Re: [Wikidata] About Functional QuadStore for WikiData (was Are we ready for our future)

[Yuri Astrakhan]

Sounds interesting, is there a github repo?

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 8:19 PM Amirouche Boubekki <
amirouche.boube...@gmail.com> wrote:

> GerardM post triggered my interest to post to the mailing list. As you
> might know I am working on functional quadstore that is quadstore that
> keeps around old version of data, like a wiki but in direct-acyclic-graph.
> It only stores differences between commits. It rely on snapshot of the
> latest version for fast reads. My ultimate goal is to build somekind of
> portable knowlege base. That is something like WikiBase + blazegraph but
> that you spinup on regular machine with the press of button.
>
> Enought brag about me. I wont't reply to all the message of the threads
> one by one but:
>
> Here is what SHOULD BE possible:
>
> - incremental dumps
> - time traveling queries
> - full dumps
> - The federation of wikibase SHOULD BE possible since it stored in a
> history like GIT and git pull git push are planned in the ROADMAP
>
> And online edition of the quadstore.
>
> Access Control List are not designed yet, I except that this should be
> enforced by the application layer.
>
> I planned start working on Data Management System (something like CKAN)
> with search featrure. But I would gadly work with wikimedia instead.
>
> Also, given it modeled after git, one can do merge-request like features,
> ie. exist the massive import that is crippled.
>
> What I would need is logs possibly with timing of queries (read and write)
> to do benchmarks.
>
> Maybe I should ask for fund at mediawiki?
>
> FWIW, I got 2 times faster than blazegraph on microbenchmark.
>
>
>> Hoi,
>> Wikidata grows like mad. This is something we all experience in the
>> really bad response times we are suffering. It is so bad that people are
>> asked what kind of updates they are running because it makes a difference
>> in the lag times there are.
>>
>> Given that Wikidata is growing like a weed, it follows that there are two
>> issues. Technical - what is the maximum that the current approach supports
>> - how long will this last us. Fundamental - what funding is available to
>> sustain Wikidata.
>>
>> For the financial guys, growth like Wikidata is experiencing is not
>> something you can reliably forecast. As an organisation we have more money
>> than we need to spend, so there is no credible reason to be stingy.
>>
>> For the technical guys, consider our growth and plan for at least one
>> year. When the impression exists that the current architecture will not
>> scale beyond two years, start a project to future proof Wikidata.
>>
>> It will grow and the situation will get worse before it gets better.
>> Thanks,
>>   GerardM
>>
>> PS I know about phabricator tickets, they do not give the answers to the
>> questions we need to address.
>>
>
>
>
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[Wikidata] About Functional QuadStore for WikiData (was Are we ready for our future)

[Amirouche Boubekki]

GerardM post triggered my interest to post to the mailing list. As you
might know I am working on functional quadstore that is quadstore that
keeps around old version of data, like a wiki but in direct-acyclic-graph.
It only stores differences between commits. It rely on snapshot of the
latest version for fast reads. My ultimate goal is to build somekind of
portable knowlege base. That is something like WikiBase + blazegraph but
that you spinup on regular machine with the press of button.

Enought brag about me. I wont't reply to all the message of the threads one
by one but:

Here is what SHOULD BE possible:

- incremental dumps
- time traveling queries
- full dumps
- The federation of wikibase SHOULD BE possible since it stored in a
history like GIT and git pull git push are planned in the ROADMAP

And online edition of the quadstore.

Access Control List are not designed yet, I except that this should be
enforced by the application layer.

I planned start working on Data Management System (something like CKAN)
with search featrure. But I would gadly work with wikimedia instead.

Also, given it modeled after git, one can do merge-request like features,
ie. exist the massive import that is crippled.

What I would need is logs possibly with timing of queries (read and write)
to do benchmarks.

Maybe I should ask for fund at mediawiki?

FWIW, I got 2 times faster than blazegraph on microbenchmark.


> Hoi,
> Wikidata grows like mad. This is something we all experience in the really
> bad response times we are suffering. It is so bad that people are asked
> what kind of updates they are running because it makes a difference in the
> lag times there are.
>
> Given that Wikidata is growing like a weed, it follows that there are two
> issues. Technical - what is the maximum that the current approach supports
> - how long will this last us. Fundamental - what funding is available to
> sustain Wikidata.
>
> For the financial guys, growth like Wikidata is experiencing is not
> something you can reliably forecast. As an organisation we have more money
> than we need to spend, so there is no credible reason to be stingy.
>
> For the technical guys, consider our growth and plan for at least one
> year. When the impression exists that the current architecture will not
> scale beyond two years, start a project to future proof Wikidata.
>
> It will grow and the situation will get worse before it gets better.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> PS I know about phabricator tickets, they do not give the answers to the
> questions we need to address.
>
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T222299: dumpRdf does not work with MediaInfo entities

[Smalyshev]

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  I tried to generate dump with two patches above and it seems to work sanely 
except for two things:
  
  1. Lot of complaints for non-existing entities (since not all NS_FILEs have 
mediainfo slots). Easy way to fix it is to shut up warnings. Harder but more 
correct way is to add query filter which would check for existance of required 
slot.
  
