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Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia for visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices? Rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Hi Rupert, Wikimedia UK is currently looking at this in relation to our own wiki. There's some thoughts and notes at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Accessibility_of_the_Wikimedia_UK_website which draw extensively from information provided by the Royal National Institute of Blind People - http://www.rnib.org.uk/Pages/Home.aspx I hope this is useful. Stevie On 15 January 2014 08:26, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia for visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices? Rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Hoi, One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already serves one function for people who have a handicap with their perception. It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are multiple ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size of the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some people only see yellow on white..) If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the functionality but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of MediaWiki and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)... Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is being developed. Thanks, GerardM On 15 January 2014 09:26, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia for visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices? Rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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How about starting with what a 'ULS' is? That would help :) On 15 January 2014 08:50, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already serves one function for people who have a handicap with their perception. It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are multiple ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size of the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some people only see yellow on white..) If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the functionality but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of MediaWiki and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)... Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is being developed. Thanks, GerardM On 15 January 2014 09:26, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia for visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices? Rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired
ULS is short for the Universal Language Selector extension. This tool provides language selection, webfonts and keyboard layouts for different languages. It appears if you click the gear icon near the interlanguage links. Among other things, it provides the OpenDyslexic font for some languages written in the Latin alphabet, and it is supposed to be more comfortable to read for dyslexic people. So it can be considered and accessibility tool, but I don't think that it is relevant for visually-impaired people. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014/1/15 Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk How about starting with what a 'ULS' is? That would help :) On 15 January 2014 08:50, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already serves one function for people who have a handicap with their perception. It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are multiple ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size of the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some people only see yellow on white..) If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the functionality but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of MediaWiki and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)... Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is being developed. Thanks, GerardM On 15 January 2014 09:26, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia for visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices? Rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired
WOW on toast! Thanks Amir. On 15 January 2014 09:47, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.ilwrote: ULS is short for the Universal Language Selector extension. This tool provides language selection, webfonts and keyboard layouts for different languages. It appears if you click the gear icon near the interlanguage links. Among other things, it provides the OpenDyslexic font for some languages written in the Latin alphabet, and it is supposed to be more comfortable to read for dyslexic people. So it can be considered and accessibility tool, but I don't think that it is relevant for visually-impaired people. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014/1/15 Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk How about starting with what a 'ULS' is? That would help :) On 15 January 2014 08:50, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already serves one function for people who have a handicap with their perception. It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are multiple ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size of the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some people only see yellow on white..) If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the functionality but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of MediaWiki and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)... Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is being developed. Thanks, GerardM On 15 January 2014 09:26, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia for visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices? Rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired
rupert THURNER, 15/01/2014 09:26: Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia for visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices? WMDE is working on this (mainly Hoo with help by TheDJ), building on recommendations compiled by WMCH. Main coordination page is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accessibility A possible project with a reasonable scale even for a volunteer is IMHO: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#Accessibility_for_the_colour-blind Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Hoi, What the ULS is.. the universal language selector is started with this little round thingie next to the interwiki links. The fact that it is not even known in this crowd is indicative how little this functionality is known and how few people will find usability tools. One thing we need to do is promote the use of usability tools... this becomes easier when there are more of them Thanks, GerardM On 15 January 2014 10:34, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: How about starting with what a 'ULS' is? That would help :) On 15 January 2014 08:50, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already serves one function for people who have a handicap with their perception. It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are multiple ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size of the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some people only see yellow on white..) If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the functionality but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of MediaWiki and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)... Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is being developed. Thanks, GerardM On 15 January 2014 09:26, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia for visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices? Rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired
Hoi, How is dyslexia anything BUT a visual impairment ? Thanks, GerardM On 15 January 2014 10:47, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.ilwrote: ULS is short for the Universal Language Selector extension. This tool provides language selection, webfonts and keyboard layouts for different languages. It appears if you click the gear icon near the interlanguage links. Among other things, it provides the OpenDyslexic font for some languages written in the Latin alphabet, and it is supposed to be more comfortable to read for dyslexic people. So it can be considered and accessibility tool, but I don't think that it is relevant for visually-impaired people. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014/1/15 Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk How about starting with what a 'ULS' is? That would help :) On 15 January 2014 08:50, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already serves one function for people who have a handicap with their perception. It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are multiple ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size of the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some people only see yellow on white..) If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the functionality but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of MediaWiki and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)... Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is being developed. Thanks, GerardM On 15 January 2014 09:26, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia for visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices? Rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:05 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi, How is dyslexia anything BUT a visual impairment ? Thanks, GerardM Dyslexia can also has some serious auditory symptoms (processing speed, auditory memory, verbal comprehension, voice recognition.. etc). The stereotype is the reading/writing aspect but it is very much not the only one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyslexia James ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Hoi, I am totally with you. However we can only help where we can. Providing the font and make it accessible is one way. Thanks, GerardM On 15 January 2014 11:18, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:05 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi, How is dyslexia anything BUT a visual impairment ? Thanks, GerardM Dyslexia can also has some serious auditory symptoms (processing speed, auditory memory, verbal comprehension, voice recognition.. etc). The stereotype is the reading/writing aspect but it is very much not the only one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyslexia James ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired
Can WMUK collaborate with WMDE (and others) on this to push it forward? Obviously a lot of good work has already been done, but perhaps it now needs some long term commitment and leadership to ensure that what has been done is made easily accessible, and to work on filling gaps in functionality (covering all aspects of disability). Michael WMUK Chair On 15 Jan 2014, at 09:34, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: How about starting with what a 'ULS' is? That would help :) On 15 January 2014 08:50, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already serves one function for people who have a handicap with their perception. It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are multiple ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size of the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some people only see yellow on white..) If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the functionality but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of MediaWiki and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)... Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is being developed. Thanks, GerardM ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Hoi, I am talking with the Polish chapter to extend the functionality of the OpenDyslexic font ... I am waiting for their GO/NOGO. Thanks, GerardM On 15 January 2014 12:08, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote: Can WMUK collaborate with WMDE (and others) on this to push it forward? Obviously a lot of good work has already been done, but perhaps it now needs some long term commitment and leadership to ensure that what has been done is made easily accessible, and to work on filling gaps in functionality (covering all aspects of disability). Michael WMUK Chair On 15 Jan 2014, at 09:34, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: How about starting with what a 'ULS' is? That would help :) On 15 January 2014 08:50, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already serves one function for people who have a handicap with their perception. It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are multiple ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size of the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some people only see yellow on white..) If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the functionality but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of MediaWiki and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)... Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is being developed. Thanks, GerardM ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WMUK Tech] [Wikimediauk-l] Improving Wikimedia access for people with impairments (was Visually impaired)
Yes, indeed. Collaborating to get a well advertised clearing centre running would be a very good first step. But to get over the usual issue that nobody in the community comes forward to point out where the gaps are (which may not be surprising as the people we want to contact here are by definition already excluded from the community) we need outreach to the relevant impairment/disability groups to get their members involved. That is something that the Chapters would be good at, as many such groups/charities are national ones. There are quite a few in the UK, and no doubt more in Germany and elsewhere. Outreach is what the chapters do! Best regards Michael Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK On 15 Jan 2014, at 11:44, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: The single biggest problem, Michael, is that when one talks in the abstract, we end up chasing illusory problems that don't actually have any impact. It's very difficult to create systems that are always 100% accessible by all if we start by trying to second-guess what accessibility problems visitors might encounter. What we need is a well-advertised clearing centre where anybody who experiences an accessibility problem on one of our sites can register their problem, which would then allow us to examine it and provide the most effective solution. I'm quite happy to continue giving advice on the issues covered at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility and I'd like to see it adopted as default on the WMUK Wiki, but I question the value of volunteers re-inventing the wheel by chasing gaps that I'm not at all sure actually exist. -- Doug On 15 January 2014 11:08, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote: Can WMUK collaborate with WMDE (and others) on this to push it forward? Obviously a lot of good work has already been done, but perhaps it now needs some long term commitment and leadership to ensure that what has been done is made easily accessible, and to work on filling gaps in functionality (covering all aspects of disability). Michael WMUK Chair On 15 Jan 2014, at 09:34, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: How about starting with what a 'ULS' is? That would help :) On 15 January 2014 08:50, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, One obvious point to start is the functionality of the ULS. It already serves one function for people who have a handicap with their perception. It has the OpenDyslexic font for people with dyslexia. There are multiple ways functionality can be provided who have a visual handicap. The size of the characters can be increased, the colour scheme can be changed (some people only see yellow on white..) If there is one thing wrong with the ULS, it is not in the functionality but by the utter lack of visibility. ULS is a major component of MediaWiki and it is not given prominence, Truly how are people going to find OpenDyslexic... (we are talking about 7 to 10% of a population)... Work is done to get more support for webfonts on mobile phones.. It is being developed. Thanks, GerardM ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Extensive feedback from WMDE to the FDC process
