This email sent to prob...@macti.ca ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 23 Oct 2010, at 01:07, Joel M. Benisch wrote: MacApp is still in use by some, and it goes back to Object Pascal days (late 1980s?). Wow, still around. C and C++ have been around for how long? And they are the horrors of all horrors. Strange how the worst technologies have the longest lives. But maybe that's because they are 'systems' technologies, whereas applications technologies change a lot. Although as far as systems languages go ALGOL was far better than C (ALGOL has now been around for 50 years, beating C, although not as widespread). I did a lot of OP MacApp, and the move to C++ just killed the elegance of it. I would have thought all us MA people moved to Cocoa which is more elegant. I think applications technologies get fragmented. Like Eiffel for instance, where supporters started adding their own slants to things like SmallEiffel and Sather. Maybe the move to Java has ended up damaging WO. Certainly, it just got so complex around the time of the move to Eclipse and Wonder - the learning cliff as Pascal put it - that seeing there weren't any other jobs around Sydney, I gave up. Still follow this group out of interest though. More on topic, Apple have been given a hard time for always being behind with Java. Seems they would be better off for Oracle to actually bring their version of Java to OS X, although that would leave Apple with a Flash-like problem of waiting for a third party to do a good implementation on OS X. On the other hand, maybe Java is coming to the end of its life. As a language, it looks like Scala is better, although that runs on JVM, and perhaps as a platform, .net is better being more language neutral. Perhaps Apple does need to be more open to other environments running in OS X. Even its own WO has followed a rocky path, so it is much more difficult for external people. From my comments on C and C++, I think that programming technology has hardly reached its potential yet and there is a long way to go. That means being open to new things and research and encouraging that to happen on Apple equipment. After all, it should be easier and more pleasant to do these things on than Windows or other versions of Unix. Computing needs to have more computing put back into it. That means giving people a platform for thinking, thinking different, and exploring. Ian And there are untold numbers of applications written in those languages that are still in production. Oh, and how long has UNIX been in production? Were most of us born yet when it first come out of Bell Labs? And of course there is always the never ending life span of the underlying foundation of windows, aka MS-DOS, but let's not go there. Old tools and technologies are not necessarily bad, they are just old (ie: Mature). If you use them well to craft elegant code, the result will live and be useful for a very long time. Joel -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Oct 22, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: OK, how about non-mainframe technology :) On Oct 22, 2010, at 8:55 AM, David BON wrote: COBOL :-p ? David B. Le 21 oct. 10 à 22:16, Ken Anderson a écrit : How is that a horror? Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 5 years, forget about 20! :) On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) - YellowBox died - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1
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There have been huge investments in Flash-based content in education. Partly because it was simpler to make SCORM compliant resources with Flash. Some of these resources are just brilliant and would be very hard to make with another technology (I don't do Flash myself). The fact that iOS does not support Flash is a big problem for that whole industry, reducing the portability to mobile devices. I think customers (our kids here) are hostages in a battle for standards. I hope Android will win the battle, for the sake of customers. Le 23 oct. 2010 à 10:04, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com a écrit : Looks like Flash is getting the same treatment: http://mashable.com/2010/10/22/macs-os-x-flash-playe/ More I think about it the more it makes sense. Most people who buy OS X don't have a need for Java anymore and those of us who do shouldn't mind installing it ourselves. Especially, if it means getting updates faster. I think these moves could be part of a larger picture of trimming down the OS and pushing the HTML 5 standard. my 2 cents, Johnny ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I regret that I sent this message. A WO dev list is clearly not the best place to discuss that kind of things... Début du message réexpédié : De : Jean Pierre Malrieu jp.malr...@free.fr Date : 23 octobre 2010 11:17:44 HAEC À : webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Objet : Rép : OS X Java Deprecation JVM Source Code There have been huge investments in Flash-based content in education. Partly because it was simpler to make SCORM compliant resources with Flash. Some of these resources are just brilliant and would be very hard to make with another technology (I don't do Flash myself). The fact that iOS does not support Flash is a big problem for that whole industry, reducing the portability to mobile devices. I think customers (our kids here) are hostages in a battle for standards. I hope Android will win the battle, for the sake of customers. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I cannot believe that a developper advocates doing three times (MacOS, Windows, Linux) the same boring UI job... Le 22 oct. 2010 à 04:37, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com a écrit : Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality at best, and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have been biased from the start. This is especially true as the gap widens between advancing high-tech operating systems such as OS X and would-they-ever-give-up-and-go-home-with-their-junk operating systems such as Winblows. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: OS X Java Deprecation JVM Source Code
