Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-website] Localization page on the site

2011-01-29 Thread David Nelson
Hi Sophie, l10n people, :-)

I've just posted a revised draft of the Localizers page [1] that
hopefully takes account of the comments on the previous draft.

While reading, please remember that this information primarily targets
newcomers to the project, who may have little or no previous knowledge
of localization within an OS project, or the LibreOffice project's
policies in that respect.

But I have cut-out some text that can usefully go in a dedicated
localization FAQ on the site. (If the rest of the page has your basic
approval then we can create the said FAQ and add a link to it in the
page.)

However, all the key links needed by existing localizers are provided
in list form at the top of the page (please give me a heads-up if I
missed any important ones).

To those of you who may feel that the content I've written is text,
text, text, please remember that the entire site needs the loving
attention of people from the Design team, as regards providing
graphics, prettying-up the presentation with nice text boxes, etc.
Then it will all look less boring. So the same goes for this page,
too. What I've done is very much a version 1.0 of the site, and it's
all up for further development - but at least the site *does exist*
now, which wasn't the case before...

If you want changes to the draft, give me a heads-up and I'll apply
them, or else use your account on the site (or ask me or others for
one) and jump in and have a go yourself. ;-)

HTH.

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-website] Localization page on the site

2011-01-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 29/01/2011 09:06, David Nelson a écrit :
 Hi Sophie, l10n people, :-)

 I've just posted a revised draft of the Localizers page [1] that
 hopefully takes account of the comments on the previous draft.
Hi David,

It seems you forgot the link in note [1]

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-website] Localization page on the site

2011-01-29 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:15, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@orange.fr wrote:
 It seems you forgot the link in note [1]

Toutes mes excuses, monsieur. ;-)

https://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/localizers/

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-website] Localization page on the site

2011-01-29 Thread David Nelson
Hi Christoph, :-)

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:52, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote:
 just an assumption, but according to the change mails I get, this is the
 latest version of the localizers page:
 https://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/localizers/?stage=live

 David, is this correct?

Erm, yes Why? Is it that bad? :-D

Try this then: [1]

[1] https://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/localizers

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[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-website] Localization page on the site

2011-01-29 Thread Dr. Bernhard Dippold
Hi David, all,

Just one remark to the content:

Would it be possible to change the link behind Design Team  (in: If you need 
to work 
on aspects of the LibreOffice project's branding for localization needs, our 
Design team 
helps you meet your needs while staying within the project's graphic charter 
and 
copyright constraints.) from the subscribe mail 
(mailto:design+subscr...@libreoffice.org)
to the Get-involved page?

- http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/ux-visual-designers/ (or just a 
relative link)

This would allow people to learn a bit more about the team, possibly leading to 
an 
improved interactive relation between designers in the l10n groups and the 
Design Team.

Thanks in advance!

 ... and about your link to the page: 

David Nelson wrote:
 Hi, :-)
 
 On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 16:15, Jean-Baptiste Faure  wrote:
  It seems you forgot the link in note [1]
 
 Toutes mes excuses, monsieur. ;-)
 
 https://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/localizers/

If you don't refer to the secure page, you will not be bothered by the tweaked 
certificate:

http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/localizers/

Best regards

Bernhard




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Re: [libreoffice-website] Dutch site on silverstripe - some more probs

2011-01-29 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi Christian, *,

Thanks for info below. Does it make sense if I add it somewhere here 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Development ??


Best,
Cor

Christian Lohmaier wrote (29-01-11 00:13)

Hi Cor, *,

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl  wrote:

Christian Lohmaier wrote (28-01-11 23:36)

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nlwrote:

The page is of type FaqsHolder - and FaqsHolder pages display a
summary of their child-FAQs - like on
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/faq/
(to also show the search form, insert $SearchFaqsForm into the content
area


Aha. Can I find somewhere which page types have to be used for what?


Well, most should be self-explanatory - so Faqs-Holder to start a FAQs
section (when using the FAQs modlue), they can be nested, like on the
main page. The indivudual FAQs then have to be of thy FaqsPage
(otherwise they won't be included in the Faq-Holder's summary and also
not included in the FAQ-search)

As mentioned, for the FaqsHolder, there is the special token
$SearchFaqsForm that will insert the search form.

Another special pages is the ErrorPage, any project should at least
create one 404 error page, so that users will get a nice page not
found message in their language. - Users hopefully will never the the
other errors :-)

Then there is the DonatePage type - the special token
$PayPalOOoDev is replaced with a paypal form as shown here:
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/donate/

The DownloadPage inserts the download table below the content

The SubsiteList page has the special token $SubsiteList that will be
replaced by the list of non-english subsites, like on
http://www.libreoffice.org/international-sites/

The Redirector and (Subsite) Virtual pages are used to refer to other
content, either by redirecting or by creating a virtual copy of the
page

UserDefinedForm is a page that can be used to create feedback forms or
other simple forms (the spam-protector field will insert the recaptcha
query)

Nabble page is special purpose, it will include the nabble-version of
the users-mailing list archive
(http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-list-interface/)

JSPage is not used, was (more or less by accident) copied over from
the staging server)
Folderpage same - is used by the libreofficebox - it is used to
display a tree-like structure of files in assets (i.e. you select a
folder, specify whether it should be listed recursively or not, and it
will create a list from that - but styling of the list is missing in
the current theme, and for the LO website, I don't see a specific use
case)
ForumHolder and Forum are not used, the only purpose of the forum
module is to allow for people to register and modify their profile.