Hello everybody, I have just posted an extensive feedback from WMDE on the FDC process here on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/Comments/Extensive_feedback_from_WMDE_to_the_FDC_process The statement was drafted by WMDE's Supervisory Board and myself. We are very much looking forward to a discussion and I would like to encourage everybody to share their thoughts. At the same it would be great if we could keep the discussion on meta so that we have everything in one place. All the Best, Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Pavel Richter Vorstand Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tel.: +49 - 30 - 219 158 260 Twitter: @pavel ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Extensive feedback from WMDE to the FDC process
Thank you Pavel and WMDE board, this is indeed a great constructive feedback and I strongly agree with most of the your arguments and concerns. Itzik WMIL On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Pavel Richter pavel.rich...@wikimedia.dewrote: Hello everybody, I have just posted an extensive feedback from WMDE on the FDC process here on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/Comments/Extensive_feedback_from_WMDE_to_the_FDC_process The statement was drafted by WMDE's Supervisory Board and myself. We are very much looking forward to a discussion and I would like to encourage everybody to share their thoughts. At the same it would be great if we could keep the discussion on meta so that we have everything in one place. All the Best, Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Pavel Richter Vorstand Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tel.: +49 - 30 - 219 158 260 Twitter: @pavel ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Extensive feedback from WMDE to the FDC process
thanks indeed! I agree with many of the comments (and yes, I don't like bureaucracy neither, I also am very much in favor of moving towards a collaborative and trusting process, although the way you phrased it sounds as if you've assumed we, at the FDC, are against it :) I think that beyond high-level philosophical comments there needs to be an actual down-to-earth discussion about details. There is a need for constructive proposals on what can be done differently and how, rather than what we don't like. This conversation should be done collaboratively, I think. I do not believe that the upcoming chapters conference is the best possible venue for such a discussion. First, most of the FDC members will not be there, and I think that our presence could be useful. Second, the whole FDC cycle has not finished yet (and it will finish in May). Finally, much more movement activists will be present at Wikimania. That's why I think that 1-2 days before or after Wikimania would be the best time to have an intensive, constructive session on the FDC model. Also, please note that there is an FDC review process ongoing (there is a community driven FDC-advisory group, etc.). Perhaps a good first step would be to coordinate this, mocking mode on rather than schedule WMDE-driven redesign /mocking mode off. In any case, I'm glad the conversation is starting, and I think it would be good to actually schedule some time for a workshop about this. My suggestion is before or after Wikimania, as it is by far the easiest timing for many, including those who do not receive chapter support to attend. best, dariusz pundit On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: Thank you Pavel and WMDE board, this is indeed a great constructive feedback and I strongly agree with most of the your arguments and concerns. Itzik WMIL On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Pavel Richter pavel.rich...@wikimedia.dewrote: Hello everybody, I have just posted an extensive feedback from WMDE on the FDC process here on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/Comments/Extensive_feedback_from_WMDE_to_the_FDC_process The statement was drafted by WMDE's Supervisory Board and myself. We are very much looking forward to a discussion and I would like to encourage everybody to share their thoughts. At the same it would be great if we could keep the discussion on meta so that we have everything in one place. All the Best, Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Pavel Richter Vorstand Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tel.: +49 - 30 - 219 158 260 Twitter: @pavel ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- __ dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak profesor zarządzania kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego i centrum badawczego CROW Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired
On 1/15/2014 8:13 AM, Victor Grigas wrote: I interviewed 2 gentlemen who are both blind who use a program called JAWS on desktop machines that reads the Wikipedia page to them, allowing them to edit. In the US, I believe JAWS is the predominant tool employed to assist blind computer users. At least if you deliver content that needs to comply with Section 508 (information accessibility requirements from the 1973 Rehabilitation Act), performance with JAWS is the most likely way that an agency will evaluate the content if they're serious about meeting the requirements. It's limited to operating in a Windows environment, but the program has an established user base that I understand is quite active in providing feedback so the software can be maintained and improved. I haven't dealt with it in a wiki context, but if it's an effective aid for editing as well as reading, I'm glad to hear it. --Michael Snow ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Extensive feedback from WMDE to the FDC process
Thanks to WMDE for the thoughtful and very interesting feedback to the FDC. As an observer but not a participant, I found it very helpful in organizing and restating the criticism we've all read about the FDC process. The statement is highly constructive, and I understand why it doesn't get into great detail about proposed changes (that would detract from the overview nature of the statement). The only off note was the declaration that WMDE plans to drive a reworking of the FDC process at a time and place of its choosing, inviting movement entities but not specifically the WMF. It needs to be recalled that the funds available, and the primary channel for gathering those funds, belong to the WMF and are under the sole final authority of the WMF's Board. Dariusz' suggestion for Wikimania makes sense; so would a separate convention for stakeholders organized by the FDC/WMF. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Post about Wikipedia and the public domain as part of EFF's Copyright Week