I am not advocating anything since I only develop one browser GUI for web-based apps myself. However I am stating an opinion that the platforms are diverging at a rate where in my opinion (and that is all it is) a cross-development GUI tool will have difficulty in being ideal and/or perfect on every platform. For example, are Apple's Human Interface guidelines identical to Microsoft's, Ubuntu and RHEL? Even at that, we have new form factors and input devices adding further divergence to interface interaction (iPad, touch-pad laptops etc.). Personally I only need server side java for web-based apps. Ideally I want my development tools to run on Mac because that is my platform of choice. As long as I have a WO-compatible JVM on OS X, and I can run my development tools on OS X, I will, but if the sky fell down tomorrow and I had to use Parallels and a Linux VM to run Eclipse and get my WO-dev job done, I would. Life goes on On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote: I cannot believe that a developper advocates doing three times (MacOS, Windows, Linux) the same boring UI job... Le 22 oct. 2010 à 04:37, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com a écrit : Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality at best, and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have been biased from the start. This is especially true as the gap widens between advancing high-tech operating systems such as OS X and would-they-ever-give-up-and-go-home-with-their-junk operating systems such as Winblows. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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SJ Speaks: http://www.flickr.com/photos/frasers/5104179782/ On 2010-10-22, at 7:29 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: I am not advocating anything since I only develop one browser GUI for web-based apps myself. However I am stating an opinion that the platforms are diverging at a rate where in my opinion (and that is all it is) a cross-development GUI tool will have difficulty in being ideal and/or perfect on every platform. For example, are Apple's Human Interface guidelines identical to Microsoft's, Ubuntu and RHEL? Even at that, we have new form factors and input devices adding further divergence to interface interaction (iPad, touch-pad laptops etc.). Personally I only need server side java for web-based apps. Ideally I want my development tools to run on Mac because that is my platform of choice. As long as I have a WO-compatible JVM on OS X, and I can run my development tools on OS X, I will, but if the sky fell down tomorrow and I had to use Parallels and a Linux VM to run Eclipse and get my WO-dev job done, I would. Life goes on On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote: I cannot believe that a developper advocates doing three times (MacOS, Windows, Linux) the same boring UI job... Le 22 oct. 2010 à 04:37, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com a écrit : Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality at best, and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have been biased from the start. This is especially true as the gap widens between advancing high-tech operating systems such as OS X and would-they-ever-give-up-and-go-home-with-their-junk operating systems such as Winblows. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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COBOL :-p ? David B. Le 21 oct. 10 à 22:16, Ken Anderson a écrit : How is that a horror? Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 5 years, forget about 20! :) On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) - YellowBox died - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists% 40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto% 40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk% 40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein %40buero-sde.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists% 40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/bon_d%40mac.com This email sent to bo...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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OK, how about non-mainframe technology :) On Oct 22, 2010, at 8:55 AM, David BON wrote: COBOL :-p ? David B. Le 21 oct. 10 à 22:16, Ken Anderson a écrit : How is that a horror? Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 5 years, forget about 20! :) On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) - YellowBox died - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-sde.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/bon_d%40mac.com This email sent to bo...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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If the UI job is boring, meaning you don't care how your application looks, I suggest doing a simple web app that any browser on any platform can render. Otherwise, UI should not be boring - it should be the best it can be on the platform you're selling to. It's what separates the apps that are wildly successful, from the ones that aren't. On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote: I cannot believe that a developper advocates doing three times (MacOS, Windows, Linux) the same boring UI job... Le 22 oct. 2010 à 04:37, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com a écrit : Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality at best, and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have been biased from the start. This is especially true as the gap widens between advancing high-tech operating systems such as OS X and would-they-ever-give-up-and-go-home-with-their-junk operating systems such as Winblows. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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+1 Joel -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Oct 22, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: If the UI job is boring, meaning you don't care how your application looks, I suggest doing a simple web app that any browser on any platform can render. Otherwise, UI should not be boring - it should be the best it can be on the platform you're selling to. It's what separates the apps that are wildly successful, from the ones that aren't. On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote: I cannot believe that a developper advocates doing three times (MacOS, Windows, Linux) the same boring UI job... Le 22 oct. 2010 à 04:37, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com a écrit : Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality at best, and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have been biased from the start. This is especially true as the gap widens between advancing high-tech operating systems such as OS X and would-they-ever-give-up-and-go-home-with-their-junk operating systems such as Winblows. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmb%40paperfree.net This email sent to j...@paperfree.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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MacApp is still in use by some, and it goes back to Object Pascal days (late 1980s?). C and C++ have been around for how long? And there are untold numbers of applications written in those languages that are still in production. Oh, and how long has UNIX been in production? Were most of us born yet when it first come out of Bell Labs? And of course there is always the never ending life span of the underlying foundation of windows, aka MS-DOS, but let's not go there. Old tools and technologies are not necessarily bad, they are just old (ie: Mature). If you use them well to craft elegant code, the result will live and be useful for a very long time. Joel -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Oct 22, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: OK, how about non-mainframe technology :) On Oct 22, 2010, at 8:55 AM, David BON wrote: COBOL :-p ? David B. Le 21 oct. 10 à 22:16, Ken Anderson a écrit : How is that a horror? Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 5 years, forget about 20! :) On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) - YellowBox died - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-sde.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/bon_d%40mac.com This email sent to bo...@mac.com
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On Oct 22, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: If the UI job is boring, meaning you don't care how your application looks, I suggest doing a simple web app that any browser on any platform can render. Otherwise, UI should not be boring - it should be the best it can be on the platform you're selling to. It's what separates the apps that are wildly successful, from the ones that aren't. Explain Craigslist then. Or Windows for that matter (^_~) Ramsey On Oct 22, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote: I cannot believe that a developper advocates doing three times (MacOS, Windows, Linux) the same boring UI job... Le 22 oct. 2010 à 04:37, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com a écrit : Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality at best, and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have been biased from the start. This is especially true as the gap widens between advancing high-tech operating systems such as OS X and would-they-ever-give-up-and-go- home-with-their-junk operating systems such as Winblows. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ramsey%40xeotech.com This email sent to ram...@xeotech.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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MS ASP with Visual Basic. Still in use by many companies who didn't switch to .net Platform :) Sent from my iPhone On 2010-10-22, at 5:07 PM, Joel M. Benisch j...@paperfree.net wrote: MacApp is still in use by some, and it goes back to Object Pascal days (late 1980s?). C and C++ have been around for how long? And there are untold numbers of applications written in those languages that are still in production. Oh, and how long has UNIX been in production? Were most of us born yet when it first come out of Bell Labs? And of course there is always the never ending life span of the underlying foundation of windows, aka MS-DOS, but let's not go there. Old tools and technologies are not necessarily bad, they are just old (ie: Mature). If you use them well to craft elegant code, the result will live and be useful for a very long time. Joel -- Joel M. Benisch CPCU, President 973-992-6300 x303 PaperFree Corporation 973-992- FAX 909 Regal Boulevard j...@paperfree.net Livingston, NJ 07039-8249 WE CREATE PRODUCTS WE WOULD WANT TO USE! On Oct 22, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: OK, how about non-mainframe technology :) On Oct 22, 2010, at 8:55 AM, David BON wrote: COBOL :-p ? David B. Le 21 oct. 10 à 22:16, Ken Anderson a écrit : How is that a horror? Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 5 years, forget about 20! :) On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) - YellowBox died - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look atthe positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-sde.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.
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On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) - YellowBox died - Next buys apple Got it for quite a good price, too! WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Looks like Flash is getting the same treatment: http://mashable.com/2010/10/22/macs-os-x-flash-playe/ More I think about it the more it makes sense. Most people who buy OS X don't have a need for Java anymore and those of us who do shouldn't mind installing it ourselves. Especially, if it means getting updates faster. I think these moves could be part of a larger picture of trimming down the OS and pushing the HTML 5 standard. my 2 cents, Johnny ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
OS X Java Deprecation JVM Source Code
