[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-05-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|High|Normal

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-05-06 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986
Bug 53986 depends on bug 54062, which changed state.

Bug 54062 Summary: Move Huggle under Utilities product
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54062

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

Bug 53986 depends on bug 54064, which changed state.

Bug 54064 Summary: Clarify description of Wikimedia Labs  (other)
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54064

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

Bug 53986 depends on bug 54062, which changed state.

Bug 54062 Summary: Move Huggle under Tools product
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54062

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

Bug 53986 depends on bug 54062, which changed state.

Bug 54062 Summary: Move Huggle under Tools product
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54062

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|WONTFIX |---

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #20 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to Nemo from comment #19)
 Sure. But do they *need* to be different/separated?

Random local tools for PHP quality in MediaWiki and a webservice running on
Wikimedia wiki content are very different things to me.

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #21 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to Andre Klapper from comment #20)
 (In reply to Nemo from comment #19)
  Sure. But do they *need* to be different/separated?
 
 Random local tools for PHP quality in MediaWiki and a webservice running on
 Wikimedia wiki content are very different things to me.

Different in what way?

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 CC||benap...@gmail.com
 Resolution|--- |WORKSFORME
   Assignee|wikibugs-l@lists.wikimedia. |aklap...@wikimedia.org
   |org |

--- Comment #22 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org ---
I decided to rename the Bugzilla product Tools to Utilities.

Considering the increasing importance of tools on Tool Labs compared to the
tools listed under Tools, and after triaging two more tickets under Tools
that should have gone to Wikimedia Labs/tools or Tool Labs Tools instead,
this seems like the best solution currently.

I've updated links that I'm aware of (see comment 8) accordingly.

I'm closing as WORKSFORME as from my POV, as the summary of this ticket
(confusion between Tools and Tool labs tools) can be considered solved now.

Might reevaluate if we receive further incorrectly placed tickets.

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #23 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to Nemo from comment #21)
 (In reply to Andre Klapper from comment #20)
  (In reply to Nemo from comment #19)
   Sure. But do they *need* to be different/separated?
  
  Random local tools for PHP quality in MediaWiki and a webservice running on
  Wikimedia wiki content are very different things to me.
 
 Different in what way?

Different as apples and oranges. 
You can put them all under Fruit though, if you like it untidy. :)

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|WORKSFORME  |---

--- Comment #24 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
I don't see how using a synonym helps, but Wikimedia Labs vs. Tool Labs
tools was not addressed anyway.

(In reply to Andre Klapper from comment #22)
 Considering the increasing importance of tools on Tool Labs compared to the
 tools listed under Tools

Ah, so you're talking of importance. Usually the things listed in Tools were
considered more important because they are from the MediaWiki devs. However, if
you consider them less important now, it should be even easier to merge this
product to another.

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #25 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to Nemo from comment #24)
 I don't see how using a synonym helps, but Wikimedia Labs vs. Tool Labs
 tools was not addressed anyway.

Could you clarify what the actual problem to solve is, and what your proposal
is (keep in mind that tools on Tool Labs would like to have subcomponents in
Bugzilla hence it needs to be a product)?

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Wikimedia%20Labs
says for Wikimedia Labs/tools:
Issue tracker for the tools.wmflabs.org infrastructure itself. Note: Issues
with tools running on Tool Labs should be filed under Tool Labs tools.

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Tool%20labs%20tools
says:
Issues with the Tool Labs infrastructure itself should be filed under
Wikimedia Labs→tools. 

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #26 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to Andre Klapper from comment #25)
 Could you clarify what the actual problem to solve is,

Sure:

 I agree that having Tools, Tool Labs tools, and Wikimedia Labs is
 confusing.

 and what your
 proposal is

Simple:

(from comment #0)
 just merge it

I don't see any obstacle to merging Tool Labs tools and Utilities;
additionally, all Tool Labs tools could be components of Wikimedia Labs;
finally, if both are implemented, it's trivial to rename Wikimedia Labs to
Wikimedia Labs and other tools.

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #27 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org ---
 I agree that having Tools, Tool Labs tools, and Wikimedia Labs is
 confusing.

...and that's not the case anymore now hence my question still stands.