The Wikimedia Foundation's legal team recently authored a guest blog post for EFF's Copyright Week [1] about how Wikipedia relies on the public domain (post is also copied below): https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/01/wikipedia-shows-value-vibrant-public-domain The legal team invited the advocacy advisers list ( advocacy_advis...@lists.wikimedia.org) [2] to comment on a draft [3] that posted on meta and got lots of helpful input from community members. We're happy to share this with colleagues throughout the Wikimedia movement. [1] https://www.eff.org/copyrightweek [2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog/Drafts/Wikipedia_Shows_the_Value_of_a_Vibrant_Public_Domain --- https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/01/wikipedia-shows-value-vibrant-public-domain JANUARY 14, 2014 | BY STEPHEN LAPORTE AND YANA WELINDER *Wikipedia Shows the Value of a Vibrant Public Domain* https://www.eff.org/copyrightweek*In the week leading up the two-year anniversary of the SOPA blackout protests, EFF and others are talking about key principles that should guide copyright policy. Every day, we'll take on a different piece, exploring what’s at stake and and what we need to do to make sure the law promotes creativity and innovation. We've put together a page where you can read and endorse the principles yourself https://www.eff.org/copyrightweek. Let's send a message to DC, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, Brussels, and wherever else folks are making new copyright rules: We're from the Internet, and we're here to help.* *This is a guest post from Yana Welinder https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:YWelinder_(WMF) and Stephen LaPorte https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Slaporte_(WMF), Legal Counsel at the Wikimedia Foundation. If you have comments on this post, you can contact Yana https://twitter.com/yanatweets and Stephen https://twitter.com/sklaporte on Twitter.* While more commonly known as New Year’s Day, January 1 was also International Public Domain Dayhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Domain_Day. It’s the day when some creative works enter the public domain, which is the collective wealth of works that are not covered by copyright. Public domain works can be freely published, performed, remixed, translated and otherwise shared with the world. They can also be used to write and illustrate the largest online encyclopedia—Wikipedia http://www.wikipedia.org/. In relying on the public domain to provide free knowledge to millions of people around the world, Wikipedia illustrates the need for a growing body of freely-reusable works. Today, there is concern that ever fewer works will enter the public domain because of lawshttps://web.law.duke.edu/cspd/publicdomainday and international agreementshttp://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6999/125/extending copyright terms across the world. While January 1, 2014 saw many new works enter the public domainhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_in_public_domain#Entering_the_public_domain_in_the_United_States in countries with shorter copyright terms, those works are still under copyright in the United States as a result of the Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act, which increased the term from life of the author plus 50 years to life plus 70 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shakespeare.jpgWhether they realize it or not, people rely on the public domain everyday. Millions of peoplehttp://reportcard.wmflabs.org/ use Wikipedia every day to research, check facts, browse aimlessly and evenplay games http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wiki%20Golf. Wikipedia is a collaborative project with hundreds of thousands of authors, and it relies upon a rich public domain to draw from. Some Wikipedia articles are built on text from older public domain encyclopediashttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Reference_works_in_the_public_domain. Other articles may be illustrated by public domain mediahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Author_died_more_than_100_years_ago_public_domain_files. For example, when “The Great Gatsbyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Gatsby_(2013_film)” hit theatres last year, many people turned to Wikipedia to read about the original novel. There https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Gatsby, through public domain photographs, they could discover the New York mansions that inspired the story, such as Beacon Towershttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Beacon_Towers_from_the_beach_1920.jpg—a house that has since been demolished. Similarly, when Wikipedia readers are researching Shakespeare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare, they are able to view a public domain image of his portraithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shakespeare.jpg from 1610 (pictured). Because both of these images are in the public domain, readers can download and reuse them in other works, like Wikipedia articles. Most images
[Wikimedia-l] effect of edit filter on editing levels, (was thanking anons)
Marc, It isn't just the vandalism and reversion of vandalism that we've lost as a result of the edit filters (originally known as abuse filters) there is also the lost userpage warnings, AIV reports, block messages and removal of AIV reports:) But yes the majority would have been vandalism and its reversion. Supporting this theory, we have as one would expect a drop in the number of editors clearing the five edit a month threshold - typically any vandal who got through the whole four level warning cycle and then did something block worthy would have made it into the 5 or more edits count for that month. I suspect we've also seen a some of our active vandal fighters drop away or shift to things that involve fewer edits per hour. Unfortunately I don't think we yet have any sort of estimated editor hours donated figure, for example one could do this crudely by only counting unique hours in which an editor has made at least one edit. It would be salutary to see how that was changing over time. Also the pattern of decline in raw edit count fits with a steady refinement of the edit filters from 2009 to the present day. The exception of course being the decline from 2007-2009, but I suspect much of that comes with Huggle et al speeding up vandalism reversion. Once you start blocking people after half a dozen edits rather than a couple of dozen you are bound to have a drop in total editing, Of course there remains the issue that our audience is still growing faster than the Internet whilst nobody really knows whether the underlying rate of goodfaith editing is increasing or stable. I suspect that much of this is the growth of mobile where we are much more of a broadcast medium than an interactive one. But that is a rather more tenuous theory than the known effectiveness of the edit filters. I wrote an essay about this last springhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/Going_off_the_boil%3F, I'd be interested in your take on it. Erik Zachte tweeted it and I don't think that anyone has rebutted the main points. Regards Jonathan -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 23:38:15 -0500 From: Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users Message-ID: 52d4bf37.90...@uberbox.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 01/13/2014 11:20 PM, Tim Starling wrote: The English Wikipedia edit rate has been declining since about January 2007, and is now only 67% of the rate at that time. A linear regression on the edit rate from that time predicts death of the project at around 2030. That's... come /on/ Tim! You know better than to say silly things like that. The abuse filter alone could very well account for this (the prevented edits and the revert that would have taken place). :-) I used to do a lot of patrol back in those years and - for nostalgia's sake - I tried doing a bit over a year ago. The amount of surface vandalism has gone down a *lot* since. -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] effect of edit filter on editing levels, (was thanking anons)
