Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

2015-04-23 Thread Thad Guidry
Tom,

Split tool to the rescue ? :)

Looks like the GeoNames ID is for the islet itself...so probably needs
another entity for the Vinga Lighthouse itself sitting on that islet.


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On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Tom Morris tfmor...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Edward Betts edw...@4angle.com wrote:

 Thad Guidry thadgui...@gmail.com wrote:
  I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase.
 
  Some of which is based on List of Lights (NGA) USA.
 
  I have DB conversion data for the PDFs...just never got around to
 loading
  them all in.
 
  Let me know if I can help.

 I was able to match 407 lighthouses on OSM and Wikidata:


 http://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/2015-04-18/match_results/Lighthouses.html


 How can something be both a islet, a nature preserve, and a lighthouse?

 http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3372089

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Re: [Wikidata-l] World's largest cities with a female mayor :-)

2015-04-21 Thread Thad Guidry
BTW, the Freebase ingestion later this summer should help fill a few of
those holes in population and other statistics.  We had US Census, World
Bank, and UN Data as our primary data sources for any /statistics/ of a
City/Town/Village.  Here's Houston -
https://www.freebase.com/m/03l2n#/location/statistical_region and Paris -
https://www.freebase.com/m/05qtj#/location/statistical_region

​The cut-off in the USA is based on Census data collection years.

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On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote:

 On Apr 21, 2015 10:41, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com wrote:
  There appear to be a number of other major cities missing, though I'm
 not sure what the cut-off for population is:
 
  Cities where we have articles for the mayor:
 
  Baltimore, Maryland (USA)
 [...]

 You're welcome to fix some of them. :)

 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/special:diff/208946888/212095823

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata-Freebase mappings

2015-04-08 Thread Thad Guidry
Nice work Haklae and team !

And thanks for making this investment and sharing it publicly.  This will
help everyone involved as migration progresses forward.

Thanks again,

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On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Kim Haklae haklae...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I am pleased to announce that the Freebase-Wikidata mappings are shared in
 public.



 http://github.com/Samsung/KnowledgeSharingPlatform



 Google is already providing the mapping relation between Freebase and
 Wikidata (https://developers.google.com/freebase/data), however, they
 might not offer a updated version. We extract a set of identical
 relations from both Freebase and Wikidata datasets using Wikipedia links;
 several algorithms are also tested to find out same entity pairs. Although
 this approach is limited to identifying all same entities of both datasets,
 it would be a useful source to understand instances of both data sources.
 The source code for extracting this data will also be shared soon.

 The data is serialised using the N-Triples format, and the following is
 the details of this data:

 - Total 4,395,258 triples (same entity pairs)

 - Updated: February 13, 2015

 - Data Format: N-Triples RDF

 - License: CC0

 - File size: 236 MB zip

 - File size: 2.5 GB (uncompressed)



 Feel free to ask me if you have any questions.


 Cheers,

 Haklae Kim

 Senior Engineer

 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
 scot@samsung.com / haklae...@gmail.com



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Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-04 Thread Thad Guidry
Ah, as Markus mentions, since we already have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/
Property:P214

Then the rest of the problem is just a readability issue.
So there is no need for renaming property names as I suggested and
suffixing with ID P214 solves the grouping problem fairly easily.

And Lydia says readability in general is going to improve...just wait.

So, I am looking forward to the site display improvements in the future and
more use of P214.

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On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Best to have a statement (instance of:wikidata database index property)
 instead of trying to do this with the English language label as it is
 easier to localise statement s.
 On 4 Apr 2015 17:23, Helder . helder.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 5:19 AM, Smolenski Nikola smole...@eunet.rs
 wrote:
  Citiranje Thad Guidry thadgui...@gmail.com:
  I think a simple naming convention would suffice (and clean up the
 existing
  ones):  blah ID such as for example:
 
  CANTIC ID
  Freebase ID
  Munzinger IBA ID
  NLP ID
  dmoz ID
  Oxford Biography Index ID
  SELIBR ID
 
  How would you name ISBN, for example? ISBN ID? :)

 And how would this work with translations?

