Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 unpaid expert editors as staff to check the articles Holy cow. Is Jimbo aware of this? Emily On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:04 AM, FT2 wrote: The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 unpaid expert editors as staff to check the articles Google: http://news.google.com/news/search?um=1hl=enq=wikipedia+%22expert+editors%22 Examples: http://www.khabrein.info/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=25408Itemid=62 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208941/Free-edit-Wikipedia-appoints-volunteer-editors-vet-changes-articles-living-people.html FT2 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote: They seem to think that they are applying for staff. Maybe we need to make it more obvious that there's no staff at Wikipedia, at least for the time being. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
2009/8/28 FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com: The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 unpaid expert editors as staff to check the articles Google: http://news.google.com/news/search?um=1hl=enq=wikipedia+%22expert+editors%22 Ah. God bless the Daily Mail and its just make stuff up policy. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Emily Monroebluecalioc...@me.com wrote: The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 unpaid expert editors as staff to check the articles Holy cow. Is Jimbo aware of this? Don't you mean is the Wikimedia Foundation aware of this? Carcharoth PS. I pointed out in an earlier thread that this mis-reporting would lead to people thinking new editors are being sought especially for this. It's point 4 in my e-mail of 26 August in the thread titled A sudden thought on the media coverage of flagged revisions. Could someone post to the foundation-l list and get some co-ordination going if are going to see a large influx of new editors to the WMF's largest project asking how can we help? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
Don't you mean is the Wikimedia Foundation aware of this? Yes, that's exactly what I mean! Emily On Aug 28, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Carcharoth wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Emily Monroebluecalioc...@me.com wrote: The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 unpaid expert editors as staff to check the articles Holy cow. Is Jimbo aware of this? Don't you mean is the Wikimedia Foundation aware of this? Carcharoth PS. I pointed out in an earlier thread that this mis-reporting would lead to people thinking new editors are being sought especially for this. It's point 4 in my e-mail of 26 August in the thread titled A sudden thought on the media coverage of flagged revisions. Could someone post to the foundation-l list and get some co-ordination going if are going to see a large influx of new editors to the WMF's largest project asking how can we help? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
FT2 wrote: The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 unpaid expert editors as staff to check the articles I am actually curious as to where precisely did they pull that particular figure of 20 000 from. It looks awfully specific, like somebody might have actually used that number in some context or another, and the media just completely fumbled at understanding what the number referred to. Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
No, I haz no link. By we I meant the Foundation, ticket numbers are available upon private request if you have access to the system. -- Sent from my Palm Pre Carcharoth wrote: Could you link to an example? On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Keegan Paullt;kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: ...and they are continuing to roll in. Any more firm ideas? They seem to think that they are applying for staff. I haven't the time to read all reporting, feedback would be great. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Keegan Paul lt;kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: Correction, it was a blog. I just don't remember where. If'n anyone else does, please post. It was a good read. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Keegan Paul lt;kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: It would be interesting if someone did a study on initial interactions between newcomers and oldbies to see if anything can be improved. But IMHO the best way to avoid newbies getting bitten is to help them avoiding newbie mistakes in the first place - a good interface, the right help and a few safety checks would go a long way. (Whoa there newbie, you just wiped the whole page. Here's how not to do that...) Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l Well, hm. Hard to explain there as an oldbie what it was like as a newbie. I happened to have good interactions based on concerns I had, as Newyorkbrad went over in a Wikipedia Weekly cast. I only registered an account because the History of Alaska was messed up and I thought it more appropriate to have an account to complain :) . I've seen thousands of editors come and go not only because of initial experience, but just passion and care. There's no real matrix for it. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanencimonav...@gmail.com wrote: FT2 wrote: The reason for this is, when Flagged Revisions got into the press last week, a number of sources reported that Wikipedia would be recruiting 20,000 unpaid expert editors as staff to check the articles I am actually curious as to where precisely did they pull that particular figure of 20 000 from. It looks awfully specific, like somebody might have actually used that number in some context or another, and the media just completely fumbled at understanding what the number referred to. I agree. It looks like a figure for number of core active editors: ...the plan is to draft in our core of active editors, all 20,000 of them, and keep the backlog on flagged revisions down to ensure the delays are minimal... might have become: ...Wikipedia want 20,000 new editors to join... [We do want this, but not with the wrong impressions] I can see how something like that could have happened. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Emily Monroebluecalioc...@me.com wrote: Do we have a welcome mat rolled out and some magic pixie dust to tell people to please not be BITE-y? *pixie dust pixie dust* ;-D We don't want a large influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound. I agree. Maybe have a Signpost-like note to everyone subscribed to Signpost? Maybe have that actually in the Signpost? Something like Editors note: There's an influx of newbies, so please be patient. How will that work? Is there, in fact, an influx of newbies going on? Has anyone compiled the numbers for recent days to find out whether newbies are signing up faster than usual and if so by how much? I think it's a good idea to point to such an influx in the Signpost if it actually happening, and to highlight the various pages and recommendations we have for enculturating newbies, but doing so based purely on anecdote and second-hand information... that seems more like Daily Mail than Signpost. -Sage ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
In a message dated 8/28/2009 8:10:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bluecalioc...@me.com writes: Holy cow. Is Jimbo aware of this? -- Jimbo is irrelevant. We're cooking and eating him next week. W.J. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
Jimbo is irrelevant. We're cooking and eating him next week. I'll bet he'll be delicious with BBQ sauce and a side of mashed potatoes and baked beans. Mmm mmm mmm. X-D Emily On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:12 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/28/2009 8:10:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bluecalioc...@me.com writes: Holy cow. Is Jimbo aware of this? -- Jimbo is irrelevant. We're cooking and eating him next week. W.J. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] So, what is the deal with flagged revisions?
2009/8/28 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: 2009/8/28 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: Protection is a failure of the wiki model in the first place. Discussion is a poor substitute for editing. Edit warring is a failure of the wiki model. We use protection to force people into a discussion model which works better in those situations. Yeah, it's all imperfect. What I mean is, that's a bit of process for a particular purpose, and if we need it with flagged revs as we do with full protection, then we can reintroduce it when we do. I think the lack of visible reward will be helpful in dealing with everyday edit warriors. (If people with the reviewer bit edit-war with it, one or both is likely to get a strong word at the very least.) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
2009/8/28 Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com: Jimbo is irrelevant. We're cooking and eating him next week. I'll bet he'll be delicious with BBQ sauce and a side of mashed potatoes and baked beans. Mmm mmm mmm. X-D And we can always revert to the previous Jimbo, so lots for everyone! - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
And we can always revert to the previous Jimbo, so lots for everyone! When we are done, we can revert and voila! Wikipedia has food forever! Emily On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:18 PM, David Gerard wrote: 2009/8/28 Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com: Jimbo is irrelevant. We're cooking and eating him next week. I'll bet he'll be delicious with BBQ sauce and a side of mashed potatoes and baked beans. Mmm mmm mmm. X-D And we can always revert to the previous Jimbo, so lots for everyone! - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
In a message dated 8/28/2009 11:20:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bluecalioc...@me.com writes: When we are done, we can revert and voila! Wikipedia has food forever! - Just imagine how many Terabytes of data are hiden under the iceberg tip that is what the casual reader sees. I have yet to see any paper about say, The Twisty Turny Biography of Lincoln Evolves Over Six Years That would probably keep someone busy for a long time. There must be 25,000 revisions to Lincoln. Will Johnson ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Wikien-L Bug Report