Actually, yes, we do; Aaron Halfaker did a lot of work quantifying and defining 'man-hours' in a Wikipedia sense. On 15 January 2014 10:15, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.comwrote: Marc, It isn't just the vandalism and reversion of vandalism that we've lost as a result of the edit filters (originally known as abuse filters) there is also the lost userpage warnings, AIV reports, block messages and removal of AIV reports:) But yes the majority would have been vandalism and its reversion. Supporting this theory, we have as one would expect a drop in the number of editors clearing the five edit a month threshold - typically any vandal who got through the whole four level warning cycle and then did something block worthy would have made it into the 5 or more edits count for that month. I suspect we've also seen a some of our active vandal fighters drop away or shift to things that involve fewer edits per hour. Unfortunately I don't think we yet have any sort of estimated editor hours donated figure, for example one could do this crudely by only counting unique hours in which an editor has made at least one edit. It would be salutary to see how that was changing over time. Also the pattern of decline in raw edit count fits with a steady refinement of the edit filters from 2009 to the present day. The exception of course being the decline from 2007-2009, but I suspect much of that comes with Huggle et al speeding up vandalism reversion. Once you start blocking people after half a dozen edits rather than a couple of dozen you are bound to have a drop in total editing, Of course there remains the issue that our audience is still growing faster than the Internet whilst nobody really knows whether the underlying rate of goodfaith editing is increasing or stable. I suspect that much of this is the growth of mobile where we are much more of a broadcast medium than an interactive one. But that is a rather more tenuous theory than the known effectiveness of the edit filters. I wrote an essay about this last spring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/Going_off_the_boil%3F , I'd be interested in your take on it. Erik Zachte tweeted it and I don't think that anyone has rebutted the main points. Regards Jonathan -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 23:38:15 -0500 From: Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users Message-ID: 52d4bf37.90...@uberbox.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 01/13/2014 11:20 PM, Tim Starling wrote: The English Wikipedia edit rate has been declining since about January 2007, and is now only 67% of the rate at that time. A linear regression on the edit rate from that time predicts death of the project at around 2030. That's... come /on/ Tim! You know better than to say silly things like that. The abuse filter alone could very well account for this (the prevented edits and the revert that would have taken place). :-) I used to do a lot of patrol back in those years and - for nostalgia's sake - I tried doing a bit over a year ago. The amount of surface vandalism has gone down a *lot* since. -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Oliver Keyes Product Analyst Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] effect of edit filter on editing levels, (was thanking anons)
On 01/15/2014 01:15 PM, WereSpielChequers wrote: Of course there remains the issue that our audience is still growing faster than the Internet whilst nobody really knows whether the underlying rate of goodfaith editing is increasing or stable. My own eyeball metric on this is entirely subjective, but anecdotally I observe that (a) we have considerably more content than in 2007 and (b) the average quality level of the most of that content is significantly higher. To me, this means that either the number of constructive edits that are not reverts has, at least, remained fairly stable or that we have gotten more efficient at quality per edit. Most likely both. My own skepticism about the magnitude or even existence of the edit decline problem is rooted in that simple observation. I worry that by focusing on raw numbers like number of clicks on the save button we are loosing sight of the real objectives, and that measure meant to correct the wrong issue could end up harming more than helping. (As could be argued in a pastiche of your essay that the obvious solution would be to have Mediawiki insert random typos in articles to give visitors easy things to fix and drive edit numbers up). -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Extensive feedback from WMDE to the FDC process
Thanks Pavel for sharing this. I think a bigger conversation will be on-going on Meta and in general on where to continue it in the real world. It might be useful to keep in mind that the movement has already invested and committed to bringing all chapters (and possibly thorgs) to the Wikimedia Conference [the potential funded entities] - it would be a marginal increase in cost to bring 10 more members of the FDC (and anyone else who is required); whereas having a meeting before or after Wikimania could lead to increased costs to every single participant and could possibly leave out chapters and stakeholders who cannot afford to send someone to Wikimania or to stay the extra days. Either way, if we want to have an inclusive in-person consultation, we have to invest in it - Wikimania might not be the smallest possible marginal investment and without right policies in place could not be the ideal to ensure fair participation (where all stakeholders are present, and individual volunteers are not inconvenienced by having to pay from their personal pockets for either food, travel or accommodation just to participate). Best regards, Bence On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.plwrote: thanks indeed! I agree with many of the comments (and yes, I don't like bureaucracy neither, I also am very much in favor of moving towards a collaborative and trusting process, although the way you phrased it sounds as if you've assumed we, at the FDC, are against it :) I think that beyond high-level philosophical comments there needs to be an actual down-to-earth discussion about details. There is a need for constructive proposals on what can be done differently and how, rather than what we don't like. This conversation should be done collaboratively, I think. I do not believe that the upcoming chapters conference is the best possible venue for such a discussion. First, most of the FDC members will not be there, and I think that our presence could be useful. Second, the whole FDC cycle has not finished yet (and it will finish in May). Finally, much more movement activists will be present at Wikimania. That's why I think that 1-2 days before or after Wikimania would be the best time to have an intensive, constructive session on the FDC model. Also, please note that there is an FDC review process ongoing (there is a community driven FDC-advisory group, etc.). Perhaps a good first step would be to coordinate this, mocking mode on rather than schedule WMDE-driven redesign /mocking mode off. In any case, I'm glad the conversation is starting, and I think it would be good to actually schedule some time for a workshop about this. My suggestion is before or after Wikimania, as it is by far the easiest timing for many, including those who do not receive chapter support to attend. best, dariusz pundit On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: Thank you Pavel and WMDE board, this is indeed a great constructive feedback and I strongly agree with most of the your arguments and concerns. Itzik WMIL On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Pavel Richter pavel.rich...@wikimedia.dewrote: Hello everybody, I have just posted an extensive feedback from WMDE on the FDC process here on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/Comments/Extensive_feedback_from_WMDE_to_the_FDC_process The statement was drafted by WMDE's Supervisory Board and myself. We are very much looking forward to a discussion and I would like to encourage everybody to share their thoughts. At the same it would be great if we could keep the discussion on meta so that we have everything in one place. All the Best, Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Pavel Richter Vorstand Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tel.: +49 - 30 - 219 158 260 Twitter: @pavel ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- __ dr hab. Dariusz Jemielniak profesor zarządzania kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego i centrum badawczego CROW Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego http://www.crow.alk.edu.pl ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Extensive feedback from WMDE to the FDC process
