[WikiEducator] Re: Non Formal Education *NFE discussion
Hi Phil Seems to me that there is an opportunity provide support to community mobilizers by offering the training and providing a community of practice - a group of people with similar interests or activities who connect to share ideas, ask questions and provide moral support. Which brings us to non-formal learning. So what is a community of practice, you ask? Last fall there was an open online course, Facilitating online communities (FOC08) http://www.wikieducator.org/Facilitating_online_communities One of the readings included Communities of Practice: Learning as a Social System by Etienne Wenger 1998 http://www.co-i-l.com/coil/knowledge-garden/cop/lss.shtml All the artifacts from the course are still available and Leigh Blackall - developer and facilitator, is still around. WE User page : http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall Blog : http://facilitatingonlinecommunities.blogspot.com/ Is there a way for community mobilizers - people have used the Community Empowerment training, to connect with others? Do they share ideas? Ask questions? Is there non-formal learning going on among them? ..Valerie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Non Formal Education *NFE discussion
Phil, when people are done with the technical discussion, and if you are still interested, I am a radical unschooler in real life and I can probably play this ball with you. I have connections in unschoolers' circles. My pedagogical interest is in mathematics. -- Cheers, MariaD Make math your own, to make your own math. http://www.naturalmath.com social math site http://www.phenixsolutions.com empowering our innovations On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Phil Bartle cmpbar...@gmail.com wrote: I am thinking about backing out of this endeavor. I started it as a result of the L4C course I took where there appeared to be enthusiasm for the idea. My own interest is in Functional Literacy, deschooling society and the like, from reading Ivan Illich and Paulo Friere in the sixties. No one from the class has picked up the ball. The discussions on this listserv went into technical areas that confound me. I know my material and I am an experienced teacher, but I simply do not have the I technology to carry this myself. If the coach does the pushups, The athlete will not get stronger Community Empowerment: www.scn.org/cmp/ WikiEducator http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Philbartle Join our discusssion forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Community_Strengthening == 1 of 1 == Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 7:23 am From: valerie Hi Phil How about a question of the week here? Do you have specific topics to get some interaction and feedback? Do you want to ask specific questions to help populate sections of your outline? http://www.wikieducator.org/Non_Formal_Education_Online_Conference Reading through the information and the comments, all sorts of questions come to mind for me. The topics vs. skills issue is interesting, for example. How formal is non-formal education? Are there specific learning outcomes? Who sets those? Does this have to be decided or known to address the other topics? ..Valerie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Non Formal Education *NFE discussion
Hi Phil, Personally I work here only in Spring semesters when I'm teaching my wiki-related course. Much of the technical discussion sails over my head innocuously. You have contributed content as I expect many teachers will do. There are others who are better versed in the technowizardry and I say 'let them have at it'. I can pop in later and borrow the code that they have willingly shared here and apply it to my purposes. So, I would suggest sticking with it if the mood strikes you. And if not, then you have made a contribution that will remain and will at some point be built upon by others, or by you if your mood brings you back this direction. Most important, I would not let the technical learning curve get in the way of content. All the best, Declan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Non Formal Education *NFE discussion
Hi All, Phil raises an important concern: As our community grows, the list of technical inquiries and comments are likely to grow, as is the demand for inquiry and comment about pedagogical issues. At what point do we decide to have different mailing lists? - Randy On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Declan declanjmcc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Phil, Personally I work here only in Spring semesters when I'm teaching my wiki-related course. Much of the technical discussion sails over my head innocuously. You have contributed content as I expect many teachers will do. There are others who are better versed in the technowizardry and I say 'let them have at it'. I can pop in later and borrow the code that they have willingly shared here and apply it to my purposes. So, I would suggest sticking with it if the mood strikes you. And if not, then you have made a contribution that will remain and will at some point be built upon by others, or by you if your mood brings you back this direction. Most important, I would not let the technical learning curve get in the way of content. All the best, Declan -- Randy Fisher * Community Building Organization Development * Change/Transition Program/Project Support * Stakeholder Engagement, Collaboration Performance * eLearning eCoaching * Open Source Open Education + 1 604.684.2275 wikira...@gmail.com http://www.wikieducator.org - Member, WikiEducator Community Council http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Randyfisher * Can You Do the Wiki-Wiki? http://www.wikieducator.org/Wiki_Wiki Skype: wikirandy Open Education is a Sustainable Renewable Resource. * For faster and greater ROI, please encourage Philanthropists to require that any content written under their grants / funding, be released as free and open source content. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Non Formal Education *NFE discussion
Hi Phil, Honestly I've been waiting for the Functional Literacy content come alive. This is of particular interest to me, I'm also involved in the NFE loop, even I'm not enroled yet to your endeavour (wish day had 48 hrs), but if you decide to continue it I'd gladly assist you on sorting tech issues, while you and other folks focus on the approach. Best regards Gladys 2009/3/19 Phil Bartle cmpbar...@gmail.com I am thinking about backing out of this endeavor. I started it as a result of the L4C course I took where there appeared to be enthusiasm for the idea. My own interest is in Functional Literacy, deschooling society and the like, from reading Ivan Illich and Paulo Friere in the sixties. No one from the class has picked up the ball. The discussions on this listserv went into technical areas that confound me. I know my material and I am an experienced teacher, but I simply do not have the I technology to carry this myself. If the coach does the pushups, The athlete will not get stronger Community Empowerment: www.scn.org/cmp/ WikiEducator http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Philbartle Join our discusssion forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Community_Strengthening == 1 of 1 == Date: Sun, Mar 15 2009 7:23 am From: valerie Hi Phil How about a question of the week here? Do you have specific topics to get some interaction and feedback? Do you want to ask specific questions to help populate sections of your outline? http://www.wikieducator.org/Non_Formal_Education_Online_Conference Reading through the information and the comments, all sorts of questions come to mind for me. The topics vs. skills issue is interesting, for example. How formal is non-formal education? Are there specific learning outcomes? Who sets those? Does this have to be decided or known to address the other topics? ..Valerie -- Gladys Gahona Private Teacher (Math, Physics, Chemistry) Secondary Tertiary grades. http://chela5808.wordpress.com http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Chela5808 Need wiki skills for free? http://www.wikieducator.org/Learning4Content/Workshops/Online_schedule/eL4C24 The wiki prayer: “Grant me the serenity to respect pages I should not edit, the courage to edit the pages I should, and the wisdom to know the difference. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Non Formal Education (NFE) Discussion