Go to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l Sidebar: Search Posting Archives Type in whatever, click Search Result https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/mmsearch/wikien-l 404 NOT FOUND Will Johnson ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:25 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Just imagine how many Terabytes of data are hiden under the iceberg tip that is what the casual reader sees. I have yet to see any paper about say, The Twisty Turny Biography of Lincoln Evolves Over Six Years Will Johnson ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l This is what I consider to be the exact point for starting this thread. People truly do have no clue about how to edit or the community and how it functions. Actually, I don't think the functionality of the community can be described. Folks are amazed to be told that they can edit willy nilly, make an account and all that. For all our popularity worldwide the vast majority of the consumers have no idea (I realize I'm preaching to the choir) until these news stories invoke interest. So, what to do about it? How to not bite? This that and the other are great questions to mull over. I have no answers myself, Wikipedia just kind of happens. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Knol goes from a Wikipedia rival to a Craigslist imitator
Evidently I am now a media darling http://www.google.com/search?source=ighl=enrlz==q=knol+craigslist The oddest part of this entire experience (other than the fact that it shot me up to over 1,000 views a day), is how much of this news is either simple reposting of titles with link, or bloggers copying each other in a sort of feeding frenzy. I've never personally become involved in the blogging world. I would think that a person would want original content, not merely be blogger number 87 on the list of people blogging about the really important news like me selling a pair of speakers ;) I'm world famous! I get more views than President uh... Harding... or something. Ok maybe Zachary Taylor, at any rate I'm famous! Maybe I'll write a knol about it. Sort of keep the cycle churning. How do you do that exactly? I've never figured out completely how to be a media whore, but I'm willing to learn. Any whores want to teach me tricks? Will Media Whore Wannabe Johnson ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to Not Bite was Positives to publicity
Welcome Wagon, we used to have one didn't we? I don't know what happened to it, it seems like stale news. Free Tutor Program - new users can choose to sign up for tutoring for $10 an hour... ok or free whatever. Have you been bitten? Are you frustrated? Do you get laid often enough? (ok scratch that) Sign Up Now, Not Available in Stores, Supplies are Running Out - for Wiki Tutoring! ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to Not Bite was Positives to publicity
The Welcome Wagon, like Esperanza, got taken out back and shot a few years ago when we decided to remove traces of perceived social networking in late '06 early '07. The Birthday crew is really all that remains. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:31 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Welcome Wagon, we used to have one didn't we? I don't know what happened to it, it seems like stale news. Free Tutor Program - new users can choose to sign up for tutoring for $10 an hour... ok or free whatever. Have you been bitten? Are you frustrated? Do you get laid often enough? (ok scratch that) Sign Up Now, Not Available in Stores, Supplies are Running Out - for Wiki Tutoring! ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
2009/8/28 wjhon...@aol.com: Just imagine how many Terabytes of data are hiden under the iceberg tip that is what the casual reader sees. I have yet to see any paper about say, The Twisty Turny Biography of Lincoln Evolves Over Six Years There's something related that's been floating around for a few years - it's a bit more lighthearted, but it's pretty interesting nonetheless. http://jonudell.net/udell/gems/umlaut/umlaut.html -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] So, what is the deal with flagged revisions?
the lack of visible reward will have the same effect on them as on new contributors. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 2:15 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/28 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: 2009/8/28 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: Protection is a failure of the wiki model in the first place. Discussion is a poor substitute for editing. Edit warring is a failure of the wiki model. We use protection to force people into a discussion model which works better in those situations. Yeah, it's all imperfect. What I mean is, that's a bit of process for a particular purpose, and if we need it with flagged revs as we do with full protection, then we can reintroduce it when we do. I think the lack of visible reward will be helpful in dealing with everyday edit warriors. (If people with the reviewer bit edit-war with it, one or both is likely to get a strong word at the very least.) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] The best coverage yet of the living bios rule