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Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-03 Thread Thad Guidry
Re-reading...

Erik,
I think you mean that the display itself for instance on this page:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q42
would be more useful if all Identifiers were pushed down to the bottom half
or different section, for instance, and keeping descriptor properties on
the upper half ?  (instead of the current mixing of both within the
div.wikibase-listview ?

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Re: [Wikidata-l] External identifiers vs. Wikidata-internal links data

2015-04-03 Thread Thad Guidry
Why do you have to get lost in them ?

Most already have the phrase ID or Identifier in their naming
convention.  So perhaps a better approach would be to standardize the
naming convention used for External Identifiers and make it a best practice
and golden rule during property creation and voting.  A further refinement
could be to enhance the statement selector with an option for ID or WP
ID or Descriptor.

I think a simple naming convention would suffice (and clean up the existing
ones):  blah ID such as for example:

CANTIC ID
Freebase ID
Munzinger IBA ID
NLP ID
dmoz ID
Oxford Biography Index ID
SELIBR ID
etc..


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On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Denny Vrandečić vrande...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there any external key which is not of data type string and vice versa?

 Also, no matter whether this gets done or not, please don't remove
 qualifiers and references from these statements (I.e. explicitly don't
 treat them like sitelinks)

 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015, 17:36 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi all --

 Have we considered separating in some way (in the UI, and possibly the
 data model) properties which track identifiers in external databases vs.
 properties that describe the item using Wikidata-internal links? As more
 and more external identifiers are added, it's easy to get lost in them
 while looking for the right property to describe an item.

 We're effectively already doing this with Wikimedia identifiers by
 calling them sitelinks and it seems like a potential logical extension of
 that concept to group other kinds of external identifiers in their own
 section rather than having CANTIC, BIBSYS identifiers, Freebase identifiers
 or even DMOZ links mixed together with the primary descriptors of an author
 or work, for example.

 Thanks,
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Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata for light houses

2015-03-10 Thread Thad Guidry
I helped with the Lighthouses schema in Freebase.

Some of which is based on List of Lights (NGA) USA.

I have DB conversion data for the PDFs...just never got around to loading
them all in.

Let me know if I can help.


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On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Markus Bärlocher 
markus.baerloc...@lau-net.de wrote:

 It would be fine to have all this together:

 _OSM_
 seamark:type=light*

 _Wikidata_
 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q44782

 _Wikipedia_
 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Liste_(Leuchttürme)
 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Leuchttürmen

 _Commons_
 commons:Lighthouse
 category:Lighthouses

 _Example_
 Wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roter_Sand
 Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Leuchtturm_Roter_Sand
 Wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q220034
 Resonator: http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q220034
 OSM-DB: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/635484478
 OpenSeaMap: http://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=13mlat=53.85557mlon=8.
 08198mtext=Roter%20Sandlayers=BFTFFFTFFTT0FTFF

 Best regards,
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Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

2015-03-10 Thread Thad Guidry
Think... BIGGER.

Jo has the right idea... Linked Data.

It sounds to me like the right way forward for domain specific interest
data (like OSM) ...is,

Instead of 1 source of data (Wikidata)...and throwing domain specific
interest data into Wikidata (not all data needs to live inside it).

Just use 1 source of data, i.e. Linked Data.

Wikidata does not have to be the 1 sole source... and besides, I am sure
that eventually someone could just allow federated queries / joins to
Linked Data.

Perhaps Wikidata can try to be and eventually help build... the 1 sole
QUERY source for Linked Data. :)

(Select OSM_ROADS contained_in Ardennes)

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Freebase's incompatible types and Property description permissions

2015-01-14 Thread Thad Guidry
Back to the original discussion...and summary...

Anyways, thanks to all for summing up the current state of the Properties
on properties which is the 1st step for the Rules enforcement and that
will offer similar capabilities that Freebase had with Incompatible Types.

