Re: [WikiEducator] School Collaboration with China schools

[gene loeb]

Hi Leo,
Thanks for writing. I a gathering ideas that you wanted now and will send in
a day. I am redoing my website on technology and the elderly.
Gene

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Wong Leo leolao...@gmail.com wrote:

 ＠gene hi,what kind of training u can offer? do u have a webpage ?i am
 on the road,typing from my phone will write more,maybe talk to u
 ongtalk

 2010/10/4, gene loeb genel...@gmail.com:
   Hello everyone.
  I have been working on elderly issues an now am working on technology to
  help elderly .It  would be helpful to have information or a paper on the
 use
  of technology to helpo or to be used by elderly. Let me know.
 
  I need to get back to our ideas on training and have been identifying new
  areas for trainers to work. Please write me so I can continue my
  communication.
 
  I am writing articles for Marks journal now. contact me at
  gelel...@gmail.com, skype id: gene.loeb1 and cell phone  224-616-7264.
 
  Thanks,
  Gene
 
  On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Wong Leo leolao...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  @ Gene , Tks for the mail and I am always interested in the area of
  traning
  of trainer ( TOT) for myself , I would like to know more abt your area ,
  which subject area you are into ? also which organisation you might be
  able
  to bring some future collaboration either online ( like in wikieducator
 or
  )
  even face to face , even academic exchange program ( bring students to
  China
  ) or bring Chinese students to US are both possible .
 
  Leo
 
  2010/9/21 gene aronin genel...@gmail.com
 
  Leo,
  Very interesting news and information to learn; Hope to be able to
  assist.
  I am also interested in the possibility for the involvement of the
  Training
  profession. Here, in the United States, we have professionally trained
  trainers (the professional organization is the American Association for
  Training and Development). Trainers are training in a college program.
  Just trying to be helpful.
  Thanks,
  Gene
  Gene Loeb, Ph.D.
 
 
 
  On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Wong Leo leolao...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
Dear all WE
 
  I am currently helping with a school in China , Suzhou , called GEM (
  *GEM
  is an education management group developing business, management,
  software 
  technology education in China and Southeast Asia) *
  We are also developing programs with other countries as well ,
  For example we bring French students now to China every year
  view more http://gem-group.com/colleges-frameset3.htm
 
  For k1-12 we have developed a Elephant conservation program which
  involved students from US China German and Iran to participate , so
 far
  we
  have done this creative program in 39 schools in China and other
  countries
  as well .
 
  You can know more abt the campus here at
  http://gem-group.com/campus-frameset3.htm
 
  For wikieducator , I am still thinking abt how we can use this
 platform
  to start to create the curriclum and teaching material among teachers
  and
  students , welcome any feedback on this are
 
  Is there any best practices model in WE already ?
 
  Also , if you are working in a Non-China envoirment , who wish to
 expand
  your teacher and staff horizon by coming to China
  Feel free to contact me
 
  Leo
 
 
  --
  Leo Wong
  Co-director of HELP in China
  --
  http://helpsuzhou.blogbus.com/ HELP
  There is something very special and powerful about engaging directly
  with
  the real teacher and real Kids
 
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Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

[Joyce . McKnight]

Hi Wayne: I know I am late in inquiring about this, but I am a little confused about how the publisher will gain from offering this book under a free license. The reason I am asking is that I am under contract to write a comprehensive community organizing textbook for Pearson/Allyn and Bacon a very large US publisher. My editor has offered me her time and wonderful resources that I could not possibly have had were I doing this project on my own and I don't begrudge them their fair share of any proceeds, but I would like my work to be readily available especially in developing countries, so I am confused about how I might meet my publisher's needs to make a reasonable return on all they have invested in the book and in me as a writer while still being fair to indigent readers. I hope this question makes sense. Joyce McKnight SUNY/Empire State College, Member of the OER Foundation. -wikieduca...@googlegroups.com wrote: -To: wikieducator@googlegroups.comFrom: Wayne Mackintosh Sent by: wikieducator@googlegroups.comDate: 09/14/2010 01:03AMSubject: Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When publishers don't do what they say they intend to doHi Gene,Thanks for the note -- with every mistake (and I believe the publishers have made an honest mistake) there is a learning experience. Together we can make the world a better place -- and the open web and free content licensing can help. There is a place for everyone in the sun -- even publishers who can earn a living through publishing free content.
The embarrassing point is that my name is now published under a non-commercial license :-(. However -- let's turn an honest mistake into a success for all involved. I have just received an email from the publisher requesting that we connect for a skype conversation later this evening. I will suggest that they drop the NC restriction and release the work under a CC-BY-SA license.
That would be a smart move for them imho --- the "free" advertising resulting from a move like that would push and promote sales.We'll see what happens.CheersWayne
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:55 PM, gene aronin genel...@gmail.com wrote:
Wayne,This was an exceptional commentary of your dilemma, because it 1)demonstrated what "creative commons" was all about, and 2) demonstrated, through your honesty and forthrightness the importance of this idea. Demonstrate by example. Good for you, Wayne. 