If needed, I'll be glad to make use of your kind offering ;-)


OK, don't hesitate to ask for assistance if you get stuck.

ciao
Christian




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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-website] Localization page on the site

2011-01-29 Thread David Nelson
Hi Bernhard, :-)

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:13, Dr. Bernhard Dippold
bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
 Would it be possible to change the link behind Design Team

Done. ;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-website] CSS Styles for Website (Was: Problem with CSS)

2011-01-29 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Ivan M. iv...@patentpending.co.nz wrote:
 Hi Michael,

 On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Michael Wheatland
 mich...@wheatland.com.au wrote:
 I have just noticed that the DIV style Excerpt (Attention-Quote)
 requires more margin. The quote images overlap the text beside it.

 Can you provide an URL? It'd make it much easier to see what's wrong.


 https://website.libreoffice.org/silverstripe/styles-you-can-use/

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-website] Localization page on the site

2011-01-29 Thread Rimas Kudelis

Hi David,

a few notes on the L10n page:

1) I find it a bit awkward that the LibO localization is pushed to the 
last paragraph, and is preceded by the L10n of documentation, website, 
and marketing material. IMO, localization of the application should be 
the first and foremost thing in that list.
2) Is a construction as regards something actually used in English? 
I've never seen or heard such construction before, so it looks to me 
like someone's imperfect English. IMO, the two occurences of this could 
be replaced by simply a word regarding or something like that.
3) I'm not sure if the language teams section of our wiki link is 
needed, provided that it's one of the pages in the L10n category, which 
is also linked to from that list. On the other hand though, one link 
doesn't hurt...


Regards,
Rimas

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Re: [libreoffice-website] CSS Styles for Website (Was: Problem with CSS)

2011-01-29 Thread Rimas Kudelis

2011.01.29 11:33, Michael Wheatland rašė:

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Ivan M.iv...@patentpending.co.nz  wrote:

Hi Michael,

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Michael Wheatland
mich...@wheatland.com.au  wrote:

I have just noticed that the DIV style Excerpt (Attention-Quote)
requires more margin. The quote images overlap the text beside it.

Can you provide an URL? It'd make it much easier to see what's wrong.


  https://website.libreoffice.org/silverstripe/styles-you-can-use/


In .typography p.excerpt:
increase left padding to 40px?

Rimas


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-website] Localization page on the site

2011-01-29 Thread David Nelson
Hi Rimas, :-)

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:40, Rimas Kudelis r...@akl.lt wrote:
 1) I find it a bit awkward that the LibO localization is pushed to the last
 paragraph, and is preceded by the L10n of documentation, website, and
 marketing material. IMO, localization of the application should be the first
 and foremost thing in that list.

OK, fixed. Take a look now. ;-)

 2) Is a construction as regards something actually used in English? I've
 never seen or heard such construction before, so it looks to me like
 someone's imperfect English. IMO, the two occurences of this could be
 replaced by simply a word regarding or something like that.

Yes, as regards something is fine. I'm happy to have just broadened
your English. ;-)

 3) I'm not sure if the language teams section of our wiki link is needed,
 provided that it's one of the pages in the L10n category, which is also
 linked to from that list. On the other hand though, one link doesn't hurt...

It's one of the resource links that Sophie includes in her
introductory email to new localizers, apparently, and was included
from information that she sent me some time ago and that I'd
bookmarked for reference when I was drafting the page. ;-)

David Nelson

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[libreoffice-website] Website header looks very high

2011-01-29 Thread Dr. Bernhard Dippold
Hi all, 

I don't konw if this is browser specific, but our header look very high, when I 
browse to our website (any page on http://www.libreoffice.org) with IE 8 here 
at work.

See screenshot at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO_Mainpage_high_heading.PNG

I can't compare it with other browsers here and I didn't notice it back at home 
with SeaMonkey on Ubuntu, but I just wanted to let you know.

Didn't share the logo and the description tag Home of the LibreOffice 
Productivity Suite the same line in this design too?

Can't remember...

This high header moves navigation and content further down - forcing the user 
to scroll more and to look at the colorful navigation as main part of the page, 
retracting the eye from the real content below.

I just wanted to let you know...

Best regards

Bernhard





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[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Screenshot sizes [was: Introduction - Daniel Neel]

2011-01-29 Thread Dr. Bernhard Dippold
Hi David, Daniel, all,

 [...]
 I've done screenshots done at 400 x 300, which link to an enlargement
 at 800 x 600. That's not a rule, if you have other ideas, but you
 might take account of the conistency aspect. 

If I remember Christian right (please correct me, if I'm wrong), there is 
no need to create two different screenshots, because SilverStripe 
provides the smaller thumbnails on it's own, while opening the full 
size image (yes, 800x600px should be reasonable) in an overlay.

Best regards

Bernhard




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[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Deploy SilverStripe for documentfoundation.org

2011-01-29 Thread Dr. Bernhard Dippold
Hi David, Ivan, all

 Hi Ivan, :-)
 
 On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 06:34, Ivan M. iv...@patentpending.co.nz wrote:
  +1 from me on that point - if we agree on a color, I'd be happy to do it.
 
 I'd leave you to choose the color. 

I would not use a different main color on the TDF page at this stage of 
development.

As long as TDF hosts mainly LibreOffice, their tight relation should be not 
only 
shown by the same logo, but by the same color language.

If it would be possible, what would you think of inverting the navigation (dark 
green 
or black text on light green background) as a means to differ between the sites,
while staying green in the main concept?

