[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
On 1/11/08, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may be a stupid question, but where does the remote backup occur - is it off-site from where the server is located? Yep, it's to a server in a different data-center. Dumps can be downloaded through the web by anyone with a password (they contain the user data), so Wayne can let other people do copying as needed :-) -- Erik Möller --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Yes, option 2, and a sandbox wiki (development wiki was suggested at the Think Tank) would help to keep me a little quieter... On Jan 11, 2008 5:52 PM, Patricia Schlicht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, I think Option 2 with relevant servers makes the most sense. We would be covered all the way for a while. The sandboxed wiki sounds like a great idea. Room to try. Even though I am not a coder or programmer, I like to keep an eye of what innovations are going on. Thank you all. You have been great. Cheers, Patricia -Original Message- From: wikieducator@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mackiwg Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:50 PM To: WikiEducator Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path Hi Brent Randy Great to see that there is growing support for option 2 ..;-) Brent, - also thanks for your offer to assist with some of the technical support. (BTW have you talked to Wen lately?) Realistically we need to go with a minimum of a 2 server solution for Phase 2. At the moment we don't have a good enough fail-server solution in place. If server 1 goes down --- we've got nothing in place to ensure a 24/7 service. We do a daily data backup to another server -- so our data is safe should Server 1 burn out. I like the sandboxed wiki idea for experimental work and pushing the envelope. Innovation and a forward looking disposition are core values of the WE commmunity -- and in many respects differentiates our project from other wikis in the field. My vote is to explore 3 servers. (Don't tell my finance director just yet smile.) Wayne -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Hi Erik, Congrats on your new position. You are doing great job!! Yes, I'd go along with option 2 too, tho as patricia sez, i am not a techie!! Savithri On 11/01/2008, Erik Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/11/08, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, option 2, and a sandbox wiki (development wiki was suggested at the Think Tank) would help to keep me a little quieter... OK .. I'll try to set things up so we can start delegating access to the server. Wayne, could you send me an initial list of folks who can be given access, and distinguish between * folks who are extremely technically versatile and can be trusted with super-user (root) access; * folks who should be able to run routine updates, given proper documentation. I'll be in touch separately regarding the contract details for the hosting. If we're lucky we won't run into any disastrous downtime before we've set up the more reliable phase 2 hosting *knock on wood* :-). We do have daily remote backups, but if the current server dies, it would take us at least a few days to get back up -- hence focusing energy first on higher availability, before thinking about things like sandbox wikis, would make sense to me. -- Erik Möller -- Dr. Savithri Singh Principal Acharya Narendra Dev College (University of Delhi) Govindpuri, Kalkaji New Delhi 110 019 Tel: (011) 2629 4542(direct), (011) 2641 2547 Fax: (011) 2629 4540 Res: 2584 8151 2584 97862573 2974 http://andcollege.du.ac.in --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
On 1/11/08, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, option 2, and a sandbox wiki (development wiki was suggested at the Think Tank) would help to keep me a little quieter... OK .. I'll try to set things up so we can start delegating access to the server. Wayne, could you send me an initial list of folks who can be given access, and distinguish between * folks who are extremely technically versatile and can be trusted with super-user (root) access; * folks who should be able to run routine updates, given proper documentation. I'll be in touch separately regarding the contract details for the hosting. If we're lucky we won't run into any disastrous downtime before we've set up the more reliable phase 2 hosting *knock on wood* :-). We do have daily remote backups, but if the current server dies, it would take us at least a few days to get back up -- hence focusing energy first on higher availability, before thinking about things like sandbox wikis, would make sense to me. -- Erik Möller --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Hi Erik, Sure thing. I will compile a list of the folk in the super user and routine maintenance categories. We'll hold thumbs that our current server doesn't burn out and prioritise our phase 2 hosting solution. Cheers Wayne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Hi All, This may be a stupid question, but where does the remote backup occur - is it off-site from where the server is located? - Randy Randy Fisher - aka WikiRandy for WikiEducator iCentro Networks Vancouver, BC +1 604.684.2275 www.icentronetworks.com www.hirerandy.com Skype / Gmail / Yahoo: wikirandy - Original Message From: mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WikiEducator wikieducator@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:48:52 AM Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path Hi Erik, Sure thing. I will compile a list of the folk in the super user and routine maintenance categories. We'll hold thumbs that our current server doesn't burn out and prioritise our phase 2 hosting solution. Cheers Wayne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Would