GeneOn Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:28 PM, aprasad aplett...@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Dr. Wayne,

I can imagine how humiliating the situation to you. Hope the publishers will come out with an erratum. 
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone, Never a dull moment in the free culture world. Ordinarily -- I would not post public notifications around potential misunderstandings or oversights by a publisher. However, I find myself facing an ethical dilemma. Particularly since today I'm been commenting considerably on my personal ethics and views associated with the non-commercial restriction on our national New Zealand MLE list. 



I was recently invited to write the forward for a new publication -- a book of tweets on open text books. Great idea, very cool and appropriate for our times. In response to the invite, my very first question was was:



"More than happy to provide a "tweet" -- what license will you be publishing the book under?"Response:"We will be doing this under Creative Commons - Attribution - Share Alike license- http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/



That is the current plan. Any interest in co-authoring?"My response:"I always check that anything I write is published under a free cultural works approved license :-) I would love to co-author"



So I do my bit, read the text, write a short forward and contribute a tweet. I now see that the book has been published under a CC-BY-NC-SA license -- which is very unfortunate, because I think its a great text and it seems that there has been an oversight in attributing my contributions under a license which meets the free cultural works definition which was a condition of my contribution. (See: http://www.happyabout.com/thinkaha/opentextbooktweet01.php). I've asked the publishes to print and distribute an erratum indicating that my personal contributions are licensed under CC-BY-SA on the basis of our original agreement. I'm confident that they will do the right thing.



When I submitted my tweet, I wrote:"This is licensed under CC-BY which will enable a derivative under CC-BY-SA." I did this work during official time, and my employers IP policy requires that I release my work under a default CC-BY license."



If there were any communications from the publisher in the interim about changing the license -- I missed these ;-(. Moreover, for the record, I would not have agreed to having anything I write published under an NC license. 



It's ironic that while the book carries a NC restriction 

Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

[Savithri Singh]

Hi Wayne,

Its your commitment to the 'open' cause that has people like me hooked!!  I
draw a lot of strength from the clear path you tread.  Lets hope by now
things are sorted out.

Savithri

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:57 AM, joyce.mckni...@esc.edu wrote:

 Hi Wayne:   I know I am late in inquiring about this, but I am a little
 confused about how the publisher will gain from offering this book under a
 free license.  The reason I am asking is that I am under contract to write a
 comprehensive community organizing textbook for Pearson/Allyn and Bacon a
 very large US publisher.   My editor has offered me her time and wonderful
 resources that I could not possibly have had were I doing this project on my
 own and I don't begrudge them their fair share of any proceeds, but I would
 like my work to be readily available especially in developing countries, so
 I am confused about how I might meet my publisher's needs to make a
 reasonable return on all they have invested in the book and in me as a
 writer while still being fair to indigent readers.I hope this question
 makes sense.   Joyce McKnight SUNY/Empire State College, Member of the OER
 Foundation.

 -wikieduca...@googlegroups.com wrote: -

 To: wikieducator@googlegroups.com
 From: Wayne Mackintosh
 Sent by: wikieducator@googlegroups.com
 Date: 09/14/2010 01:03AM
 Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When
 publishers don't do what they say they intend to do


 Hi Gene,

 Thanks for the note -- with every mistake (and I believe the publishers
 have made an honest mistake) there is a learning experience.

 Together we can make the world a better place -- and the open web and free
 content licensing can help. There is a place for everyone in the sun -- even
 publishers who can earn a living through publishing free content.

 The embarrassing point is that my name is now published under a
 non-commercial license :-(. However -- let's turn an honest mistake into a
 success for all involved. I have just received an email from the publisher
 requesting that we connect for a skype conversation later this evening. I
 will suggest that they drop the NC restriction and release the work under a
 CC-BY-SA license.

 That would be a smart move for them imho --- the free advertising
 resulting from a move like that would push and promote sales.

 We'll see what happens.

 Cheers
 Wayne

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:55 PM, gene aronin genel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wayne,
 This was an exceptional commentary of your dilemma, because it
 1)demonstrated what creative commons was all about, and 2) demonstrated,
 through your honesty and forthrightness the importance of this idea.
 Demonstrate by example. Good for you, Wayne.

