[Wikimania-l] Re: Uploading to Commons and tell us your story about Wikimania 2023

[Florence Devouard]

Hello

I finished uploading my picts to Commons...

Also wrote a little report post-conference, which is hosted here :)
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2023/Scholarship/Anthere_Report

Again, big thanks to the whole team


Cheers


Flo


Le 22/08/2023 à 07:26, Wikimania a écrit :

My Fellow Wikimedians

As we lowered the curtain for Wikimania 2023 Singapore, Online and 
Satellite, we ask for your valuable time to share your images and 
videos related to Wikimania 2023 on Wikimedia Commons, our free media 
repository. By uploading your images and videos to Wikimedia Commons, 
you are helping to document the history and diversity of the Wikimedia 
movement, as well as enriching the knowledge and culture of humanity. 
Your contributions are greatly appreciated by millions of readers and 
editors around the world.


To upload your images and videos to Wikimedia Commons, you can use the 
/Upload Wizard/, a simple and user-friendly tool that guides you 
through the process. You can also use the /Commons app/, a mobile 
application that allows you to upload images from your smartphone or 
tablet. Please make sure to use the license on Wikimedia Commons and 
Wikimania Photography policy when uploading your files.


We encourage you to use the [[category:Wikimania 2023]] when uploading 
your images and videos related to Wikimania 2023. This will help us to 
organize and showcase your files on the Wikimania 2023 wiki and other 
platforms. You can also add other relevant categories and descriptions 
to your files to make them more accessible and useful for other users.


We also encourage you to write your story as a blog, vlog, Social 
media posts or at . For social media, please use @wikimedia.conference 
to tag on Facebook or Instagram, @wikimania on X (twitter).


We thank you for your generous assistance and support for Wikimania 
2023 and the Wikimedia movement. We hope to see you at the next 
in-person and hybrid conferences this year and the 19th edition of 
Wikimania in Kraków, Poland hosted by the Central and Eastern European 
Wikimedians where we will celebrate our achievements, share our 
experiences, and learn from each other.


There is also a Wikimania 2023 survey at 
https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/682942


We appreciate your feedback so we know where we did great and which 
ones we would tell the next host.



Kind regards,

*Butch Bustria*
Event lead, Wikimania 2023

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[Wikimania-l] Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania Program schedule

[Florence Devouard]

Hello


My apologies if I ask a question that has already been answered somewhere...


We have been told to update the pre-talx descriptions and that this 
would in turn update the wiki pages.
But the wiki pages are not updated with the changes on the pre-talx. Is 
that normal ? Will it be done at some point in the near future, or do 
you recommand actually keeping both pages updated manually for more 
security ?



Cheers

Flo

Le 04/08/2023 à 04:15, Butch Bustria a écrit :

Hi Everyone,

We would like to inform you that the master copy of the schedule is at 
https://pretalx.com/wm2023/schedule/


This is publicly accessible, rooms side by side, can be filtered by 
tracks and you can download an .ical file of the sessions you like to 
sync with your calendar on your phone/ devices.


Wikimania wiki and Eventyay may have the information extracted from 
pretalx but is not syched in real time as it needs to be updated 
manually by us.



Kind regards,

*Butch Bustria*
Chair
Wikimania 2023 Program Subcommittee

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[Wikimania-l] Re: [Wikimedia-l] Program submissions closed - Wikimania 2023

[Florence Devouard]

Hello Butch

Contrariwise to what you are saying, I can not edit the pretalx 
submission. It is all grey, indicated under review and fully not editable.


Is that only me ? Or is that a general situation ?

Will the propositions be reviewed on the wiki page or will they be 
reviewed on pre-talx ?


Best

Florence


Le 30/03/2023 à 03:28, Butch Bustria a écrit :

My Fellow Wikimedians,

Thanks you very much for your kind interest in submitting program 
proposals. Program submissions officially closed at 29 March 2023 at 
13:59 UTC.


We received 594 program submissions and we will remove the spam 
submissions accordingly. Program subcommittee *may* announce soon 
another round of submissions on poster sessions (depending on the 
result of the first batch of poster proposals) and details of the 
Hackathon in Wikimania 2023.


Please take opportunity to refine and edit your program submissions on 
Pretalx.com. The jurors will start screening your applications in 
April. Don't take risk of editing it within the month April as you 
don't know if your submission is already scored before your 
refinements/ edits.


Please check the program submissions wiki page and FAQ on what 
qualities we are looking for a program content in Wikimania 2023 and 
the next steps.


https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Program/Submissions
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Program/FAQ

If you are interested on knowing the submitted program proposals, go to
https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2023_Program_submissions_by_tracks



Kind regards,

*Butch Bustria*
Event lead, ESEAP Wikimania 2023 Core Organizing Team
Chair, Program Subcommittee


P.S.
/For direct inquiries, please contact us organizers on our group mail 
: wikima...@wikimedia.org. We discourage you to click "reply all" as 
this is a large mailing list/.


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[Wikimania-l] Re: Open Scholarship Program

[Florence Devouard]

Thanks for the answer Winnie


This is a challenging solution...

If this is the path to go, then I think it would need clarifications on 
that page : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2021/Scholarships


1) First, it would require a clarification to the individual people 
looking for support that they should consider contacting one of the 
approved group to ask them for individual support (taken into account 
geography, currency, language, thematic... )


Right now... any person living in Europe, or in USA, or in Asia... would 
rightfully wonder who they can ask to.
If I lived in Japan... what would be my best bet... should I ask 
Wikimedia Polska or Wikimedia Ghana ? How much chance do I stand of 
getting a favorable answer ? Probably none.
So if members were more aware of that, perhaps members would have the 
time to make sure a UserGroup that would agree to support them, make an 
application.


I think it would be a good idea to do that rapidly so that individuals 
get to realize that they probably can ask no approved group. It might 
give them to idea to contact their nearest UserGroup to ask them to apply.



2) I think the UserGroups which applied should be informed that they 
might get some requests some completely unknown people from all over the 
world. And they should make sure they have the mecanisms to actually 
answer and support. Do they know that ?
So again, that means that... if I live in Japan... and I contact the 
Ghana UserGroup to get supported... then the Ghana UserGroup would not 
be surprised and would consider my request with appropriate interest and 
willingness to support. Even though we do not speak the same language, 
do not use the same currency, do not work on the same project etc.



Many usergroups do not have staff, nor even a bank account, and may not 
be set-up to do international wire transferts.
For example, I am contact member of the offline usergroup. It would make 
sense for the offline usergroup to receive some participation requests 
since our operations are largely in countries where connexion data could 
be big.
But the usergroup is just a group. There is no legal entity behind it; 
nor staff to manage request; no bank account to wire money to anyone. So 
can not help in anyway.



If you want my honest feedback on the solution you mention ("pick up one 
of the affiliates which got funding and ask its team for support"), that 
will generally NOT work.
Which means that the current system will only serve those with good 
connexions and lucky enough that an affiliate they are members of, will 
actually make the request.
Under an appearance of super cool Wikimania participation support (data, 
childcare etc.), we are setting up a really unfair system, where people 
will be supported based on their understanding and knowledge of the 
ropes, and based on their involvement as members of an affiliate, and on 
the proactiveness of the usergroups.



I am not blaming you, the COT team does within the constraints forced on 
them. I do understand that and I fear there isn't much option to fix 
that in less than a month. I do get that and if you have no solution to 
offer, again, no blame.


But _for the record_, I think it is really a non-equitable process and 
_I hope that it does not set the grounds to operate this way in the 
future in simular circonstances_. I do not consider it a good governance 
solution that a handful of affiliates make the decision on who gets 
support and who does not, with no other built-in mecanisms at all.


Florence


Le 08/07/2021 à 22:07, Winnie kabintie a écrit :

Dear Florence,

You raise a valid concern that the COT has tried to mull over and the 
current proposal at hand is to have the affiliates extend support to 
any individuals or groups beyond their envelope.

Kind Regards,

Winnie



On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 4:37 PM Florence Devouard <mailto:fdevou...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hello Winnie


I would like a clarification

Given that this year, scholarships are only open to Affiliates,
and given that only 12 Affiliates actually submitted requests,
where can the actual individuals that will participate to
Wikimania ask for support ?
I do understand the point of tasking the affiliates to deal with
scholarship requests rather than having to deal with them at the
Wikimedia Foundation level.
But in the end... 12 Affiliates will possibly cover the needs of
their own members.

What about the several hundreds of participants that are not
members of one of those 12 affiliates ? And who have no choice to
turn to ?

Did I miss something entirely ?


Florence


Le 14/06/2021 à 20:12, Winnie kabintie a écrit :


Hello Hello!


We are pleased with the program submissions, for Wikimania 2021,
that have come through so far and even the planning discussions
we’ve seen going on in various groups.


