[Wikimedia-l] Annual Plan development
What is the plan for community and board involvement in the development phases of the Annual Plan? Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Generated texts
Hoi, We have often had discussions about generating texts to be used in Wikipedia articles. The drawback of articles that are generated in this way is that they do not get updated as more information becomes available. The data in Wikidata is comparable with the kind of data often used in such processes. The first kind texts that are generated bu the Reasonator are based on the biographic information of a person. As Johann Sebastian Bach is a great example of the power of both Wikidata and Reasonator, I invite you to have a look [1]. The text is completely generated based on the information in Wikidata and Magnus is very much in the process of iterating this functionality. What I hope you will see as a challenge is writing similar functionality for other languages. What I hope for is that the Wikidata development team will appreciate this for what its potential and support it when it is found that additional technology is needed. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q1339 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Argentina report: January 2014
Dear Wikimedians, Here is the monthly report of Wikimedia Argentina for January 2014. You can read the full report (in Spanish and English) here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Argentina/Reportes/2014-01 Also, the full reports of past months are available at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Argentina/Reportes 1. Training at the Buenos Aires City Legislature 2. Wikipedia's 13th birthday 3. Publication of GLAM brochure 4. Resignation of our Executive Director === Training at the Buenos Aires City Legislature === On January, Wednesday 15, we carried out a training for the team of Modernization of the Buenos Aires City Legislature. The aim of this meeting was to transfer basic skills on wiki editing to the team coordinated by Natalia Carfi, as well as transmitting to them the collaboration logics of Wikipedia. Through the dialogue with this institution, that began in mid 2013 when we developed the First Legislative Editathon, we continue our work to promote the wiki culture. The Legislative Modernization Office is working on the development of a ''Legislative Wiki'', a project that aims at enhancing the dialogue among the different Legislative Powers on a national level. Through this kind of tutoring initiatives, we promote the engagement of new users in wiki projects, bringing more editors to Wikipedia and its sister projects. === Wikipedia's 13th birthday === On Wednesday, January 15, we celebrated Wikipedia's birthday in a very special way. In a joint action that included Wikimedia México and other Spanish-speaking chapters, we launched a one-day communication campaign to show the impact and reach of Wikipedia in different cities. We also highlighted certain aspects of the free encyclopedia that speak of its benefits as far as local culture and heritage promotion goes in each country. The action had a great impact on Twitter, where «#GraciasWikipedia» (Thanks Wikipedia) became a trending topic in Mexico, on top of also being a hot topic in Argentina, Chile, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia and Spain. As a whole, the sum of efforts of all chapters reached 7,860,000 potential users, only on Twitter. On Facebook, Wikimedia Argentina reported a total reach of 836 users and a record of engagement on that network. === Publication of GLAM brochure === During December and January, we created a brochure to promote the participation of GLAM institutions through wiki projects. This document aims to describe the many ways GLAM organizations can collaborate with our community, getting benefits for the spread of their heritage. Promotion og Cultural Institutions includes several images of different GLAM activities, illustrating the different actions that can be developed together with the GLAM institutions and a gallery of successful cases. With this document, we not only have more resources when the time comes to meet a new cultural partner, but we are also providing the associates of our organization with new tools to understand the way we face these projects. The document is available at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Promoción_de_Instituciones_Culturales.pdf === Resignation of our Executive Director === Osmar Valdebenito, current Executive Director of Wikimedia Argentina, announced this month his ressignation and his return to his home country, adducing personal and professional reasons. The position will be vacant as of March 30, 2014. This is why, we have an open call to fulfill his position. Read the official call (in Spanish only) to know more about the requisites and responsibilities of this position: http://www.wikimedia.org.ar/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/DirectorEjecutivo.pdf. People who are interested in this position should be bilingual in Spanish and English. Applications are accepted through email before February 15th, by submitting CV and letter of interest to cor...@wikimedia.org.ar. Help us spread the news of this call by sharing it with anyone whose professional profile matches our search. --- Kind regards, *Osmar Valdebenito G.* Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Generated texts
Hi Gerard, The problem that I have with Wikidata and automatically generated content like the reasonator does is: how do you know when has the script and the data reached an acceptable level? I've tested Reasonator a little with Romanian vilages and found errors in both the Wikidata fields and in the extrapolations made by the script (like pictures identified as linked to that item). In that case it is pretty obvious that the data is still unusable, but what if the 3-5-10 articles I check are OK? Are there any guidelines on that? Thanks, Strainu 2014-02-07 17:42 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, We have often had discussions about generating texts to be used in Wikipedia articles. The drawback of articles that are generated in this way is that they do not get updated as more information becomes available. The data in Wikidata is comparable with the kind of data often used in such processes. The first kind texts that are generated bu the Reasonator are based on the biographic information of a person. As Johann Sebastian Bach is a great example of the power of both Wikidata and Reasonator, I invite you to have a look [1]. The text is completely generated based on the information in Wikidata and Magnus is very much in the process of iterating this functionality. What I hope you will see as a challenge is writing similar functionality for other languages. What I hope for is that the Wikidata development team will appreciate this for what its potential and support it when it is found that additional technology is needed. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q1339 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Generated texts