 Gene


 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:28 PM, aprasad aplett...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Dr. Wayne,

 I can imagine how humiliating the situation to you. Hope the publishers
 will come out with an erratum.

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Wayne Mackintosh 
 mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Never a dull moment in the free culture world. Ordinarily -- I would not
 post public notifications around potential misunderstandings or oversights
 by a publisher. However, I find myself facing an ethical dilemma.
 Particularly since today I'm been commenting considerably on my personal
 ethics and views associated with the non-commercial restriction on our
 national New Zealand MLE list.

 I was recently invited to write the forward for a new publication -- a
 book of tweets on open text books. Great idea, very cool and appropriate 
 for
 our times. In response to the invite, my very first question was was:

 More than happy to provide a tweet -- what license will you be
 publishing the book under?

 Response:

 We will be doing this under Creative Commons - Attribution - Share
 Alike license- http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/
 That is the current plan.  Any interest in co-authoring?

 My response:

 I always check that anything I write is published under a free cultural
 works approved license :-)  I would love to co-author

 So I do my bit, read the text, write a short forward and contribute a
 tweet.  I now see that the book has been published under a CC-BY-NC-SA
 license -- which is very unfortunate, because I think its a great text and
 it seems that there has been an oversight in attributing my contributions
 under a license which meets the free cultural works definition which was a
 condition of my contribution. (See:
 http://www.happyabout.com/thinkaha/opentextbooktweet01.php). I've asked
 the publishes to print and distribute an erratum indicating that my 
 personal
 contributions are licensed under CC-BY-SA on the basis of our original
 agreement. I'm confident that they will do the right thing.

 When I submitted my tweet, I wrote:

 This is licensed under CC-BY which will enable a derivative under
 CC-BY-SA.  I did this work during official time, and my employers IP 
 policy
 requires 

Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

[Sebastian Panakal]

Friends,

Every mistake is a learning experience I love it. I appreciate the open
and friendly attitude of WE. I am trying hard to be worthy of this
community.

Cheers
Sebastian Panakal

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:57 AM, joyce.mckni...@esc.edu wrote:

 Hi Wayne:   I know I am late in inquiring about this, but I am a little
 confused about how the publisher will gain from offering this book under a
 free license.  The reason I am asking is that I am under contract to write a
 comprehensive community organizing textbook for Pearson/Allyn and Bacon a
 very large US publisher.   My editor has offered me her time and wonderful
 resources that I could not possibly have had were I doing this project on my
 own and I don't begrudge them their fair share of any proceeds, but I would
 like my work to be readily available especially in developing countries, so
 I am confused about how I might meet my publisher's needs to make a
 reasonable return on all they have invested in the book and in me as a
 writer while still being fair to indigent readers.I hope this question
 makes sense.   Joyce McKnight SUNY/Empire State College, Member of the OER
 Foundation.

 -wikieduca...@googlegroups.com wrote: -

 To: wikieducator@googlegroups.com
 From: Wayne Mackintosh
 Sent by: wikieducator@googlegroups.com
 Date: 09/14/2010 01:03AM
 Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When
 publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

 Hi Gene,

 Thanks for the note -- with every mistake (and I believe the publishers
 have made an honest mistake) there is a learning experience.

 Together we can make the world a better place -- and the open web and free
 content licensing can help. There is a place for everyone in the sun -- even
 publishers who can earn a living through publishing free content.

 The embarrassing point is that my name is now published under a
 non-commercial license :-(. However -- let's turn an honest mistake into a
 success for all involved. I have just received an email from the publisher
 requesting that we connect for a skype conversation later this evening. I
 will suggest that they drop the NC restriction and release the work under a
 CC-BY-SA license.

 That would be a smart move for them imho --- the free advertising
 resulting from a move like that would push and promote sales.

 We'll see what happens.

 Cheers
 Wayne

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:55 PM, gene aronin genel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wayne,
 This was an exceptional commentary of your dilemma, because it
 1)demonstrated what creative commons was all about, and 2) demonstrated,
 through your honesty and forthrightness the importance of this idea.
 Demonstrate by example. Good for you, Wayne.

 Gene


 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:28 PM, aprasad aplett...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Dr. Wayne,

 I can imagine how humiliating the situation to you. Hope the publishers
 will come out with an erratum.

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Wayne Mackintosh 
 mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Never a dull moment in the free culture world. Ordinarily -- I would not
 post public notifications around potential misunderstandings or oversights
 by a publisher. However, I find myself facing an ethical dilemma.
 Particularly since today I'm been commenting considerably on my personal
 ethics and views associated with the non-commercial restriction on our
 national New Zealand MLE list.