SUBMISSION PROPOSALS DEADLINE APPROACHING: The

[Wikimania-l] Re: Open Scholarship Program

[Florence Devouard]

Hello Winnie


I would like a clarification

Given that this year, scholarships are only open to Affiliates, and 
given that only 12 Affiliates actually submitted requests, where can the 
actual individuals that will participate to Wikimania ask for support ?
I do understand the point of tasking the affiliates to deal with 
scholarship requests rather than having to deal with them at the 
Wikimedia Foundation level.
But in the end... 12 Affiliates will possibly cover the needs of their 
own members.


What about the several hundreds of participants that are not members of 
one of those 12 affiliates ? And who have no choice to turn to ?


Did I miss something entirely ?


Florence


Le 14/06/2021 à 20:12, Winnie kabintie a écrit :


Hello Hello!


We are pleased with the program submissions, for Wikimania 2021, that 
have come through so far and even the planning discussions we’ve seen 
going on in various groups.



SUBMISSION PROPOSALS DEADLINE APPROACHING: The deadline to submit your 
proposals is approaching rapidly, Friday, 18th June, 12am PSTand we 
would not like to see anyone locked out. Please make sure you submit 
your session proposals 
for the first 
ever virtual Wikimania.



Office Hours

Thank you to everyone who has joined the Submission Office Hours we’ve 
had last week. We have one more this week on 15th June at 12:00 UTC 
. More Office 
Hours around Wikimania 2021 will become available soon… Stay tuned.



Scholarships Program Now Open

As announced last week, the scholarship program is now open until 30th 
July. This year, scholarships will only be issued to Affiliates, who 
will then distribute to their respective community members.



Read More about theScholarship Program for Wikimania 2021 
(https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2021/Scholarships 
)




Best Wishes,

Winnie Kabintie (User:Ms_Kabintie 
), on behalf of the 
Wikimania 2021 Core Organizing Team.





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Re: [Wikimania-l] Lack of clarity around the arrangements for "Decolonizing the Internet conference"

[Florence Devouard]

Hi Kerry

I happen to be planned to attend this pre-conference event. What I can 
say is that it will take place at the Sun Square Cape Town City Bowl Hotel*.
*I am not entirely sure, but I think it is on invitation only. You 
probably want to check with Anasuya (anasuya *** whoseknowledge.org) and 
indeed, it would be a good idea to clarify things on the wikimania website.



Florence
**

Le 08/06/2018 à 02:11, Lodewijk a écrit :

Hi Kerry,

From the announcement on whoseknowledge, it seems that the co-location 
is just that: being in the same city, without being organized by the 
same people. The edit 
 
that added the conference as pre-conference has a summary that 
suggests to me that it is not endorsed/organized by the Wikimania 
organizing team (and I would based on that not expect them to offer 
registration for it), but that is something the local organizers can 
perhaps clarify.


Best,
Lodewijk

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 5:01 PM, Kerry Raymond > wrote:


On 26 May, information was added to the conference website

https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania


about a pre-event (18-19 July) called “Decolonizing the Internet
conference”. The link provided

https://whoseknowledge.org/decolonizing-the-internet-conference/


talks about being co-located with Wikimania, but provides no
clarity to what this means, saying nothing about a specific venue
other than being “in Cape Town”. Nor does this link provide any
information about how to register, the costs, times of day, what
the program is and whether there is any way you can submit a
request for a presentation at the conference. But being on the
Wikimania home page as part of the pre-conference program, I
figured that I needed to go to the Wikimania’s Eventbrite page at
least to register and pay, but when I went there to register for
the event, but found there was no mention of it at all. My first
thought is that the Eventbrite site had not been updated yet to
reflect this pre-event, so I have been checking back every day or
so, but still no sign of it. In the meantime, we have now passed
the deadline for Early Bird Registration (4 June) for these
pre-conference events, so if it is to be booked via Wikimania’s
Eventbrite arrangements, the cost to attend just increased by an
extra USD 50 through failure to update the Eventbrite page in a
timely way. And I presume many of us have booked flights and hotel
arrangements at our own expense and may have difficulty (or
increased costs) involved in changing these to accommodate
pre-conference events announced in such a last minute way with so
little detail.

Can anyone clarify if this “Decolonizing the Internet conference”
is actually being held as part of the Wikimania pre-conference at
the same hotel as Wikimania? How do we register for it? Can we
propose a talk etc? And if it is a part of the official Wikimania
pre-conference, can we still register at the cheaper Early Bird
rate once it is added to the Eventbrite site?

Thanks

Kerry


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[Wikimania-l] meetups and evening programmes

[Florence Devouard]

Hello

I was thinking of proposing a Wiki Loves meetup (for WLA, WLE, WLM and 
any other additional Wiki Loves)


https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetups


Looking at the program, it looks like meetups can be all fit Friday 
evening and Saturday evening.


But I was wondering if anything else was planned on those evenings and 
more specifically around dinner. How is dinner managed those days ?



Cheers


Florence

--- Begin Message ---

Hello

I was thinking of proposing a Wiki Loves meetup (for WLA, WLE, WLM and 
any other additional Wiki Loves)


https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetups


Looking at the program, it looks like meetups can be all fit Friday 
evening and Saturday evening.


But I was wondering if anything else was planned on those evenings and 
more specifically around dinner. How is dinner managed those days ?



Cheers


Florence



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Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimania Committee] Wikimania 2018

[Florence Devouard]

Thanks for the fix up... the email address indeed was a bug...

Flo

Le 24/07/16 à 04:52, Gnangarra a écrit :

thanks that seams to work, its now awaiting moderator approval

On 24 July 2016 at 10:38, Joseph Fox <josephfoxw...@gmail.com
<mailto:josephfoxw...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Gnangarra - perhaps it should be wikimania-...@lists.wikimedia.org
<mailto:wikimania-...@lists.wikimedia.org> ?

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 at 01:27 Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com
<mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com>> wrote:

well tried to submit Perth bid to the email supplied and the
response was;

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

 wikimania-...@wikimedia.org
<mailto:wikimania-...@wikimedia.org>

Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the
server for the recipient domain wikimedia.org
<http://wikimedia.org/> by mx1001.wikimedia.org
<http://mx1001.wikimedia.org/>. [2620:0:861:3:208:80:154:76].

The error that the other server returned was:
550 Address wikimania-...@wikimedia.org
<mailto:wikimania-...@wikimedia.org> does not exist

On 24 July 2016 at 06:47, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl
<mailto:dar...@alk.edu.pl>> wrote:



On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Florence Devouard
<fdevou...@gmail.com <mailto:fdevou...@gmail.com>> wrote:


We have listened to a lot of community members, both
those present at Wikimania 2016 and more widely, and
decided overall that, given there was strong desire for
holding Wikimania every year, we should continue to do
so. This means that we need to pick a team and location
for hosting Wikimania in July/August 2018 soon.


One word: wow!!!

dariusz

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[Wikimania-l] [Wikimania Committee] Wikimania 2018

[Florence Devouard]

Dear all

Please find below a message from the Wikimania committee regarding 
Wikimania 2017. This message was written by our Chair, James Forrester, 
according to the committee discussions and decisions during our last 
meeting in Esino.


Our chair seems to be ''missing in action'' at the moment, hence my 
sending the message because :
1) the meeting already occurred a month ago and it is best to publish 
whilst it is not completely outdated...
2) time is running... the earlier we decide the location for Wikimania 
2018, the better.


I will nevertheless add that this statement is only issued by the 
Wikimania Committee and that Ellie is seeking input, feedback as well as 
position from WMF at the moment.


Flo



All,

At Wikimania 2016, the Wikimania Committee[0] met. The minutes of the 
meeting are published on meta.[1]


We have listened to a lot of community members, both those present at 
Wikimania 2016 and more widely, and decided overall that, given there 
was strong desire for holding Wikimania every year, we should continue 
to do so. This means that we need to pick a team and location for 
hosting Wikimania in July/August 2018 soon.


The Committee would like to ensure that Wikimania is accessible across 
the world for the Wikimedia movement’s editors. Because of this, we are 
in favour of balancing events in North America and Europe, where many of 
our communities are centred, with the rest of the world. We are not 
planning to just “rotate” to venues chosen out of a hat, however. The 
most important part of a successful Wikimania is a local, passionate 
team of Wikimedians who want to make it a great event for the community.


We are now looking for proposals of teams and locations. This is not a 
bidding process; we are keen for this to be a light-weight, simple 
request for suggestions. You don’t need to have a venue locked down, 
contracts drafted or sponsors lined up. You can have a quick look at the 
“judging criteria” which were used for 2016,[2] but the key part is 
commitment. In deciding where to hold conferences, we have to take into 
account additional factors about potential sites such as cost, 
accessibility, and security. If your team want to host Wikimania, please 
send an e-mail to wikimania-...@wikimedia.org, or you can post a 
proposal on meta if you prefer.[3]


There are a number of areas of the world where Wikimania has never been 
hosted – Russia & Central Asia, South Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa, and 
Oceania, depending on how you define areas, of course. Considering this, 
the Committee has a mild preference for Sub-Saharan Africa for 2018, but 
is of course willing to look at proposals for hosting Wikimania 2018 in 
other locations. Right now, the Committee has an expression of interest 
from Wikimedia South Africa for 2018, and we welcome further proposals.