Best regards

Bernhard




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Re: [libreoffice-website] Website header looks very high

2011-01-29 Thread ol klaus-jürgen weghorn

Hi Bernhard,
Am 29.01.2011 11:55, schrieb Dr. Bernhard Dippold:

Hi all,

I don't konw if this is browser specific, but our header look very high, when I 
browse to our website (any page on http://www.libreoffice.org) with IE 8 here 
at work.

See screenshot at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO_Mainpage_high_heading.PNG


I use ie8 too, but there is no problem with it. The right line is 
exactly on the bottom line of LibreOffice.



k-j

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[libreoffice-website] access to cms

2011-01-29 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi *,

Joren (cc) would like to have CMS access for Dutch.

Thanks :-)
Cor

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Re: [libreoffice-website] CSS Styles for Website (Was: Problem with CSS)

2011-01-29 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Michael,

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:58 AM, Michael Wheatland
mich...@wheatland.com.au wrote:
 I have just noticed that the DIV style Excerpt (Attention-Quote)
 requires more margin. The quote images overlap the text beside it.

Well yes, this is what I wrote as well The spacing on the quotes one
needs some tweaking, [...]

 Also, would it be possible to set the default image styles, left align
 and right align, to have vspace=15 and hspace=15 ?

No, vspace and hspace are both obsolete/non-conformant with html5
http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#non-conforming-features

(and while I see use for horizontal spacing, the vertical one is
questionable - you usually want to align the image with the top of the
text, don't you?)

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] access to cms

2011-01-29 Thread Claudio F Filho

Hi

Em 29-01-2011 11:20, Erich Christian escreveu:


and then tell me what kind of permissions are requested.


Erich, i has the same doubt that Cor and did the register in the site. I 
am of brazilian community (pt-br). Can you give me access to help there?


Thanks in advanced,
Claudio

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Re: [libreoffice-website] access to cms

2011-01-29 Thread Joren De Cuyper

Hi Erich, Cor,

Pls register an account first
https://www.libreoffice.org/ForumMemberProfile/register

Username: JorenDC

and then tell me what kind of permissions are requested.

I would like to edit the Dutch localization website.

Kind regards,
Joren

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Re: [libreoffice-website] access to cms

2011-01-29 Thread Claudio F Filho

Em 29-01-2011 12:23, Claudio F Filho escreveu:

Erich, i has the same doubt that Cor and did the register in the site. I
am of brazilian community (pt-br). Can you give me access to help there?


Ops...

Username: filhocf

=)

Claudio

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Screenshot sizes [was: Introduction - Daniel Neel]

2011-01-29 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-)

When I've inserted a screenshot in a page, I've also insert a page
containing the enlarged screenshot. This way, people who click on
screenshots land in a site page with the graphic, rather than a
browser window with no nice presentation.

It gives a higher-quality UX in my very humble opinion.

So, in that case, you don't take advantage of this feature of
SilverStripe. What are your comments on that?

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Screenshot sizes [was: Introduction - Daniel Neel]

2011-01-29 Thread David Nelson
P.S. For an example, click on the screenshot in any page in the
Features section.

David Nelson

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 23:09, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 Hi, :-)

 When I've inserted a screenshot in a page, I've also insert a page
 containing the enlarged screenshot. This way, people who click on
 screenshots land in a site page with the graphic, rather than a
 browser window with no nice presentation.

 It gives a higher-quality UX in my very humble opinion.

 So, in that case, you don't take advantage of this feature of
 SilverStripe. What are your comments on that?

 David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Dutch site on silverstripe - some more probs

2011-01-29 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Cor, *,

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
 Hi Christian, *,

 Thanks for info below. Does it make sense if I add it somewhere here
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Development ??

I guess I'll add it to the
https://website.libreoffice.org/silverstripe/ sites that I started for
photoshuffler and the proposed content styles.

But feel free to leave a note on the wiki as well.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Screenshot sizes [was: Introduction - Daniel Neel]

2011-01-29 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi David, *,

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 4:09 PM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:

 When I've inserted a screenshot in a page, I've also insert a page
 containing the enlarged screenshot. This way, people who click on
 screenshots land in a site page with the graphic, rather than a
 browser window with no nice presentation.

 It gives a higher-quality UX in my very humble opinion.

And what does this have to do with the user creating and uploading the
scaled-down screenshots compared to having silverstripe create the
scaled-down versions?

 So, in that case, you don't take advantage of this feature of
 SilverStripe. What are your comments on that?

Yes, you don't but using the image on different pages is in no way
related to the topic, is it?

You upload image image.png in 800x600 once, and that is the only
version of the image you would upload.

On the features page, you insert it in a smaller size, (400x300) - but
instead of also uploading the screenshot in that size, just use the
width/height controls in the insert image task pane.
Silverstripe then creates a scaled down copy by itself.

e.g.
http://www.libreoffice.org/assets/fi-screenshots/FI-LibOMath.png is
the original one, the one that was uploaded.
While in a page the image was inserted with 300x255, thus silverstripe
did create a scaled-down copy:
http://www.libreoffice.org/assets/fi-screenshots/_resampled/resizedimage300225-FI-LibOMath.png

If in another page you would use it in 400xwhatever fits the ratio,
then it would create that size as well.

Of course nobody is forced to use that feature, and in some cases it
might be better to create a completely different image in a different
size (using differently sized fonts to begin with or similar), but
generally it is not needed.

If you're referring to having the original image on a seperate page as
opposed to using colorbox to display it in a popup on the same page,
then that's a matter of taste as well, isn't it?

ciao
Christian

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Re: Re: Re: [libreoffice-website] I want to get involved

2011-01-29 Thread Christian Lohmaier
H Kristoffer, *,

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:20 PM, kristoffer.hansen
kristoffer.han...@stofanet.dk wrote:
 Sorry. I meant user things and so on. For example if we need some kind of 
 testimonials, I could help integrate it with a DB - and maybe with the forum 
 if we wanted that.