Hi all, I just noticed in Apple's latest Java release (Java 6, update 3) that Apple has deprecated it's JVM. That's the bad news. The GOOD news is that they also included the Apple JVM source code in the package. So a non-Apple JVM for OS X shouldn't be far behind. It installs the source here: /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0_22-b04-307.jdk/Contents/Home/src.jar Let the hysteria begin. Dave ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote: Hi all, I just noticed in Apple's latest Java release (Java 6, update 3) that Apple has deprecated it's JVM. That's the bad news. The GOOD news is that they also included the Apple JVM source code in the package. So a non-Apple JVM for OS X shouldn't be far behind. It installs the source here: /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0_22-b04-307.jdk/Contents/Home/src.jar Nevermind. That's _not_ the JVM source. :-( Let the hysteria begin. Ahg! Okay. Maybe I'm not really hysterical. Concerned, though. Dave ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 2010-10-21, at 5:16 AM, David Avendasora wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote: Hi all, I just noticed in Apple's latest Java release (Java 6, update 3) that Apple has deprecated it's JVM. That's the bad news. The GOOD news is that they also included the Apple JVM source code in the package. So a non-Apple JVM for OS X shouldn't be far behind. It installs the source here: /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0_22-b04-307.jdk/Contents/Home/src.jar Nevermind. That's _not_ the JVM source. :-( Let the hysteria begin. Ahg! Okay. Maybe I'm not really hysterical. Concerned, though. Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:00 AM, David LeBer dleber_wo...@codeferous.com wrote: On 2010-10-21, at 5:16 AM, David Avendasora wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote: Hi all, I just noticed in Apple's latest Java release (Java 6, update 3) that Apple has deprecated it's JVM. That's the bad news. The GOOD news is that they also included the Apple JVM source code in the package. So a non-Apple JVM for OS X shouldn't be far behind. It installs the source here: /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0_22-b04-307.jdk/Contents/Home/src.jar Nevermind. That's _not_ the JVM source. :-( Let the hysteria begin. Ahg! Okay. Maybe I'm not really hysterical. Concerned, though. Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site:http://codeferous.com blog:http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmlittle%40gmail.com This email sent to jmlit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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+1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Ken Anderson kenli...@anderhome.comwrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? Yeah, that should work for server apps. The big loser here is Swing applications, at least until Oracle has a new implementation for Mac. However, SWT and Eclipse are also affected, although less so; but one eclipse dev seems pretty down about it ([it] may be the beginning of the end of Eclipse on the Mac platform): http://alblue.bandlem.com/2010/10/apple-deprecates-java.html John ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 2010-10-21, at 12:29 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? Earlier today from twitter: mschrag 11:18 AM surprised at how smooth it was to build openjdk on mac On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 2010-10-21, at 7:37 PM, John Huss wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Ken Anderson kenli...@anderhome.com wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? Yeah, that should work for server apps. The big loser here is Swing applications, at least until Oracle has a new implementation for Mac. However, SWT and Eclipse are also affected, although less so; but one eclipse dev seems pretty down about it ([it] may be the beginning of the end of Eclipse on the Mac platform): http://alblue.bandlem.com/2010/10/apple-deprecates-java.html And perhaps the beginning of another fall after 1995~96... They can't simply survive iOS powered Touch devices for long. Android and Blackberry are following with greater pace and soon they'll leave Apple behind and then?? I remember those days when SAP was famous for it's ABAP R3 and soon they realized their isolation and power of Java so they revamped the whole R3 into NetWeaver powered by Java. This is one of the reason Oracle eventually acquired Sun Microsystems. Farrukh John ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/farrukh.ijaz%40fuegodigitalmedia.com This email sent to farrukh.i...@fuegodigitalmedia.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:39 PM, David LeBer wrote: On 2010-10-21, at 12:29 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? Earlier today from twitter: mschrag 11:18 AM surprised at how smooth it was to build openjdk on mac Does this mean we'll see an OpenJDK 7 binary package for 10.6 up on mDimension build server soon? That would rock (^_^) Ramsey On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ramsey%40xeotech.com This email sent to ram...@xeotech.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it to display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then finder drag and drop is lost among other things On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Ramsey Gurley ram...@xeotech.com wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:39 PM, David LeBer wrote: On 2010-10-21, at 12:29 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? Earlier today from twitter: mschrag 11:18 AM surprised at how smooth it was to build openjdk on mac Does this mean we'll see an OpenJDK 7 binary package for 10.6 up on mDimension build server soon? That would rock (^_^) Ramsey On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site:http://codeferous.com blog:http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ramsey%40xeotech.com This email sent to ram...@xeotech.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmlittle%40gmail.com This email sent to jmlit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Ahh, I see.. that sounds like more than a simple recompile :-/ On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Joe Little wrote: Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it to display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then finder drag and drop is lost among other things On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Ramsey Gurley ram...@xeotech.com wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:39 PM, David LeBer wrote: On 2010-10-21, at 12:29 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? Earlier today from twitter: mschrag 11:18 AM surprised at how smooth it was to build openjdk on mac Does this mean we'll see an OpenJDK 7 binary package for 10.6 up on mDimension build server soon? That would rock (^_^) Ramsey On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site:http://codeferous.com blog:http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ramsey%40xeotech.com This email sent to ram...@xeotech.