Also I feel more comfortable now, knowing that the Schema model on
Properties is reviewed and cases of abuse are checked and automated.

Thanks all for answering my questions.

Thread closed.

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[Wikidata-l] Derived Properties (Computed Properties) or Metaschema ?

2015-01-14 Thread Thad Guidry
Freebase originally had 2 modes.  View and Edit.  And then changed to only
an Edit mode (where some properties were no longer hidden)

Wikidata as far as I know only has Edit (All properties are shown in the UI)

Derived properties might work, but only in a View mode.  Or only if
Derived properties where specially marked visually as such.  There should
always be an option to have the UI show all properties.

Freebase's Metaschema is much like the idea of derived properties.  Where
some rules govern the population or assumption of a property value.
Details here: https://developers.google.com/freebase/v1/search-metaschema

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On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 8:37 AM, apoh...@o2.pl apoh...@o2.pl wrote:

 Referring to the NIST classification of semantic relations, general
 affiliation is a different relation than part-of. That's why conflating
 them is not the best idea.

 But this is a minor issue in that context. I am wondering if there is any
 list of properties for beginners, that should not be treated as a real
 part of the knowledge base?
 As I wrote earlier there are two problems with ambiguous entities:
 1. indicating super-properties
 2. inferences drawn with such properties

 I don't question the usefulness of properties such as country, i.e.
 searching all cities in one country or searching all bands that originated
 in another country.
 I am just concerned with the duplication and as a result coherence of the
 data that is in Wikidata. One of the basic principles of DB design is that
 data should be stored in only one place. That's why DB normal forms where
 developed. Even more - that's why Wikidata was extracted from individual
 Wikipedias in the first place!

 In the case of Dublin, country and Ireland. At present we have two
 distinct claims expressing the same fact, that one day may become
 incompatible.

 Being constructive - maybe it's the time to consider derived properties?
 Thus claims like Dublin country: Ireland would be visible in the UI, but
 would be computed based on the contents of the knowledge base. The same
 applies to age and many other properties, that are useful for 'beginners',
 but can be computed from the other properties and rules expressed in the
 ontology.

 Cheers,
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Disambiguating property [was: Freebase like API with an OUTPUT feature}

2015-01-09 Thread Thad Guidry
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P279   aka the superclass ...
seems to have an equivalent property that refers to
http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#subClassOf ???

dunno.

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Re: [Wikidata-l] [Mediawiki-api] Freebase like API with an OUTPUT feature ?

2015-01-09 Thread Thad Guidry
So Lydia,

Your saying that if I see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18614948 as a
property on another Property... then that is similar to the Freebase
disambiguating flag ?

In Freebase, we have just one flag but that is not the case here,
correct ?  Wikidata has (or might have) several such disambiguating flags
via the property on Property ?

It would be nice, from an API and developer perspective, to not have to
discover all those disambiguating propertiesbut have only a master
disambiguating property to work with...a single disambiguator flag, just
like Freebase has is this possible, where someone can go through an
mark all of them as disambiguating ?

My hope is that the Wikidata query service could give me nicely formatted
output for claims that only contain disambiguating property data just
like the Freebase API example URL that I mentioned at the beginning of the
thread.  So hopefuly you guys are saying that is possible via the property
on a Property.

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Relating Wikidata entities to external URIs (was: Disambiguating property ...)

2015-01-09 Thread Thad Guidry
Thanks for explaining Markus.


The advantage of avoiding equivalentProperty in favour of
subPropertyOfExternalProperty
 (and similarly for classes) is also that our definition can be more
 specific than the one used for the external property/class. So we can
 relate our data to multiple external things, which may fit our own
 definition more or less tightly.


Agreed.

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Freebase's incompatible types and Property description permissions

2015-01-08 Thread Thad Guidry
Markus,

Devils in the details. =)

You used the English word associated.  That's great.  Then I would
propose to expand the definition of P17 just a bit to add that.

P17 Country - sovereign state of this item ... to ... sovereign state
ASSOCIATED with this item

Then you save the world. =)

Thoughts ? Agreement ?

