Re: [libreoffice-website] Update on Drupal Website Progress

2010-11-21 Thread Michael Wheatland
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Sophie Gautier
gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:

 You do not mean that the sites in different languages will look the same
 with the same content? Language projects need to have their own content and
 do not rely on automatic translation because it deliver very poor quality.
 For the Drupal sites used on the OOo project, we manage the translation of
 the Drupal files on Pootle, so I think we can do the same here. But for the
 content, really each project should be able to manage it's own content.

 And thanks all for your work :)

 Kind regards
 Sophie

Automatic Translation will only occur on things which are considered
'instant communication' such as forums, mailing lists, and such.
The main section of the site (ie product information, support pages
etc.) will be manually translated either through pootle or directly on
the site.
If there is a page which does not have a native translation yet it
will display in english and allow the user to offer a translation
directly on the site if authorised as a translator.

To summarise we will be maintaining the integrity and quality of all
of the 'important' content while allowing cross-language communication
in real time for community discussions. I envisage that this should
break down a lot of barriers for people getting involved in the
project.

What are your thoughts on the subject?

Michael Wheatland

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Update on Drupal Website Progress

2010-11-20 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi,

Christoph Noack wrote on 2010-11-19 11.51:

Areas we plan to tackle next
  (-) Translations and internationalisation
  (-) Regional groups setup
  (-) Extensions directory
  (-) 'Features of LibreOffice' pages
  (-) Social Media integration

In general, I do hear many people talk about Twitter, Facebook, ...
although these are the big players, I miss the open alternatives
here. Any chance to support them as well?

I think Florian (we should call him Floweb 2.0) might have some
experience here. Others as well ... but here I miss the names;-)


thanks for the warm words. :-) I guess including Facebook, Twitter and 
identi.ca would be a good choice. :)


flowebbish greetings *g*
Florian

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Update on Drupal Website Progress

2010-11-20 Thread Michael Wheatland
Thanks Floweb 2.0 and Christoph,

1) We will include more social networks than you can poke a stick at

2) The automatic translation can be done by Google Translate, but it is not
fully functional at the moment as we are still in the design phase, having
automatic translations would slow the site down considerably when things are
being shifted around all the time.

3) I am sure that we could integrate the LibO software so that there is a
template and extension directory much like firefox does. But as you said
that is at least while off yet.

4) As for your Artwork - Design comment, I have asked for a structure of
the marketing/artwork/design/branding/... team so that we can tailor the
site to specific needs but I have not yet heard back. As I understand it the
design/art team wants to be functionally seperate from the marketing team?
Again I am not sure, but once someone provides the structure this will be
cleared up quickly. Also I heard that the design/art team would prefer to
work as a service/consult group for the rest of the community.

5) At the moment the target groups are essentially the mailing list users.
We want to create something that will 'just work' for the jobs that they
perform. We have not really got to the marketing or targeting stages yet, we
are simply constructing things from the ground up to create a solid
foundation to build extra functionality on if required.

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Re: [libreoffice-website] Update on Drupal Website Progress

2010-11-19 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Michael,

being still on the train, I can finally comment here.

First - a lot of thanks to you! Not only that you and all the
contributors work on this, you also provide this neat status
information. To me it seems, that you should consider posting such great
progress to the Planet as well. Just too important and thrilling :-)

Am Samstag, den 13.11.2010, 16:43 +0930 schrieb Michael Wheatland:
[...]
 (-) Basic information about LibreOffice and each application is easily
 accessible and understandable
 (-) All languages will have the same content, some of which will be
 automatically translated so collaboration can occur across languages.
 (Forums, News, Extensions, Templates)

Interesting - and because I am personally curious: how is the
translation achieved? In the last time, I noticed a large photo forum
that also provides translated content. It even takes you a while
(although English to German isn't that hard for automatic translation)
to know that it has been translated, automatically. It works, if people
don't use domain specific terminology - otherwise it gets funny.

Concerning the Extensions and Templates - I know that we currently talk
about the _very_ first step. To think ahead, do you think it is possible
to link LibO's internals with the Templates and Extensions page? There
have been some reasons why this hadn't been adressed within OOo, but now
this would greatly improve the experience using LibO ... Thinking of
presenting, recommending, downloading and installing these items from
within LibO.

 (-) Official Documentation and proposed documentation sections are
 functional, just need some prettying up and filling with documents.
http://www.libreofficeaustralia.org/support/documentation
 (-) Template Library is fully functional - try it out and upload a test 
 template
   http://www.libreofficeaustralia.org/download/templates
 (-) Forums are fully functional but not yet linked with any mailing list 
 system
   http://www.libreofficeaustralia.org/forums/community
 (-) Twitter Feed has been setup under Support - Social Media, Need FB
 and others.
 (-) Community team pages are being setup now. ie website, marketing,
 documentation, artwork

Artwork -- Design ;-)

 (-) Theme concepts are coming along nicely, but we still require some
 experts here.

Here, it would be great to wait for the LibO 3.3 branding. It looks
(according to those people who provided feedback) much nicer than the
LibO Beta artwork ... so it would be great to consider it right from the
start. Basically, the stuff is ready in the SVG file - just needs
cleanup, exporting and uploading.

I think that it should be possible for me to support these efforts
within the next weeks - being more the usability and interaction guy,
than the artwork professional ;-) 

 (-) You can already submit artwork ideas
   http://www.libreofficeaustralia.org/community/contribute/artwork

Being offline ... will have a look at it, later.

 Areas we plan to tackle next
 (-) Translations and internationalisation
 (-) Regional groups setup
 (-) Extensions directory
 (-) 'Features of LibreOffice' pages
 (-) Social Media integration

In general, I do hear many people talk about Twitter, Facebook, ...
although these are the big players, I miss the open alternatives
here. Any chance to support them as well?

I think Florian (we should call him Floweb 2.0) might have some
experience here. Others as well ... but here I miss the names ;-)

 (-) Consulting with the development group regarding idea tracking and
 bug reporting - already started
 (-) Setup a blogroll for the LibreOffice Planet.
 
 If you think you can help with any of this, please contact carlos,
 marc or ben, nino or myself directly.
 
 Also, I think it is about time that we approach the Steering Committee
 with the progress we have made and suggest a Drupal on
 LibreOffice.org launch date in early January. The progress on the
 site is astounding and I think that early January is achievable for a
 fully functional production quality site.

Looking forward :-)

By the way, is here any page describing the (assumed) visitors of our
site? So that the development of content / the site is directly related
to the target groups? (User with OOo experience, User with MSO
experience but no FLOSS information, ...). 

 Note: Development is happening on the English site,
 internationalisation will occur after the English site is operational.
 If you try to change the language you will likely get a 404 error due
 to nothing being translated yet. - First things first. Getting the
 structure right, then the content.

+1 :-)

 Again,
 Thanks to everyone who has done such an amazing job so far. Let's keep
 up the great work.

+1 +1

Cheers,
Christoph


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