  2. T222497: dumpRDF for MediaInfo entities loads each page individually 


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Claimed] T222299: dumpRdf does not work with MediaInfo entities

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Triaged] T222497: dumpRDF for MediaInfo entities loads each page individually

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T222497: dumpRDF for MediaInfo entities loads each page individually

[Smalyshev]

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TASK DESCRIPTION
  When dumping the entities to RDF, we try to load the data in batches, so that 
we do not call the database for each entity separately. However, this does not 
work for MediaInfo, since it has this:
  
public function getTitleForId( EntityId $id ) {
return Title::newFromID( $id->getNumericId() );
}
  
  Which produces database fetch for every entity ID. Backtrace leading to this 
is:
  
frame #0: Title::newFromID(id=13) at /var/www/w/includes/Title.php:471
frame #1: 
Wikibase\MediaInfo\Content\MediaInfoHandler->getTitleForId(id=Wikibase\MediaInfo\DataModel\MediaInfoId)
 at /var/www/w/extensions/WikibaseMediaInfo/src/Content/MediaInfoHandler.php:187
frame #2: 
Wikibase\Repo\Content\EntityContentFactory->getTitleForId(id=Wikibase\MediaInfo\DataModel\MediaInfoId)
 at 
/var/www/w/extensions/Wikibase/repo/includes/Content/EntityContentFactory.php:149
 => array_map(callback=array(2), array(9)) (internal function)
frame #3: 
Wikibase\Dumpers\RdfDumpGenerator->preBatchDump(entities=array(9)) at 
/var/www/w/extensions/Wikibase/repo/includes/Dumpers/RdfDumpGenerator.php:118
frame #4: Wikibase\Dumpers\DumpGenerator->dumpEntities(entityIds=array(9), 
dumpCount=unknown type: 10) at 
/var/www/w/extensions/Wikibase/repo/includes/Dumpers/DumpGenerator.php:295
frame #5: 
Wikibase\Dumpers\DumpGenerator->generateDump(idPager=Wikibase\Repo\Store\Sql\SqlEntityIdPager)
 at /var/www/w/extensions/Wikibase/repo/includes/Dumpers/DumpGenerator.php:262
  
  Probably we may need some kind of batching strategy do deal with it? It's 
different from other entities because other entities can create Title from 
EntityId without DB access. Ironically, the code that uses Titles - 
PageProps::getProperties - actually needs IDs, so it immediately converts 
Titles to IDs. Moreover, I'm not even sure page properties that we dump even 
exist for NS_FILE+MediaInfo entities. So we're wasting a lot of DB queries for 
nothing.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T160281: URL-encoding of external-id values in Wikidata frontend breaks (some) links

[Marsupium]

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  In T160281#5127418 , 
@Jc86035 wrote:
  
  > @Marsupium Have you tried using the wmflabs tool `wikidata-externalid-url`? 
I used it for the formatter URL for Twitch game ID (P4467) 
 in September because of the 
space issue, and it worked without any changes to the actual Toolforge code.
  
  
  Yes, I found that workaround in the end and then forgot to report here. 
Thanks for mentioning it!

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221146: WDQS confuses strings with and without U+00AD

[Bdijkstra]

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  I guess you fixed only this example? I can perhaps produce more. I have a 
list of suspect items, though I don't know how to formulate a query to check 
all labels. And then there are probably other bad labels sourced from other 
wikis and other problematic characters like the zero-width space...

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T222491: Descriptions gadget only working on some item pages

[Chicagohil]

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TASK DESCRIPTION
  Steps to reproduce: 
  Go to https://www.wikidata.org/ with Firefox version 66.0.3;
  Make sure you are logged in;
  Select Preferences
  Select Gadget tab
  Check Descriptions
  Click Save button
  Go to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1473406
  
  Actual results:
  Hovering over properties and items displays P### and Q###
  
  Expected results:
  Hovering over properties and items displays their descriptions
  
  Gadget does work in this case:
  Steps to reproduce:
  Go to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9394
  
  Actual and expected results:
  Hovering over properties and items displays their descriptions

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Lowered Priority] T53172: OpenSearch API for Wikidata returns no results

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Triaged] T222471: {"Accept": "application/ld+json"} causes 500 errors for LDF pages

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T55652: Special:Search doesn't use labels and descriptions for suggestions but just the item ID

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T55652: Special:Search doesn't use labels and descriptions for suggestions but just the item ID

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T55652: Special:Search doesn't use labels and descriptions for suggestions but just the item ID

[gerritbot]

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  Change 504226 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseCirrusSearch@master] Generate Opensearch 
descriptions for Wikibase entities.
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/504226

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221146: WDQS confuses strings with and without U+00AD

[Smalyshev]

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  There's no link, I just manually fixed the data for now.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Claimed] T222471: {"Accept": "application/ld+json"} causes 500 errors for LDF pages

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T222404: Tasks requiring Blazegraph reload

[Smalyshev]

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  @Aklapper the idea is to track all the tasks that need full DB reload in one 
place. Since conceivably these tasks will be also popping up in the future, it 
will not be closed. If that's a problem, we could have separate task for each 
reload cycle, but we've been doing it for search with T147505 
 and it seems to work well. 
Suggestions welcome of course.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T222471: {"Accept": "application/ld+json"} causes 500 errors for LDF pages

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Lowered Priority] T222347: wbsearchentities now returns an error with type=lexeme

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222347: wbsearchentities now returns an error with type=lexeme

[Smalyshev]

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  Seems to be working again now. Thanks for all who helped!

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221063: Request creation of Wikimedia developer account to join existing VPS project

[Andrew]

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  Hm, I seem not to have gotten notified when this was last updated -- sorry!  
The good news is that self-serve account creation is now back online, so Tupino 
should be able to just create a new account on wikitech.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221943: rename Schema-related special pages

[gerritbot]

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  Change 507747 **merged** by Michael Große:
  [mediawiki/extensions/EntitySchema@master] Rename ID field label and 
placeholder
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507747

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T218053: Add caching of node -> MW requests

[Pablo-WMDE]

Pablo-WMDE edited projects, added Wikidata-Termbox-Iteration-14; removed 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221063: Request creation of Wikimedia developer account to join existing VPS project

[Hjfocs]

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  @Andrew : friendly bump. I double-checked with User:Tupini07 
, but no email was received 
regarding this so far.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T221611: improve query map input field in shex simple tool

[Michael]

Michael moved this task from Peer Review to Test (Verification) on the 
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  The part that is affecting us (#40 
, #41 
) seems to be merged. Only the 
part for upstreaming these changes to master is still open, but that part isn't 
relevant to us for this ticket.