Hoi, There are two parts to your question. - When is the available data good enough - When is the script that does the text generation good enough The second is something that you can help with. When it is good enough for one item that is really well developed like JS Bach, it is good enough for most similar items. The first is something that really proves that Wikidata is a Wiki. It is easy to find fault, I do it regularly and I blog about it. The point is not that I should add all the missing prime minister of the United Kingdom, it is that I inform how we know that these things are problematic. You can help, competent bot operators can help, cooperation with DBpedia may help. What we need is to invest in the comparison of data of a Wikipedia and Wikidata.. any Wikipedia. Such reports will show at this time overwhelmingly where Wikidata does NOT have data. So much so that it is a bad idea to report it. It is better to just add the missing data and report only on the discrepancies where data fails to match. When you check out the data for Romanian villages, you do something I cannot do. Again this is how it shows that Wikidata is a wiki. We need a community that cares about the quality of the information provided. We need you. We need you to check our data, we need you to compare our data, we need you to use our data because in the end, the usage of the information embedded in Wikidata is what will ensure that enough eyeballs ensure the quality we/you are seeking to provide. Reasonator does the best possible job as far as I am concerned. Its audience grows really rapidly month by month. Thanks, GerardM http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/stats.php On 7 February 2014 19:41, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gerard, The problem that I have with Wikidata and automatically generated content like the reasonator does is: how do you know when has the script and the data reached an acceptable level? I've tested Reasonator a little with Romanian vilages and found errors in both the Wikidata fields and in the extrapolations made by the script (like pictures identified as linked to that item). In that case it is pretty obvious that the data is still unusable, but what if the 3-5-10 articles I check are OK? Are there any guidelines on that? Thanks, Strainu 2014-02-07 17:42 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Hoi, We have often had discussions about generating texts to be used in Wikipedia articles. The drawback of articles that are generated in this way is that they do not get updated as more information becomes available. The data in Wikidata is comparable with the kind of data often used in such processes. The first kind texts that are generated bu the Reasonator are based on the biographic information of a person. As Johann Sebastian Bach is a great example of the power of both Wikidata and Reasonator, I invite you to have a look [1]. The text is completely generated based on the information in Wikidata and Magnus is very much in the process of iterating this functionality. What I hope you will see as a challenge is writing similar functionality for other languages. What I hope for is that the Wikidata development team will appreciate this for what its potential and support it when it is found that additional technology is needed. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q1339 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Generated texts
Hi Andy, that message comes up when the JavaScript is broken. I just tried the Bach link, and it works fine for me. Probably a stale browser cache; force-reloading the page should help. Cheers, Magnus On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: Your link has gone very wrong. I would wait the suggested half hour before telling you this, but by then I hope to be asleep. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk On Feb 7, 2014 4:42 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, We have often had discussions about generating texts to be used in Wikipedia articles. The drawback of articles that are generated in this way is that they do not get updated as more information becomes available. The data in Wikidata is comparable with the kind of data often used in such processes. The first kind texts that are generated bu the Reasonator are based on the biographic information of a person. As Johann Sebastian Bach is a great example of the power of both Wikidata and Reasonator, I invite you to have a look [1]. The text is completely generated based on the information in Wikidata and Magnus is very much in the process of iterating this functionality. What I hope you will see as a challenge is writing similar functionality for other languages. What I hope for is that the Wikidata development team will appreciate this for what its potential and support it when it is found that additional technology is needed. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q1339 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- undefined ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Generated texts