For forums, we won't create yet another one as there are already
enough user-focused forums..

And regarding database-integration: the silverstripe CMS has a nice
design, so creating dataobjects, etc is fairly straightforward. To get
an idea have a look at the basic example here:
http://doc.silverstripe.org/old/recipes:example_of_quotes_on_a_page
i.e. for use within silverstripe, you don't need to deal with the
database itself.

That being said: the developers/localizers would love to see a system
that allows to query only for the UI strings (think of opengrok only
for the stings displayed in the UI)
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks#Web_improvements

and of course they'd love to see a nice interface to the bugtracker.
(also mentioned on the page).

If that are things for you, then please go ahead :-)

the other point that is mentioned is to spice up the download page
that now only features the downloads as links, but that is more a
question of applying the corresponding javascript, thus might not be
challenging enough :-))

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-website] Localization page on the site

2011-01-29 Thread Rimas Kudelis

Hi David!

2011.01.29 12:21, David Nelson rašė:

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 17:40, Rimas Kudelisr...@akl.lt  wrote:

1) I find it a bit awkward that the LibO localization is pushed to the last
paragraph, and is preceded by the L10n of documentation, website, and
marketing material. IMO, localization of the application should be the first
and foremost thing in that list.

OK, fixed. Take a look now. ;-)


Looks better, you missed the fact that NL teams abbreviation now 
appears before it's being explained. :) Also, I think the two paragraphs 
could probably be merged, but that's not really necessary. :) I also 
don't see MY favourite offline translation tool (Virtaal) mentioned, but 
you surely can't please everyone. :))




2) Is a construction as regards something actually used in English? I've
never seen or heard such construction before, so it looks to me like
someone's imperfect English. IMO, the two occurences of this could be
replaced by simply a word regarding or something like that.

Yes, as regards something is fine. I'm happy to have just broadened
your English. ;-)


Hehe, thanks for broadening it. :) Though I still can't get used to as 
regards sth...


By the way, here's a totally unrelated quote from today's IRC:
Mabian: irc://freenode.net/documentfoundation does not connect using 
chatzilla

Mabian: irc://chat.freenode.net/documentfoundation does

you may want to fix this. ;)

Best regards,
Rimas


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[libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-01-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Hi,

In Firefox 3.6 under Ubuntu I need to fix a minimal fontsize at 15 pt in
order to obtain characters not too small.
With such kind of fontsize tab titles do not fit on one line.
The result is not readable :
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Capture-LibO_TooManyTabEntries.png.

So, please, choose tab titles shorter or use less tabs

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Re: Re: Re: [libreoffice-website] I want to get involved

2011-01-29 Thread drew
On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 17:10 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
 H Kristoffer, *,
 
 On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:20 PM, kristoffer.hansen
 kristoffer.han...@stofanet.dk wrote:
  Sorry. I meant user things and so on. For example if we need some kind of 
  testimonials, I could help integrate it with a DB - and maybe with the 
  forum if we wanted that.
 

Hi Kristoffer,

You can find the libreoffice forum at:
http://libreofficeforum.org


The owner of the forum is happy to support still additional languages,
if someone is willing to take on the task of translation and moderation
for such.

Best wishes,

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-website] Localization page on the site

2011-01-29 Thread David Nelson
Hi Rimas, :-)

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 00:08, Rimas Kudelis r...@akl.lt wrote:
 Looks better, you missed the fact that NL teams abbreviation now appears
 before it's being explained. :) Also, I think the two paragraphs could
 probably be merged, but that's not really necessary. :) I also don't see MY
 favourite offline translation tool (Virtaal) mentioned, but you surely can't
 please everyone. :))

All fixed. ;-) (except the paragraph merge - preferred not to).


 By the way, here's a totally unrelated quote from today's IRC:
 Mabian: irc://freenode.net/documentfoundation does not connect using
 chatzilla
 Mabian: irc://chat.freenode.net/documentfoundation does

Fixed on various pages. Thanks for the heads-up about this. ;-)

David Nelson

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Deploy SilverStripe for documentfoundation.org

2011-01-29 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Bernhard, hi Ivan, David, Mike, ... :-)

Am Samstag, den 29.01.2011, 12:11 +0100 schrieb Dr. Bernhard Dippold:
 Hi David, Ivan, all
 
  Hi Ivan, :-)
  
  On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 06:34, Ivan M. iv...@patentpending.co.nz wrote:
   +1 from me on that point - if we agree on a color, I'd be happy to do it.
  
  I'd leave you to choose the color. 
 
 I would not use a different main color on the TDF page at this stage of 
 development.
 
 As long as TDF hosts mainly LibreOffice, their tight relation should be not 
 only 
 shown by the same logo, but by the same color language.

I remember the recent discussion of changing/refining the LibreOffice
branding and the logo. So if there will be changes, I guess that the
logo is more related to TDF than LibreOffice ... so let's keep the
general branding, I'd say.

However, if it is about making obvious that users changed the page, then
small tweaks might be sufficient. If we consider the competition, I'm
happy if people are aware of the close relationship between TDF and
LibreOffice - instead of appearing similar to OpenOffice.org, Microsoft
Office, ... :-)

 If it would be possible, what would you think of inverting the navigation 
 (dark green 
 or black text on light green background) as a means to differ between the 
 sites,
 while staying green in the main concept?

Good idea - worth a try!