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Re: [Wikidata] Are we ready for our future

[Marco Neumann]

looks like you are ready for the weekend Gerard :-) I don't see a scale
issue at the moment for the type of wikidata use cases I come across. Even
total number of triples is plateauing at 7.6bn*. ( of course it's easy to
write "bad" queries that bring down the server). Allowing people to setup
their own local instances with their own triple stores in the future is a
good approach for a distributed and decentralized data management approach
here.

that said a faster and better wikidata instance is always appreciated. And
can certainly be provided. What's the current cost of running/hosting the
service with wikibase+blazegraph per month?

Marco

*
https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/00489/wikidata-query-service?refresh=1m=1=now-1y=now

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 4:28 PM Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> Lies, damned lies and statistics. The quality of Wikidata suffers, it
> could be so much better if we truly wanted Wikidata to grow. Your numbers
> only show growth within the limits of what has been made possible. Traffic
> and numbers could be much more.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 17:17, Marco Neumann 
> wrote:
>
>> Gerard, I like wikidata a lot, kudos to the community for keeping it
>> going. But keep it real, there is no exponential growth here.
>>
>> We are looking at a slow and sustainable growth at the moment with
>> possibly a plateauing of number of users and when it comes to total number
>> of wikidata items. just take a look at the statistics.
>>
>> Date | Content pages | Page edits since Wikidata was set up | Registered
>> users | Active users
>>
>> 4/2015  | 13,911,417  | 213,027,375 | 1,913,828 | 15,168
>> 5/2016  | 17,432,789  | 328,781,525 | 2,688,788 | 16,833
>> 7/2017  | 28,037,196  | 514,252,789 | 2,835,219 | 18,081
>> 7/2018  | 49,081,962  | 701,319,718 | 2,970,150 | 18,578
>> 4/2019  | 56,377,647  | 931,449,205 | 3,236,569 | 20,857
>>
>> When you refer to "growing like a weed". What's that page views? queries
>> per day? Mentions in the media?
>>
>> Best,
>> Marco
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 3:36 PM Gerard Meijssen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> This mail thread is NOT about the issues that I or others face at this
>>> time. They are serious enough but that is not for this thread. People are
>>> working hard to find a solution for now.  That is cool.
>>>
>>> What I want to know is are we technically and financially ready for a
>>> continued exponential growth. If so, what are the plans and what if those
>>> plans are needed in half the time expected. Are we ready for a continued
>>> growth. When we hesitate we will lose the opportunities that are currently
>>> open to us.
>>> Thanks,
>>>GerardM
>>>
>>> On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 16:24, Thad Guidry  wrote:
>>>
 Gerard mentioned the PROBLEM in the 2nd sentence.  I read it clearly

 >we all experience in the really bad response times we are suffering.
 It is so bad that people are asked what kind of updates they are running
 because it makes a difference in the lag times there are.

 The response times are typically attributed to SPARQL queries from what
 I have seen, as well as applying multiple edits with scripts or mass
 operations. Although I recall there is a light queue mechanism inherent in
 the Blazegraph architecture that contributes to this, and I am fine with
 slower writes.

 What most users are not comfortable with is the slower reads in
 different areas of Wikidata.
 We need to identify those slow read areas or figure out a way to get
 consensus on what parts of Wikidata reading affect our users the most.

 So let's be constructive here:
 Gerard - did you have specific areas that affect your daily work, and
 what from of work is that (reading/writing , which areas) ?

 Thad
 https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/
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>> ---
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221701: implement clean up logic in MW DBAL store

[gerritbot]

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  Change 507984 had a related patch set uploaded (by Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE); 
owner: Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE)):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] WIP: Add MediaWikiNormalizedTermCleaner
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507984

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Re: [Wikidata] Are we ready for our future

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Lies, damned lies and statistics. The quality of Wikidata suffers, it could
be so much better if we truly wanted Wikidata to grow. Your numbers only
show growth within the limits of what has been made possible. Traffic and
numbers could be much more.
Thanks,
GerardM

On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 17:17, Marco Neumann  wrote:

> Gerard, I like wikidata a lot, kudos to the community for keeping it
> going. But keep it real, there is no exponential growth here.
>
> We are looking at a slow and sustainable growth at the moment with
> possibly a plateauing of number of users and when it comes to total number
> of wikidata items. just take a look at the statistics.
>
> Date | Content pages | Page edits since Wikidata was set up | Registered
> users | Active users
>
> 4/2015  | 13,911,417  | 213,027,375 | 1,913,828 | 15,168
> 5/2016  | 17,432,789  | 328,781,525 | 2,688,788 | 16,833
> 7/2017  | 28,037,196  | 514,252,789 | 2,835,219 | 18,081
> 7/2018  | 49,081,962  | 701,319,718 | 2,970,150 | 18,578
> 4/2019  | 56,377,647  | 931,449,205 | 3,236,569 | 20,857
>
> When you refer to "growing like a weed". What's that page views? queries
> per day? Mentions in the media?
>
> Best,
> Marco
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 3:36 PM Gerard Meijssen 
> wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> This mail thread is NOT about the issues that I or others face at this
>> time. They are serious enough but that is not for this thread. People are
>> working hard to find a solution for now.  That is cool.
>>
>> What I want to know is are we technically and financially ready for a
>> continued exponential growth. If so, what are the plans and what if those
>> plans are needed in half the time expected. Are we ready for a continued
>> growth. When we hesitate we will lose the opportunities that are currently
>> open to us.
>> Thanks,
>>GerardM
>>
>> On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 16:24, Thad Guidry  wrote:
>>
>>> Gerard mentioned the PROBLEM in the 2nd sentence.  I read it clearly
>>>
>>> >we all experience in the really bad response times we are suffering.
>>> It is so bad that people are asked what kind of updates they are running
>>> because it makes a difference in the lag times there are.
>>>
>>> The response times are typically attributed to SPARQL queries from what
>>> I have seen, as well as applying multiple edits with scripts or mass
>>> operations. Although I recall there is a light queue mechanism inherent in
>>> the Blazegraph architecture that contributes to this, and I am fine with
>>> slower writes.
>>>
>>> What most users are not comfortable with is the slower reads in
>>> different areas of Wikidata.
>>> We need to identify those slow read areas or figure out a way to get
>>> consensus on what parts of Wikidata reading affect our users the most.
>>>
>>> So let's be constructive here:
>>> Gerard - did you have specific areas that affect your daily work, and
>>> what from of work is that (reading/writing , which areas) ?
>>>
>>> Thad
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/
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Re: [Wikidata] Are we ready for our future

[Marco Neumann]

Gerard, I like wikidata a lot, kudos to the community for keeping it going.
But keep it real, there is no exponential growth here.

We are looking at a slow and sustainable growth at the moment with possibly
a plateauing of number of users and when it comes to total number of
wikidata items. just take a look at the statistics.

Date | Content pages | Page edits since Wikidata was set up | Registered
users | Active users

4/2015  | 13,911,417  | 213,027,375 | 1,913,828 | 15,168
5/2016  | 17,432,789  | 328,781,525 | 2,688,788 | 16,833
7/2017  | 28,037,196  | 514,252,789 | 2,835,219 | 18,081
7/2018  | 49,081,962  | 701,319,718 | 2,970,150 | 18,578
4/2019  | 56,377,647  | 931,449,205 | 3,236,569 | 20,857

When you refer to "growing like a weed". What's that page views? queries
per day? Mentions in the media?

Best,
Marco




On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 3:36 PM Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> This mail thread is NOT about the issues that I or others face at this
> time. They are serious enough but that is not for this thread. People are
> working hard to find a solution for now.  That is cool.
>
> What I want to know is are we technically and financially ready for a
> continued exponential growth. If so, what are the plans and what if those
> plans are needed in half the time expected. Are we ready for a continued
> growth. When we hesitate we will lose the opportunities that are currently
> open to us.
> Thanks,
>GerardM
>
> On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 16:24, Thad Guidry  wrote:
>
>> Gerard mentioned the PROBLEM in the 2nd sentence.  I read it clearly
>>
>> >we all experience in the really bad response times we are suffering. It
>> is so bad that people are asked what kind of updates they are running
>> because it makes a difference in the lag times there are.
>>
>> The response times are typically attributed to SPARQL queries from what I
>> have seen, as well as applying multiple edits with scripts or mass
>> operations. Although I recall there is a light queue mechanism inherent in
>> the Blazegraph architecture that contributes to this, and I am fine with
>> slower writes.
>>
>> What most users are not comfortable with is the slower reads in different
>> areas of Wikidata.
>> We need to identify those slow read areas or figure out a way to get
>> consensus on what parts of Wikidata reading affect our users the most.
>>
>> So let's be constructive here:
>> Gerard - did you have specific areas that affect your daily work, and
>> what from of work is that (reading/writing , which areas) ?
>>
>> Thad
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/
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Re: [Wikidata] Are we ready for our future

[Darren Cook]

> Wikidata grows like mad. This is something we all experience in the really 
> bad 
> response times we are suffering. It is so bad that people are asked what kind 
> of 
> updates they are running because it makes a difference in the lag times there 
> are.
> 
> Given that Wikidata is growing like a weed, ...

As I've delved deeper into Wikidata I get the feeling it is being
developed with the assumptions of infinite resources, and no strong
guidelines of exactly what the scope is (i.e. where you draw the line
between what belongs in Wikidata and what does not).

This (and concerns of it being open to data vandalism) has personally
made me back-off a bit. I'd originally planned to have Wikidata be the
primary data source, but I'm now leaning towards keeping data tables and
graphs outside, with scheduled scripts to import into Wikidata, and
export from Wikidata.

> For the technical guys, consider our growth and plan for at least one year.

The 37GB (json, bz2) data dump file (it was already 33GB, twice the size
of the English wikipedia dump, when I grabbed it last November) is
unwieldy. And, as there is no incremental changes being published, it is
hard to create a mirror.

Can that dump file be split up in some functional way, I wonder?

Darren


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222426: Add monolingual language codes rm-rumgr, rm-surmiran, rm-sursilv, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter

[Sascha]

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  The codes are valid (and registered) IETF BCP47 language codes.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T210293: Add language codes rm-rumgr, rm-sursilv, rm-surmiran, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter for Lexemes

[Sascha]

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  @GerardM Yes, this request is merely about supporting Wikidata *content* in 
those language variants, eg. allowing people to enter Sursilvan usage examples 
for a Sursilvan lexeme (see T222426 
). No need to translate the *user 
interface* to Sursilvan, Vallader etc.