hi Bence, I think that a discussion about the movement sources should be more open to people from outside of chapters, too and their input may nevertheless be valuable. Also, my wild guess is that Wikimania will attract many more activists of the movement than the chapter conference anyway (especially from outside Europe). The specific workshop can possibly be even squeezed in during Wikimania, although organizing it before/after it would likely allow to go into more details, and the increase in costs would be just by one night (and some of us could stay on our own, as I will if I don't get WMF coverage). Finally, I believe it makes much more sense to gather comments and feedback on redesigning the FDC process after Round 2 is finished (in May). best, dariusz On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Pavel for sharing this. I think a bigger conversation will be on-going on Meta and in general on where to continue it in the real world. It might be useful to keep in mind that the movement has already invested and committed to bringing all chapters (and possibly thorgs) to the Wikimedia Conference [the potential funded entities] - it would be a marginal increase in cost to bring 10 more members of the FDC (and anyone else who is required); whereas having a meeting before or after Wikimania could lead to increased costs to every single participant and could possibly leave out chapters and stakeholders who cannot afford to send someone to Wikimania or to stay the extra days. Either way, if we want to have an inclusive in-person consultation, we have to invest in it - Wikimania might not be the smallest possible marginal investment and without right policies in place could not be the ideal to ensure fair participation (where all stakeholders are present, and individual volunteers are not inconvenienced by having to pay from their personal pockets for either food, travel or accommodation just to participate). Best regards, Bence On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.plwrote: thanks indeed! I agree with many of the comments (and yes, I don't like bureaucracy neither, I also am very much in favor of moving towards a collaborative and trusting process, although the way you phrased it sounds as if you've assumed we, at the FDC, are against it :) I think that beyond high-level philosophical comments there needs to be an actual down-to-earth discussion about details. There is a need for constructive proposals on what can be done differently and how, rather than what we don't like. This conversation should be done collaboratively, I think. I do not believe that the upcoming chapters conference is the best possible venue for such a discussion. First, most of the FDC members will not be there, and I think that our presence could be useful. Second, the whole FDC cycle has not finished yet (and it will finish in May). Finally, much more movement activists will be present at Wikimania. That's why I think that 1-2 days before or after Wikimania would be the best time to have an intensive, constructive session on the FDC model. Also, please note that there is an FDC review process ongoing (there is a community driven FDC-advisory group, etc.). Perhaps a good first step would be to coordinate this, mocking mode on rather than schedule WMDE-driven redesign /mocking mode off. In any case, I'm glad the conversation is starting, and I think it would be good to actually schedule some time for a workshop about this. My suggestion is before or after Wikimania, as it is by far the easiest timing for many, including those who do not receive chapter support to attend. best, dariusz pundit On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: Thank you Pavel and WMDE board, this is indeed a great constructive feedback and I strongly agree with most of the your arguments and concerns. Itzik WMIL On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Pavel Richter pavel.rich...@wikimedia.dewrote: Hello everybody, I have just posted an extensive feedback from WMDE on the FDC process here on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/Comments/Extensive_feedback_from_WMDE_to_the_FDC_process The statement was drafted by WMDE's Supervisory Board and myself. We are very much looking forward to a discussion and I would like to encourage everybody to share their thoughts. At the same it would be great if we could keep the discussion on meta so that we have everything in one place. All the Best, Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Pavel Richter Vorstand Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tel.: +49 - 30 - 219 158 260 Twitter: @pavel ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ,
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Extensive feedback from WMDE to the FDC process
Those are all concerns I understand, and i am not in the mood to argue this to win. Either result would be fine with me after a well considered decision. i merely put forward considerations of people (should all possible funded entities be present - they are not guaranteed presence at one of the two events) and cost (should volunteers, including volunteers of the FDC and chapters, as well as independent activists, use their own money to discuss how the movement should divide its existing money - at the current level, I do not think it would be fair, at least it would not lead to an equitable situation if certain volunteers and staffers are funded while others aren't). As for timing and outside participation, this is a judgment call to make. You have to see if the FDC has the spare capacity to work on the current round while discussing the future. Especially, as predictability would normally require that changes be introduced with a delay so as not to disrupt the current round and the planning for the upcoming one. You also have to make an estimate, how many knowledgeable outside participants are likely to be there and whether they (like the FDC advisory group and participants of the Meta discussions) could be invited to either Wikimania, WMCON or a separate workshop. In all likelihood, I see two or more discussions and two overlapping groups of participants. One of them are the technicalities of the FDC process, where the people most likely to participate and be knowledgeable are the FDC and the current and future applicants. There is also a wider discussion of movement wide goals and strategy which should not happen in any venue that excludes the wider movement, but could still benefit from the input of in-person meetings of experts and movement activists at numerous venues. These are just ideas for consideration. Best regards, Bence On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.plwrote: hi Bence, I think that a discussion about the movement sources should be more open to people from outside of chapters, too and their input may nevertheless be valuable. Also, my wild guess is that Wikimania will attract many more activists of the movement than the chapter conference anyway (especially from outside Europe). The specific workshop can possibly be even squeezed in during Wikimania, although organizing it before/after it would likely allow to go into more details, and the increase in costs would be just by one night (and some of us could stay on our own, as I will if I don't get WMF coverage). Finally, I believe it makes much more sense to gather comments and feedback on redesigning the FDC process after Round 2 is finished (in May). best, dariusz On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Pavel for sharing this. I think a bigger conversation will be on-going on Meta and in general on where to continue it in the real world. It might be useful to keep in mind that the movement has already invested and committed to bringing all chapters (and possibly thorgs) to the Wikimedia Conference [the potential funded entities] - it would be a marginal increase in cost to bring 10 more members of