Cheers,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] CSS Styles for Website (Was: Problem with CSS)

2011-01-29 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Ivan, hi all!

Thanks for the CSS (Creating Superior Styles).

Am Samstag, den 29.01.2011, 07:53 +1300 schrieb Ivan M.:
 For general highlighting, the green (or blue) style
 should be used.

Yep. And by the way, also for the links on the page :-)

 One option might be to use the relevant colorful box
 for pages pertaining to Writer, Calc, Draw, etc, but since they are
 shared with other styles (e.g. impress colors are used for an error
 notice), this might not be such a good idea from a UX point of view.
 Maybe Christoph can weigh in briefly? 

I can ... let's start with the criticism :-) I had a look at the styles,
and I consider them a bit dark (low liminance contrast) when it comes to
text vs. background. Is there any chance to make them a bit lighter? I
know, you seem to have use the lightest colors, but ...

And one CSS-newby question: is there any chance to apply a vertical
gradient to these boxes, or is a solid color required?

Concerning the colors and the applications ... if we would use full
color coding for the applications, we might also run into trouble when
it comes to LibreOffice (the application, either gray or green) and Calc
(green). So if we use slight color coding, then I do see no problems.

For example, having only dark strokes for the applications, or using the
(thanks to Paulo now great looking) document icons, then we don't run
into trouble. In this case, we also differentiate by intensity (intense
= application, slight = new CSS styles).

You remember this?
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tTTNPiZLsHQQ8pzpSGA6Iw?feat=directlink

This mockup worked okay when mixing the OOo website colors, and the
application specific colors.

Cheers,
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Re: [libreoffice-website] pronunciation of Libre

2011-01-29 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Jay, hi Florian!

I'm quite late, but nevertheless ... The original thread starter was
about the FAQ section and a reference to Google how to pronounce
LibreOffice.

When I started the LibO branding pages, I also added what other people
discussed so far; some time ago. You'll find recordings for LibreOffice
(unfortunately, to different speakers) here:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#LibreOffice

But maybe a good reminder ... Florian, you once talked about a
professional speaker who might help us. Is there any chance to ask him
to provide a LibreOffice sound recording that we can make available on
the branding pages and on the website. What do you think?

Am Freitag, den 28.01.2011, 07:27 -0500 schrieb G. Jay Kerns:
 On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Narayan Aras narayana...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  Is IPA limited to only Latin-based languages?
  What phonetic methods are used in non-Latin scripts (e.g. Cyrillic, Hindi)?
 
  Sorry- I quoted Hindi by mistake- The Devnagari script is inherently 
  phonetic.
  Ignore that and think of any other non-Latin scripts that are NOT phonetic.
 
  --
 
 Many thanks to Narayan and others for responding.  I am glad to hear
 that Google wasn't right.

I've documented some recent fun experience:
http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/12/interviews-and-lost-in-translation.html

[...]

 In this spirit, I posted to the Google Translate development group
 about this issue.  I'm not sure how optimistic I am about LibreOffice
 getting a correction, but maybe LibreOffice's high profile new release
 together with the aligned missions of both LibreOffice and (some of)
 Google might bring more attention to the issue than what it might
 ordinarily receive.

Cool  Thanks!

Cheers,
Christoph


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[libreoffice-website] Styling of website menu broken

2011-01-29 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi,

FYI:

I just added another issue to
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Development

In short, look at this:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/6/60/Bildschirmfoto-1.png

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Styling of website menu broken

2011-01-29 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi,

Am 29.01.2011 19:24, schrieb David Nelson:

 In short, look at this:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/6/60/Bildschirmfoto-1.png
 
 Should we just rename Mailing List Interface as Nabble? For me it's
 not a very communicative name, but it's a quick and dirty fix for the
 problem...

We still would run into problems, whenever it comes to a line wrap
in the menu.

Also see:
http://go.mail-archive.com/K76jahCoRLmek7CwdtJY9JPSGA8=

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[libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] Website header looks very high

2011-01-29 Thread Dr. Bernhard Dippold
Hi Christian, *

Chrisian Lohmaier wrote:
 Hi Bernhard, *,
 
 On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Dr. Bernhard Dippold
 bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
 
  I don't konw if this is browser specific, but our header look very high,
  when I browse to our website (any page on http://www.libreoffice.org) 
  with IE 8 here at work.
 
 Can not reproduce with chromium or firefox webkit and opera - did it
 work for you before?

I don't really know. I'm quite sure I looked at the LibO website some
time ago, but I can't remember if it was before the new theme.

But now I had a closer look:

At first: IE version is probably IE7 on Citrix.
Local versions have been updated to IE8, but if I download the wrongly
formatted page in the Citrix session as webarchive (.mht),  it reads 
saved with Internet Explorer 7

The local version (IE8) works fine, only in the Citrix version doesn't allow 
to put the text at the side of the image.

There is an error message at the bottom of the page:
 Zeile:   14
 Zeichen: 822
 Fehler:  Object doesn't support this property or method
 Code:0
 URL: http://www.libreoffice.org

I'm not allowed to look at the source code, I can't open the help index to 
find out the version number of IE and if I save it locally, line breaks 
are added  - cant find line 14 with more than 822 characters.

Sorry - but this system might be very special...

Thanks for caring!

Bernhard




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Re: [libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-01-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 29/01/2011 19:29, David Nelson a écrit :
 Hi, :-)

 Strange. :-(

 It works for me...

 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/2/29/Screenshot-Home_%C2%BB_LibreOffice_-_Mozilla_Firefox.png

 David Nelson

Hi,

And for Get involved, is it correct ?

