Re: [Wikimedia-l] law enforcement buying vulnerabilities on black market leaving them unreported for surveillance
I aggree with JP Béland: the computer security obviously affects the Wikimedia users, but imho we shouldn’t do more than we can and let the responsability of their own security to the users -- although we should contribute for a decent security. For the specific topic you brought about 0-days, I’m not personnaly surprised, this type of market was revealed some time ago, see for instance http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/03/23/shopping-for-zero-days-an-price-list-for-hackers-secret-software-exploits/. ~ Seb35 Le Tue, 20 Aug 2013 07:30:09 +0200, JP Béland lebo.bel...@gmail.com a écrit: I'm not sure what is your point here. How exactly readers of Wikimedia projects are at risk here because of that story? Are you trying to say it is the Foundation responsibility to protect the readers from the vulnerabilities of their operating systems? JP Béland 2013/8/19 James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com While the trickling release of Edward Snowden's revelations from bad to worse in weekly incremental steps has been enormously effective in swaying public opinion, it has made formulating a meaningful response very difficult. A few weeks ago we learned that the FBI has been purchasing personal computer operating system vulnerabilities from gray and black-hat hackers on the black market, often for several tens of thousands of dollars each, and leaving them unreported and thereby unpatched for use in future surveillance operations: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/08/01/how-the-fbi-hacks-criminal-suspects/ Unfortunately, this means that the vulnerabilities remain available to the criminal computer crime underground, affecting everyone including Foundation project readers and contributors alike. Very recently a well respected group of researchers characterized this state of affairs as preferable to the complexity of additional surveillance network and systems infrastructure: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2312107 This is a false dichotomy which directly places Foundation project readers and editors at risk, but does so along with virtually everyone else who uses personal computer or smartphone equipment. However, I think it is an important aspect to address because none of the other recent eavesdropping revelations put people at risk to organized computer crime, blackmail, and extortion in the same way. Is there any reason to exclude action on a particular issue just because it effects everyone else along with our users? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Hong Kong diary
Dear friends of free knowledge, Over the past days I have been approached by many of you with kind remarks on the experimental WCA year; actually, I am fine and looking forward to finish some work discussed on in Hong Kong. (Let yourself be surprised. :-) ) Thank you, and see you again soon in Wikimedia country. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ziko/Hong_Kong_diary Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Hong Kong diary
Hello Ziko, I like your diary very much and I just love your point regarding fundamental lack of political education among the activists. Regards, Pavlo On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nlwrote: Dear friends of free knowledge, Over the past days I have been approached by many of you with kind remarks on the experimental WCA year; actually, I am fine and looking forward to finish some work discussed on in Hong Kong. (Let yourself be surprised. :-) ) Thank you, and see you again soon in Wikimedia country. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ziko/Hong_Kong_diary Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] An idea that may improve Wikipedia's fundraising
Sue: I also hate the idea of premiums. We will never want to do lame premiums. But there may in the future be a cool thing to offer with donations, who knows -- so why limit ourselves by saying we will never ever do something? Zack On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: A supportive anecdote for you, Matt: Back in 2008, I got toured through the fundraising operation of one of the major American public broadcasters. It had a large fundraising team that included a group dedicated solely to tracking and shipping premiums. Its boss advised us to avoid going down the premiums road: he said once you start it's very difficult to stop, because donors grow to expect them. I remember being reminded of a study, I think by Dan Ariely, in which he found that if you offer people small material incentives for doing something, they begin to see the transaction in self-interested terms, and the incentive can end up being viewed as too small -- insulting, and not good value. Essentially IIRC small material incentives can have the effect of shifting people from an intrinsically-motivated mindset (donor) into a transactional mindset (economically-self-interested rational actor). So, I agree with you that before we instituted premiums, we'd want to think long and hard about what benefits they would bring, and what unintended consequences might result. Thanks, Sue On Aug 15, 2013 4:20 AM, Matthew Walker mwal...