[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T272442: Add lexeme language codes ccp, ccp-beng, rhg-rohg

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  Change 663943 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexeme@master] Add lexeme languages ms-arab and 
rah
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/663943

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  Change 663943 had a related patch set uploaded (by Lucas Werkmeister (WMDE); 
owner: Mbch331):
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexeme@master] Add lexeme languages ms-arab and 
rah
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/663943

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T272442: Add lexeme language codes ccp, ccp-beng, rhg-rohg

2021-02-15 Thread Mbch331
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  @Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE There is also https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/663943 
which gerritbot somehow doesn't want to link to this ticket.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T272442: Add lexeme language codes ccp, ccp-beng, rhg-rohg

2021-02-15 Thread Lucas_Werkmeister_WMDE
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  @Mbch331 why did you move this back to Peer Review? I don’t see any remaining 
changes to be reviewed.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T272442: Add lexeme language codes ccp, ccp-beng, rhg-rohg

2021-02-12 Thread Mahir256
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  (@Mbch331 in your next set of patches for language codes, you should fix the 
typo in the name of the interface messages for the Rohingya code--both 
"en.json" and "qqq.json" use "rhog" instead of the correct "rohg".)

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  Leaving in verification until this is deployed (could be this week)

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  Change 661183 **merged** by jenkins-bot:
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexeme@master] Add language codes ccp, 
ccp-beng, rhg-rohg and syl-beng
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/661183

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  Change 661183 had a related patch set uploaded (by Mbch331; owner: Mbch331):
  [mediawiki/extensions/WikibaseLexeme@master] Add language codes ccp, 
ccp-beng, rhg-rohg and syl-beng
  
  https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/661183

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2021-01-25 Thread Mbch331
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T272442: Add lexeme language codes ccp, ccp-beng, rhg-rohg

2021-01-24 Thread Amire80
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  OK, got it. Go for it.

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2021-01-22 Thread Nikki
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  In T272442#6768954 , 
@Amire80 wrote:
  
  > If at the moment no particular person is actually planning to add written 
lexemes in them, and codes are only used for linking between languages
  
  I'm not sure how you're imagining the codes being used. What does it have to 
do with linking between languages?
  
  We do already have one lexeme for Chakma: 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Lexeme:L230063 - as you can see, we've had to 
enter it using the language codes `mis` and `mis-x-Q756802` because it won't 
let us use the right ones.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T272442: Add lexeme language codes ccp, ccp-beng, rhg-rohg

2021-01-22 Thread Mahir256
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  In the case of Chakma, there are cases of resources, such as those hosted by 
https://github.com/kalpataruboiChakma/, using both the Bengali script and the 
Chakma script, between which maintaining correspondences in lemmata/forms with 
different representations would be useful. Having `ccp` unqualified (in line 
with the script used on Incubator) and `ccp-beng` as language codes would thus 
not be controversial in my view.
  
  In the case of Rohingya, however, there are disparate groups within the 
community that separately use the Latin  and 
Hanifi  scripts, and among those using the Latin 
script most outside the community (such as the Australian government 
,
 the SBS , and even Milwaukee 
)
 use the "Rohingyalish" system while some others  
may use a somewhat different system. Because of this split in script usage, I'd 
like to avoid courting potential controversy on Wikidata by suggesting that one 
script should be preferred over the others through an unqualified language code 
(especially since the Latin script is pursued by those who may find it easier 
to disseminate for both simplicity and technical reasons). I do not plan to add 
representations for lemmata/forms in the Latin script as personally I find it a 
bit deficient in capturing some sounds in the language well, although I'm not 
against someone else later proposing the `rhg-latn` code if they can enforce 
the use of one Latin-script system over another.

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T272442: Add lexeme language codes ccp, ccp-beng, rhg-rohg

2021-01-22 Thread Amire80
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  Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation!
  
  The languages are clearly legitimate, but I'm not entirely sure what to do 
about the scripts here. For what it's worth, there's a bit of content in both 
of them in the Incubator, in their own scripts. If at the moment no particular 
person is actually planning to add written lexemes in them, and codes are only 
used for linking between languages, it makes sense to me to simply add `ccp` 
and `rhg`. When anyone actually wants to add written content, adjustments can 
be made if needed.
  