I obtain the same view as you with a fontsize of 14pt. But not with 15pt.

Another issue : clic Developers tab = page is correct but it is Get
involved tab which is selected.

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[libreoffice-website] Re: SPAM

2011-01-29 Thread Twayne
In news:1296245514.10211.3.camel@sybil-gnome,
drew d...@baseanswers.com typed:
 On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 13:19 -0600, Dave Johnson wrote:
 block the ip..

 Hi David

 Can't agree with that. You end up blocking many other
 people (almost always) then just the poster - banning an ip
 address is ONLY acceptable in the most dire of
 circumstances, IMO of course.

Blocking an IP will only work if the offender has a static IP and it never 
changes; which almost no one has compared to the # of IPs being assigned at 
any one time.

HTH,

Twayne`

 Drew


 Dave Johnson

 On Jan 28, 2011 11:12 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com
 wrote:

 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Babysitting_Jobs_In_Texas




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[libreoffice-website] LO 3.3 appears to be a winner!

2011-01-29 Thread Twayne
I recently (finally) got around to downloading libreO at 3.3. I'm elated to 
say that first pass thru, I find several annoyances and bugs and workarounds 
to be fixed! Nary a bug noticed! Of course, I was selfishly looking to see 
how it did against OO.o 3.3 but I've decided not to bother with it in view 
of all the things going on and my complete lack of understanding the OO vs 
LO situations. All I know is that, barring a show-stopping bug, I may now be 
able to premanently dispose of MSO and I really appreciate that! Another 
donation is definitely in order!

HTH,

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Re: [libreoffice-website] $SubsiteList in subsite

2011-01-29 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Stefan,

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Stefan Weigel
stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote:

 However it seems to me, that using the function $SubsiteList in the
 source code does not work. It just displays $SubsiteList instead
 of listing the sites.

 What´s the problem here? Or who is the problem? (Me??) ;-)

You also have to use the SubsitePage page-type for the replacement to apply.

ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] $SubsiteList in subsite

2011-01-29 Thread Stefan Weigel
Am 29.01.2011 20:51, schrieb Christian Lohmaier:

 However it seems to me, that using the function $SubsiteList in the
 source code does not work. It just displays $SubsiteList instead
 of listing the sites.

 You also have to use the SubsitePage page-type for the replacement to apply.

Thanks, Christian!

(DachtIchMirSchonSowas) :-)


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Re: [libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-01-29 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Jean-Baptiste, *,

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure
jbf.fa...@orange.fr wrote:

 In Firefox 3.6 under Ubuntu I need to fix a minimal fontsize at 15 pt in
 order to obtain characters not too small.

Well - 15 pt as minimum fontsize is really, really big.

Sure you didn't apply a zoom factor in addition? Even with a font-size
of 17pt the (top) navbar still fits here..

ciao
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[libreoffice-website] Very high header with IE 7 6 - please help with the css (was:website header looks very high)

2011-01-29 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Bernhard, *,

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Dr. Bernhard Dippold
bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote:
 Chrisian Lohmaier wrote:

 At first: IE version is probably IE7 on Citrix.
 Local versions have been updated to IE8, but if I download the wrongly
 formatted page in the Citrix session as webarchive (.mht),  it reads
 saved with Internet Explorer 7

OK, when choosing IE 7 on the netrenderer service, it shows the same
result as in your screenshot - but as I don't have access to IE 7, I
myself cannot help to fix it.
(again the shot for reference:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO_Mainpage_high_heading.PNG
)

 There is an error message at the bottom of the page:
     Zeile:   14
     Zeichen: 822
     Fehler:  Object doesn't support this property or method
     Code:    0
     URL:     http://www.libreoffice.org

This is not from the sourcecode itself, but probably triggered by one
of the javascript files, so I doubt it is the reason for the bad
rendering


ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-01-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 29/01/2011 21:30, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
 Hi Jean-Baptiste, *,

 On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure
 jbf.fa...@orange.fr wrote:
 In Firefox 3.6 under Ubuntu I need to fix a minimal fontsize at 15 pt in
 order to obtain characters not too small.
 Well - 15 pt as minimum fontsize is really, really big.
The number is big, not the actual character size. :-)
 Sure you didn't apply a zoom factor in addition? Even with a font-size
 of 17pt the (top) navbar still fits here..
Yes, no zoom.
Is it possible to make the height of the second navbar function of the
number of lines?

Best regards.
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-01-29 Thread Erich Christian
Hi Jean-Baptiste, *

Am 29.01.2011 22:49, schrieb Jean-Baptiste Faure:
 Le 29/01/2011 21:30, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
 In Firefox 3.6 under Ubuntu I need to fix a minimal fontsize at 15 pt in
 order to obtain characters not too small.
 Well - 15 pt as minimum fontsize is really, really big.
 The number is big, not the actual character size. :-)

:-) I use 16 as standard - and have to go up to 20pt to split the menu.
(same Firefox with Win Vista)

 Sure you didn't apply a zoom factor in addition? Even with a font-size
 of 17pt the (top) navbar still fits here..
 Yes, no zoom.

Did you try ctrl + 0 (zero) to be sure? just curious... cause I trapped
myself shortly thinking the same...  ;-)

cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-website] Dutch site on silverstripe - some more probs

2011-01-29 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi ,

Christian Lohmaier wrote (29-01-11 00:13)


If needed, I'll be glad to make use of your kind offering ;-)


OK, don't hesitate to ask for assistance if you get stuck.