@wikimedia.org wrote: Technology limitations aside, there are two things we throw around in the team a lot; that we should not give the impression that a user *must* pay to use a WMF property, and that we will never ever do gift premiums. This sounds a bit like Fundraising principles or similar. Are these documented anywhere (e.g. on Meta-Wiki)? If not, I think it'd be great to start a page. :-) In the past days there's been discussion internal to the fundraising team -- it appears that the 'fundraising principles' I thought we held are not uniformly held by others. In this particular instance it seems that gift premiums are not entirely off the table. I've been told that the reason we have not done them in the past is mostly due to technical limitations. The current view is that we should keep our options open to future experimentation if the situation allows. personal hat At this I'll take off my foundation hat and state that I remain firmly opposed to gift premiums being used as a donation incitement. I hope that if we do, at some point, press forward and experiment with premiums that, before this happens, ... - We show reasonable evidence that the gain in monetary income will fully offset the new cost in managing gifts. - We either have some method to ship worldwide without subsidy; or we communicate beforehand that we will not be able to do this in some regions *and* that we understand and have a plan for the fallout that will probably cause. - We have premiums that actually mean something to the movement; e.g. you do not donate $100 and get a t-shirt. - We show reasonable evidence that if the experiment doesn't work that we will not have hurt our future donation prospects. (E.g. will people always expect premiums if we offer them once?) - That we have a solid communications plan in place to immediately offset any possible suggestion that you are 'buying' a piece of the foundation with your donation. Just my two cents. /personal hat ~Matt Walker Wikimedia Foundation Fundraising Technology Team On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Matthew Walker wrote: Technology limitations aside, there are two things we throw around in the team a lot; that we should not give the impression that a user *must* pay to use a WMF property, and that we will never ever do gift premiums. Hi Matt. This sounds a bit like Fundraising principles or similar. Are these documented anywhere (e.g. on Meta-Wiki)? If not, I think it'd be great to start a page. :-) MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Zack Exley Chief Revenue Officer Wikimedia Foundation
Re: [Wikimedia-l] An idea that may improve Wikipedia's fundraising
Yes MZ, agreed that this is would be good to have documented on meta. In fact this has been raised in our internal discussion already. At the moment one of my side projects is a major overhaul of the fundraising pages on meta, and I plan to incorporate aims and principles into this prominently. I'm hoping to post a draft in the next few weeks, and will post to this list when I do. On 19 Aug 2013 05:57, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Matthew Walker wrote: In the past days there's been discussion internal to the fundraising team -- it appears that the 'fundraising principles' I thought we held are not uniformly held by others. In this particular instance it seems that gift premiums are not entirely off the table. I've been told that the reason we have not done them in the past is mostly due to technical limitations. The current view is that we should keep our options open to future experimentation if the situation allows. Hi. I think establishing fundraising principles and documenting them at Meta-Wiki would still be a great idea. Would you be able to start such a page if one doesn't exist already? Outside of purely fundraising techniques, establishing what is and is not appropriate for fundraising banners would also be nice to have. For example, are splash pages off the table? CentralNotice has previously been used to completely block out the site, so it's certainly technically possible. What about banners that obstruct or obfuscate article content? Are these ever acceptable? Is it okay to stretch the truth if it brings in more money (e.g., Wikipedia Executive Director)? I think clarity as to what the Wikimedia Foundation fundraising team considers appropriate or off-limits in order to reach its goals is very important to have. MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Hong Kong diary
yep. i strongly agree 'an understanding of some basic concepts and ideas' is really important, i believe but what-makes-wikiworld-go just doesn't seem to work within a 'formal' organization i wonder if a 'visible' hierarchy 'reverts' users into ordinary people... ziko, thank you for sharing this! best regards, antanana 2013/8/20 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com Hello Ziko, I like your diary very much and I just love your point regarding fundamental lack of political education among the activists. Regards, Pavlo On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Dear friends of free knowledge, Over the past days I have been approached by many of you with kind remarks on the experimental WCA year; actually, I am fine and looking forward to finish some work discussed on in Hong Kong. (Let yourself be surprised. :-) ) Thank you, and see you again soon in Wikimedia country. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ziko/Hong_Kong_diary Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Hong Kong diary
That's exactly what Ziko is talking about: Hierarchy really 'reverts' users into real people, but moreover - it gives them power to command the resources (people and money are just resources for many of 'commanders'), and politics - how to gain ASAP and then to keep ...ALAP (as long as possible) the commandment position (through the elections etc.). ...and that 'ordinary' people suffer of proper knowledge about power, (democratic) procedures etc. (see the Ziko' explanation), but what is worse - organisation suffers even more (much more). On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:47 PM, attolippip attolip...@gmail.com wrote: yep. i strongly agree 'an understanding of some basic concepts and ideas' is really important, i believe but what-makes-wikiworld-go just doesn't seem to work within a 'formal' organization i wonder if a 'visible' hierarchy 'reverts' users into ordinary people... ziko, thank you for sharing this! best regards, antanana 2013/8/20 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com Hello Ziko, I like your diary very much and I just love your point regarding fundamental lack of political education among the activists. Regards, Pavlo On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Dear friends of free knowledge, Over the past days I have been approached by many of you with kind remarks on the experimental WCA year; actually, I am fine and looking forward to finish some work discussed on in Hong Kong. (Let yourself be surprised. :-) ) Thank you, and see you again soon in Wikimedia country. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ziko/Hong_Kong_diary Kind regards Ziko Dr. Ziko van Dijk voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland Postbus 167 3500 AD Utrecht http://wikimedia.nl ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Block evasion might be a federal offense