Hi Phil How about a question of the week here? Do you have specific topics to get some interaction and feedback? Do you want to ask specific questions to help populate sections of your outline? http://www.wikieducator.org/Non_Formal_Education_Online_Conference Reading through the information and the comments, all sorts of questions come to mind for me. The topics vs. skills issue is interesting, for example. How formal is non-formal education? Are there specific learning outcomes? Who sets those? Does this have to be decided or known to address the other topics? ..Valerie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Non Formal Education (NFE) Discussion
Thanks Nellie I'm getting tired of having to sign-up for yet-another-special forum in order to participate in these learning opportunities. I really liked that FOC08 and CCK08 materials were just sitting there. The only sign up was to subscribe to the newsletter. I could subscribe to other participants' blogs. I could view the Moodle discussion without signing up. I'm kind of overwhelmed by all the joining requirements. Facebook, Linked-In, Google groups, Yahoo groups, Ning... Why can't I just watch from the sidelines? There is so much good interaction going on, but those of us who are interested but not members don't get to share in that. Too bad. Perhaps there are another 400 of us who just weren't prepared to sign up who could have been good advocates as well. Does anyone else have similar concerns? ..Valerie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Non Formal Education (NFE) Discussion
I would like to see more un-courses. I like to learn in a group. It doesn't have to be taught or even highly organized. Someone has to get it started, and maybe do a re-cap. The topic has to be interesting or specific enough to attract a critical mass. But other than that, that is plenty to provide a satisfying and rewarding learning experience. That's an un-course. But is that non-formal learning? FOC08 Facilitating Online Communities and CCK08 Connectivism and Connected Knowledge courses were great. They both had hard-working leaders who added a lot of value - course outline, readings, discussion set-up, as well as some other key components, like promotion and directing traffic and modeling communication at the kick- off. Many of us just participated, without going got the credit, that was available / required for some core participants. But is that non-formal learning? ..Valerie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Non Formal Education (NFE) Discussion
Valerie, There are other such courses. In fact, I just completed co-moderating such a course that I believe you joined near the end called digifolios at http://digifolios.ning.com Electronic Village Online (EVO): http://www.wikieducator.org/Electronic_Village_Online and EVO09 had 18 such courses. Some had as many as 400+ participants. I also took a free online course on mindfulness meditation practice by Gil Frondsdal: http://www.audiodharma.org/onlinecourses.html with over 500 participants. In addition, I am a participant in a post grad course organized by the European Commission for educators on Second Life called muvenation 08: http://muvenation.org/ Universities are offering free online courses, too: http://education-portal.com/articles/Universities_with_the_Best_Free_Online_Courses.html I would like to see WE listed as one of the topic arenas for free online learning. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instruction http://www.wikieducator.org/EL4C21 http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Nelliemuller skype:nelliedeutschmuller On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 6:05 AM, valerie vtay...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to see more un-courses. I like to learn in a group. It doesn't have to be taught or even highly organized. Someone has to get it started, and maybe do a re-cap. The topic has to be interesting or specific enough to attract a critical mass. But other than that, that is plenty to provide a satisfying and rewarding learning experience. That's an un-course. But is that non-formal learning? FOC08 Facilitating Online Communities and CCK08 Connectivism and Connected Knowledge courses were great. They both had hard-working leaders who added a lot of value - course outline, readings, discussion set-up, as well as some other key components, like promotion and directing traffic and modeling communication at the kick- off. Many of us just participated, without going got the credit, that was available / required for some core participants. But is that non-formal learning? ..Valerie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Non Formal Education (NFE) Discussion
Some models and communities you probably don't want to miss: Communities of practice, apprenticeships Massively Multiplayer Games and the huge amount of learning happening within them Homeschoolers, especially unschoolers On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Phil Bartle cmpbar...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to see an online discussion about non formal education (NFE). After some discussions with some of the participants in the L4C Tutorial I was in, I put together an outline and purpose page. I do not know about the mechanics of such a conference, but I was impressed by our tutors, Patricia and Nellie, during our online discussion sessions of the course. Please take a look at what I have so far drafted, and add your ideas and experience. http://www.wikieducator.org/Non_Formal_Education_Online_Conference#Discussion_on_Non_Formal_Education Cheers, MariaD Make math your own, to make your own math. http://www.naturalmath.com social math site http://www.phenixsolutions.com empowering our innovations --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Non Formal Education (NFE) Discussion
Hi Phil This is a great opportunity for collaborative writing. I took the liberty of modifying the page http://www.wikieducator.org/Non_Formal_Education_Online_Conference Everyone can add their ideas and suggestions directly into the appropriate sections. Links to other projects or WikiEducator pages would be wonderful. Getting some cross WE collaborating going would be a nice demonstration of the power of the WE community around Non Formal Education that is a common thread throughout teaching and learning discussions. ..Valerie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