For the moment, we (Joren  me) seem pretty much working in the right 
direction :-)


After the first - too rushed start - I took a more quiet look, used the 
info, learned by correcting initial mistakes ;-)


Each day small part, will bring us a long way in a fortnight :-)

Again thanks for the help, pointers etc,

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[libreoffice-website] Silverstripe and the view of mad changes.

2011-01-29 Thread Mike Houben
Hi all,

little question. I receive a lot of this E-Mails lately CMS Workflow: 
LibreOffice - Page: , but is it just me or even if you change something you 
have to know the old version of the text?!

It realy sucks that it's not clear where on Silverstripe i can see the direct 
changes.

Houbsi
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[libreoffice-website] Website team statistics for membership committee

2011-01-29 Thread Michael Wheatland
With the membership committee being formed there has been discussion
about extracting hard data from the contribution systems which will
allow the selection of members being accepted into The Document
Foundation.

With this in mind I think we should put together a list of
Silverstripe users with a 'commit number' of articles on the site.

I will be able to make a similar system for the Drupal development to
capture those users who have contributed there.

The wiki submission list is available already throught the LibreOffice
credits page.

Are there any other statistics which will allow the membership
committee to assess the contribution of the website team?
Is it possible/should we collate these numbers into a single
submission to the membership committee?

Michael Wheatland

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RE: [libreoffice-website] Silverstripe and the view of mad changes.

2011-01-29 Thread Narayan Aras

+1

I have wanted to stop that, in fact. For regular visitors, the recent changes 
should be a good start point.
There is actually NO need for those emails. I have not found a way to stop that.

-Narayan

  
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Re: [libreoffice-website] CSS Styles for Website (Was: Problem with CSS)

2011-01-29 Thread Ivan M.
Hi Christoph, all,

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 6:30 AM, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.com wrote:
 Hi Ivan, hi all!

 Thanks for the CSS (Creating Superior Styles).

 Am Samstag, den 29.01.2011, 07:53 +1300 schrieb Ivan M.:
 For general highlighting, the green (or blue) style
 should be used.

 Yep. And by the way, also for the links on the page :-)

You mean blue links? If so, sure! I think they'd add some nice color
variety to the website. Would #1C99E0 be OK (middle blue from color
table)?

 One option might be to use the relevant colorful box
 for pages pertaining to Writer, Calc, Draw, etc, but since they are
 shared with other styles (e.g. impress colors are used for an error
 notice), this might not be such a good idea from a UX point of view.
 Maybe Christoph can weigh in briefly?

 I can ... let's start with the criticism :-) I had a look at the styles,
 and I consider them a bit dark (low liminance contrast) when it comes to
 text vs. background. Is there any chance to make them a bit lighter? I
 know, you seem to have use the lightest colors, but ...

I could make them a little lighter (e.g. by putting a 10-20%
transparent white rectangle over the screenshot in an image editor and
taking the new color values)

 And one CSS-newby question: is there any chance to apply a vertical
 gradient to these boxes, or is a solid color required?

Yes, but no in some cases. That doesn't help, does it? :)

I'll start by noting that one of the advantages of these colorful
styles is that they can be combined with an optional icon. However,
this becomes a disadvantage if we want a vertical gradient.

A few examples of HTML code with the current styles:
p class=GreenboxHello World/p gives us a green box, and
p class=Greenbox TickHelloWorld/p gives us a green box with a tick, and
p class=TickHelloWorld/p gives us a paragraph with only a tick.

For this to work, the background-image CSS property can only be
defined once (i.e., no background image should be specified for
Greenbox, Bluebox, etc) as most browsers (even many recent ones) can
only display a single background image per HTML element. The
background image is reserved for the (optional) icons. That means we
can't achieve a vertical gradient through a background image (which
would be compatible with most browsers) as well as having optional
icons without adding extra HTML elements - e.g. p
class=Greenboxspan class=TickHello World/span/p - this
would be a small pain for content editors. In this example, the
vertical gradient background would be assigned to the p element, and
the icon would then be assigned to the span element.

It is certainly possible to create a vertical background gradient with
CSS3 [1], but it would only work in a few (mostly cutting-edge)
browsers. If you see this as an extra/optional enhancement (that is,
you think the current single background color implementation, which is
compatible with virtually all browsers, is OK), then I have no problem
with adding some nice CSS3 stuff (as we did on the OOo website with
rounded corners for the login box).

Hopefully that made sense :).

 Concerning the colors and the applications ... if we would use full
 color coding for the applications, we might also run into trouble when
 it comes to LibreOffice (the application, either gray or green) and Calc
 (green). So if we use slight color coding, then I do see no problems.

How about we lighten the colors (to improve display on older browsers)
and then implement CSS3 gradients as an extra?

 For example, having only dark strokes for the applications, or using the
 (thanks to Paulo now great looking) document icons, then we don't run
 into trouble. In this case, we also differentiate by intensity (intense
 = application, slight = new CSS styles).

Oh yes, definitely - I'd like to create some styles with the new
icons. Unfortunately I won't have time to do this until Wednesday (if
anyone wants to step in and do this, by all means go ahead) - but I
hope we can come to a consensus regarding the things discussed above
by then. After that, I'd like to make a second round of improvements
to these new styles and hopefully make them final (for the short term
at least).

 You remember this?
 http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tTTNPiZLsHQQ8pzpSGA6Iw?feat=directlink

Of course :). Just as well we didn't implement that, otherwise it
would have become out of date by 2010 (considering the OOo 3.2.1
icons).

Regards,
Ivan.