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Re: [Wikidata] Are we ready for our future

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
This mail thread is NOT about the issues that I or others face at this
time. They are serious enough but that is not for this thread. People are
working hard to find a solution for now.  That is cool.

What I want to know is are we technically and financially ready for a
continued exponential growth. If so, what are the plans and what if those
plans are needed in half the time expected. Are we ready for a continued
growth. When we hesitate we will lose the opportunities that are currently
open to us.
Thanks,
   GerardM

On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 16:24, Thad Guidry  wrote:

> Gerard mentioned the PROBLEM in the 2nd sentence.  I read it clearly
>
> >we all experience in the really bad response times we are suffering. It
> is so bad that people are asked what kind of updates they are running
> because it makes a difference in the lag times there are.
>
> The response times are typically attributed to SPARQL queries from what I
> have seen, as well as applying multiple edits with scripts or mass
> operations. Although I recall there is a light queue mechanism inherent in
> the Blazegraph architecture that contributes to this, and I am fine with
> slower writes.
>
> What most users are not comfortable with is the slower reads in different
> areas of Wikidata.
> We need to identify those slow read areas or figure out a way to get
> consensus on what parts of Wikidata reading affect our users the most.
>
> So let's be constructive here:
> Gerard - did you have specific areas that affect your daily work, and what
> from of work is that (reading/writing , which areas) ?
>
> Thad
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Re: [Wikidata] [External] Re: Are we ready for our future

[Young,Jeff (OR)]

I imagine the federation of Wikibase instances becoming part of the solution:

https://addshore.com/2018/04/wikibase-of-wikibases/

Along those lines, I wonder if there is potential for Wikibase as a component 
in the W3C Solid project’s effort:

https://www.w3.org/community/solid/wiki/Main_Page

Jeff

From: Wikidata  on behalf of Andra 
Waagmeester 
Reply-To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project 

Date: Friday, May 3, 2019 at 10:11 AM
To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project 
Subject: [External] Re: [Wikidata] Are we ready for our future

I agree it is not clear what is being discussed here. It is growing, but in (my 
opinion) in a positive way, i.e. being accepted as a viable knowledge graph.

Regards,

Andra

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 3:27 PM David Abián 
mailto:davidab...@wikimedia.es>> wrote:
Hi!

Indeed, Wikidata grows and will continue growing. But I don't see
clearly what the purpose of this thread is. Is it to propose possible
technical and financial improvements?

Regards,
David


On 5/3/19 14:24, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> Wikidata grows like mad. This is something we all experience in the
> really bad response times we are suffering. It is so bad that people are
> asked what kind of updates they are running because it makes a
> difference in the lag times there are.
>
> Given that Wikidata is growing like a weed, it follows that there are
> two issues. Technical - what is the maximum that the current approach
> supports - how long will this last us. Fundamental - what funding is
> available to sustain Wikidata.
>
> For the financial guys, growth like Wikidata is experiencing is not
> something you can reliably forecast. As an organisation we have more
> money than we need to spend, so there is no credible reason to be stingy.
>
> For the technical guys, consider our growth and plan for at least one
> year. When the impression exists that the current architecture will not
> scale beyond two years, start a project to future proof Wikidata.
>
> It will grow and the situation will get worse before it gets better.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> PS I know about phabricator tickets, they do not give the answers to the
> questions we need to address.
>
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Claimed] T221701: implement clean up logic in MW DBAL store

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T221612: clear two step process in shex simple tool

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Re: [Wikidata] Are we ready for our future

[Thad Guidry]

Gerard mentioned the PROBLEM in the 2nd sentence.  I read it clearly

>we all experience in the really bad response times we are suffering. It is
so bad that people are asked what kind of updates they are running because
it makes a difference in the lag times there are.

The response times are typically attributed to SPARQL queries from what I
have seen, as well as applying multiple edits with scripts or mass
operations. Although I recall there is a light queue mechanism inherent in
the Blazegraph architecture that contributes to this, and I am fine with
slower writes.

What most users are not comfortable with is the slower reads in different
areas of Wikidata.
We need to identify those slow read areas or figure out a way to get
consensus on what parts of Wikidata reading affect our users the most.

So let's be constructive here:
Gerard - did you have specific areas that affect your daily work, and what
from of work is that (reading/writing , which areas) ?

Thad
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Re: [Wikidata] Are we ready for our future

[Andra Waagmeester]

I agree it is not clear what is being discussed here. It is growing, but in
(my opinion) in a positive way, i.e. being accepted as a viable knowledge
graph.

Regards,

Andra

On Fri, May 3, 2019 at 3:27 PM David Abián  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Indeed, Wikidata grows and will continue growing. But I don't see
> clearly what the purpose of this thread is. Is it to propose possible
> technical and financial improvements?
>
> Regards,
> David
>
>
> On 5/3/19 14:24, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > Wikidata grows like mad. This is something we all experience in the
> > really bad response times we are suffering. It is so bad that people are
> > asked what kind of updates they are running because it makes a
> > difference in the lag times there are.
> >
> > Given that Wikidata is growing like a weed, it follows that there are
> > two issues. Technical - what is the maximum that the current approach
> > supports - how long will this last us. Fundamental - what funding is
> > available to sustain Wikidata.
> >
> > For the financial guys, growth like Wikidata is experiencing is not
> > something you can reliably forecast. As an organisation we have more
> > money than we need to spend, so there is no credible reason to be stingy.
> >
> > For the technical guys, consider our growth and plan for at least one
> > year. When the impression exists that the current architecture will not
> > scale beyond two years, start a project to future proof Wikidata.
> >
> > It will grow and the situation will get worse before it gets better.
> > Thanks,
> >   GerardM
> >
> > PS I know about phabricator tickets, they do not give the answers to the
> > questions we need to address.
> >
> > ___
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T221948: move and adapt the WikibaseSchema documentation on mediawiki.org