I don't see an advantage in that proposal compared to the current situation as
tools on Tool Labs are something different and way more specific than
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Wikimedia%20Labs
, hence proposing to set WORKSFORME again here. Or WONTFIX if that's more
appropriate.

If Bugzilla supported more levels than product/component I'd support Wikimedia
Labs  Tools  whatever-toolname, but that's not the case.

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #18 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to Nemo from comment #17)
 So, what is stopping the immediate merge of Tools and Tool Labs tools?

They are two different things: one is random stuff, the other are tools on Tool
Labs.

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-03-24 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #19 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
(In reply to Andre Klapper from comment #18)
 They are two different things: one is random stuff, the other are tools on
 Tool Labs.

Sure. But do they *need* to be different/separated?

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-03-21 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #17 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
So, what is stopping the immediate merge of Tools and Tool Labs tools? I
feel stupid every time I need to file a bug in one of the two.

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-03-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||62384, 55351, 62386

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-03-01 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #15 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org ---
I just killed the dbzip2 component in Tools by moving its one valid and
closed ticket to Datasets.

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Tools

Trying to break this into actionable subtasks:
* grabbers (1 ticket): 
  Added in bug 55351 but as long as it's not an extension I am tempted
  to throw it into the WikimediaGeneral/Unknown waters.
* WM-Bot (33): We have wikibugs IRC bot already under Wikimedia, so
  WM-Bot could also go into its component under Wikimedia. I've always
  been confused how dispersed our IRC related Bugzilla components are.
* mwdumper (44): This is somehow Datasets related so could become a
  component under Datasets?

Harder parts:
* code-utils (4 tickets): 
  PHP stuff. Can't see a good fit somewhere else.
* PhotoCommons-WP (9), VIAF (13): 
  Some external tools, not sure how actively maintained
* [other] (20, two open): 
  Random and mostly misfiled stuff. Theoretically could be dumped into 
  WikimediaGeneral/Unknown or such.

If we cannot or do not want to move stuff somewhere else, I'd propose renaming
Tools to Utilities.

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2014-03-01 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #16 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
Yes to all the component moves above. Thanks for proposing them!

(In reply to Andre Klapper from comment #15)
 * code-utils (4 tickets): 
   PHP stuff. Can't see a good fit somewhere else.

Can go in MediaWikiGeneral and be triaged from there.

 * PhotoCommons-WP (9), VIAF (13): 
   Some external tools, not sure how actively maintained

All these can be moved to Tool Labs tools[other] or live there as components:
they can or should be migrated there anyway at some point.

 * [other] (20, two open): 
   Random and mostly misfiled stuff. Theoretically could be dumped into 
   WikimediaGeneral/Unknown or such.

Yes, WikimediaGeneral will do and they can find more specific homes later.

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2013-11-29 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks||38990

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed:

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 CC||br...@wikimedia.org,
   ||hus...@gmail.com,
   ||krinklem...@gmail.com,
   ||m...@tgries.de

--- Comment #12 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org ---
Just to give quick feedback: 

Yes, I want to start using classifications, and at least evaluate it still in
this calendar year. I'm reluctant to move all extensions one level up, not
because it wouldn't make sense, but because it would be an extreme amount of
work via the UI (if nobody pops up with awesome SQL skills).

So I won't work on the tickets mentioned in comment 11 right away, because
comment 6 (refering to
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Bugzilla_taxonomy ) / bug
38990 is simply true.
I need to spend a few evenings with some beers and a paper printout of
Bugzilla's product/component structure and pick up thoughts on potential
categorizations (e.g. Editing helper applications or something for Huggle and
pywikipedia?). I simply don't want to move stuff twice, but I am also aware
that in history, trying to do it right often ends up in doing nothing.

(In reply to comment #10)
 Tool Labs would not be a component, the individual tools
 (or groups of tools e.g. magnustools) would. Tool Labs as a whole has its
 components under Wikimedia Labs product.

Hmm. So as per comment 3 and comment 10 you propose 
 Wikimedia Labs  $tool on Tool Labs
instead of current
 Tool Labs tools  $tool on Tool Labs
? I'm undecided.

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com changed:

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--- Comment #13 from p858snake p858sn...@gmail.com ---
Tools was for anything under svn:/trunk/tools (eg: styleize.php), We should
probably rename it to something more suitable for the current git eqv, but it
has taken a different direction recently.