Fabulous. Scarily accurate as well. - Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 5:17 PM Subject: [WikiEN-l] The best coverage yet of the living bios rule http://www.cracked.com/blog/ted-kennedy-the-movie/ - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
The last book of Wikipedia was too fluffy. I prefer reality. Gritty, in the trenches, kick sand in your face, thumb wrestle to the death! Tabloid style. -Original Message- From: FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 2:13 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity I'm serious. FT2 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:09 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Only if I get to write the Drama chapter. -Original Message- From: FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 1:40 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity I'd be all up for writing a wikibook introduction to Wikipedia. Anyone else interested? :) FT2 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:25 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Just imagine how many Terabytes of data are hiden under the iceberg tip that is what the casual reader sees. I have yet to see any paper about say, The Twisty Turny Biography of Lincoln Evolves Over Six Years Will Johnson ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l This is what I consider to be the exact point for starting this thread. People truly do have no clue about how to edit or the community and how it functions. Actually, I don't think the functionality of the community can be described. Folks are amazed to be told that they can edit willy nilly, make an account and all that. For all our popularity worldwide the vast majority of the consumers have no idea (I realize I'm preaching to the choir) until these news stories invoke interest. So, what to do about it? How to not bite? This that and the other are great questions to mull over. I have no answers myself, Wikipedia just kind of happens. ~Keegan -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to Not Bite was Positives to publicity
Maybe that was the name, I can't remember. I think they tried to welcome me once, and I put my boots up on the table, pulled the cigar out of my mouth and said, Make my day fat boy. Or it's possible that was a movie I saw. -Original Message- From: Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How to Not Bite was Positives to publicity The Welcome Wagon, like Esperanza, got taken out back and shot a few years ago when we decided to remove traces of perceived social networking in late '06 early '07. What was the Welcome Wagon, and how is it different from the Welcoming Committee? Emily On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Keegan Paul wrote: The Welcome Wagon, like Esperanza, got taken out back and shot a few years ago when we decided to remove traces of perceived social networking in late '06 early '07. The Birthday crew is really all that remains. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:31 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Welcome Wagon, we used to have one didn't we? I don't know what happened to it, it seems like stale news. Free Tutor Program - new users can choose to sign up for tutoring for $10 an hour... ok or free whatever. Have you been bitten? Are you frustrated? Do you get laid often enough? (ok scratch that) Sign Up Now, Not Available in Stores, Supplies are Running Out - for Wiki Tutoring! ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity
I... friggin... love it. And I rarely love anything at all. I mean I don't even love Cheetos, although I like it. But this page you linked is the first time I've ever encountered anyone doing this. It's the wave of the future! I wish I had the technical ability to do it, or the time. I'm like one of those zombies in the Bela Lugosi White Zombie (1932) which I just linked up today (shameless plug shameless plug) Chairpotato's Night at the Movies! http://knol.google.com/k/chair-potato/chairpotatos-night-at-the-movies/hyujx7mco9jp/23 Just look at their faces as they push that grind-stone around and around and around. I'm like that. Only with a whip. W.J. -Original Message- From: Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity 2009/8/28 wjhon...@aol.com: Just imagine how many Terabytes of data are hiden under the iceberg tip that is what the casual reader sees. I have yet to see any paper about say, The Twisty Turny Biography of Lincoln Evolves Over Six Years There's something related that's been floating around for a few years - it's a bit more lighthearted, but it's pretty interesting nonetheless. http://jonudell.net/udell/gems/umlaut/umlaut.html -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] So, what is the deal with flagged revisions?