Your link has gone very wrong. I would wait the suggested half hour before telling you this, but by then I hope to be asleep. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk On Feb 7, 2014 4:42 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, We have often had discussions about generating texts to be used in Wikipedia articles. The drawback of articles that are generated in this way is that they do not get updated as more information becomes available. The data in Wikidata is comparable with the kind of data often used in such processes. The first kind texts that are generated bu the Reasonator are based on the biographic information of a person. As Johann Sebastian Bach is a great example of the power of both Wikidata and Reasonator, I invite you to have a look [1]. The text is completely generated based on the information in Wikidata and Magnus is very much in the process of iterating this functionality. What I hope you will see as a challenge is writing similar functionality for other languages. What I hope for is that the Wikidata development team will appreciate this for what its potential and support it when it is found that additional technology is needed. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=Q1339 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
Hi, I just got a message that the Finnish Police have asked the fi.wikipedia, by sending an email to the wikifi-ad...@list.wikimedia.org, to give a written statement about their possible violation of the laws that regulate fundraising in Finland. There is a little news about this already online in English. Here: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/02/07/finnish_police_probe_wikipedia_donation_requests I chat about this with a lawyer friend and he was afraid that the police msy go after the volunteers that have participated in the fundraising, e.g. by translating the fundraising messages. Is there any equivalent cases from other countries? In Finland one needs a pre-given permission to do fundraising. - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
Has anyone translated the email into English? Would be interesting to see what it says... Alex Monk On 7 February 2014 21:33, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi wrote: Hi, I just got a message that the Finnish Police have asked the fi.wikipedia, by sending an email to the wikifi-ad...@list.wikimedia.org, to give a written statement about their possible violation of the laws that regulate fundraising in Finland. There is a little news about this already online in English. Here: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/02/07/finnish_police_probe_wikipedia_donation_requests I chat about this with a lawyer friend and he was afraid that the police msy go after the volunteers that have participated in the fundraising, e.g. by translating the fundraising messages. Is there any equivalent cases from other countries? In Finland one needs a pre-given permission to do fundraising. - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
It’s incredible that some governments think they own the language(s) mainly spoken in their country: fi.wikipedia.org is in Finnish but not related to Finland (non-Finnish people could visit fi.wikipedia.org, and Finnish people could visit other language Wikipedias). And it’s sad if they attack volunteers for a technical work, that would sound like the DGSE affair. ~ Seb35 Le Fri, 07 Feb 2014 23:00:40 +0100, Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com a écrit: Has anyone translated the email into English? Would be interesting to see what it says... Alex Monk On 7 February 2014 21:33, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi wrote: Hi, I just got a message that the Finnish Police have asked the fi.wikipedia, by sending an email to the wikifi-ad...@list.wikimedia.org, to give a written statement about their possible violation of the laws that regulate fundraising in Finland. There is a little news about this already online in English. Here: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/02/07/finnish_police_probe_wikipedia_donation_requests I chat about this with a lawyer friend and he was afraid that the police msy go after the volunteers that have participated in the fundraising, e.g. by translating the fundraising messages. Is there any equivalent cases from other countries? In Finland one needs a pre-given permission to do fundraising. - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1889/18890039001#L17P16b Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
My Finnish is hardly perfect, but the letter essentially outlines the Finnish law regarding what is and what isn't money collection activities, and then compares what goes on with fi.wikipedia.org with the relevant Finnish statutes, concluding that the fundraising campaign is in fact a money collection activity and thus needs a permit from the Finnish police. They request that the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org explains the purpose of the fundraising text, and also furnishes the Finnish National Police Board with information regarding the total sum of money that has been raised through the text, at a date no later than the 21st of February. They also say that additional details may be required. They indicate that it is currently an administrative issue, but that the Police Board has the authority to initiate investigations of criminal wrongdoing if the answers of the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org are unsatisfactory. Best, Kevin Gorman On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1889/18890039001#L17P16b Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
Who exactly would the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org even be? On 08/02/14 00:24, Kevin Gorman wrote: My Finnish is hardly perfect, but the letter essentially outlines the Finnish law regarding what is and what isn't money collection activities, and then compares what goes on with fi.wikipedia.org with the relevant Finnish statutes, concluding that the fundraising campaign is in fact a money collection activity and thus needs a permit from the Finnish police. They request that the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org explains the purpose of the fundraising text, and also furnishes the Finnish National Police Board with information regarding the total sum of money that has been raised through the text, at a date no later than the 21st of February. They also say that additional details may be required. They indicate that it is currently an administrative issue, but that the Police Board has the authority to initiate investigations of criminal wrongdoing if the answers of the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org are unsatisfactory. Best, Kevin Gorman On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1889/18890039001#L17P16b Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