Thank you in advance.

Yours,

James F.
Chair, Wikimania Committee

[0] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee/Minutes/2016-06-26
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_judging_criteria
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2018


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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?

[Florence Devouard]

Oh. Good point !

The term "interest" referred to Wikimedia South Africa, which expressed 
interest into etc.


During Wikimania, various groups were approached by us (by Ellie). And 
other groups approached us. To express their interest in holding 
Wikimania in the future.


For example, on Sunday evening, at Pizzeria 51, a few minutes before the 
sky decided to fall on our heads, I was told Bangkok was interested for 
2020 !


Florence



Le 08/07/16 à 21:50, Lodewijk a écrit :

Thanks for the clarification, Florence. If I may ask another: the
'interest' expressed, does that refer to interest expressed by
South-African Wikimedians, or by the Committee?

Best,
Lodewijk

2016-07-08 21:38 GMT+02:00 Florence Devouard <fdevou...@gmail.com
<mailto:fdevou...@gmail.com>>:

Le 08/07/16 à 16:01, Chris Keating a écrit :

Hoi,

I was interested to read the minutes of the most recent Wikimania
Committee meeting, which decided that Wikimania will be held
annually
from now on, and that it will be in sub-Saharan Africa (effectively
meaning South Africa) in 2018.


Pointing out that the minutes do not say that it will be in
sub-Saharan Africa. It says

"The CfP should identify the priority given for that year to
Sub-Saharan Africa, noting that there is expressed interest in
hosting in the Republic of South Africa. "

The difference is subtle, but there is a difference.
The committee actually drafted an official announcement, which was
supposed to be published quickly after the committee minutes.
But we have been asked to refrain from publishing our announcement
until after the WMF has been consulted on the matter.

I am happy to disclose the sentence currently drafted for our (not
yet published) announcement, which is

"Considering this, the Committee has a mild preference for
Sub-Saharan Africa for 2018, but is of course willing to look at
proposals for hosting Wikimania 2018 in other locations. "


Florence



https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee/Minutes/2016-06-26

Interestingly, I couldn't see any sign of the Committee's
decision being
informed by the WMF's consultation on the future of Wikimania,
or anyone
from the WMF's community engagement department being present.

I have to say I'm a bit confused, not least about who actually
makes the
decision about how frequently Wikimania happens. Is anyone able
to shed
any more light on this?

Thanks,

Chris


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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?

[Florence Devouard]

Le 08/07/16 à 16:01, Chris Keating a écrit :

Hoi,

I was interested to read the minutes of the most recent Wikimania
Committee meeting, which decided that Wikimania will be held annually
from now on, and that it will be in sub-Saharan Africa (effectively
meaning South Africa) in 2018.


Pointing out that the minutes do not say that it will be in sub-Saharan 
Africa. It says


"The CfP should identify the priority given for that year to Sub-Saharan 
Africa, noting that there is expressed interest in hosting in the 
Republic of South Africa. "


The difference is subtle, but there is a difference.
The committee actually drafted an official announcement, which was 
supposed to be published quickly after the committee minutes.
But we have been asked to refrain from publishing our announcement until 
after the WMF has been consulted on the matter.


I am happy to disclose the sentence currently drafted for our (not yet 
published) announcement, which is


"Considering this, the Committee has a mild preference for Sub-Saharan 
Africa for 2018, but is of course willing to look at proposals for 
hosting Wikimania 2018 in other locations. "



Florence




https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee/Minutes/2016-06-26

Interestingly, I couldn't see any sign of the Committee's decision being
informed by the WMF's consultation on the future of Wikimania, or anyone
from the WMF's community engagement department being present.

I have to say I'm a bit confused, not least about who actually makes the
decision about how frequently Wikimania happens. Is anyone able to shed
any more light on this?

Thanks,

Chris


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[Wikimania-l] Message to beloved and very much necessary guys

[Florence Devouard]

Hello

There was an unintended issue today at Wikimania for the women lunch and 
I would like to present my formal apologies to the male part of our 
participants.


The catering people, well meaning, left some signage on the tables : 
"women only".


Ugh

Traditionnally, though it is women lunch, men are welcome. I tried to 
fix the signage as quickly as possible but well... not quickly enough 
and some people complained about integration.


Again, this was completely un-intended.

If anyone felt annoyed by the situation, please feel free to drop for a 
free hug tonight (or even if you were not actually. I am storing warm 
hugs for the rest of the year).


Ant


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[Wikimania-l] Women Group photo at 13:30 at Tent today !

[Florence Devouard]

Women welcome !

(men can take pictures :))


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Re: [Wikimania-l] accommodation details

[Florence Devouard]

Hi

THe answer is in FAQ
https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/FAQ

(I know... I put it there... bottom of Travel and accommodation section)

Florence

Le 20/06/16 14:39, Chris "Jethro" Schilling a écrit :

Hi Iolanda,

At customs, it is sometimes common for officers to ask where you are
staying.  Given that we have not yet received accommodation information
yet, what do we tell the officers if they request an address?

Thanks,

Chris Schilling

Chris "Jethro" Schilling
I JethroBT (WMF) 
Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Samat > wrote:

Thank you for the correction, Joseph; and sorry for the confusion.

Samat


On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Joseph Fox > wrote:

What Samat says is only true for Schengen-area countries; if you
are travelling from (for example) the United Kingdom, you will
need a passport. They will not allow you into the Schengen area
without it.

Though I imagine most of the Brits here will know that already. :)

Joe

On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 at 13:22 Samat > wrote:

As I know:
Inside the EU you should bring with you your official
identity card (released by one of the EU country) OR your
passport.
If you arrive from outside the EU or you would like to cross
the border of the EU, you need your passport.
Special case is Switzerland (not member of the EU), which is
only few km from Esino Lario. For EU citizens, ID card or
passport is required to step into Switzerland.

Best,
Samat


On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Lluís Madurell Alemany
> wrote:

Hi all

For European Union citizens do we need to bring the
passport? Is not enought with ID?

Thanks.

/
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/Lluís Madurell Alemany
Lluis_tgn
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[Wikimania-l] Wikimania women

[Florence Devouard]

Hello everyone

As you prepare to travel to Esino, remember to also have a look at the 
program : https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programme

Lots of cool things planned !

I have done an "extraction" of all the discussion/talks/training/events 
related to gender gap and summarized them on the Wikimania women facebook.


If you are interested by those topics, before the conference start, 
please join/follow


Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/groups/247519302260702/
Twitter : @WikimaniaWomen
#WikimaniaWomen

Anthere


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[Wikimania-l] Wikimania Women

[Florence Devouard]

The title should be self standing really

Whether you are a man or a woman, if you are interested in helping on 
gender gap related topics during Wikimania (which may range from 
"submitting a talk" to "join the wiki women lunch" or "tweet during the 
event" to "help host the Women in Red edit-a-thon", please head here :


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Women

Flo

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Comitato Wikimania Esino Lario 2016

[Florence Devouard]

My own grain of salt as well

A few months ago, Wikimedia France was looking for an african wikipedian 
to facilitate an edit-a-thon in Africa as part of one of WM FR projects. 
Wikimedia France was supporting his travelling costs to the edit-a-thon 
place. A volunteer showed up, willing to do it. He lived in a nearby 
country.


When it came to reimburse his travel costs, Wikimedia France asked him 
to become a member of Wikimedia France to do so. The wikipedian was 
perplex about this request and asked me what I thought. I was perplex 
about this request as well and asked explanation. I got it and it really 
made sense to me.


The main argument is insurance. If an association "pays" (hire) a 
consultant/freelancer to facilitate an edit-a-thon, the person - as a 
professional - normally is covered by his own professionnal insurance. 
So if anything happens during the edit-a-thon, his insurance will cover 
this. But if the person providing the training is a volunteer, it is 
VERY likely that he has no insurance to cover anything that might 
happen. A personal insurance would probably not cover the situation. 
Only a professional insurance could. If the trainer is not covered and 
something happen, since the event is organized by Wikimedia France, the 
"victim" would turn toward Wikimedia France.


Of course Wikimedia France has an insurance but the insurance needs to 
be bordered. It can not cover anything, anyone, in all situations. And 
one of the easiest border is... membership. A contract can be drawn that 
covers members whilst they are participating to an event organized by 
Wikimedia France. A contract that would cover what could happen to 
anyone showing up at an event organized by Wikimedia France is a 
different story.


So the best way recommanded by interested parties and councillors is 
that any person reimbursed for an action done as part of Wikimedia 
France activities should be a member of the association. As such, he is 
covered by Wikimedia France insurance.


Risker statement "The Wikimedia movement has openly embraced the lack of 
requirement to identify or create an account/membership to participate 
since day one of
its existence." is actually... not correct. A lot of the activity of the 
Wikimedia mouvement go through participation to a User Group or a 
Wikimedia Chapter or various Thematic Organisations. And identification 
and joining as member are actually required in those cases.
Also... identification is also required to join various online "tasks 
forces" such as steward or OTRS agent.