Secondly, the Description: (Description :colon:  on the Discussion page
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P17) is defining a Country...
not the description of the Country __Property__..which is the line just
above it.
How is the Description :colon: line supposed to work or be really used for
?  Seems like the Description :colon: line is basically describing the
Represents :colon: line lol.
Very confusing.

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[Wikidata-l] Freebase's incompatible types and Property description permissions

2015-01-08 Thread Thad Guidry
Freebase has mutexes that store incompatible type information.

For instance, in Wikidata I noticed on the U2 band topic, that they have
statements of:

P17 Country - sovereign state of this item.
P740 Location of formation - location where a group or organization was
formed.

In Freebase we have basically that P740, Place where musical career
began.but not a Country property with that sort of definition.

But having sovereign state of this item on an instance of band, seems
weird, and perhaps should not be allowed , or incompatible.  Unless the P17
Country property had an expanded definition of sovereign state (or
originating sovereign state) of this item

1. How does Wikidata want to handle Property / Statement rule enforcement
and Freebase's incompatible types ?

2. How does Wikidata want to handle locking down Property descriptions
(Freebase uses Permissions and Owners), where the complete meaning of
something being changed might cause severe wrongful polluted data ?

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Re: [Wikidata-l] Freebase's incompatible types and Property description permissions

2015-01-08 Thread Thad Guidry
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Thad Guidry, 08/01/2015 18:58:

 Unless the P17 Country property had an expanded definition of sovereign
 state (or originating sovereign state) of this item


 That's more like P27. Both are rather flexible though, see their talk
 pages.
 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P17


 1. How does Wikidata want to handle Property / Statement rule
 enforcement and Freebase's incompatible types ?


 I'm not sure how this is an example of incompatible type, it sounds more
 like a type Freebase didn't have. Handling such differences is possible by
 tweaking property descriptions and adding constraints. P17 is already
 declared incompatible with instance of: human. If you make music band a
 subclass of human, then this statement about U2 will be reported by bots
 as a constraint violation.


Right, Freebase would not stick a Property called Country right on an
instance of a Music Band.  We would put Country under the Musical Group
type, and give it a better definition like The nation or territory that
this item originated from.  Freebase's Properties always live under a
Freebase Type, like Musical Group.  Which is why on Wikidata, even seeing
P17 on the U2 topic page makes me wonder what kind of schema Wikidata is
trying to pull off.  But it appears that someone did not really read the
description page of P17, like I just did, then they would see it just is
not allowed like that, but instead should have used P27, but then you can't
have a date of birth for a Musical Group (band), which voids using even P27
on an instance of band.

I understand, there are many holes in Wikidata's schema currently.  I am
one of several Freebase experts coming over that can help Wikidata identify
those problematic Schema. :-)



 2. How does Wikidata want to handle locking down Property descriptions
 (Freebase uses Permissions and Owners), where the complete meaning of
 something being changed might cause severe wrongful polluted data ?


 There is no such thing in wikis.
 http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiDesignPrinciples
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_wiki_way


But Wikidata is not a wiki in the true sense, or should not be purported
as one Because it is not Schema-less, but in fact, prescribes to a
publicly editable and agreed upon Schema model.

One thing I did notice is that the Wikidata Schema model is actually
composed of both agreement on the 2 tabs of
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P17  both the Property tab, AND
the Discussions tabcombined...give the effective model of the
Property...whereas in Freebase, we would just have the Property, where all
rules and definitions about it are stored (Discussions about a Property
were stored on our wiki and also our mailing list).  I enjoy the Wikidata
way a bit more compared to Freebase, the benefit being a primary place to
see the defines of the Property as well as the Discussion and questions
about it in the past.


 The errors are corrected after the fact; the central control system is not
 made of permissions, but of checks like the constraint violations bots
 mentioned above. What other pollutions of the data you have in mind?