the FDC (and anyone else who is required); whereas having a meeting before or after Wikimania could lead to increased costs to every single participant and could possibly leave out chapters and stakeholders who cannot afford to send someone to Wikimania or to stay the extra days. Either way, if we want to have an inclusive in-person consultation, we have to invest in it - Wikimania might not be the smallest possible marginal investment and without right policies in place could not be the ideal to ensure fair participation (where all stakeholders are present, and individual volunteers are not inconvenienced by having to pay from their personal pockets for either food, travel or accommodation just to participate). Best regards, Bence On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.plwrote: thanks indeed! I agree with many of the comments (and yes, I don't like bureaucracy neither, I also am very much in favor of moving towards a collaborative and trusting process, although the way you phrased it sounds as if you've assumed we, at the FDC, are against it :) I think that beyond high-level philosophical comments there needs to be an actual down-to-earth discussion about details. There is a need for constructive proposals on what can be done differently and how, rather than what we don't like. This conversation should be done collaboratively, I think. I do not believe that the upcoming chapters conference is the best possible venue for such a discussion. First, most of the FDC members will not be there, and I think that our presence could be useful. Second, the whole FDC cycle has not finished yet (and it will finish in May). Finally, much more movement activists will be present at
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 118, Issue 44
Stop Too -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:52:03 AM GMT+ Subject: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 118, Issue 44 Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Thanking anonymous users (Oliver Keyes) 2. Re: Thanking anonymous users (Marc A. Pelletier) 3. Visually impaired (rupert THURNER) 4. Re: Visually impaired (Stevie Benton) 5. Re: Visually impaired (Gerard Meijssen) 6. Re: Visually impaired (Jon Davies) 7. Re: Visually impaired (Amir E. Aharoni) 8. Re: Visually impaired (Jon Davies) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 14:02:49 -0800 From: Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users Message-ID: caauqgdcmx2p7cmmk67kjitf6ylnguwbhet8tfdogs0rrqd7...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Aha. I totally agree with that, then, but I don't think it's the motivation for this feature. On 14 January 2014 13:28, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 January 2014 21:20, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 14 January 2014 12:29, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: I'd rather call is a systemic bias which makes us favor standardised technological whizbangs just because we can measure them rather than for an actual effectiveness. So you'd rather measure effectiveness through...the feeling in your water? No, he means doing things because they're susceptible to measurement, rather than because they're a good thing to do. The sort of thinking that leads to lightboxes over pages. Just look at our response metrics! Just look at your page. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Oliver Keyes Product Analyst Wikimedia Foundation -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 18:02:51 -0500 From: Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users Message-ID: 52d5c21b.2090...@uberbox.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 01/14/2014 04:07 PM, Tilman Bayer wrote: but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that they still achieved a good approximation. I'd wager that what they have gotten might be a poor sample; there is certainly a correlation between being a power/advanced user and more intricate talk page archiving -- so the class of users most likely to get some kinds of barnstars would end up being the most underrepresented in the dataset. I haven't read their paper though - they may well have accounted for that in some manner. -- Marc -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 09:26:10 +0100 From: rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired Message-ID: CAJs9aZ9p1E+ziOsDRTf8cukEUmZjPgVWyjsF=pdnagouoep...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia for visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices? Rupert -- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 08:32:35 + From: Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visually impaired Message-ID: cacti2rljs21bdutrx-p95heju+vsmyccchr5sd1p+nwn5nx...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Rupert, Wikimedia UK is currently looking at this in relation to our own wiki. There's some thoughts and notes at https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Accessibility_of_the_Wikimedia_UK_website which draw extensively from information provided by the Royal National Institute of Blind People - http://www.rnib.org.uk/Pages/Home.aspx I hope this is useful. Stevie On 15 January 2014 08:26, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, would anybody of you have some starting points concerning wikipedia for visually impaired persons, both computer and mobile devices? Rupert
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Extensive feedback from WMDE to the FDC process
Hi Pavel, Thanks very much for the thoughtful feedback from WMDE on the FDC. We certainly want to be (and hope we are) wiki in nature: a work in progress, with continued room for improvement. So I think the FDC, the FDC Advisory Group (of which you are a member, of course), the Board and the staff will all be considering these comments as we move forward. I want to be equally thoughtful of the fact that we already have a number of processes in place that are part of the FDC Framework - and that the FDC and staff have expanded upon in the past year and a half - and that are designed to incorporate feedback of this kind. I'm also conscious that the FDC will be in the middle of reviewing Round 2 applications in April, and it would be difficult on them - and the applicants - if we were to do an intensive process of consultation with all 9 members and 2 Board representatives at the time. Most significantly, we have a meeting with the FDC Advisory Group (FDC AG) planned, as you know, for end May, in which we are scheduling a time to overlap with the FDC members, so that feedback in both directions can then be incorporated into the FDC Advisory Group's recommendations to the WMF ED and Board as per the FDC Framework.[1] As a reminder, the FDC AG was meant to have had a meeting in March this year, to recommend the continuance of the FDC or not. On consultation with the AG late last year, we decided to move this meeting to May, so that it would be at the end of two years and four rounds of the FDC, and could have useful input from both FDC members and all participants. According to the Framework, this counsel from the AG will then feed into the WMF ED's recommendation to the Board, on the FDC's continued existence and its form (due, according to the Framework, roughly in mid-August this year). The current members of the AG are Richard Ames/Ariconte, Ting Chen (former member of WMF Board), Jan-Bart de Vreede (WMF Board), Thomas d'Souza Buckup/TSB, Peter Ekman/Smallbones, Sue Gardner (WMF ED), Crystal Hayling (Philanthropy Advisor), Christophe Henner (WMFR), Kathy Reich (Packard Foundation), Pavel Richter (WMDE), Osmar Valdebenito (WMAR) and Stu West (WMF Board).