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmlittle%40gmail.com This email sent to jmlit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 2010-10-21, at 2:26 PM, Joe Little wrote: Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it to display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then finder drag and drop is lost among other things Erm, Eclipse uses SWT which gives it access to native widgets and is not dependent on the Apple JVM. There are things that Eclipse depends on in the Apple JVM but native widgets are not one of them. On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:21 AM, Ramsey Gurley ram...@xeotech.com wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:39 PM, David LeBer wrote: On 2010-10-21, at 12:29 PM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? Earlier today from twitter: mschrag 11:18 AM surprised at how smooth it was to build openjdk on mac Does this mean we'll see an OpenJDK 7 binary package for 10.6 up on mDimension build server soon? That would rock (^_^) Ramsey On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site:http://codeferous.com blog:http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ramsey%40xeotech.com This email sent to ram...@xeotech.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmlittle%40gmail.com This email sent to jmlit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Joe Little jmlit...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it to display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then finder drag and drop is lost among other things That's not true, Eclipse uses native cocoa widgets, so it is largely unaffected by this. But it does rely on a few extensions to standard java provided by the mac version of the JVM, and these will have to be dealt with. X11 will never be necessary to run an SWT app on mac. John ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Thank goodness!! On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:38 PM, John Huss wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Joe Little jmlit...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it to display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then finder drag and drop is lost among other things That's not true, Eclipse uses native cocoa widgets, so it is largely unaffected by this. But it does rely on a few extensions to standard java provided by the mac version of the JVM, and these will have to be dealt with. X11 will never be necessary to run an SWT app on mac. John ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Thanks for the clarification from you and David. I knew there was some apple java dependencies but not sure of which. The only way to make openjdk work now though is x11 I think, correct? On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:38 AM, John Huss johnth...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Joe Little jmlit...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it to display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then finder drag and drop is lost among other things That's not true, Eclipse uses native cocoa widgets, so it is largely unaffected by this. But it does rely on a few extensions to standard java provided by the mac version of the JVM, and these will have to be dealt with. X11 will never be necessary to run an SWT app on mac. John ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 2010-10-21, at 3:15 PM, Joe Little wrote: Thanks for the clarification from you and David. I knew there was some apple java dependencies but not sure of which. The only way to make openjdk work now though is x11 I think, correct? No. http://greensopinion.blogspot.com/2010/01/eclipse-36-on-openjdk-on-mac-os-x.html See the comments: David Green said... @Axel Rauschmayer since SWT uses native widgets it does not run on X11, it uses the mac native controls (Cocoa in this case). As far as a screenshot, it looks the same as when run using the Apple VM. JANUARY 26, 2010 5:42 PM On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:38 AM, John Huss johnth...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Joe Little jmlit...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it to display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then finder drag and drop is lost among other things That's not true, Eclipse uses native cocoa widgets, so it is largely unaffected by this. But it does rely on a few extensions to standard java provided by the mac version of the JVM, and these will have to be dealt with. X11 will never be necessary to run an SWT app on mac. John ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) My money is on Mac iOS 7 Rattlesnake on a 27 iPad. -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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ohhh I like it! Better trademark that puppy now before the mailing list bots at Apple do :) On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: Mac OS XI Cobra ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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From the sound of that, we really do just need OpenJDK7 to get started with Java 7 right away (^_^) Sweet! So, now all I need to do is figure out how to compile it. Ramsey On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:23 PM, David LeBer wrote: On 2010-10-21, at 3:15 PM, Joe Little wrote: Thanks for the clarification from you and David. I knew there was some apple java dependencies but not sure of which. The only way to make openjdk work now though is x11 I think, correct? No. http://greensopinion.blogspot.com/2010/01/eclipse-36-on-openjdk-on-mac-os-x.html See the comments: David Green said... @Axel Rauschmayer since SWT uses native widgets it does not run on X11, it uses the mac native controls (Cocoa in this case). As far as a screenshot, it looks the same as when run using the Apple VM. JANUARY 26, 2010 5:42 PM On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:38 AM, John Huss johnth...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Joe Little jmlit...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it to display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then finder drag and drop is lost among other things That's not true, Eclipse uses native cocoa widgets, so it is largely unaffected by this. But it does rely on a few extensions to standard java provided by the mac version of the JVM, and these will have to be dealt with. X11 will never be necessary to run an SWT app on mac. John ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter:http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ramsey%40xeotech.com This email sent to ram...