The Foundation. Which is why WMFI shouldn't try to reply to this except to refer them on. Cheers, Craig On 08/02/2014 11:11 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: Who exactly would the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org even be? On 08/02/14 00:24, Kevin Gorman wrote: My Finnish is hardly perfect, but the letter essentially outlines the Finnish law regarding what is and what isn't money collection activities, and then compares what goes on with fi.wikipedia.org with the relevant Finnish statutes, concluding that the fundraising campaign is in fact a money collection activity and thus needs a permit from the Finnish police. They request that the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org explains the purpose of the fundraising text, and also furnishes the Finnish National Police Board with information regarding the total sum of money that has been raised through the text, at a date no later than the 21st of February. They also say that additional details may be required. They indicate that it is currently an administrative issue, but that the Police Board has the authority to initiate investigations of criminal wrongdoing if the answers of the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org are unsatisfactory. Best, Kevin Gorman On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1889/18890039001#L17P16b Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
In Australia, we (Wikimedia Australia) had to get fundraising approval before the 2010 fundraiser (when the chapters accepted and processed the payments and then passed a share back to the Wikimedia Foundation). This was made more complicated due to the fundraising laws being a state issue rather than national and so we had to seek approval from each state, some with different requirements than others (for example, some needed a member in that state willing to act as a contact person). When this arrangement ended and Wikimedia Foundation took on the fundraising themselves, this was no longer a requirement due to the WMF not being an Australian organisation. (Although we advised WMF to seek their own legal advice to confirm this) Your situation appears to be different for several reasons: 1) Your situation involves a group of users, not a chapter (the donation is to a non-Finnish organisation) 2) The donation information is in a language specific to your country - and so by targetting Finnish speakers, they were targetting Finland residents - whereas the same language is spoken in Australia and the United States. With #1 - given the number of smaller websites with a Donate via Paypal button in the corner, I don't think this should be an issue. The only thing that would shift this in the Finnish police's favour is #2 - suggesting that Finns were involved in the fundraising - and as others have said, this could quite easily be a person (or people) who the Finnish government has no jurisdiction over (a national of another country who has learned Finnish, for example). Unless the Finnish Government has some sort of strange ownership or legal connection to the Finnish language... (Dislcaimer: IANAL of course) (BTW - I was amused that even Google translate failed to translate Nemo's link the first time around!) Regards, Charles Gregory (User:Chuq) On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fiwrote: Hi, I just got a message that the Finnish Police have asked the fi.wikipedia, by sending an email to the wikifi-ad...@list.wikimedia.org, to give a written statement about their possible violation of the laws that regulate fundraising in Finland. There is a little news about this already online in English. Here: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/02/07/finnish_police_probe_wikipedia_donation_requests I chat about this with a lawyer friend and he was afraid that the police msy go after the volunteers that have participated in the fundraising, e.g. by translating the fundraising messages. Is there any equivalent cases from other countries? In Finland one needs a pre-given permission to do fundraising. - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
Most importantly for all this, the SERVERS are not hosted in Finland (unless something snuck in there behind my back). Under US and EU laws, I would think there's no Finnish jurisdiction over where the servers are located. If the Finnish Police are asserting authority over any website written in their language, there's a problem. If they think they're hosted in Finland, then there's just a quick educational explanation pointing to the WMF server locations documentation. In any case, pass this to le...@wikimedia.org On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: I would dispute the suggestion the Finnish Wikipedia is specific to Finland; I read it regularly and have never been to Finland. There are at a bare minimum something like 300,000 fluent Finnish speakers who don't live in Finland (and I don't think that's counting the portion of Swedes who speak Finnish,) so although the fundraising banner probably primarily attracted donations from people in Finland, it likely attracted plenty of donations from other countries as well. Best, Kevin Gorman On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Charles Gregory wmau.li...