Flo


Le 18/03/16 09:48, Gabriel Thullen a écrit :

I will add my grain of salt to this discussion.
When I was young, and I was traveling a lot, I would stay in Youth 
Hostels. Membership was mandatory.
Things have changed a bit, Youth Hostels now call themselves 
"Hostelling International" and in most places membership is no longer 
mandatory. But members (of any national organization) get all sorts of 
discounts and other perks.


I do not understand what the problem is if a membership is required in 
order to attend Wikimania. Does anybody have a Real Life example where 
such a membership has posed a problem ? Or are we just kibitzing to 
pass the time until June ?


Gabe

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:43 AM, Cristian Consonni 
> wrote:


Hi,

2016-03-17 23:55 GMT+01:00 Risker >:
> Nemo, it's not standard practice. I've been to four or five
wikimanias and
> never had to join an association to go there. I have never had
to join an
> association to attend any other Wikimedia-related conference,
session, or
> activity. The Wikimedia movement has openly embraced the lack of
requirement
> to identify or create an account/membership to participate since
day one of
> its existence.  The budget of Wikimania should be published
onwiki, it
> should be transparent (to use the current buzzword) to everyone,
and nobody
> should have to pay money in order to find out its budget.

Before we get dragged too much into the philosophical question of what
being Truly Wikimedian (TM) really means I would like to point out a
little more of the context, with the disclaimer that: (1) I am not a
lawyer and (2) I am not/was not part of the group that made the
specific decision of setting up the association (3) I hope that
Iolanda and the team can find a solution to accommodate any specific
need.

Here some context:

(a) When you arrive in Italy if you stay for more than 48 hours, the
person/organization hosting you (regardless of your citizenship, this
applies to Italian citizens as well if they are staying in some place
that is not their habitual residence) must communicate within 8 days
your presence and your data to the local Questura (basically, the
government branch managing the 

Re: [Wikimania-l] Breakdown of attribution for scholarships

[Florence Devouard]

Thanks for pointing out that the reporting about Wikimania tends to 
be... full of holes :)


Digging, I found this: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars/2015_Outcomes


Which is... well... incomplete.

And the category
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_scholarships
is obviously... not complete either.

So, rephrasing

I would find interesting to know which countries were attributed the 
scholarships in 2016.


And I would find interesting to see the 2015 report completed as well :)

Flo


Le 11/03/16 16:31, Nkansah Rexford a écrit :

Unless there's something I'm missing or these percentages haven't been
same for previous years, but has the 75% ever been fulfilled before?

On Friday, March 11, 2016, Florence Devouard <fdevou...@gmail.com
<mailto:fdevou...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I would like to see a breakdown of scholarships attributed per
countries.


My memory was that WMF was aiming to support 75% from Global South
and 25% from Global North. However, I can not find track of that
information on the scholarship page :

* https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/Scholarships/2016 which
refers, in terms of goals to
*

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/Scholarships/SWOT_2005-2014_and_goals_for_2015

If the goal is 75% of Global South... given that Africa got 2%, I
would find interesting to know which countries were attributed the
73% left.

Florence


PS: transparency... right ?





Le 11/03/16 16:01, reachout2is...@gmail.com a écrit :

Nkansah Rexford, I have no idea of why you directed such a
non-sequitur
comment to me. Regrettably, your tone is condescending with lack of
empathy. Everyone have the right to voice their concerns and
you're not
in the best position to criticize them. That being said, Nobody
begged
for Wikimania scholarship but we have the right as a community
to raise
concern on certain issues and that is none of your business. You're
neither a chair of the scholarship committee nor the Wikimedia
Foundation Events Manager. You are not in the best position to
respond
to this. It is always a good idea to learn to be reserved.

I don't like to say you're crude and rude but kindly have the
decency to
be polite when addressing your fellow Wikipedians.

Warmest regards,

Olatunde Isaac.

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld from Glo Mobile.

*From: * Nkansah Rexford <nkansahrexf...@gmail.com>
*Date: *Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:30:07 +
*To: *<reachout2is...@gmail.com>; Wikimania general list (open
subscription)<wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
*Subject: *Re: [Wikimania-l] Community Village and Meetups at
Wikimania 2016

The scholarships are what they are: scholarships, not ticket to
heaven.

Many factors go into approving an application for scholarships.
Plus,
hundreds if not thousands apply for the scholarships every year. NOT
everyone can be accepted. Neither will everyone be rejected.

Some will need to go this year. Others will have to wait on the turn
(assuming they check all the application requirement boxes)
Unfortunately, this year, Nigeria couldn't win a scholarship slot.
That's unfortunate but NOT demoralising, I think. It's not as if
anyone
promised you a scholarship...

To say it's 'demoralising' is a strong word to use here. How is it
demoralising? No one has guaranteed anyone of a scholarship
should they
edit Wikipedia or not.

If because you didn't get the scholarship, and you think that's
demoralising and wish to stop contributing to Wikipedia, that's
in your
hands. However, such an approach will defeat the whole purpose
behind
contributing to Wikipedia.

We don't contribute to Wikipedia because we want scholarship.
Rather,
it's primarily for the love of contributing to the freeness and
openness
of knowledge globally.

Nigeria isn't the only country in the world, nor the country
without a
representation this year at wikimania. That doesn't mean a country
representing is better than Nigeria. It simply means, there're fewer
slots than the scholarship grant can handle.

Forget about demoralisation! Help improve knowledge freely and
openly. I
find that to be of more concern than anything at the moment.

I'll recommend we work on meeting the application criteria from now
until next year and hope to be called for scholarship. Even if then
we're still not called, 

[Wikimania-l] Breakdown of attribution for scholarships

[Florence Devouard]

I would like to see a breakdown of scholarships attributed per countries.


My memory was that WMF was aiming to support 75% from Global South and 
25% from Global North. However, I can not find track of that information 
on the scholarship page :


* https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/Scholarships/2016 which 
refers, in terms of goals to
* 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/Scholarships/SWOT_2005-2014_and_goals_for_2015


If the goal is 75% of Global South... given that Africa got 2%, I would 
find interesting to know which countries were attributed the 73% left.


Florence


PS: transparency... right ?





Le 11/03/16 16:01, reachout2is...@gmail.com a écrit :

Nkansah Rexford, I have no idea of why you directed such a non-sequitur
comment to me. Regrettably, your tone is condescending with lack of
empathy. Everyone have the right to voice their concerns and you're not
in the best position to criticize them. That being said, Nobody begged
for Wikimania scholarship but we have the right as a community to raise
concern on certain issues and that is none of your business. You're
neither a chair of the scholarship committee nor the Wikimedia
Foundation Events Manager. You are not in the best position to respond
to this. It is always a good idea to learn to be reserved.

I don't like to say you're crude and rude but kindly have the decency to
be polite when addressing your fellow Wikipedians.

Warmest regards,

Olatunde Isaac.

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld from Glo Mobile.

*From: * Nkansah Rexford 
*Date: *Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:30:07 +
*To: *; Wikimania general list (open
subscription)
*Subject: *Re: [Wikimania-l] Community Village and Meetups at Wikimania 2016

The scholarships are what they are: scholarships, not ticket to heaven.

Many factors go into approving an application for scholarships. Plus,
hundreds if not thousands apply for the scholarships every year. NOT
everyone can be accepted. Neither will everyone be rejected.

Some will need to go this year. Others will have to wait on the turn
(assuming they check all the application requirement boxes)
Unfortunately, this year, Nigeria couldn't win a scholarship slot.
That's unfortunate but NOT demoralising, I think. It's not as if anyone
promised you a scholarship...

To say it's 'demoralising' is a strong word to use here. How is it
demoralising? No one has guaranteed anyone of a scholarship should they
edit Wikipedia or not.

If because you didn't get the scholarship, and you think that's
demoralising and wish to stop contributing to Wikipedia, that's in your
hands. However, such an approach will defeat the whole purpose behind
contributing to Wikipedia.

We don't contribute to Wikipedia because we want scholarship. Rather,
it's primarily for the love of contributing to the freeness and openness
of knowledge globally.

Nigeria isn't the only country in the world, nor the country without a
representation this year at wikimania. That doesn't mean a country
representing is better than Nigeria. It simply means, there're fewer
slots than the scholarship grant can handle.

Forget about demoralisation! Help improve knowledge freely and openly. I
find that to be of more concern than anything at the moment.

I'll recommend we work on meeting the application criteria from now
until next year and hope to be called for scholarship. Even if then
we're still not called, keep making the world a better place with free
knowledge.

Hi Ginevra,

No scholarship was awarded to any member of the Wikimedia User Group
Nigeria. This is worrisome as Nigeria will not be represented at
Wikimania. I don't think this is a good idea and I wonder why American
and European countries have more representative than Africa. This is
demoralizing and the community is not happy about it.