@xeotech.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) - YellowBox died - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com mailto:kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com mailto:fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-sde.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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openjdk6 is on macports. maybe they will get 7 soon simon On 21 October 2010 20:44, Ramsey Gurley ram...@xeotech.com wrote: From the sound of that, we really do just need OpenJDK7 to get started with Java 7 right away (^_^) Sweet! So, now all I need to do is figure out how to compile it. Ramsey On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:23 PM, David LeBer wrote: On 2010-10-21, at 3:15 PM, Joe Little wrote: Thanks for the clarification from you and David. I knew there was some apple java dependencies but not sure of which. The only way to make openjdk work now though is x11 I think, correct? No. http://greensopinion.blogspot.com/2010/01/eclipse-36-on-openjdk-on-mac-os-x.html See the comments: David Green said... @Axel Rauschmayer since SWT uses native widgets it does not run on X11, it uses the mac native controls (Cocoa in this case). As far as a screenshot, it looks the same as when run using the Apple VM. JANUARY 26, 2010 5:42 PM On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:38 AM, John Huss johnth...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Joe Little jmlit...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps but not cocoa/aqua native. In other words, eclipse can't use it to display GUI elements unless you rebuild eclipse to use x11, and then finder drag and drop is lost among other things That's not true, Eclipse uses native cocoa widgets, so it is largely unaffected by this. But it does rely on a few extensions to standard java provided by the mac version of the JVM, and these will have to be dealt with. X11 will never be necessary to run an SWT app on mac. John ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/dleber_wodev%40codeferous.com This email sent to dleber_wo...@codeferous.com ;david -- David LeBer Codeferous Software 'co-def-er-ous' adj. Literally 'code-bearing' site: http://codeferous.com blog: http://davidleber.net profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleber twitter: http://twitter.com/rebeld -- Toronto Area Cocoa / WebObjects developers group: http://tacow.org ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/ramsey%40xeotech.com This email sent to ram...@xeotech.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/simon%40potwells.co.uk This email sent to si...@potwells.co.uk ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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How is that a horror? Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 5 years, forget about 20! :) On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) - YellowBox died - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-sde.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) Yes, and the only development platform was WINDOWS! Ick! - YellowBox died Several WO companies got sued... - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list ( Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com ) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-sde.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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OK OK, horror is not the correct word (sorry, I'm not a native speaker) but the last 20 years there were a lot of discussions about that. I missed to note annual WO is dead discussions :-) . But to make it clear: I like WO and I hope i will be able to work with it the next 20 years. Stefan Am 21.10.10 22:16, schrieb Ken Anderson: How is that a horror? Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 5 years, forget about 20! :) On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) - YellowBox died - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com mailto:kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com mailto:fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-sde.de This email sent tostefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com mailto:Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: OK OK, horror is not the correct word (sorry, I'm not a native speaker) but the last 20 years there were a lot of discussions about that. I missed to note annual WO is dead discussions :-) . WO is dead? Is WO dead? WO IS dead! Oh my God! Run away! Run away! Run away! :-P Chuck But to make it clear: I like WO and I hope i will be able to work with it the next 20 years. Stefan Am 21.10.10 22:16, schrieb Ken Anderson: How is that a horror? Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 5 years, forget about 20! :) On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) - YellowBox died - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list ( Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com ) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-sde.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Long live WOnder!!! :-) Paul On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: OK OK, horror is not the correct word (sorry, I'm not a native speaker) but the last 20 years there were a lot of discussions about that. I missed to note annual WO is dead discussions :-) . WO is dead? Is WO dead? WO IS dead! Oh my God! Run away! Run away! Run away! :-P Chuck But to make it clear: I like WO and I hope i will be able to work with it the next 20 years. Stefan Am 21.10.10 22:16, schrieb Ken Anderson: How is that a horror? Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 5 years, forget about 20! :) On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) - YellowBox died - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list ( Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com ) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-sde.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/pyu%40mac.com This email sent to p...@mac.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored.