be great if the front page had a small announcement about this, and I can send it around our staff. Just one thing though, we start classes here mid to late Feb.. hopefully this project won't be disruptive to the last minute preps or initial stages of class. This would be a big bummer... On Jan 12, 2008 3:03 AM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, This may be a stupid question, but where does the remote backup occur - is it off-site from where the server is located? - Randy Randy Fisher - aka WikiRandy for WikiEducator iCentro Networks Vancouver, BC +1 604.684.2275 www.icentronetworks.com www.hirerandy.com Skype / Gmail / Yahoo: wikirandy - Original Message From: mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WikiEducator wikieducator@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:48:52 AM Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path Hi Erik, Sure thing. I will compile a list of the folk in the super user and routine maintenance categories. We'll hold thumbs that our current server doesn't burn out and prioritise our phase 2 hosting solution. Cheers Wayne -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Our Tourism course will be the first to run with Wikied, but we 'deliver' the course through blogs, so we will try and get the first month's content from the wiki onto the blogs in time, so if there is down time, the students won't know about it... Very good. Good luck. Looking forward to hearing who the team ends up being. I nominate our very own Brent Simpson to in the mix of course :) On Jan 12, 2008 10:24 AM, mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good idea about a front page announcement. COL and the community will be doing everything we can to ensure that there are no disruptions to the service. Under the circumstances -- we cannot provide a 100% guarantee for uptime. There is a small risk (albeit a small one) that our server can go down. If for example, the CPU chip burns out -- it will take us a few days to get back up and running. I'll check with Erik if its feasible to make a regular data dump of the database over and above our daily backup -- and figure out how best to make this available for folk to download in the unfortunate event of hardware failure. You could then have an alternative strategy in place in the event that something goes wrong on this end. I agree -- it would be a bummer if the server burns out. Lets figure out the best way to deal with your needs. Cheers Wayne On Jan 11, 11:18 am, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would be great if the front page had a small announcement about this, and I can send it around our staff. Just one thing though, we start classes here mid to late Feb.. hopefully this project won't be disruptive to the last minute preps or initial stages of class. This would be a big bummer... On Jan 12, 2008 3:03 AM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, This may be a stupid question, but where does the remote backup occur - is it off-site from where the server is located? - Randy Randy Fisher - aka WikiRandy for WikiEducator iCentro Networks Vancouver, BC +1 604.684.2275 www.icentronetworks.com www.hirerandy.com Skype / Gmail / Yahoo: wikirandy - Original Message From: mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WikiEducator wikieducator@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:48:52 AM Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path Hi Erik, Sure thing. I will compile a list of the folk in the super user and routine maintenance categories. We'll hold thumbs that our current server doesn't burn out and prioritise our phase 2 hosting solution. Cheers Wayne -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalposthttp://learnonline.wordpress.com -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Aaah - But does Brent use open source software? That's a minimum requirement for any nominations smile. I see Brent has already offered to help and he'll definitely be on the list. If I remember correctly Brent was the 2nd registered account on WE -- he has been with us since the very beginnings on a desktop machine down in Auckland before we moved to a hosted solution. Wayne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Well, Brent is the one that has got me up and running with Ubuntu... its great having him close by in the chat box. A very responsive guy that seems to know a little about a great many things. He was second on the user list, and nearly always first with practical responses to problems posted to the email list. I bet he's blushing right now :) On Jan 12, 2008 10:45 AM, mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaah - But does Brent use open source software? That's a minimum requirement for any nominations smile. I see Brent has already offered to help and he'll definitely be on the list. If I remember correctly Brent was the 2nd registered account on WE -- he has been with us since the very beginnings on a desktop machine down in Auckland before we moved to a hosted solution. Wayne -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