Warmest regards,

Olatunde Isaac,
Manager, Wikipedia Education Program Nigeria
Coordinator, The Wikipedia Library, Yoruba.
Secretary, Wikimedia User Group Nigeria.
Phone: +2348166620737
Email: reachout2is...@gmail.com 
User page: Wikicology
Facebook: Olatunde Olalekan Isaac.
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Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Community consultation on the future of Wikimania

[Florence Devouard]

Le 03/12/15 20:21, Austin Hair a écrit :

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Ellie Young  wrote:

A lot of work has gone into preparing for  the consultation.It will be 
going out December 14.  We are looking forward to getting everyone's feedback 
in the weeks after and into early January.


Is there a particular reason it's being delayed until the 14th?

Austin

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Hello

I do not know if this is the only reason, but whilst the consultation is 
proposed by WMF, the steering committee has been invited to comment and 
to propose any modification that members would think needed (I answered 
by email to this request).
I believe the additional days is simply to make sure that some 
stakeholders review the current proposition to make sure that it is the 
clearest and most comprehensive one before it is open to community 
input. Call it review of the consultation ?


Flo

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[Wikimania-l] London Wikimania, past and future

[Florence Devouard]

Hello all

Before all, congrats to the organizing team and all the volunteers ! I 
liked that Wikimania a lot ! You did a great job guys.
Out of the pieces I will remember fondly (as in to be continued), I 
will probably put

- the community village (great move; must be continued absolutely
- workshops (to keep and extend)
- and comedy (though it was sometimes hard to understand for non native, 
I still had a lot of fun. May be particular particularly suited for this 
Wikimania, not for others later).



I just finished filling up the Wikimania feedback form and here are my 
thoughts



I was very happy that WMF took the time to actually make a feedback form 
and send it to all participants. But I was a bit wondering why it was 
actually sent to participants as if it was a Wikimedia Foundation event. 
I understand it is sent by the evaluation team and it might make sense 
to evaluate the impact of an event largely funded/run by Wikimedia 
Foundation. Still it would rather be expected from the Wikimania 
organizers themselves. I thought it was a bit odd. Thoughts ?



Also, I think it would have been cool if the Wikimania committee somehow 
had been involved in making that questionnaire. One of the reasons is 
that each Wikimania comes with its own flavor and I think that beyond 
the individual satisfaction of the attendee, we need to measure the 
impact of the larger picture.

Two links:
- the bid: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014_bids/London
- the actual site: 
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Village


One of the big core things pushed forward by the Wikimania 2014 team 
during the bid was the fact it wanted to be an outreached event. Did you 
know ? It was a sort of a tagline.
What was called wikifest in the bid gave birth to the Community 
Village (open to the public and free). My feeling is that it was a 
success. But that stays my feeling. I think it was useful, joyful, 
great place to see what groups/chapters/aligned organizations were 
doing, provided great local food, opportunities to charge laptops or 
store sweatshirt, easily crossed as we were going around. I saw 
non-Wikimedians having a look.
But did it work as a non-wikimedian outreach ? Or did it rather worked 
as a wikimedian not involved in groups/chapters outreach ? I actually 
do not know exactly. But I have the vague feeling that this should be 
continued.


The evaluation form stayed quite generic in terms (such as asking if we 
learned stuff from the sessions (yeah, we did)). Or collect the usual 
feedback (I guess everyone will mention that we would need more 
electrical plugs right ? Just as every year by the way :)).


I kind of regret we had no opportunity to slip in the questionnaire 
some questions related to the specificity of that conference to give 
more body to the questions.
So may I suggest that this post evaluation be an opportunity for 
collaboration between WMF evaluation team and Wikimania Committee in the 
future ? :)



Third thought... as a current Wikimania committee member as well as 
Wikimania jury member for 2014 bid process, I also would like to reflect 
on some of the significant discrepancies I identified between the bid 
and the actual event. Not in the spirit of confrontation and blind 
criticism, but in the spirit of transparency, goals and measures of 
success. Side benefit: helping jury to better evaluate future bids (I 
remind you that the call for volunteers is OPEN).

So bid link: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014_bids/London
The London bid was bold. Big things planned and big budget. The largest 
we ever saw. Cuts had to be made to the original bid and we ended up 
with a three tier system, depending on the money collected ultimately.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014_bids/London/Logistics/Financials 
(see the three tier)
My understanding is that the venue ended up being way more expensive 
than it was originally budgeted (I'd love figures on this) and 
obviously, fundraising did not go as well as hoped. I guess we wont have 
details before several months, but rough budget figures would be lovely.
Some people outlined a few points as not compliant with the bid (oyster 
cards or drinks and snacks throughout the day, same-day released edited 
videos of sessions, venue open 24/24) or not in line with what was 
announced in Wikimania 2013 (I was not there, this is earsay) such as 
closing party at the Tate. Other points worked quite well (indeed the 
wifi was good ! and all rooms were video equipped). Some thoughts on 
this would be welcome.
To be fair, Wikimania London team was the first one to be so explicit in 
what could be expected, so it is easy to criticize afterwards (in 
comparison, Mexico bid is much more vague so it won't be possible to 
list what should have been done. But it tickles me a bit... and in 
retrospect, I think bidders should provide clear statements on what they 
will make every effort to provide. Or we should provide 

Re: [Wikimania-l] Thank you!!!

[Florence Devouard]

On 7/19/12 10:00 AM, Manuel Schneider wrote:

Am 19.07.2012 08:34, schrieb Florence Devouard:

Hi guys

Salut Madame,


What's the favorite wiki page where we can collect our feedback on this
year Wikimania ?

vous voulez prendre ça:
https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Feedback

Cordialement,


Manuel


Merci

C'est beau quand tu me vouvoies

Flo


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[Wikimania-l] Feedback

[Florence Devouard]

https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Feedback

I dropped my comments over there.

There are three things on which I would like to specifically insist upon

The first is that I see a trend in seeing Wikimania as a conference 
rather than a sort of giant meetup. I regret it.
I was particularly sensible this year to the fact we had factions. I 
could see the French speaking guys hanging together here. And the German 
chapter people hanging there. And in another corner the editing 
community of the English Wikipedia. And over there, the Glam people. And 
though there were naturally bridges between those groups, there was not 
much mixing and bonding.
Seeing Wikimania as a conference is not really helping closing the gap. 
We get 4 or 5 sessions in parallel. Glam group goes there in the session 
related to Glam. Editing community goes there listening to the session 
related to arbitration. Chapter group here goes to listen to legal 
risks. And so on. The more sessions we have in parallel, the more chance 
that each group stick to its habits.
Adding side events does not necessarily help. When wandering in the 
street, we could meet with a group of iberocoop people sticking together 
or a group of WMF staff members heading to that restaurant. Even the 
wikichix meeting could have been done differently. Such as giving the 
time to each women of ONE table to present to each other rather than all 
of us to each other. And making sure that women do not sit by their 
friends but with new women.
The side meeting probably helping the most are actually visits (such as 
the visit to the Capitol) since these are smaller groups of various 
origins.
But there is this tendency to group with people you already know because 
it is always tough to get to new people you know little about.
In the past, I remember events that helped create more bonding. For 
example, sleeping in one area rather than dozen. For example, breaking a 
wikiball together. For example, hosting lightning talks in the main 
lobby all along the conference.
I think we need to think of Wikimania more as a networking event than it 
is right now. And give more chance to isolated people to connect and 
more chance to groups to break and bridge with other groups.
I hope there can be discussions on how to achieve that (looking at how 
networking groups do is a good direction) and that next year team will 
have that at heart.



The second is that I was actually surprised to see the organizing team 
put itself so much in the background.
I did not feel very satisfied that the team was essentially listed on a 
slide at the beginning and end of the conference and that we see a group 
of people on stage during 1 mn at the closing. If only because I will 
hardly remember any of the team member besides James, Aude and Danny. 
James as the leader. Aude and Danny because I already know them. But 
others ? Unfortunately not. Their names were plastered on an slide 
(since I didnot know them, it did not help me to recognise their face 
afterwards). In a regular conference, this is normal. We just thank the 
organizers and give them a one minute fame.
But at Wikimania, the team should be special. It should be leader and at 
the heart of the event. We should know who they are and at the end of 
the conference, I feel we should feel like hugging them like mad for 
what they did (or hate them :)). There are various ways to do that. Such 
as at least presenting each of them at the beginning so that we have a 
face in front of the name. Putting a big wall in the lobby with the face 
and name, their role, and their favorite food (or whatever). Setting up 
a 10 mn presentation at the beginning of the day. Having a contest with 
them on stage. A banner to sign. A tower in lego to destroy. Anything.



The third is WMF board. The QA is a tradition; but I feel 
traditions ought to change sometimes. It probably made more sense to 
have a board QA when we had no staff at all. Now, the staff is 
providing one keynote (Sue) plus many talks (not far from half of 
Wikimania talks I think) and providing plenty of input during three 
days. So the board QA is getting boring and not very useful anyway. 
Plus, as I told Jay, the concept of having a WMF staff select and ask 
the questions is setting up a barrier, thus increasing the distance 
between board and wikimedians. To be fair, I find it odd that most 
wikimedians have next to no idea of what the individual board members 
think on a specific topic. And most answers to board does not succeed to 
fix that. It should be clarified if the goal of this event is to help 
members understand better what individual members think OR if it is to 
understand better board strategy OR if it is to better understand 
certain issues. But if these issues are operational in nature, the 
questions should go to staff, not board.
I think it is time to have another format. I wonder if it might not make 
sense to rather select one hot topic per year and 

Re: [Wikimania-l] Why?