[2] Since I replaced Barry Newstead, I will host and facilitate this meeting as he did the original FDC Advisory Group, with support from a small sub-committee of the AG. I had originally planned to ask this sub-committee of the FDC AG if they would be willing to lead an on-wiki conversation post the WM Conference that would feed into the meeting in May, but this conversation pre-empts that, somewhat, so here would be my suggestion for a practical and constructive way to move forward: * We have a full and frank conversation at the Wikimedia Conference - as we did last year - with everyone interested, on the FDC process and constructive suggestions for improvements. We do this with two FDC members and staff present, and take detailed notes. * This feedback will then be shared with the FDC Advisory Group when it meets in May. We are planning to have the FDC members overlap with the FDC AG for half a day so that there is collective sharing, after which the AG will consider all the different inputs that we have collected so far: feedback from the many F2F meetings, including site visits; the anonymised surveys we have conducted after every round of the FDC recommendations; the ongoing progress reports and program evaluations; and the many on-wiki/email/phone/skype/IRC conversations we have had with each organisation throughout the FDC process. All of these suggestions could then usefully feed into the FDC Advisory Group's recommendation to the WMF ED and Board, and in time for shaping the next year of the FDC process. I'm hoping that the AG will be able to share its recommendations publicly, soon after its meeting, which can then continue this conversation much more constructively on-wiki. It's worth all of us remembering that the FDC process - supporting the annual plans of Wikimedia organisations - is ultimately meant to have impact on our online Wikimedia projects. We are all shared stewards of movement resources, and having the contributions and thinking of different community members is therefore critical. I would rather not turn to Wikimania as the only place to have this conversation however, instead seeing it as the space at which we can perhaps present the recommendations of the Advisory Group, and include a broader conversation about the movement's goals and how all Wikimedia organisations can support achieving those goals better. I'd be glad to hear your thoughts on this, both as WMDE ED and as a member of the FDC Advisory Group. Warmly, Anasuya [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#Assessment_and_continuous_improvement_of_the_funds_dissemination_process [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/FDC_Advisory_Group On Wed, Jan
[Wikimedia-l] New Program Evaluation Report: GLAM content donations
(please excuse cross-posting) Hi everyone! I posted the latest in the string of program evaluation reports on Meta today, on GLAM content donations: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programs:Evaluation_portal/Library/GLAM_content_donations Highlights of the report include: * Program leaders who engage in activities that lead to GLAM content donations have five priority goals * On average, GLAM content donations have four people involved and take an average of three months to implement from beginning to end * Only a small portion of the donated media have been used in Wikimedia project pages * Program leaders who implement programmatic activities that lead to GLAM content donations are experienced, and produce documentation and blogs about their implementations * And more! Read the report to find out: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programs:Evaluation_portal/Library/GLAM_content_donations We'll be discussing this report and other reports during a Hangout tomorrow (Thursday) at 6 pm UTC. You're welcome to join us: https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/c7onu5gs92n53e7d707g6nrhie4 Questions are welcomed and encouraged on the talk page. On behalf of the Program Evaluation team, LiAnna -- LiAnna Davis Wikipedia Education Program Wikimedia Foundation http://education.wikimedia.org +1-(415) 839-6885 x6649 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] RfC: Should we support MP4 Video on our sites?
Greetings! The Wikimedia Foundation's multimedia team (1) seeks your guidance on a proposal to support the MP4 video format. As you know, this digital video standard is used widely around the world to record, edit and watch videos on mobile phones, desktop computers and home video devices. It is also known as H.264/MPEG-4 or AVC. (2) Supporting the MP4 format would make it much easier for our users to view and contribute video on Wikimedia projects -- and video files could be offered in dual formats on our sites, so we could continue to support current open formats (WebM and Ogg Theora). However, MP4 is a patent-encumbered format, and using a proprietary format would be a departure from our current practice of only supporting open formats on our sites -- even though the licenses appear to have acceptable legal terms, with only a small fee required. We would appreciate your guidance on whether or not we should support MP4 on our sites. The Request for Comments presents views both in favor and against MP4 support, based on opinions we’ve heard in our discussions with community and team members. What do you think? We would be grateful for your comments here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/MP4_Video All users are welcome to participate, whether you are active on Commons, Wikipedia, other Wikimedia project -- or any site that uses content from our free media repository. We also invite you to join our Office Hours Chat on IRC this Thursday, January 16, at 19:00 UTC, if you would like to discuss this project with our team and other community members: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours#Upcoming_office_hours We look forward to a constructive discussion with you, so we can make a more informed decision together about this important question. All the best, Fabrice Florin Product Manager, Multimedia Wikimedia Foundation (1) Multimedia Team Hub: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Multimedia (2) About MP4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP4 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Should we support MP4 Video on our sites?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Should we support MP4 Video on our sites?
On Jan 15, 2014, at 7:25 PM, Fajro fai...@gmail.com wrote: No. I think you should probably include a reason why you feel this way. A one-word answer doesn’t leave room for conversation. --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Should we support MP4 Video on our sites?
Clarification: while LCA would love to accept the compliment (and indeed, both the l and the ca sides are providing support for this process), it is Fabrice's initiative, not one of ours. pb Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy On Jan 15, 2014, at 8:05 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: Or better yet... elaborate on your reasons on the RfC page. https://commons. wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/MP4_Video I think it is commendable that the WMF legal team is proposing this discussion in such an open and honest way. It is a discussion that has been bubbling away for a long time and it is perfectly sensible that we should address it formally every now and then. Even if we come up with the same answer it is important to revisit major policy decisions periodically in case the situation has changed. I think we can all acknowledge that this particular issue is a good example of where two of our deeply held principles are somewhat conflicting. On the one hand we hold firm to the idea that our purpose is to share information as widely as possible, and on the other we also are very committed to the principles of open source. These are both real, valid, principles and it is important that we look at the ways that we can balance the competing choices that these principles force upon us without pre-judging the outcome. - Liam / Wittylama On 16 January 2014 14:28, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jan 15, 2014, at 7:25 PM, Fajro fai...@gmail.com wrote: No. I think you should probably include a reason why you feel this way. A one-word answer doesn’t leave room for conversation. --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