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  Did one minor change (as we renamed the configuration variable): 
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?diff=3221303=3219705
  
  AFAICT this looks good :)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222190: Adjust TranslateWiki/l10n-bot configuration for WikibaseSchema → EntitySchema rename

[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507667 did not get merged automatically, so 
there might be some problem…

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T221947: rename extension from WikibaseSchema to EntitySchema

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  Change 507290 **merged** by Hoo man:
  [mediawiki/extensions/EntitySchema@master] Actually rename the extension to 
EntitySchema
  
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  Change 507288 **merged** by Hoo man:
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  Change 507289 **merged** by Hoo man:
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Re: [Wikidata] Are we ready for our future

[David Abián]

Hi!

Indeed, Wikidata grows and will continue growing. But I don't see
clearly what the purpose of this thread is. Is it to propose possible
technical and financial improvements?

Regards,
David


On 5/3/19 14:24, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> Wikidata grows like mad. This is something we all experience in the
> really bad response times we are suffering. It is so bad that people are
> asked what kind of updates they are running because it makes a
> difference in the lag times there are.
> 
> Given that Wikidata is growing like a weed, it follows that there are
> two issues. Technical - what is the maximum that the current approach
> supports - how long will this last us. Fundamental - what funding is
> available to sustain Wikidata.
> 
> For the financial guys, growth like Wikidata is experiencing is not
> something you can reliably forecast. As an organisation we have more
> money than we need to spend, so there is no credible reason to be stingy.
> 
> For the technical guys, consider our growth and plan for at least one
> year. When the impression exists that the current architecture will not
> scale beyond two years, start a project to future proof Wikidata.
> 
> It will grow and the situation will get worse before it gets better.
> Thanks,
>       GerardM
> 
> PS I know about phabricator tickets, they do not give the answers to the
> questions we need to address.
> 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T222444: Create new wdio-wikibase release

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222444: Create new wdio-wikibase release

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  Change 507959 had a related patch set uploaded (by Michael Große; owner: 
Michael Große):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Bump wdio-wikibase version
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507959

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222444: Create new wdio-wikibase release

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  Change 507958 had a related patch set uploaded (by Michael Große; owner: 
Michael Große):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase@master] Bump wdio-mediawiki version and make 
it a peer dep
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507958

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T219894: Create maintenance script for migrating property terms to new schema

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  Ready for review: 
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase/+/507954

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T222449: Make existing daily selenium nodejs tests for WikibaseLexeme green again

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221947: rename extension from WikibaseSchema to EntitySchema

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  Change 507286 **merged** by Hoo man:
  [mediawiki/extensions/EntitySchema@master] Rename db table for id counter
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507286

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Edited] T221947: rename extension from WikibaseSchema to EntitySchema

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221947: rename extension from WikibaseSchema to EntitySchema

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  Change 507287 **merged** by Hoo man:
  [mediawiki/extensions/EntitySchema@master] Rename ContentModel to EntitySchema
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507287

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221947: rename extension from WikibaseSchema to EntitySchema

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  Change 507285 **merged** by Hoo man:
  [mediawiki/extensions/EntitySchema@master] Change link tracking key
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507285

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T218899: Track clicks on “check entities against this Schema” link

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  Change 507285 **merged** by Hoo man:
  [mediawiki/extensions/EntitySchema@master] Change link tracking key
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507285

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T210293: Add language codes rm-rumgr, rm-sursilv, rm-surmiran, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter for Lexemes

[GerardM]

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  Hoi,
  There is a big difference between mono-lingual texts and the use in labels
  and descriptions. The latter needs support in translatewiki.net as well.
  The criteria for that are much more stringent.
  Thanks,
  
GerardM

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T221752: Cognate data is not restored (any more) on page undeletion

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T199409: [Bug] NewLexeme suggester menu appears behind special page tab

[Michael]

Michael added a subtask: T222444: Create new wdio-wikibase release.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T222449: Make existing daily selenium nodejs tests for WikibaseLexeme green again

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T222444: Create new wdio-wikibase release

[Michael]

Michael added parent tasks: T222449: Make existing daily selenium nodejs tests 
for WikibaseLexeme green again, T199409: [Bug] NewLexeme suggester menu appears 
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Closed] T212869: Make it impossible to set the same content in the same language for label and description

[Lea_Lacroix_WMDE]

Lea_Lacroix_WMDE moved this task from Test (Verification) to Done on the 
Wikidata-Campsite (Wikidata-Campsite-Iteration-∞) board.
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Lea_Lacroix_WMDE added a comment.


  OK that's what I wanted to know, thanks :)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Unblock] T76230: [Epic] data quality and trust

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T222449: Make existing daily selenium nodejs tests for WikibaseLexeme green again

[Michael]

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Michael added projects: Wikidata, Lexicographical data, Technical-Debt, 
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TASK DESCRIPTION
  We are running the WikibaseLexeme's selenium nodejs browser tests against 
beta every day[0] and they currently fail every day 
.
  
  As part of rewriting the daily ruby browser tests (which are also failing 
every day), we should strife to make the node tests reliably green as well.
  