[Florence Devouard]

It did not look like you were this drunk though weird.
In any cases, it was no kidnapping ;)

Le 7/15/12 3:38 AM, Richard Symonds a écrit :

Too much rum? (Or too little)?
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On 15 July 2012 02:35, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org 
mailto:lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:


Probably you decided to go there at some point. If someone
kidnapped you and took you there, I suggest to contact the
conference hotline. But even though you may not remember, the
first sounds way more likely.

2012/7/15 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
mailto:thomas.dal...@gmail.com

I have just got back to my hotel from a wannabe goth night
club. Can anyone explain to me what the hell I was doing in a
wannabe goth night club in the middle of DC? Anyone?


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Re: [Wikimania-l] Iphone charger

[Florence Devouard]

This morning, I can see two iphone charger in my bag.
I reasonably only own one. I probably picked up one belonging to a 
chapter meeting participant yesterday.


If one of yours is missing, you may know why :)

Flo



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Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] Selection of winning bid for Wikimania 2013: Hong Kong

[Florence Devouard]

I am sure you guys will finish with flying colors :)
That's great news Yuyu. I look forward us moving again to Asia to meet 
you guys


Flo

On 5/3/12 12:34 PM, Jeromy-Yu Chan (Jerry~Yuyu) wrote:

Halo Everyone

(Firstly, short statement on behalf the team)

Thank you for your congratulations, we honored that we are awarded to 
host the 9th global Wikimedia Conference.
our team will work as best as we can, to facilitate such conference, 
and meet your expectations.


and we are lOOking forward to seeing you here in Hong Kong, and hope 
you will enjoy the conference!



(then a longer part of personal thoughts)

I recently read a story on Facebook:
Once upon a time, a boy behave badly in school, with very poor results
and his teacher told his father about the situation.

Then the father tell his kids, if the boy can get 0 mark in the exam
then the boy can do whatever he wants

But the boy found his way to get 0 marks, but actually he learnt all 
the correct answer in order to write down the wrong answer
Then his father told him, actually the boy actually can finishes his 
school works with flying colors


end of story

Actually the Hong Kong bid was similar situations,
even you ask me about the possibility having a Wikimania in Hong Kong
I would tell you that's impossible.

Even when we start to explore the possibility to have a Wikimania in HK
I personally thinks that would be a process proving it is impossible

but more and more supports comes, more volunteers willing to helps.

Our fellow local team really fights bit and bit for support,
that's why they are so eager to get the bid,
because we all know that is not really easy to have such support
especially for group with almost every organizer is so young :)


Well, there is still a lot things to be done ahead
so better end my note here, and get back to work!

A BIG thank you to everyone involved in the bidding process, 
especially to all the bidding teams!



On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info 
mailto:k...@ktchan.info wrote:


Congratulation Hong Kong! I'll be there. :)

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Re: [Wikimania-l] CD

[Florence Devouard]

I appreciate your concern Harel.

Warm thank yous

Ant

On 8/11/11 10:50 AM, Harel Cain wrote:
We at Wikimedia Israel are not ignoring the stories told on this 
thread, actually we're taking them very much to heart.


We are now considering a strong letter of complaint to various 
government agencies and a demand for formal written apology. Details 
will follow once we have decided on our course of action.



Harel Cain
Secretary, Wikimedia Israel


On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:07, James Hare messedroc...@gmail.com 
mailto:messedroc...@gmail.com wrote:


On Aug 11, 2011, at 9:49 AM, church.of.emacs.ml
http://church.of.emacs.ml church.of.emacs...@googlemail.com
mailto:church.of.emacs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On 08/10/2011 06:05 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:

 [...]

 In both cases I was traveling alone.  And in both cases I was
myself, a
 US citizen whose parents and name and skin color came from
South Asia.
 I can't pass as anything else.

 This is simply racism and harassment. There can be no excuse for
that
 kind of treatment.
 If this is the way even a citizen of the western world is
treated, I can
 understand very well why there were (almost?) no members of the Arab
 world in Israel.

 I find it regrettable that next Wikimania is going to be in
Washington
 D.C. Airport harassment might not be as severe as in Israel, but
perhaps
 severe enough so that Arab Wikimedians are prevented or
discouraged from
 attending.

 Don't get me wrong, Wikimania in Israel was fantastic and D.C. will
 probably be, too, but we have to focus more on accessibility for
*all*
 Wikimedians.

 Regards,
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While no one has the power to exempt anyone from security checks
(in fact, whenever former Secretary of State Colin Powell travels,
he gets the full check to show that everyone has to follow the
rules), we can coordinate with TSA, tell them about our conference
(including how tech-oriented some of the attendees are), and ask
them for advice to make the security check process as simple as
possible. My impression, though, is that while Israeli security
focuses on you as a person, TSA mostly focuses on your stuff.
Follow all their rules (take out laptop for separate x-ray scan,
only small bottles of liquid, etc.) and I think you will be fine,
but unfortunately I only have the perspective of a white US citizen.

I actually think the bigger obstacle will be obtaining a visa, for
those who don't live in visa exempt countries. As mentioned
earlier, we will do everything in our power to make the process
easier; we will even be looking into visa scholarships. It helps
that the US State Department knows what Wikipedia is and that they
have sent people to two Wikimanias, 2006 and 2011.

James
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Re: [Wikimania-l] CD

[Florence Devouard]

I was not asked for a CD, but when I showed the 3-4 pages printed on 
purpose to confirm my attendance, I was told I should have received 
another document for the security. I just said no, I did not.

When asked about my Egypt stamp, my answer was straight Wikipedia, 
annual conference each time in a different city (I listed them), this 
year in Haifa. Great time.

When asked why attending this conference was of any interest to me, I 
answered sweetly that I was a speaker. I felt that they liked this answer ;)

I entered the airport at the same time than Teemu. We went through the 
same procedure, in particular a different security line for the 
hand-luggage (with no queue... contrariwise to others). They had a 
special system for electronic gear. It felt as if their checking gate 
was more modern and giving finer results than the regular one. 3 years 
ago, I had this security person telling me that my laptop was a fake 
because I could not start Internet Explorer. This year, the lady asked 
me whether my (11 inch book air) laptop was actually a laptop or a ipad. 
It was put in a special padded box for scanning.

In an hour, we were all set.

However, other French people did not have the same luck. After 3 hours 
of control, items were confiscated, some with a ticket receipt, some 
without anything. Staff in Paris airport said it was unlikely it would 
be recovered. Another wikipedian mentionned behind the curtains search.

No bad ill toward the really wonderful organizers of Wikimania (you 
really rocked !), but to me, this behavior at borders security goes 
beyond what I consider acceptable. Even if it has no obvious outcome, I 
would really like that those who had bad experience report it either to 
their embassy or to Israel officials. Somehow, I think that a 3 hours 
check, with body search and confiscation of items, for citizens who show 
really no sign of being dangerous for the State of Israel and which are 
leaving the country (not entering it) and doing so in non-Israelian 
flight companies, is simply not respectful of human rights. And as any 
situation of abuse, just trying to go under the radar and regretting 
that it went so bad, is passively accepting what is not okay is giving 
the wrong message and calling for further abuse.

Florence




On 8/10/11 9:47 AM, Liam Wyatt wrote:
 I would suggest that it's not about the CD itself, but anything to prove 
 your attendance at the conference you said you went to. So, keep your 
 attendee badge easily available. The conference bag, the printed schedule or 
 other things that you picked up at Wikimania would be good. Just a suggestion,
 -Liam

 On 10/08/2011, at 5:37, WereSpielChequerswerespielchequ...@gmail.com  wrote:

 I'm in Jerusalem for a few more days, can anyone suggest how I can
 obtain one of these Wikimania CDs or what it could contain?

 WereSpielChequers

 On 9 August 2011 20:22, Nathannawr...@gmail.com  wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Harel Cainharel.c...@gmail.com  wrote:
 All credit goes to Arthur Schnitzler and his beautiful novella
 Traumnovelle, on which Kubrick's movie is based.

 It never ceases to amaze me what a huge diffrence between the treatment 
 that
 visitors and locals get at TLV. Even though I fly out quite often, for many
 years now my longest questioning was maybe 2 minutes, and my luggage was 
 not
 manually searched at all.

 Harel
 It doesn't seem amazing at all to me that El Al invests less suspicion
 in Jewish citizens of Israel, but that's just me :P

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Beach party

[Florence Devouard]

oki doki. Thanks !

On 8/6/11 7:49 AM, Guillaume Paumier wrote:


There will also be shuttles leaving from the hotels later (more 
details are in the shuttle schedule in the mini conf guide).