[1] http://www.dynamicdrive.com/style/csslibrary/item/css3_linear_gradients/

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RE: [libreoffice-website] pronunciation of Libre

2011-01-29 Thread Narayan Aras

Hi all, 

 From: christ...@dogmatux.com
 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:37:54 +0100

 I'm quite late, but nevertheless ... The original thread starter was
 about the FAQ section and a reference to Google how to pronounce
 LibreOffice.
 
 When I started the LibO branding pages, I also added what other people
 discussed so far; some time ago. You'll find recordings for LibreOffice
 (unfortunately, to different speakers) here:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#LibreOffice
 
 But maybe a good reminder ... Florian, you once talked about a
 professional speaker who might help us. Is there any chance to ask him
 to provide a LibreOffice sound recording that we can make available on
 the branding pages and on the website. What do you think?

Branding pages are too obscure a place to be even noticed.
Most users will not be interested in branding. So placing the file won't serve 
the purpose.

This is more like introducing ourselves at the first meeting. (Hi! I am 
Christoph.)
That's a clue to the other guy about how to address you: Christoph or Chris, or 
anything YOU prefer.

Similarly, the Home page is the best place to introduce the LibreOffice sound.
(In the form of (a) sound file AND (b) the pronunciation key)
No visitor will miss it.

Don't forget the WikiPedia: It can spread the correct pronunciation like 
wildfire!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pronunciation_respelling_key

@Sound file:
How about using a text-to-speech engine?

Since the Libre word is not English, it may not be pronounced well.

You can have to change the spelling several times till the engine pronounces it 
correctly.



It would be better if the sound file contains a female and a male voice 
repeating the name.
Some people (especially aged 40+) have difficulty in hearing a particular 
frequency range.
This will help them.

Of course, a single sound file serves all websites around the World. 
We can make it available (CC license) to Wikipedia.

Also plan to distribute it to non-affiliated host sites that 
review/compare/rate/host software.
(Some important examples: cnet.com, download.com, alternativeto.net, etc.)

@pronunciation keys for the non-English languages:
I think Sophie would be the best person to organize this volunteers working on 
each non-English website.

Regards,
Narayan
  
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Re: [libreoffice-website] pronunciation of Libre

2011-01-29 Thread Christian Lohmaier
HI *,

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Narayan Aras narayana...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Specifically-
 we should put the correct pronunciation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA) at 
 our website and wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libreoffice).
 We should also put a sound file at both these sites for those who can't read 
 the punctuation properly.

I'm no expert in IPA, but I'd say it is /libʁə ˈɔfɪs/

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] pronunciation of Libre

2011-01-29 Thread G. Jay Kerns
Hello,

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:
 HI *,

 On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:22 AM, Narayan Aras narayana...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Specifically-
 we should put the correct pronunciation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA) 
 at our website and wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libreoffice).
 We should also put a sound file at both these sites for those who can't read 
 the punctuation properly.

 I'm no expert in IPA, but I'd say it is /libʁə ˈɔfɪs/

 ciao
 Christian


Me either, but the above looks right.  By the way, I just checked my
post to the Google Translate group and there hasn't been any activity
(yet?).

Also by the way, I played around with Google and it turns out that if
you separate the Libre from the Office and translate in the
opposite direction then the Google algorithm gets it right:

http://translate.google.com/#en|fr|Libre

In other words, a tiny tweak like this might be something else to
consider, perhaps a temporary solution until everybody is organized
with translations, sound files, notations,...

Cheers,
Jay

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Styling of website menu broken

2011-01-29 Thread Ivan M.
Hi David, all,

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 Hi, :-)

 I renamed it Nabble as a quick fix, but really the CSS needs fixing,
 as you say.

I've emailed Christian the CSS/image fix. However, if at all possible,
please try to structure the website in a way that doesn't require a
two-line secondary navigation (I know this is difficult since we rely
on the default system sans-serif font).

Regards,
Ivan.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Styling of website menu broken

2011-01-29 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Ivan M. iv...@patentpending.co.nz wrote:
 Hi David, all,

 On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM, David Nelson comme...@traduction.biz wrote:
 Hi, :-)

 I renamed it Nabble as a quick fix, but really the CSS needs fixing,
 as you say.

 I've emailed Christian the CSS/image fix. However, if at all possible,
 please try to structure the website in a way that doesn't require a
 two-line secondary navigation (I know this is difficult since we rely
 on the default system sans-serif font).

 Regards,
 Ivan.


I am sure I missed this discussion, but what is the reasoning not to
use drop down suckerfish menus?

Michael Wheatland

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Too many tab entries or tab titles too long

2011-01-29 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 29/01/2011 23:29, Erich Christian a écrit :
 Hi Jean-Baptiste, *

 Am 29.01.2011 22:49, schrieb Jean-Baptiste Faure:
 Le 29/01/2011 21:30, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
 In Firefox 3.6 under Ubuntu I need to fix a minimal fontsize at 15 pt in
 order to obtain characters not too small.
 Well - 15 pt as minimum fontsize is really, really big.
 The number is big, not the actual character size. :-)
 :-) I use 16 as standard - and have to go up to 20pt to split the menu.
 (same Firefox with Win Vista)
Strange.
I see on David's screencopy that the size of the font for Home of the
LibreOffice Productivity Suite in the header is bigger than on my own
screencopy. I do not understand why.
 Sure you didn't apply a zoom factor in addition? Even with a font-size
 of 17pt the (top) navbar still fits here..
 Yes, no zoom.
 Did you try ctrl + 0 (zero) to be sure? just curious... cause I trapped
 myself shortly thinking the same...  ;-)
Yes, I did ctrl+0 and checked with and without zoom text only.
Same problem with last beta of FF4

Best regards
JBF

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