  **This ticket is intended to serve as tracking ticket for that effort.**
  
  [0]: apparently they have been added manually, see: T188742 
, possibly by T194252 


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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221752: Cognate data is not restored (any more) on page undeletion

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  Change 507922 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/Cognate@master] Fix all broken unit and Phan tests
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507922

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T220402: Introduce wikidata termbox SSR to kubernetes

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  @akosiaris and @WMDE-leszek I think the needed changes to proceed with the 
helm chart are now done. Feel free to poke me if there is something we missed 
though: we're keen not to be a blocker for getting this deployed :)

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[Wikidata] Are we ready for our future

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Wikidata grows like mad. This is something we all experience in the really
bad response times we are suffering. It is so bad that people are asked
what kind of updates they are running because it makes a difference in the
lag times there are.

Given that Wikidata is growing like a weed, it follows that there are two
issues. Technical - what is the maximum that the current approach supports
- how long will this last us. Fundamental - what funding is available to
sustain Wikidata.

For the financial guys, growth like Wikidata is experiencing is not
something you can reliably forecast. As an organisation we have more money
than we need to spend, so there is no credible reason to be stingy.

For the technical guys, consider our growth and plan for at least one year.
When the impression exists that the current architecture will not scale
beyond two years, start a project to future proof Wikidata.

It will grow and the situation will get worse before it gets better.
Thanks,
  GerardM

PS I know about phabricator tickets, they do not give the answers to the
questions we need to address.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T222444: Create new wdio-wikibase release

[Michael]

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TASK DESCRIPTION
  In T199409  `wdio-wikibase` was 
changed to accommodate a change in WikibaseLexeme. This needs a new release to 
make this change available to WikibaseLexeme during the daily test.
  
  Also, we should use this opportunity to make `wdio-mediawiki` a peer 
dependency. That should prevent the issue of having multiple versions of 
`wdio-mediawiki` installed.
  
  Overall, this is part of the effort to get the daily nodejs selenium browser 
tests for Wikibase and WikibaseLexeme green again.
  
  **acceptance criteria**
  
  - `wdio-wikibase` does no longer directly depend on `wdio-mediawiki: 0.2.0`
  - `wdio-wikibase: 0.3.0` is released to 
https://www.npmjs.com/package/wdio-wikibase
  - there exists documentation somewhere how to do a release to npmjs

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T219894: Create maintenance script for migrating property terms to new schema

[JeroenDeDauw]

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  One thing left in the maintenance script itself: support property id ranges. 
I will work on this today

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222165: Use character limit in Textarea component

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  Change 507919 had a related patch set uploaded (by Matthias Geisler; owner: 
Matthias Geisler):
  [wikibase/termbox@master] Introduce ConfigMixin
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507919

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T222165: Use character limit in Textarea component

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Claimed] T221774: Add Wikidata query service lag to Wikidata maxlag

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  Possible way to do this:
  
  Create `PrometheusBlazegraphLagService` class which internally fetches the 
lag from a given Blazegraph instance like `curl 
"http://prometheus.svc.eqiad.wmnet/ops/api/v1/query?query=scalar(time()%20-%20blazegraph_lastupdated%7Binstance%3D%22wdqs1005.eqiad.wmnet%3A9193%22%7D)"`
 (where `wdqs1005.eqiad.wmnet` is to be replaced by the hostname). That would 
be cached (given we don't want to hit Prometheus often and as we care for lag 
in the 30-60m range, fetching this once ever 1-5m should be fine… this could 
maybe even be done in a Job). We would do that for all known `wdqs` instances 
and then sum/average/… the results.
  
  This value would then be used for adjusting maxlag, as described above.
  
  Things to consider:
  
  - Is going to Prometheus directly the right thing to do?
  - How often can we sanely hit Prometheus?
  - Where do we want to manage the list of WDQS instance for this? (Or I guess 
can we also ask Prometheus for all metrics at once?)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Subscribers] T222426: Add monolingual language codes rm-rumgr, rm-surmiran, rm-sursilv, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter

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  @GerardM @jhsoby These codes are now accepted as valid language codes for 
Lexemes. Are the valid codes for monolingual text as well?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221604: remove control menu in shex simple tool

[Rosalie_WMDE]

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  patch on github:  https://github.com/shexSpec/shex.js/pull/47

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T212869: Make it impossible to set the same content in the same language for label and description

[Greta_Doci_WMDE]

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  In T212869#5152180 , 
@Lea_Lacroix_WMDE wrote:
  
  > I tested it on beta and prod and both seems to work, but now I'm a bit 
confused. Is it already live, or did I test the wrong thing?
  
  
  It is already live and it should work on both. I guess if you followed the 
steps written in the description, then you tested it right.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T218077: Cache MessageRepository in SSR

[gerritbot]

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  Change 507940 had a related patch set uploaded (by Jakob; owner: Jakob):
  [wikibase/termbox@master] Provide a more universal way to cache repository 
data
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507940

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Claimed] T221604: remove control menu in shex simple tool

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Changed Project Column] T221604: remove control menu in shex simple tool

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221752: Cognate data is not restored (any more) on page undeletion

[thiemowmde]

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  FYI, I found a way to fix the broken test. The issue seems to be that the 
test cases all use the same page. The second last test moves the page and turns 
it into a redirect. The last test tries to delete and restore the page, but 
restores the redirect instead. By making the tests independent from each other 
the issue disappears.
  
  To PM: I believe this is not a production-relevant bug, and does not cause 
data-loss.
  