Le 6 août 2011 08:41, Florence Devouard anth...@anthere.org 
mailto:anth...@anthere.org a écrit :
 Is there only one shuttle leaving for the beach party from the 
venue, or

 several at different times ?

 I must say I am not terribly excited with the idea of going to a beach
 party with all my gear and in particular laptop, but droping it at the
 hotel would require a little break to do so. And a shuttle leaving at
 17h15 does not permit this. Any clarification ? :)

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Bahai Garden

[Florence Devouard]

Hello

I see on the Wikimania website that the visit begins at 9h. But where 
should we plan being at 9H ?

Thanks

flo

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Beach party

[Florence Devouard]

Is there only one shuttle leaving for the beach party from the venue, or 
several at different times ?

I must say I am not terribly excited with the idea of going to a beach 
party with all my gear and in particular laptop, but droping it at the 
hotel would require a little break to do so. And a shuttle leaving at 
17h15 does not permit this. Any clarification ? :)

Florence

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Re: [Wikimania-l] please arrive early to the airport

[Florence Devouard]

Ahah. No, I live in Clermont Fd and the airport is about 10 mn from my 
house by car. That's a small airport and there are few passengers. 
Getting in planes is really really really quick and easy. Anyone could 
be jalous :)

I have a transfer in Paris. If there is a fail, it will be in Paris, but 
I can not do anything to help except running fast between terminals :) 
If there is a fail, that's Air France job to make sure I reach Israel in 
the end anyway.

I am more worried about the return.

My experience with Israel is that it was easy to enter, but very hard to 
leave. Which tends to be tough to understand to me. Usually, it is the 
other way.

Florence

On 7/30/11 2:47 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
 If you, for example, fly from Marseille to Frankfurt and then to
 Tel-Aviv, then it may be OK. But double-checking with your travel
 agent or airline company won't hurt.


 2011/7/30 Florence Devouardanth...@anthere.org:
 Is that the right time to outline that my flight is departing from my city
 at 07h20 and that I do plan to be at the airport at... say... 06h55 ? Should
 be 'nough.

 Florence

 On 7/30/11 1:35 PM, Itzik Edri wrote:

 I agree with Harel,
 I also few Dozens times, and I never got more than two hours - two and a
 half before :)
 Itzik
 On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Harel Cainharel.c...@gmail.com  wrote:
 I flew over 20 times in and out of Israel in the last couple of years and
 was never in the airport more than 2 hours before the flight, and everything
 was fine. However, for Israelis the procedures can indeed be quicker.

  From what I know the recommended time to be in TLV for tourists is 3 hours
 before the flight. I never heard about a 3.5 hour recommendation.

 When flying into Israel, if you're not flying El Al there's no special
 reason to be earlier there than normal. But take an extra half an hour for
 safety. Also bear in mind that it's peak holiday season and the airports all
 over the world are very busy.



 Harel Cain
 Wikimania 2011 local team

 On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 13:52, Amir E. Aharoni
 amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il  wrote:
 A couple of people commented privately and told me that i may be
 exaggerating. I am not exaggerating: on all my direct flights to and
 from Israel in the recent years the agents requested that i be at the
 airport 3 and a half hours before the flight. I am actually happy
 about it: it's a great chance to read a book instead of email :)

 There is an exception, though: If you have a transfer flight, don't
 worry, because that is supposed to be arranged. If the first part of
 your itinerary is a short local flight inside North America, Europe,
 China, India etc., then much shorter times may apply. To be sure,
 please call the agent who provided you the ticket and ask when should
 you be at the departure airport. To double-check, call the airline
 company. Ask about both directions!


 2011/7/30 Amir E. Aharoniamir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il
 Hello,

 Some Wikimaniacs already landed in Israel, but most of you will be
 flying in the next few days.

 The travel agent who sold you the plane ticket must have told you
 this, but let me re-iterate it, because it's very, very important:
 When you go to Israel, arrive to the airport three and a half hours
 before the departure! For example, if your flight departs at 22:00,
 you must already be at the airport at 18:30. Yes, that is a lot of
 time. It is needed because of security checks, although it doesn't
 mean that you'll spend three hours in interrogations and X-rays -
 you'll probably spend most of it reading or browsing the duty-free
 store. Nevertheless, don't arrive late!

 The same is true for the return flight: When you go from Israel back
 home, arrive at the Ben-Gurion airport three and a half hours before
 the departure.

 Make sure you take a good book to spend the waiting time productively!
 :)

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs announces Wikimania

[Florence Devouard]

On 7/30/11 1:05 AM, phoebe ayers wrote:


Yes. I visited israel this spring and had no trouble at all getting 
in-  super fast. But-  and this was very surprising to me-  all the 
questioning came when I left :) so do leave extra time when you go 
back to the airport.

Best,
Phoebe

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I had a similar experience when I went there. Got soo many questions 
when I wanted to leave the country. I am planning 3 hours in advance at 
the airport.


Flo
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[Wikimania-l] About the Wikimania 2011: Important Information for your Upcoming Participation

[Florence Devouard]

Just got it and wanted to say great stuff. Thank you very much guys. 
Very helpful

Flo

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Re: [Wikimania-l] TRIVIA tonight!

[Florence Devouard]

On 7/20/10 9:54 AM, Lodewijk wrote:



2010/7/20 Aphaia aph...@gmail.com mailto:aph...@gmail.com

in addition to general gratitude for the conference organization, I'd
like to thank you all who organized this quiz show and the party
itself as well. It made a fun ... including the experience missing the
last tram! I was really amazed my flesh and blood had preserved still
the elements of 80's prodigal Tokyo girl, thrived by the old Gdanska
skyline in the dawn.


last tram? You mean the first?


There was a tram ?
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Thank you!

[Florence Devouard]

Nathan wrote:
 I wasn't there, but I'll echo Erik, Ting and Jerry - from everything
 I've read, the organizers did a great job and really represented the
 Wikimedia community well. Thanks for your hard work and
 congratulations on a job well done.

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After having been a member of the past 5 Wikimanias, I have to outline 
how nicely organized everything was. Indeed, the bar is raised very very 
high now for the future events.
Great program, great people, great food, great parties. Even 
unexpectedly warm winter weather. Patricio, you were worried the first 
day about the two event location... that was no trouble whatsoever. 
Thank you as well for the videos and live streaming, and for the 
translation service.

Yeah, all of you guys did a great job !

ant

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Arrival on Tuesday afternoon; anyone else?

[Florence Devouard]

Hi

I get there at 8h20 am Jerry; from Madrid.

Shall we meet somewhere ?
Do you have a cell phone number ?
Which city will you get from ?

Cheers

Ant

Jerry~Yuyu wrote:
 er 
 9:30 am I'm cannot wait that long 

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 On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:01, Guillaume Paumier 
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 Hi,

 I expect quite a few people will be arriving on Tuesday 25. My flight
 is landing at 1:10 pm. Would anyone be interested in gathering in
 order to go to the hotel together?

 (Feel free to answer privately to avoid sending to the list; I can
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Travel

[Florence Devouard]

Hmmm, got the link just right. I must say I hesitate to plan taking the 
last train, given the time of arrival. The latest thing I want is to be 
5 mn too late to pick up the last train and find myself alone in the 
middle of the city at 23pm :-(((
I think it might be best that I plan to stay in a hotel at night, 
probably at the airport, and then pick up a morning train...
I'll explore the option...

Ant

Nada Rady wrote:
 Dear Ant,
 I don't have a direct link to the schedule, but I'm from Alexandria and 
 studying in Cairo since 2005, so I know that the latest train from cairo 
 to Alex daily leaves at 10:30 pm, and also there is 6, 7, 8, and 9 pm
 Thanks
 
 Nada
 
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 Hello,

 I could not find the timetable for the train between Cairo and
 Alexandrina. Does anyone have a link to provide or can tell what is the
 latest time a train leaves Cairo on Sundays ? and on Mondays ?

 Thanks

 Ant

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Travel

[Florence Devouard]

Yo ! Excellent. thanks

Ant

Justin Senseney wrote:
 This website has the expanded timetable and also has a good explanation 
 for differences between classes and the difference between the Express 
 and Turbine trains:
 
 http://www.seat61.com/Egypt.htm#Cairo%20-%20Alexandria
 
 -Justin
 
 On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Maria Fanucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 http://www.egyptrail.gov.eg/docs/online/online.html?from=00108to=05818
 http://www.egyptrail.gov.eg/docs/online/online.html?from=00108to=05818
 
 (If it doesn't work, just go to the main page and choose
 CairoAlexandria.)
 --Maria
 
 
 On 6/9/08, *Florence Devouard* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I could not find the timetable for the train between Cairo and
 Alexandrina. Does anyone have a link to provide or can tell what
 is the
 latest time a train leaves Cairo on Sundays ? and on Mondays ?
 
 Thanks
 
 Ant
 
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Re: [Wikimania-l] http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

[Florence Devouard]

Yes, I met him. Did not have much time to chat though. He is an 
extremely kind person.