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Am 21.10.10 22:30, schrieb Chuck Hill: On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: OK OK, horror is not the correct word (sorry, I'm not a native speaker) but the last 20 years there were a lot of discussions about that. I missed to note annual WO is dead discussions :-) . WO is dead? Is WO dead? WO IS dead! Oh my God! Run away! Run away! Run away! Run away ? Never ! The best way is to work on WO projects and wait until the annual tempest in a teacup is gone ;-) . :-P Chuck But to make it clear: I like WO and I hope i will be able to work with it the next 20 years. Stefan Am 21.10.10 22:16, schrieb Ken Anderson: How is that a horror? Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 5 years, forget about 20! :) On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) - YellowBox died - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list ( Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com ) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-sde.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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But it will still be 5.4.3 On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Kieran Kelleher kelleh...@gmail.com wrote: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmlittle%40gmail.com This email sent to jmlit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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You forgot to mention that the obj-c - java bridge finally died after 3.5.1 - sometime in the 4.x I think We are on our 13th year with WO (damn that is a long time) Dov Rosenberg On 10/21/10 4:19 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) Yes, and the only development platform was WINDOWS! Ick! - YellowBox died Several WO companies got sued... - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhom e.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list ( Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com ) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-s de.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village. net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Finally Chuck admits it! ;) -Lon On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: OK OK, horror is not the correct word (sorry, I'm not a native speaker) but the last 20 years there were a lot of discussions about that. I missed to note annual WO is dead discussions :-) . WO is dead? Is WO dead? WO IS dead! Oh my God! Run away! Run away! Run away! :-P Chuck But to make it clear: I like WO and I hope i will be able to work with it the next 20 years. Stefan Am 21.10.10 22:16, schrieb Ken Anderson: How is that a horror? Name me one other technology thats lasted more than 5 years, forget about 20! :) On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) - YellowBox died - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list ( Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com ) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-sde.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill Senior Consultant / VP Development Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/varscsak%40smarthealth.com This email sent to varsc...@smarthealth.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev
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Christ now you won't even be able to do Grails. On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Dov Rosenberg wrote: You forgot to mention that the obj-c - java bridge finally died after 3.5.1 - sometime in the 4.x I think We are on our 13th year with WO (damn that is a long time) Dov Rosenberg On 10/21/10 4:19 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) Yes, and the only development platform was WINDOWS! Ick! - YellowBox died Several WO companies got sued... - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhom e.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list ( Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com ) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-s de.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village. net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I'm just gutted that this means the end of swing. oh how much i loved swing apps. they were so elegant. simon On 21 October 2010 22:44, Ken Foust fou...@me.com wrote: Christ now you won't even be able to do Grails. On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Dov Rosenberg wrote: You forgot to mention that the obj-c - java bridge finally died after 3.5.1 - sometime in the 4.x I think We are on our 13th year with WO (damn that is a long time) Dov Rosenberg On 10/21/10 4:19 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) Yes, and the only development platform was WINDOWS! Ick! - YellowBox died Several WO companies got sued... - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhom e.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list ( Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com ) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-s de.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village. net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/simon%40potwells.co.uk This email sent to si...@potwells.co.uk ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Had Apple actually maintained their version of Swing to keep it looking current, Swing would have been elegant. Instead they always looked antiquated. Now it will be even worse. So much for cross-platform application development outside the browser. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Simon si...@potwells.co.uk wrote: I'm just gutted that this means the end of swing. oh how much i loved swing apps. they were so elegant. simon ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Wait a minute... What about D2JC?! Really people. Think about it. We won't be able to do D2JC anymore Hello? Anybody? No? Well, at least something hasn't changed in the past 6 years. :-) Dave On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Simon wrote: I'm just gutted that this means the end of swing. oh how much i loved swing apps. they were so elegant. simon On 21 October 2010 22:44, Ken Foust fou...@me.com wrote: Christ now you won't even be able to do Grails. On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Dov Rosenberg wrote: You forgot to mention that the obj-c - java bridge finally died after 3.5.1 - sometime in the 4.x I think We are on our 13th year with WO (damn that is a long time) Dov Rosenberg On 10/21/10 4:19 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) Yes, and the only development platform was WINDOWS! Ick! - YellowBox died Several WO companies got sued... - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhom e.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list ( Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com ) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-s de.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village. net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/simon%40potwells.co.uk This email sent to si...@potwells.co.uk ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update