 I was recently invited to write the forward for a new publication -- a
 book of tweets on open text books. Great idea, very cool and appropriate 
 for
 our times. In response to the invite, my very first question was was:

 More than happy to provide a tweet -- what license will you be
 publishing the book under?

 Response:

 We will be doing this under Creative Commons - Attribution - Share
 Alike license- http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/
 That is the current plan.  Any interest in co-authoring?

 My response:

 I always check that anything I write is published under a free cultural
 works approved license :-)  I would love to co-author

 So I do my bit, read the text, write a short forward and contribute a
 tweet.  I now see that the book has been published under a CC-BY-NC-SA
 license -- which is very unfortunate, because I think its a great text and
 it seems that there has been an oversight in attributing my contributions
 under a license which meets the free cultural works definition which was a
 condition of my contribution. (See:
 http://www.happyabout.com/thinkaha/opentextbooktweet01.php). I've asked
 the publishes to print and distribute an erratum indicating that my 
 personal
 contributions are licensed under CC-BY-SA on the basis of our original
 agreement. I'm confident that they will do the right thing.

 When I submitted my tweet, I wrote:

 This is licensed under CC-BY which will enable a derivative under
 CC-BY-SA.  I did this work during official time, and my employers IP 
 policy
 requires that I 

Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

[Stephen Downes]

What's interesting is that the publisher has sold a product to you, but 
has you convinced that someone else should pay for it. It becomes a 
dilemma because you can't think of a way to get these other to pay for 
something you received for free without subscribing to the whole model 
of proprietary publishing.


But reanalyze...

-- you say you could not have gotten these services for free, but is 
this true? The internet is probably the greatest place to test your 
ideas and get comments on multiple drafts of materials - all for free. 
You'll find friends on the internet too, just like your publisher 
pretended to be. If you really don't begrudge them being paid for their 
work, pay them. Don't assume it's some reader's responsibility to pay 
for your professional support services.
-- it's not clear in any case that you should be writing a book on your 
own if you doin't have the skills to do it -- you're just abetting the 
publisher's corporate agenda, and no doubt passing along a little of 
their marketing message disguised as your ideas but contributed by their 
editorial input -- maybe it would have been better to gain experience by 
contributing to a collaborative project where the necessary skills are 
present -- like, say, Wikieducator
-- finally, there are many ways autghors and publishers can earn from 
the publication of open access work - and you can also earn by offering 
other services, such as speaking, consulting, mentoring, and other 
support, which are all supported by your writing


-- Stephen



On 10-10-04 5:27 PM, joyce.mckni...@esc.edu wrote:
Hi Wayne:   I know I am late in inquiring about this, but I am a 
little confused about how the publisher will gain from offering this 
book under a free license.  The reason I am asking is that I am under 
contract to write a comprehensive community organizing textbook for 
Pearson/Allyn and Bacon a very large US publisher.   My editor has 
offered me her time and wonderful resources that I could not possibly 
have had were I doing this project on my own and I don't begrudge them 
their fair share of any proceeds, but I would like my work to be 
readily available especially in developing countries, so I am confused 
about how I might meet my publisher's needs to make a reasonable 
return on all they have invested in the book and in me as a writer 
while still being fair to indigent readers.I hope this question 
makes sense.   Joyce McKnight SUNY/Empire State College, Member of the 
OER Foundation.


-wikieduca...@googlegroups.com wrote: -

To: wikieducator@googlegroups.com
From: Wayne Mackintosh
Sent by: wikieducator@googlegroups.com
Date: 09/14/2010 01:03AM
Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)-
When publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

Hi Gene,

Thanks for the note -- with every mistake (and I believe the
publishers have made an honest mistake) there is a learning
experience.

Together we can make the world a better place -- and the open web
and free content licensing can help. There is a place for everyone
in the sun -- even publishers who can earn a living through
publishing free content.

The embarrassing point is that my name is now published under a
non-commercial license :-(. However -- let's turn an honest
mistake into a success for all involved. I have just received an
email from the publisher requesting that we connect for a skype
conversation later this evening. I will suggest that they drop the
NC restriction and release the work under a CC-BY-SA license.

That would be a smart move for them imho --- the free
advertising resulting from a move like that would push and promote
sales.

We'll see what happens.

Cheers
Wayne

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:55 PM, gene aronin genel...@gmail.com
mailto:genel...@gmail.com wrote:

Wayne,
This was an exceptional commentary of your dilemma, because it
1)demonstrated what creative commons was all about, and 2)
demonstrated, through your honesty and forthrightness the
importance of this idea. Demonstrate by example. Good for you,
Wayne.