@chuq.net wrote: In Australia, we (Wikimedia Australia) had to get fundraising approval before the 2010 fundraiser (when the chapters accepted and processed the payments and then passed a share back to the Wikimedia Foundation). This was made more complicated due to the fundraising laws being a state issue rather than national and so we had to seek approval from each state, some with different requirements than others (for example, some needed a member in that state willing to act as a contact person). When this arrangement ended and Wikimedia Foundation took on the fundraising themselves, this was no longer a requirement due to the WMF not being an Australian organisation. (Although we advised WMF to seek their own legal advice to confirm this) Your situation appears to be different for several reasons: 1) Your situation involves a group of users, not a chapter (the donation is to a non-Finnish organisation) 2) The donation information is in a language specific to your country - and so by targetting Finnish speakers, they were targetting Finland residents - whereas the same language is spoken in Australia and the United States. With #1 - given the number of smaller websites with a Donate via Paypal button in the corner, I don't think this should be an issue. The only thing that would shift this in the Finnish police's favour is #2 - suggesting that Finns were involved in the fundraising - and as others have said, this could quite easily be a person (or people) who the Finnish government has no jurisdiction over (a national of another country who has learned Finnish, for example). Unless the Finnish Government has some sort of strange ownership or legal connection to the Finnish language... (Dislcaimer: IANAL of course) (BTW - I was amused that even Google translate failed to translate Nemo's link the first time around!) Regards, Charles Gregory (User:Chuq) On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi wrote: Hi, I just got a message that the Finnish Police have asked the fi.wikipedia, by sending an email to the wikifi-ad...@list.wikimedia.org, to give a written statement about their possible violation of the laws that regulate fundraising in Finland. There is a little news about this already online in English. Here: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/02/07/finnish_police_probe_wikipedia_donation_requests I chat about this with a lawyer friend and he was afraid that the police msy go after the volunteers that have participated in the fundraising, e.g. by translating the fundraising messages. Is there any equivalent cases from other countries? In Finland one needs a pre-given permission to do fundraising. - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
Of course it's not a strict 1:1 ratio! But I was comparing it to (for example) English or Spanish, which the country of origin represent a minority of all speakers worldwide. Charles On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: I would dispute the suggestion the Finnish Wikipedia is specific to Finland; I read it regularly and have never been to Finland. There are at a bare minimum something like 300,000 fluent Finnish speakers who don't live in Finland (and I don't think that's counting the portion of Swedes who speak Finnish,) so although the fundraising banner probably primarily attracted donations from people in Finland, it likely attracted plenty of donations from other countries as well. Best, Kevin Gorman On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Charles Gregory wmau.li...@chuq.net wrote: In Australia, we (Wikimedia Australia) had to get fundraising approval before the 2010 fundraiser (when the chapters accepted and processed the payments and then passed a share back to the Wikimedia Foundation). This was made more complicated due to the fundraising laws being a state issue rather than national and so we had to seek approval from each state, some with different requirements than others (for example, some needed a member in that state willing to act as a contact person). When this arrangement ended and Wikimedia Foundation took on the fundraising themselves, this was no longer a requirement due to the WMF not being an Australian organisation. (Although we advised WMF to seek their own legal advice to confirm this) Your situation appears to be different for several reasons: 1) Your situation involves a group of users, not a chapter (the donation is to a non-Finnish organisation) 2) The donation information is in a language specific to your country - and so by targetting Finnish speakers, they were targetting Finland residents - whereas the same language is spoken in Australia and the United States. With #1 - given the number of smaller websites with a Donate via Paypal button in the corner, I don't think this should be an issue. The only thing that would shift this in the Finnish police's favour is #2 - suggesting that Finns were involved in the fundraising - and as others have said, this could quite easily be a person (or people) who the Finnish government has no jurisdiction over (a national of another country who has learned Finnish, for example). Unless the Finnish Government has some sort of strange ownership or legal connection to the Finnish language... (Dislcaimer: IANAL of course) (BTW - I was amused that even Google translate failed to translate Nemo's link the first time around!) Regards, Charles Gregory (User:Chuq) On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leino...@aalto.fi wrote: Hi, I just got a message that the Finnish Police have asked the fi.wikipedia, by sending an email to the wikifi-ad...@list.wikimedia.org, to give a written statement about their possible violation of the laws that regulate fundraising in Finland. There is a little news about this already online in English. Here: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2014/02/07/finnish_police_probe_wikipedia_donation_requests I chat about this with a lawyer friend and he was afraid that the police msy go after the volunteers that have participated in the fundraising, e.g. by translating the fundraising messages. Is there any equivalent cases from other countries? In Finland one needs a pre-given permission to do fundraising. - Teemu -- Teemu Leinonen http://teemuleinonen.fi +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi Aalto University School of Arts, Design and Architecture -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?
Hello all, We are handling this issue, and we are contacting the authorities to resolve their questions. If you receive any official inquires about fundraising on Finnish Wikipedia, please direct them to the Wikimedia Foundation legal team, to me or Andrei Voinigescu (avoinige...@wikimedia.org). Best, Stephen -- Stephen LaPorte Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation *This message might have confidential or legally privileged information in it. If you have received this message by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. For legal reasons, I may only serve as an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation. This means I may not give legal advice to or serve as a lawyer for community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