  However: I can not explain why the change 
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/501594 made the test fail. It should have failed 
before as well! This might be worth further investigation.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221752: Cognate data is not restored (any more) on page undeletion

[gerritbot]

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  Change 507922 had a related patch set uploaded (by Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE); 
owner: Thiemo Kreuz (WMDE)):
  [mediawiki/extensions/Cognate@master] Fix all broken unit and Phan tests
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507922

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Lowered Priority] T222347: wbsearchentities now returns an error with type=lexeme

[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  Deployed. I uploaded a new version of this file 

 and added a caption to it on mwdebug1002 to confirm that this wasn’t broken. I 
guess gate-and-submit on the branch might just be broken :/
  
  Adding to campsite board for verification, but I think we can lower the 
priority already.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222347: wbsearchentities now returns an error with type=lexeme

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  Mentioned in SAL (#wikimedia-operations) [2019-05-03T10:02:20Z] 
 Synchronized 
php-1.34.0-wmf.3/extensions/WikibaseLexemeCirrusSearch/: [[gerrit:507847|Fix 
reference to classes that moved (T222347 
)]] (duration: 00m 55s)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T222347: wbsearchentities now returns an error with type=lexeme

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222347: wbsearchentities now returns an error with type=lexeme

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  Change 507847 **merged** by Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE):
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexemeCirrusSearch@wmf/1.34.0-wmf.3] Fix 
reference to classes that moved
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/507847

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T220150: [Story] Clean up unused records

[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  In T220150#5132341 , 
@alaa_wmde wrote:
  
  > I second the post-request solution. Do these post-request jobs exist by 
default in all mediawiki instances? or do other wikibase instance need to set 
it up extra in that case? how are these jobs done in MW actually?
  
  
  
  
  In T220150#5132346 , 
@JeroenDeDauw wrote:
  
  > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Job_queue
  
  
  It probably makes sense to use a deferred update 
 instead of a 
regular job, so that terms are cleaned up as soon as possible (since they may 
contain data that should no longer be public).

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222420: Wikidata links to Commons should appear in Special:WhatLinksHere

[matej_suchanek]

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  Even that doesn't seem necessary to me, the list is already available on 
every file page.
  F28913681: obrazek.png 

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222404: Tasks requiring Blazegraph reload

[Aklapper]

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  @Smalyshev: This task really never ends and will remain open forever? Is 
there a reason there are no subtasks?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222420: Wikidata links to Commons should appear in Special:WhatLinksHere

[Sascha]

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  Hm... in the sidebar on Wikimedia Commons (see screenshot), would it perhaps 
make sense to replace the link to Special:WhatLinksHere by a link to 
Special:GlobalUsage? Currently, there seems to be a usability/UX issue: the 
feature is already implemented (thanks for the kind explanation on this bug, I 
had no idea!). However, people may might never use the Special:GlobalUsage 
unless they already know that it exists. Hence the suggestion to to remove 
“What links here” from the sidebar and replace it by “Global usage” which seems 
to be a superset. (There’s a risk of cluttering the user experience when the 
sidebar has too many links).
  
  F28913508: image.png 

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222347: wbsearchentities now returns an error with type=lexeme

[alaa_wmde]

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  right that's a lot better :thumsup:

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222347: wbsearchentities now returns an error with type=lexeme

[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  > - right afterwards, manually test that MediaInfo feature (edit captions) 
isn't broken in production (that's the failing browser test on deployment 
branch now)
  
  better yet, let’s test that //during// deployment, on the debug server 
(before syncing the patch to all other servers)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222347: wbsearchentities now returns an error with type=lexeme

[alaa_wmde]

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  The failing browser test on media info extension seems to fail only on php 
7.0 image.. we do not have that in production as far as we can tell. If that's 
the case, the risk of patching this in production seem quite low compared to 
cost of delaying this bugfix.
  
  Let's:
  
  - patch in production
  - right afterwards, manually test MediaInfo feature (edit captions) isn't 
broken in production (that's the failing browser test on deployment branch now)
  - meanwhile investigate MediaInfo browser failure (one possible think here is 
that MediaInfo has some commit in their master that might also need to be 
cherry-picked to make this failure disappear on deployment branch)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T222420: Wikidata links to Commons should appear in Special:WhatLinksHere

[matej_suchanek]

matej_suchanek added projects: Wikidata, Commons.
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  #globalusage  was made 
for this: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:GlobalUsage/De-Luftballons.ogg.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T222347: wbsearchentities now returns an error with type=lexeme

[Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE]

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  The patch looks sane to me, and I think broken lexeme search is important 
enough that I’d be okay with overriding the gate-and-submit failure and 
force-merging the change.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T221146: WDQS confuses strings with and without U+00AD

[Bdijkstra]

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  Indeed! Could you provide a link to the change(s)?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T210293: Add language codes rm-rumgr, rm-sursilv, rm-surmiran, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter for Lexemes

[Sascha]

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  @Lea_Lacroix_WMDE Thank you! Filed T222426 
.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T222426: Add monolingual language codes rm-rumgr, rm-surmiran, rm-sursilv, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter

[Sascha]

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TASK DESCRIPTION
  Please add the language codes rm-rumgr, rm-surmiran, rm-sursilv, rm-sutsilv, 
rm-vallader, rm-puter to the list of language codes supported for monolingual 
text values.
  
  In T210293#5155124 , 
@Lea_Lacroix_WMDE  wrote that I should file a separate ticket for this. Also 
pinging @WMDE-leszek on this ticket since it appears to be controversial.
  
  Usage example: Try adding the sentence “Ils tgauns vivan dalla naschientscha 
naven ensemen cullas nuorsas.” as usage example (P5831) 
 in language “rm-sursilv” for 
lexeme tgaun (L45642) . Currently, 
this does not work; see screenshot.
  
  F28910656: image.png 

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T210293: Add language codes rm-rumgr, rm-sursilv, rm-surmiran, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter for Lexemes

[Lea_Lacroix_WMDE]

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  @Sascha To get languages added for monolingual text, you can follow this 
process 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Help:Monolingual_text_languages#Getting_a_language_code_added

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