Gene


On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:28 PM, aprasad aplett...@gmail.com
mailto:aplett...@gmail.com wrote:

Dear Dr. Wayne,
I can imagine how humiliating the situation to you. Hope
the publishers will come out with an erratum.

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Wayne Mackintosh
mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com
mailto:mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi everyone,

Never a dull moment in the free culture world.
Ordinarily -- I would not post public notifications
around potential misunderstandings or oversights by a
publisher. However, I find myself facing an ethical
dilemma. 

Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

[Wayne Mackintosh]

HI Joyce,

In this particular instance -- it was not a case of how a publisher would
earn a living from the distribution of free (libre) content, but a breach of
my copyright.

When I was asked to write the forward -- I communicated very clearly the
conditions of my copyright. I requested that my text be released under a
license meeting the free cultural works definition and through an
administrative error the publisher inadvertently made a mistake in the
licensing provisions.  To the publishers credit - -they fixed their mistake.

I have a number of ideas how the free culture can build sustainable models
in parallel with the traditional publishing model. I'll post further
thoughts to the list later. ... Must run for a prior engagement.

In short, the power of the open web and digital technologies is that the
creators and authors of published knowledge have more options regarding how
their published knowledge is distributed and this can be done in ways where
the creators do not have to sign off their copyright. In other words, in a
digital world, there is a shift in control and autonomy back to the creators
of knowledge. That's a good thing for society imho.

more later ...

Cheers
Wayne



On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:27 AM, joyce.mckni...@esc.edu wrote:

 Hi Wayne:   I know I am late in inquiring about this, but I am a little
 confused about how the publisher will gain from offering this book under a
 free license.  The reason I am asking is that I am under contract to write a
 comprehensive community organizing textbook for Pearson/Allyn and Bacon a
 very large US publisher.   My editor has offered me her time and wonderful
 resources that I could not possibly have had were I doing this project on my
 own and I don't begrudge them their fair share of any proceeds, but I would
 like my work to be readily available especially in developing countries, so
 I am confused about how I might meet my publisher's needs to make a
 reasonable return on all they have invested in the book and in me as a
 writer while still being fair to indigent readers.I hope this question
 makes sense.   Joyce McKnight SUNY/Empire State College, Member of the OER
 Foundation.

 -wikieduca...@googlegroups.com wrote: -

 To: wikieducator@googlegroups.com
 From: Wayne Mackintosh
 Sent by: wikieducator@googlegroups.com
 Date: 09/14/2010 01:03AM
 Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When
 publishers don't do what they say they intend to do


 Hi Gene,

 Thanks for the note -- with every mistake (and I believe the publishers
 have made an honest mistake) there is a learning experience.

 Together we can make the world a better place -- and the open web and free
 content licensing can help. There is a place for everyone in the sun -- even
 publishers who can earn a living through publishing free content.

 The embarrassing point is that my name is now published under a
 non-commercial license :-(. However -- let's turn an honest mistake into a
 success for all involved. I have just received an email from the publisher
 requesting that we connect for a skype conversation later this evening. I
 will suggest that they drop the NC restriction and release the work under a
 CC-BY-SA license.

 That would be a smart move for them imho --- the free advertising
 resulting from a move like that would push and promote sales.

 We'll see what happens.

 Cheers
 Wayne

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:55 PM, gene aronin genel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wayne,
 This was an exceptional commentary of your dilemma, because it
 1)demonstrated what creative commons was all about, and 2) demonstrated,
 through your honesty and forthrightness the importance of this idea.
 Demonstrate by example. Good for you, Wayne.

 Gene


 On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:28 PM, aprasad aplett...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Dr. Wayne,

 I can imagine how humiliating the situation to you. Hope the publishers
 will come out with an erratum.

 On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Wayne Mackintosh 
 mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Never a dull moment in the free culture world. Ordinarily -- I would not
 post public notifications around potential misunderstandings or oversights
 by a publisher. However, I find myself facing an ethical dilemma.
 Particularly since today I'm been commenting considerably on my personal
 ethics and views associated with the non-commercial restriction on our
 national New Zealand MLE list.

 I was recently invited to write the forward for a new publication -- a
 book of tweets on open text books. Great idea, very cool and appropriate 
 for
 our times. In response to the invite, my very first question was was:

 More than happy to provide a tweet -- what license will you be
 publishing the book under?

 Response:

 We will be doing this under Creative Commons - Attribution - Share
 Alike license- http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/
 That is the current plan.  Any interest in co-authoring?

 My response:

 I