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: http://feedly.com/k/14WeLcY I wish I was grossly misrepresenting the situation here. If I am, please do set me straight. You're not wrong, but getting the attention of a federal prosecutor would be easier for jaywalking in a National Park. It applies only to extreme situations. Fred I think you misread this, Fred. The case (Craigslist v. 3taps) is a private entity suing another[1] for relief from violations of the CFAA[2], and the article is about a recent ruling in that case.[3] The Wikimedia analog might be the WMF suing Grawp (or similar) for repeated violations of technological barriers (and other means) of revoking access to the site. The ruling seems to establish that Wikimedia is entitled to legally revoke access on a case by case basis, and that an IP ban is a sufficient technological barrier to meet the standard. At least that is the apparent state of the law in the Northern District of California, which incidentally includes San Francisco (and the WMF). [1]: http://www.scribd.com/document_downloads/100933709?extension=pdffrom=embed [2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act [3]: http://www.volokh.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Order-Denying-Renewed-Motion-to-Dismiss.pdf ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Block evasion might be a federal offense
Discussed several times with no clear outcome. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-January/123678.html https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terms_of_use/Archives/2011-10-06#WSJ_Op-Ed_.22Should_Faking_a_Name_on_Facebook_Be_a_Felony.3F.22 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terms_of_use/Archives/2011-11-08#Is_this_enforceable.3F https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terms_of_use/Archives/2011-12-13#Criminal_liability_for_breaching_the_TOU Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Looking for Wikipedians to add already translated articles
We at WikiProject Medicine are working on a collaborative effort with Translators Without Borders (TWB), a group which includes 2,000 or so volunteer translators. We are working to translate key medical articles into as many other languages as possible. Currently we have translated content into 50 or so languages amounting to 2.3 million words of text. The process involves first bringing articles to either GA or FA status in English. They are then delivered, with MediaWiki markup in place, to the TWB website where the text is sent out to the translators. Once translated we at Wikipedia are notified via orange links on this page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MED/Progress This issue currently is that we are missing Wikipedians in some languages to add / combine the translated content into the respective Wikipedia. Some of the article created through this process have reached feature article status including translations into Hungarian of anaphylaxis and hypertension. We currently have translated content in the following languages waiting to be integrated: Hindi Chinese Persian Tagalog Indonesian Macedonian Greek Bulgarian Danish Polish Swedish Arabic Ukrainian Dutch Czech Serbian Slovenian Spanish Telugu Tamil Punjabi Turkish Kurdish Thai Swahili Yoruba Kinyarwanda An overview of the efforts can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TTF If you are interested in getting involved in adding translated articles instructions are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Translation_task_force/Adding_content If you have further question or comments I would welcome the feedback. James Heilman MD, CCFP(EM), Wikipedian WikiProject Medicine The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking for Wikipedians to add already translated articles
A big thank you to all the translations from TWB and for you James for organizing that, this is a great project and awesome results! Thanks! JP Béland aka Amqui 2013/8/20 James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com We at WikiProject Medicine are working on a collaborative effort with Translators Without Borders (TWB), a group which includes 2,000 or so volunteer translators. We are working to translate key medical articles into as many other languages as possible. Currently we have translated content into 50 or so languages amounting to 2.3 million words of text. The process involves first bringing articles to either GA or FA status in English. They are then delivered, with MediaWiki markup in place, to the TWB website where the text is sent out to the translators. Once translated we at Wikipedia are notified via orange links on this page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MED/Progress This issue currently is that we are missing Wikipedians in some languages to add / combine the translated content into the respective Wikipedia. Some of the article created through this process have reached feature article status including translations into Hungarian of anaphylaxis and hypertension. We currently have translated content in the following languages waiting to be integrated: Hindi Chinese Persian Tagalog Indonesian Macedonian Greek Bulgarian Danish Polish Swedish Arabic Ukrainian Dutch Czech Serbian Slovenian Spanish Telugu Tamil Punjabi Turkish Kurdish Thai Swahili Yoruba Kinyarwanda An overview of the efforts can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TTF If you are interested in getting involved in adding translated articles instructions are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Translation_task_force/Adding_content If you have further question or comments I would welcome the feedback. James Heilman MD, CCFP(EM), Wikipedian WikiProject Medicine The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