aw gee... thanks :-) brent. On Jan 12, 2008 10:50 AM, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Brent is the one that has got me up and running with Ubuntu... its great having him close by in the chat box. A very responsive guy that seems to know a little about a great many things. He was second on the user list, and nearly always first with practical responses to problems posted to the email list. I bet he's blushing right now :) On Jan 12, 2008 10:45 AM, mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaah - But does Brent use open source software? That's a minimum requirement for any nominations smile. I see Brent has already offered to help and he'll definitely be on the list. If I remember correctly Brent was the 2nd registered account on WE -- he has been with us since the very beginnings on a desktop machine down in Auckland before we moved to a hosted solution. Wayne skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com -- http://digitalsynapse.co.nz http://greymatter.co.nz --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Hi, I'd have to concur with Option 2, especially if you factor in Wayne's dream that each educational institution nominate 1-2 people per institution to work on WikiEducator. This would additionally provide a 'safe' testing environment for the educational institutions themselves. - Randy Randy Fisher - aka WikiRandy for WikiEducator iCentro Networks Vancouver, BC +1 604.684.2275 www.icentronetworks.com www.hirerandy.com Skype / Gmail / Yahoo: wikirandy - Original Message From: Brent [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wikieducator@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:54:12 PM Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path I'd like to explore option 2 as well and would be willing to offer up some time to support the maintenance of a MediaWiki ... i've done a few before so am pretty well versed in the basics of installing extensions, etc. I'd also like to propose that if possible given the experimental and innovative approach of our community towards exploring the potential of the platform that we run a kind of 'sandboxed' wiki as well to play around with and explore extensions, bots, etc on before throwing them on the live WikiEd platform. So perhaps 2 servers? :-) brent. 1) COL goes to tender with for an external hosting company to provide the services we require. 2) We look for a community-based solution where volunteers assist with maintenance and installation of the WE servers (COL will cover the costs of leasing the servers and we can explore creative solutions to assist with some of the costs.) My personal preference is for option 2 -- I'm sure that there are many education institutions that have resident expertise that can assist in this regard. Community projects are more successful when they are owned and run by the community. Cheers Wayne -- http://digitalsynapse.co.nz http://greymatter.co.nz Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
I'd like to explore option 2 as well and would be willing to offer up some time to support the maintenance of a MediaWiki ... i've done a few before so am pretty well versed in the basics of installing extensions, etc. I'd also like to propose that if possible given the experimental and innovative approach of our community towards exploring the potential of the platform that we run a kind of 'sandboxed' wiki as well to play around with and explore extensions, bots, etc on before throwing them on the live WikiEd platform. So perhaps 2 servers? :-) brent. 1) COL goes to tender with for an external hosting company to provide the services we require. 2) We look for a community-based solution where volunteers assist with maintenance and installation of the WE servers (COL will cover the costs of leasing the servers and we can explore creative solutions to assist with some of the costs.) My personal preference is for option 2 -- I'm sure that there are many education institutions that have resident expertise that can assist in this regard. Community projects are more successful when they are owned and run by the community. Cheers Wayne -- http://digitalsynapse.co.nz http://greymatter.co.nz --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Hi Brent Randy Great to see that there is growing support for option 2 ..;-) Brent, - also thanks for your offer to assist with some of the technical support. (BTW have you talked to Wen lately?) Realistically we need to go with a minimum of a 2 server solution for Phase 2. At the moment we don't have a good enough fail-server solution in place. If server 1 goes down --- we've got nothing in place to ensure a 24/7 service. We do a daily data backup to another server -- so our data is safe should Server 1 burn out. I like the sandboxed wiki idea for experimental work and pushing the envelope. Innovation and a forward looking disposition are core values of the WE commmunity -- and in many respects differentiates our project from other wikis in the field. My vote is to explore 3 servers. (Don't tell my finance director just yet smile.) Wayne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Hi there, I think Option 2 with relevant servers makes the most sense. We would be covered all the way for a while. The sandboxed wiki sounds like a great idea. Room to try. Even though I am not a coder or programmer, I like to keep an eye of what innovations are going on. Thank you all. You have been great. Cheers, Patricia -Original Message- From: wikieducator@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mackiwg Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:50 PM To: WikiEducator Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path Hi Brent Randy Great to see that there is growing support for option 2 ..;-) Brent, - also thanks for your offer to assist with some of the technical support. (BTW have you talked to Wen lately?) Realistically we need to go with a minimum of a 2 server solution for Phase 2. At the moment we don't have a good enough fail-server solution in place. If server 1 goes down --- we've got nothing in place to ensure a 24/7 service. We do a daily data backup to another server -- so our data is safe should Server 1 burn out. I like the sandboxed wiki idea for experimental work and pushing the envelope. Innovation and a forward looking disposition are core values of the WE commmunity -- and in many respects differentiates our project from other wikis in the field. My vote is to explore 3 servers. (Don't tell my finance director just yet smile.) Wayne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
