Friends, "Every mistake is a learning experience" I love it. I appreciate the open and friendly attitude of WE. I am trying hard to be worthy of this community.
Cheers Sebastian Panakal On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:57 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Wayne: I know I am late in inquiring about this, but I am a little > confused about how the publisher will gain from offering this book under a > free license. The reason I am asking is that I am under contract to write a > comprehensive community organizing textbook for Pearson/Allyn and Bacon a > very large US publisher. My editor has offered me her time and wonderful > resources that I could not possibly have had were I doing this project on my > own and I don't begrudge them their fair share of any proceeds, but I would > like my work to be readily available especially in developing countries, so > I am confused about how I might meet my publisher's needs to make a > reasonable return on all they have invested in the book and in me as a > writer while still being fair to indigent readers. I hope this question > makes sense. Joyce McKnight SUNY/Empire State College, Member of the OER > Foundation. > > [email protected] wrote: ----- > > To: [email protected] > From: Wayne Mackintosh > Sent by: [email protected] > Date: 09/14/2010 01:03AM > Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When > publishers don't do what they say they intend to do > > Hi Gene, > > Thanks for the note -- with every mistake (and I believe the publishers > have made an honest mistake) there is a learning experience. > > Together we can make the world a better place -- and the open web and free > content licensing can help. There is a place for everyone in the sun -- even > publishers who can earn a living through publishing free content. > > The embarrassing point is that my name is now published under a > non-commercial license :-(. However -- let's turn an honest mistake into a > success for all involved. I have just received an email from the publisher > requesting that we connect for a skype conversation later this evening. I > will suggest that they drop the NC restriction and release the work under a > CC-BY-SA license. > > That would be a smart move for them imho --- the "free" advertising > resulting from a move like that would push and promote sales. > > We'll see what happens. > > Cheers > Wayne > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 4:55 PM, gene aronin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Wayne, >> This was an exceptional commentary of your dilemma, because it >> 1)demonstrated what "creative commons" was all about, and 2) demonstrated, >> through your honesty and forthrightness the importance of this idea. >> Demonstrate by example. Good for you, Wayne. >> >> Gene >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:28 PM, aprasad <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Dr. Wayne, >>> >>> I can imagine how humiliating the situation to you. Hope the publishers >>> will come out with an erratum. >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Wayne Mackintosh < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> Never a dull moment in the free culture world. Ordinarily -- I would not >>>> post public notifications around potential misunderstandings or oversights >>>> by a publisher. However, I find myself facing an ethical dilemma. >>>> Particularly since today I'm been commenting considerably on my personal >>>> ethics and views associated with the non-commercial restriction on our >>>> national New Zealand MLE list. >>>> >>>> I was recently invited to write the forward for a new publication -- a >>>> book of tweets on open text books. Great idea, very cool and appropriate >>>> for >>>> our times. In response to the invite, my very first question was was: >>>> >>>> "More than happy to provide a "tweet" -- what license will you be >>>> publishing the book under?" >>>> >>>> Response: >>>> >>>> "We will be doing this under Creative Commons - Attribution - Share >>>> Alike license- http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ >>>> That is the current plan. Any interest in co-authoring?" >>>> >>>> My response: >>>> >>>> "I always check that anything I write is published under a free cultural >>>> works approved license :-) I would love to co-author" >>>> >>>> So I do my bit, read the text, write a short forward and contribute a >>>> tweet. I now see that the book has been published under a CC-BY-NC-SA >>>> license -- which is very unfortunate, because I think its a great text and >>>> it seems that there has been an oversight in attributing my contributions >>>> under a license which meets the free cultural works definition which was a >>>> condition of my contribution. (See: >>>> http://www.happyabout.com/thinkaha/opentextbooktweet01.php). I've asked >>>> the publishes to print and distribute an erratum indicating that my >>>> personal >>>> contributions are licensed under CC-BY-SA on the basis of our original >>>> agreement. I'm confident that they will do the right thing. >>>> >>>> When I submitted my tweet, I wrote: >>>> >>>> "This is licensed under CC-BY which will enable a derivative under >>>> CC-BY-SA." I did this work during official time, and my employers IP >>>> policy >>>> requires that I release my work under a default CC-BY license." >>>> >>>> If there were any communications from the publisher in the interim about >>>> changing the license -- I missed these ;-(. Moreover, for the record, I >>>> would not have agreed to having anything I write published under an NC >>>> license. >>>> >>>> It's ironic that while the book carries a NC restriction -- the >>>> international public can purchase the texts, hard copy or ebook for a >>>> listed >>>> price of $19.95 or $14,95 and see that currently some discount applies. >>>> >>>> Anway -- this is a public announcement that my forward is licensed under >>>> a CC-BY-SA license and my tweet - No 31 is openly licensed under a free >>>> cultural works approved license (CC-BY) in this case. The publisher was >>>> free >>>> to add an NC restriction on the tweet - -but has omitted to attribute the >>>> source :-(. For the record, both versions of the texts I submitted are >>>> licensed under a CC-BY license. You are free to take these texts, reuse >>>> them, adapt them, modify them and if you like sell them :-) >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Wayne >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Wayne Mackintosh <http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg>, Ph.D. >>>> Director OER Foundation <http://www.oerfoundation.org/> >>>> Director, International Centre for Open Education, >>>> Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. >>>> Founder and elected Community Council Member, >>>> Wikieducator<http://www.wikieducator.org%20/> >>>> Mobile +64 21 2436 380 >>>> Skype: WGMNZ1 >>>> Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>>> To visit the discussion forum: >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Warm regards >>> >>> Anil >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>> To visit the discussion forum: >>> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> -- >> With Best Wishes for an Even Better Day >> >> Gene-loeb >> Gene-loeb Aronin, Ph.D. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >> To visit the discussion forum: >> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> > > > > -- > Wayne Mackintosh <http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg>, Ph.D. > Director OER Foundation <http://www.oerfoundation.org> > Director, International Centre for Open Education, > Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. > Founder and elected Community Council Member, > Wikieducator<http://www.wikieducator.org%20> > Mobile +64 21 2436 380 > Skype: WGMNZ1 > Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "WikiEducator" group. > To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org > To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "WikiEducator" group. > To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org > To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] -- Sebastian Panakal www.eschoolkerala.com www.ebalajanasakhyam.com www.youtube.com/eschoolkerala -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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