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Ah, yes, the rapturous beauty of Swing! On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Simon wrote: I'm just gutted that this means the end of swing. oh how much i loved swing apps. they were so elegant. simon On 21 October 2010 22:44, Ken Foust fou...@me.com wrote: Christ now you won't even be able to do Grails. On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Dov Rosenberg wrote: You forgot to mention that the obj-c - java bridge finally died after 3.5.1 - sometime in the 4.x I think We are on our 13th year with WO (damn that is a long time) Dov Rosenberg On 10/21/10 4:19 PM, Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net wrote: On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Stefan Klein wrote: Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) Yes, and the only development platform was WINDOWS! Ick! - YellowBox died Several WO companies got sued... - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! Stefan Am 21.10.10 21:29, schrieb Kieran Kelleher: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhom e.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list ( Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com ) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/stefan.klein%40buero-s de.de This email sent to stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village. net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/simon%40potwells.co.uk This email sent to si...@potwells.co.uk ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/chill%40global-village.net This email sent to ch...@global-village.net -- Chuck Hill
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Better than that, we will be on WO 5.4.x + Wonder 8.0.203267. WO is java, Java is extendable, hackable, injectable, over-rideable .. I prefer the new WebObjects features to be open-source in WOnder than added as closed source in WebObjects. On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Joe Little wrote: But it will still be 5.4.3 On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Kieran Kelleher kelleh...@gmail.com wrote: My 2 cents: Relax, don't panic, There is always a way forward. Look at the positive. I am sure that in 5 years, much of this community will still be here developing WebObjects enterprise apps in Java 9 on Mac OS XI Cobra ;-) -Kieran On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Ken Foust wrote: I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Ken Anderson wrote: Couldn't we just use the SoyLatte JVM for WO development? On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:21 PM, Paulo Siqueira wrote: +1 =p Well, I hear that Ubuntu is nice this time of year... That was my thought as well, I swear :p -- Paulo JCranky Siqueira Visit my blog: http://www.jcranky.com/ ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/fousto%40me.com This email sent to fou...@me.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/jmlittle%40gmail.com This email sent to jmlit...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality at best, and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have been biased from the start. This is especially true as the gap widens between advancing high-tech operating systems such as OS X and would-they-ever-give-up-and-go-home-with-their-junk operating systems such as Winblows. On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:06 PM, John Huss wrote: Had Apple actually maintained their version of Swing to keep it looking current, Swing would have been elegant. Instead they always looked antiquated. Now it will be even worse. So much for cross-platform application development outside the browser. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Simon si...@potwells.co.uk wrote: I'm just gutted that this means the end of swing. oh how much i loved swing apps. they were so elegant. simon ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Dude, you sound just like Steve Jobs :) On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote: Cross-platform development GUIs, IMHO, can never offer true fidelity on any one platform. They will mostly achieve an inferior subset of functionality at best, and possibly only look good on the platform to which they have been biased from the start. This is especially true as the gap widens between advancing high-tech operating systems such as OS X and would-they-ever-give-up-and-go-home-with-their-junk operating systems such as Winblows. On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:06 PM, John Huss wrote: Had Apple actually maintained their version of Swing to keep it looking current, Swing would have been elegant. Instead they always looked antiquated. Now it will be even worse. So much for cross-platform application development outside the browser. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Simon si...@potwells.co.uk wrote: I'm just gutted that this means the end of swing. oh how much i loved swing apps. they were so elegant. simon ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kelleherk%40gmail.com This email sent to kelleh...@gmail.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/kenlists%40anderhome.com This email sent to kenli...@anderhome.com ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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+1 On 21 Oct 2010, at 12:27 PM, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:32:11 -0600 From: Ken Foust fou...@me.com Subject: Re: OS X Java Deprecation JVM Source Code To: Ken Anderson kenli...@anderhome.com Cc: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Message-ID: f4dfc485-5f21-436a-9f20-fed5eb00b...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have not seen a response form Mike Schrag and would hold most comments until he responds. But what do you think of CocoaWO now My opinion Apple needs to incorporate and brilliant enterprise web dev app tied to Cocoa. ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 21 Oct 2010, at 3:17 PM, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com wrote: Message: 6 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:12:33 +0200 From: Stefan Klein stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de Subject: Re: OS X Java Deprecation JVM Source Code To: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Message-ID: 4cc09eb1.3090...@buero-sde.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Can't remember the exact years but: 1990 I started with NeXTstep on a black box and then the horror began: Operating Systems: - NeXTstep on several plattforms - OpenStep - Black Hardware dies - YellowBox (anyone remenber?) - YellowBox died - Next buys apple WO: - Started with WO 3.5 - WebScript dies - Objective-C dies (I think 2001) - Last Windows Version WO 5.2 Now: Announcement OS X JVM will die I think we will survive that too! I just wonder why they like to kill so many good tools... but yea, we will survive... in an iPad, as Chuck said, but will survive... Dino Stefan ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 21 Oct 2010, at 5:25 PM, webobjects-dev-requ...@lists.apple.com wrote: Message: 2 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:52:43 -0700 From: Dov Rosenberg drosenb...@inquira.com Subject: Re: OS X Java Deprecation JVM Source Code To: Chuck Hill ch...@global-village.net,Stefan Klein stefan.kl...@buero-sde.de Cc: webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Message-ID: c8e6205b.11089%drosenb...@inquira.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You forgot to mention that the obj-c - java bridge finally died after 3.5.1 - sometime in the 4.x I think that was really sad... i really miss that obsolete-and-sick javaBridge... :'( We are on our 13th year with WO (damn that is a long time) Dov Rosenberg Dino -- di...@mac.com Business Applied X Objects http://strausz.blogspot.com (+52-1) 55-5437-8205 ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list (Webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/webobjects-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