Lack of visible reward. Yes I think that's is it, or part of it anyway. It's why I've been fixated at Knol for a while. Wanting to see my own name in lights. Too bad Wikipedia couldn't have a sister project for publishing scholarly papers. Or could we? Or do we? Will Johnson -Original Message- From: David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 7:08 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] So, what is the deal with flagged revisions? the lack of visible reward will have the same effect on them as on new contributors. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 2:15 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/28 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: 2009/8/28 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: Protection is a failure of the wiki model in the first place. Discussion is a poor substitute for editing. Edit warring is a failure of the wiki model. We use protection to force people into a discussion model which works better in those situations. Yeah, it's all imperfect. What I mean is, that's a bit of process for a particular purpose, and if we need it with flagged revs as we do with full protection, then we can reintroduce it when we do. I think the lack of visible reward will be helpful in dealing with everyday edit warriors. (If people with the reviewer bit edit-war with it, one or both is likely to get a strong word at the very least.) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] The best coverage yet of the living bios rule
Dude! Conspirapedia is not taken! What a fantabulous website that would be Get on it. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to Not Bite was Positives to publicity
Nice signature... I found this in my spam box. :) -X! On Aug 28, 2009, at 4:31 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Welcome Wagon, we used to have one didn't we? I don't know what happened to it, it seems like stale news. Free Tutor Program - new users can choose to sign up for tutoring for $10 an hour... ok or free whatever. Have you been bitten? Are you frustrated? Do you get laid often enough? (ok scratch that) Sign Up Now, Not Available in Stores, Supplies are Running Out - for Wiki Tutoring! ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to Not Bite was Positives to publicity
The Welcoming committee is a central repository for welcoming new users. The Welcome Wagon sought to bring them into the community, much like the neighbor that knocks on your door with brownies and tells you all the sekrets about the neighbors. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote: The Welcome Wagon, like Esperanza, got taken out back and shot a few years ago when we decided to remove traces of perceived social networking in late '06 early '07. What was the Welcome Wagon, and how is it different from the Welcoming Committee? Emily On Aug 28, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Keegan Paul wrote: The Welcome Wagon, like Esperanza, got taken out back and shot a few years ago when we decided to remove traces of perceived social networking in late '06 early '07. The Birthday crew is really all that remains. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:31 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Welcome Wagon, we used to have one didn't we? I don't know what happened to it, it seems like stale news. Free Tutor Program - new users can choose to sign up for tutoring for $10 an hour... ok or free whatever. Have you been bitten? Are you frustrated? Do you get laid often enough? (ok scratch that) Sign Up Now, Not Available in Stores, Supplies are Running Out - for Wiki Tutoring! ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Re: [WikiEN-l] How to Not Bite was Positives to publicity
I don't use a signature. Blame the AOL programming bastards for spamming my email. -Original Message- From: Soxred93 soxre...@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 8:19 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How to Not Bite was Positives to publicity Nice signature... I found this in my spam box. :) -X! On Aug 28, 2009, at 4:31 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Welcome Wagon, we used to have one didn't we? I don't know what happened to it, it seems like stale news. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
[WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence
Well-sourced junk that reads like it belongs on Simple En.wiki: '''Adaptation''' is one of the basic phenomena of biology.refWilliams, George C. 1966. ''Adaptation and natural selection: a critique of some current evolutionary thought''. Princeton. Evolutionary adaptation is a phenomenon of pervasive importance in biology. p5/ref It is the process whereby an organism becomes better suited to its [[habitat]].refThe ''Oxford Dictionary of Science'' defines ''adaptation'' as Any change in the structure or functioning of an organism that makes it better suited to its environment./ref Also, the term ''adaptation'' may refer to a characteristic which is especially important for an organism's survival.refBoth uses of the term 'adaptation' are recognized by King R.C. Stansfield W.D. and Mulligan P. 2006. ''A dictionary of genetics''. Oxford, 7th ed./ref For example, the adaptation of horses' teeth to the grinding of grass, or their ability to run fast and escape predators. Such adaptations are produced in a variable population by the better suited forms reproducing more successfully, that is, by [[natural selection]]. The above will be changed, obviously. Note also the large inline refs make editing difficult, which in turn lets nonsense writing persist. If we can't come up with some better technical means of separation - all ref tags under their own invisible section maybe - then at least carriage-returns - putting the ref on the next line - would work well enough. Still showing up the same in view mode, but the text can actually be readable in edit mode). Anyway, working on something unsourced like: In [[biology]], '''adaptation''' is an observed ''effect'' of the process of [[evolution]] mdash;wherein canonical [[organism]]s (species) appear to [[change]] over time to survive more efficiently within their [[habitat]]. The concept of adaptation was developed before the theory of evolution mdash;Lamarck had made some groundbreaking observations which inspired Darwin. Adaptation in reality does not refer to changes within individual organisms, but to the canonical form of the species mdash; changes brought about by a process of [[natural selection]]. Adaptation in the context of biology, thus is a largely a colloquialism for natural selection. -Stevertigo Sources available upon request. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