Ant

  simonpedia wrote:
 *Muhammad Alsebaey* shipmaster at gmail.com  
 mailto:wikimania-l%40lists.wikimedia.org?Subject=%5BWikimania-l%5D%20http%3A//wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_PageIn-Reply-To=35be2a710802052015q77b6991h352c40f424c7c351%40mail.gmail.com
 
 on /Wed Feb 6 04:35:01 UTC 2008/
 
 /Said,/
 
  
 
 However I think you feel we have no progress on this front so I will fill
 
 you (and everyone) in:
 
  
 
  
 
 Thanks  Muhammad,
 
  
 
 That’s all I ask for. Someone has to be the shipmaster and I’m too old 
 to be subtle about finding them. You’re aware that Florence went to 
 Davos, and hopefully met the Library’s director. As far as my Dec. 
 suggestion about asking (someone like) him, and Jimmy, to do a 
 comparison between the oldest (continuous) western library and the 
 newest, it might get a few creative juices flowing (and hopefully) 
 attract a few other national librarians. You might even lead the 
 librarians by showing them this UN sponsored project.. 
  http://www.worlddigitallibrary.org/project/english/video.html
 
  
 
 You already have one fixed session with Sue announcing that someone from 
 this team would be talking about the wikisurvey. 
 http://ccg.merit.unu.edu/ (NB the link off to the left). There’s a 
 thread here between the two, though to the UN.
 
  
 
 As another idea in trying to introduce Wikimedia’s global communities to 
 some semi-related others, if you click on the link down the bottom left 
 on a the ccg’s page, through to unu-merit, you’ll see they’re announcing 
 that they’ve just launched an OpencourseWare portal. I’m not sure if 
 this is in anyway useful – the commonality with wikmedia is that OCWC is 
 about free content. I just didn’t notice Egypt on their consortia’s 
 page. 
  
 http://www.ocwconsortium.org/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=15Itemid=29
  
 http://www.ocwconsortium.org/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=15Itemid=29
 
  
 
 It’s a bit late in the day now to attract most of the people I was 
 hoping for. They set their conference agenda’s late in one year for the 
 next. So would you mind considering the idea of linking up between a few 
 places in different parts of the world and Alexandria. I’ve flagged this 
 tool, but the bibliotech’s guys will have their own preference. 
 http://www.accessgrid.org/home The technical stuff is pretty straight 
 forward, but as you can imagine, it might be a bit too much of a 
 surprise for WMF’s communities this year. All the best.
 
 
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[Wikimania-l] Wikimania 09

[Florence Devouard]

Hello guys

Just a short word to say that yesterday the board briefly discussed 
Wikimania 2009, and that we would like to ask that Frieda and Kat be on 
the jury to decide for the future location of Wikimania in 2009. There 
will be only two board members involved at jury level :-)

Thanks

Cheers

Ant

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2008 date first IRC public meeting

[Florence Devouard]

Well, I happen to disagree.
We already held 3 wikimanias, and I think a big part of their success 
was because it was organized by wikipedians from every part of the 
planet. Of course, there was always more local people involved, but 
there was not ONLY local people;
When it comes to the very practical organization (such as accomodations, 
decoration of the rooms and other renting of microphone, it is cleaer 
the local team will be first on the front and it makes sense to choose 
meeting times which primarily fit with their schedule.

However, when it comes to stuff like program, international involvement 
is expected and priority should be given to accomodating as many of 
people as possible. If that involves making smaller action groups or 
rotating hours of meetings, so be it. We will never be able to satisfy 
everyone. But we can make efforts.


Ant

  Smart Robots wrote:
 Hi there,
  
 Since Egypt is the country which will hold the wikimania for 2008 so I 
 think it's so wisely from Mido to adjust the time according to egypt 
 timing as the volunteers ( that will organize it ) can easily be founded 
 , I know these meetings have participations from all over the world.
  
 No offense
 And this is not official I am just a subscriber !!
 
 */Aphaia [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:
 
 Corr.
 
 for me 5am, for Titan (and KJ) 4am.
 While I know some people like this hour (e.g. Board election debate,
 ComProj meetings), I am worried this tendency to hold Wikimedia
 relation around 18-20 UTC, moreover to say it hour good for everyone
 (while Mido didn't call it so wisely). Simply there is no such hour
 which is good for everyone.
 
 Again, time rotation is the best solution in my opinion.
 
 On Dec 10, 2007 11:42 AM, Aphaia wrote:
   On Dec 10, 2007 11:22 AM, E wrote:
Exactly, it's 4am here in Australia... possibly 20:00UTC would be
preferable.
  
   Not really: 20UTC is for me 4am.
   
- E
   
   
   
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2008 date first IRC public meeting

[Florence Devouard]

Mido wrote:
 Hello all,
  
 I'm pleased to announce that Wikimania 2008 happening in Alexandria will 
 be from 19th to 21st of July 2008.
 The Conference will run for 3 days, side events and sechdule shall be 
 announced before the conference begins.
 Registration for Wikimania will be opened in early march, call for 
 papers will begin in February and Scholarship application will likely 
 begin early next year.
  
 You're all invited to be part of the online team responsible for website 
 maintenance, streaming, etc..
 We're holding our first public meeting online on Wikimania 2008 IRC 
 channel on Thursday 13th Dec, at 18:00 UTC. Agenda will include but not 
 limited to: Messaging and slogans for the conference, we didn't yet 
 decide the main theme of the conference and how it will be presented in 
 Egypt or worldwide, your input will be greatly appreciated.
 See you in Alexandria :)
  
 On behalf of the organizing team,
 Mohamed Ibrahim [[Mido]]
 Lead coordinator for Wikimania 2008
 
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Hello

Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend that meeting (I would have 
loved to), but I will be in a train at that time. Can you save the log 
of the discussion ?

I'll be happy to participate to the program and main theme selection 
this year :-)

Cheers

Ant



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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2008 Public Meeting with Bidders

[Florence Devouard]

Cary Bass wrote:
 Wikinews Markie wrote:
   
 Just 2 things about this.  Will the meeting be logged as i can't make 
 it due to travel arrangements and i dont want to miss it!  Also the 
 channel was set as invite only, is this going to be removed for the 
 chat (sorry if it has been already - havent made it onto irc for a day 
 or two).
  
 
 1) The meeting will be logged.
 2) As we haven't completely decided on the meeting format, whatever the 
 status of the channel today has nothing to do with it on Sunday.  We'll 
 deal with that Sunday, okay?  :)

   

I would suggest not making it invite-only (otherwise, do not call it 
Public Meeting)
But either
* give voice only to Wikimania bid team and all city bid team (it is 
public, but non bidders can not speak) (you technically prevent non 
bidders to talk)
* ask the public to limit its questions to certain moments (everyone can 
talk, but non bidders are kindly ask not to interrupt individual city 
presentation) (you do not prevent talking by technical mean, but by 
persuation. Those who do not respect the rules are kicked out of the 
room. Rules must be clear from the start of the meeting).

Ant

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[Wikimania-l] [Fwd: Dinners]

[Florence Devouard]

 Original Message 
Subject: Dinners
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:59:36 +0200
From: Florence Devouard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hello

Quick question ('cause I did not find the information on the website).

Normally, there should be two special dinners planned. One is the
general wikimania party and one is the vip party.

I understood VIP party is on the 5th; Can you confirm ?
Which date is the wikimania party?

Is there anything special planned on the third day ?

Ant


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Re: [Wikimania-l] Film: Don't Get Lost

[Florence Devouard]

KaurJmeb wrote:
 I made a short film, Don't get Lost, to show how to go to wikimania 2007
 venue from airport.
 I hope it useful for everyone.

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eh !
that's cool to see your faces and your smiles :-)

ant

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Sponsorship letter

[Florence Devouard]

Pierre Beaudouin wrote:
 Florence Devouard a écrit :
 Hello,

 I wrote here a sponsorship letter, largely based on the one wrote last 
 year. I tried to tweak it to fit this year situation.

 Please have a look at it and comment. I changed the amounts of 
 sponsorship according to values I found on the wikimania site. There 
 may be some mistakes left and possibly language to improve :-)

 Please give a feedback.

 Once we are happy with the letter, can you Pyb and Schiste, help with 
 sending them to the various names you came up with ?

 One thing I still need to know is which specific events we can still 
 propose for sponsorship.

 Is someone specifically covering
 * the breakfasts
 * the lunches
 * the big party
 * the sponsor party
 * the hacking days
 * the citizen unconference
 * the wikireaders
 * the awards (some already covered)
 * the scholarship (aside from CHT)
 * or whatever else we could sell...


 I know that I already got partial answers for this.
 Just need a clear recap


 ant


 
 Where is the letter ?
 
 -- 
 ~Pyb


Arg

Here:http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sponsorship_letter

Thinking about it, we can also mention that presents (for awards) would 
be welcome.

ant

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania issues

[Florence Devouard]

Oh and... happy new year tomorrow to the chinese community !

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:New_Year_Scene.jpg

anthere


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