We could probably use something like MediaWiki Utilities in the mean time
till we define a solid scope for it.

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #14 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
Thanks for the reply.

(In reply to comment #12)
 [...] I simply don't want to move stuff twice, but I am also aware
 that in history, trying to do it right often ends up in doing nothing.

The three products mentioned above are quite small (or minuscule even) and
won't be a problem in this respect. However, they are also not a blocker for
Tool labs product moves. So yes, please let's not be stuck until the final
reorganisation happens.

 
 (In reply to comment #10)
  Tool Labs would not be a component, the individual tools
  (or groups of tools e.g. magnustools) would. Tool Labs as a whole has 
  its
  components under Wikimedia Labs product.
 
 Hmm. So as per comment 3 and comment 10 you propose 
  Wikimedia Labs  $tool on Tool Labs
 instead of current
  Tool Labs tools  $tool on Tool Labs
 ? I'm undecided.

I'm not sure what you mean here. :(
If you mean moving Tool Labs tools components to Wikimedia Labs as they
are, and add new components there for each future tool, no, it's not what I
proposed but it's also an option.
My proposal was to place components relating to Tool Labs as infrastructure
under Wikimedia Labs product, and to place components about individual tools
(i.e. the things which would be listed in [[mw:Toolserver/List_of_Tools]]; of
course not each of them with an individual component) under the Tools
product, effectively merging Tool Labs tools to Tools product, minus the
bugs which shouldn't be there.

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||54061

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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 Depends on||54062

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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 Depends on||54063

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #11 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
I filed three dependencies to improve the situation the Tools product (and
products in general), just to start:
* Bug 54061: Move QRPedia to Tools product
* Bug 54062: Move Huggle under Tools product
* Bug 54063: Close or move Cortado product

None of these requires changing the name of the product to Misc, while moving
the current components of Tool Labs tools product is probably easier if the
new product has a similar name. So I suggest we change the name of the product
later.

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-12 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it changed:

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 Depends on||54064

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|Unprioritized   |High
Summary|Remove Tool Labs tools|Wikimedia Labs vs Tool
   |product |Labs tools vs Tools
   ||Bugzilla product confusion

--- Comment #8 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org ---
Looking at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Tools
I retriaged the open tickets under Tools  [Other] and created a new separate
morebots component (especially as tickets might be moved to a different
product as per bug 52069).

For remaining components under the Tools Bugzilla product, external links how
to file bug reports would have to be updated if we renamed Tools to Misc or
so (to avoid confusion with Labs Tools).

Affected pages that needed updated links, from a quick search:

* http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PhotoCommons#Bugs_.2F_Feature_requests
* https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MWDumper#Reporting_bugs
* https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:VIAF_inter_project_linking
* https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WM-Bot#Support
* Vagrant:
* * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki-Vagrant#Bugs
* * https://www.ohloh.net/p/mediawiki-vagrant
* * https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-vagrant

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #9 from Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org ---
(In reply to comment #5)
 it can also serve as product for Tool Labs tools if they are
 not wanted in Wikimedia Labs product.

Problem is that Bugzilla only allows classifications (currently not used),
products (Wikimedia Labs) and components (like tools on Tool labs). There's
nothing below that, so we couldn't auto-CC or auto-assign tickets for all those
tools on Tool Labs automatically. Hence IMHO it requires a product on its own
to not make getting attention of developers a manual PITA.

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[Bug 53986] Wikimedia Labs vs Tool Labs tools vs Tools Bugzilla product confusion

2013-09-11 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53986

--- Comment #10 from Nemo federicol...@tiscali.it ---
Bug 53986 is a very unfortunate consequence of filing this bug, I feel guilty.
:(
At some point we'll be forced to make stuff more complex using classifications,
to sort out this mess.

(In reply to comment #9)
 Problem is that Bugzilla only allows classifications (currently not used),
 products (Wikimedia Labs) and components (like tools on Tool labs). There's
 nothing below that, so we couldn't auto-CC or auto-assign tickets for all
 those
 tools on Tool Labs automatically. Hence IMHO it requires a product on its own
 to not make getting attention of developers a manual PITA.

I don't understand. Tool Labs would not be a component, the individual tools
(or groups of tools e.g. magnustools) would. Tool Labs as a whole has its
components under Wikimedia Labs product.

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