And that is my worry.  That the Schema model is publicly editable at any
time.  And constraint violations are only effective against a Well Defined
Property.  But what if I do not Well Define that property, or worst, I
completely change the meaning of that Property.  Imagine if I suddenly
change the meaning of one of your MySQL table columns... like, PERSON
suddenly becomes FURNITURE.  That can happen with Wikidata's publicly
editable Schema modelif someone maliciously changes the description of
that P17 Country to something very generic like a state oh really ?
What kind of state ?  Nations only ? Or territories considered as an
organized political community under one government.? or both ?  it appears
that P17's Discussion clarifies this a bit, and defines it a bit more
narrowly and would not allow just any territory with a political community.

We have the same problem in Freebase, where if by public agreement, we
change the meaning of a Property so much that it might cause erroneous data
statements, then we deprecate that Property and create a new one, splitting
off the various statements into their proper form and letting the Community
know, and also performing the data tasks to subscribe the old data to the
new Schema.

The pollution of data would happen if by agreement P17's Discussion page
drastically changed the intended meaning of it, then all the data that used
P17 would need to be cleaned up.

How does Wikidata intend to deal with those kinds of changes to Property
meanings in the future ? and the data cleanup involved ?
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Re: [Wikidata-l] Freebase's incompatible types and Property description permissions

2015-01-08 Thread Thad Guidry
Hi Marcus!

Yes, you and I are on the same page.  Yes, I know about the Property-first
view of WIkidata.  No quibbles.  But there is still an issue with
Assumptions for Country P17 being used for an instance of Band...so let's
clarify this...

So, I guess things are fuzzy, because I do not jump to assumptions beyond
the meaning of P17 as it states on its Property or Discussion page.  And
the difference is that you are mentally performing a few assumptions.  It
is hard to train a computer to read your mind and answer a question for you
however.  :)  Its better to write those assumptions (meanings) down
somewhere.

Even for Freebase, we found that Properties had to be described very well
for all to understand their meaning with minimal ambiguity, and I was a big
proponent on Freebase to Google for better descriptions.

So, question since you understand the meaning of Country on the U2
page as you state... Can you please tell me that meaning...and then let's
see if we can transfer your knowledge to better improve P17 Property and
its description.
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Re: [Wikidata-l] [Mediawiki-api] Freebase like API with an OUTPUT feature ?

2015-01-07 Thread Thad Guidry
Hi Lydia,

It's more than that.  I can get labels just fine with props=labels

Ideally there were be a Number 3 a reconcile service, or an API that
can be USED as a reconcile service.

Given a search string of Paris, let's say...

1. Return some disambiguating properties and their labels and values.  For
reconciling purposes, you don't want to deal with codes like P12345 but
instead a human understandable description of the property.
  a. Allow the output of the information returned to be expanded or reduced
by some parameter values that I mentioned as OUTPUT.
  b. Allow the use of a (disambiguator) parameter to output only the
disambiguating properties. (disambiguating properties are those that are
most important when comparing A = B and given a type).  In Freebase API, we
had the option of this as shown here:
http://freebase-search.freebaseapps.com/?query=Texasoutput=(disambiguator)limit=100scoring=entitylang=en

The current disambiguator with Wikidata is actually the descriptions.
Wikidata does not flag or mark properties like P856 (official site) as a
disambiguating property, an important property.  Freebase does however.
It would be nice for Wikidata to begin work on having a disambiguating
property flag (boolean Y/N) like Freebase does.

The closest starting point for a Reconcile API with the current API
structure that I can see is hacking a bit on this one:
https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=wbgetentitiessites=enwikititles=Parislanguages=enprops=descriptions|claims

Btw, that closest starting point, only outputs 1 entity for Paris in the
enwiki... where's Paris, Texas ?

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Re: [Wikidata-l] [Mediawiki-api] Freebase like API with an OUTPUT feature ?

2015-01-07 Thread Thad Guidry
Yes I did try wbsearchentities, and your right, it returns more via a
search operator.
The problem with wbsearchentities is that it is limited and cannot
additionally pipe output for the claims information (ideally important
claims only, disambiguating claims/properties)

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