  Did I misunderstand anything? Does anyone have another opinion?
  
  > (It's interesting that these questions were not also asked of T271589 
.)
  
  That's because there isn't much to say about those languages' writing 
systems. I guess there is some variation there, too, but it appears clear that 
they are mostly written in the Bengali script (but do correct me if I'm wrong).

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T272442: Add lexeme language codes ccp, ccp-beng, rhg-rohg

2021-01-21 Thread Mahir256
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  In T272442#6765137 , 
@Amire80 wrote:
  
  > The languages are probably legit, but is there anyone who actually knows 
them and plans to add lexemes in them?
  
  Both Chakma and Rohingya are quite alive, and to my knowledge Chakma is well 
(whether Rohingya is also well depends on whether the people who speak it are, 
I suppose). I am not aware of individuals planning to add lexemes in these 
languages, and I have not got in touch with anyone from these communities, 
especially the latter, who are working on documenting their languages (although 
I am open to doing so once the framework of Wikidata's lexicographical data can 
be better explained to them using  examples from their own languages).
  
  I am interested in modeling information within the framework of Wikidata's 
lexicographical data about languoids in the Eastern Indo-Aryan dialect 
continuum ranging from Manbhumi in the southwest to Sylheti in the northeast, 
from Rohingya in the southeast to Rangpuri in the northwest. To this end I've 
collected a number of references about varieties across this region, which I am 
citing when creating lexemes in these varieties, but such references for Chakma 
and Rohingya are rather scattered and less stable than the other varieties 
(mostly books with WorldCat entries and scans).
  
  Rather than waiting for more concentrated and stable resources to come about, 
the fate of these peoples by which time is less certain, I plan to incorporate 
these scattered resources as individual citations on lexemes. I do not intend 
to make my own judgments regarding grammatical inflections thereof--not even if 
paradigms are given in a reference, as irregularities may not be consistent--so 
the lexemes themselves may be comparatively empty (with only one form and only 
one sense), but the circumstances of their use, as well as their relationships 
with other lexemes in related varieties--and also with other languages for 
etymological reasons--can be better drawn out with lexicographical data. A 
first step in making this entire endeavor easier would be to add the 
appropriate language codes for these languages.
  
  I hope my efforts in this regard can serve as a model for those wishing to 
handle other dialect continua using Wikidata's lexicographical data in their 
respective parts of the world. (It's interesting that these questions were not 
also asked of T271589 .)

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T272442: Add lexeme language codes ccp, ccp-beng, rhg-rohg

2021-01-21 Thread Mbch331
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  In T272442#6765137 , 
@Amire80 wrote:
  
  > The languages are probably legit, but is there anyone who actually knows 
them and plans to add lexemes in them?
  
  @Mahir256 Can you answer this question?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T272442: Add lexeme language codes ccp, ccp-beng, rhg-rohg

2021-01-21 Thread Amire80
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  The languages are probably legit, but is there anyone who actually knows them 
and plans to add lexemes in them?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T272442: Add lexeme language codes ccp, ccp-beng, rhg-rohg

2021-01-19 Thread Mbch331
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  @Amire80 @jhsoby What do you say?

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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T272442: Add lexeme language codes ccp, ccp-beng, rhg-rohg

2021-01-19 Thread Mahir256
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TASK DESCRIPTION
  This ticket is to add the language codes for the representations of lexemes 
and forms in 1) Chakma, unqualified (for the Chakma script) and with the ISO 
15924 subtag (lowercased) for the Bengali script, and 2) Rohingya, with a 
subtag for the Hanifi script.
  
  (There is evidence of Rohingya being written in scripts other than Hanifi, 
such as Arabic, Latin, and sometimes Burmese, and the request for the specific 
script subtag for Rohingya is intended to avoid an unexpressed preference, via 
an unqualified language code, for one script over another, and to allow for 
future requests for other script codes when desired by others.)

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