[Wikimedia-l] More new editors?
TLDR:transform the thank you campaign after the fundraising in a Thank you campaign: became an editor Following a really nice discussion of the swiss mailing list, I had a look in the statistics here: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediansEditsGt5.htm First, as unfortunately expected I notice the decrease between january 2013 and 2014, but in the second time I've been surprised by the increase in january 2014 comparing to december 2013. I first thought the large press coverage of the decline of Wikipedia had an effect to motivate new editors, but when looking to these charts http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/new_editors I notice that every winter we have these increase of editors , most probably due to the fundraising campaign. But unfortunately, like for Wiki Loves Monuments effect, this increase of new editors during a month is not enough to invert the tendency http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors It has been discussed several time in the past, but I guess we should do it again, how can we turned the fundraising campaign in a massive outreach campaign? I have two leads, the easy one and the complex one :-) The easy one would be to add to the thank you message an invitation to join/meet/take information about users-group, thematic organisation or chapters. This move may help to improve the retention by a face to face approach. The complex one would be to develop a system to invite people to contribute in specific article. The main point would be to transform the thank you campaign in a Thank you campaign: became an editor The idea is to display a banner inviting the reader to edit wikipedia. the concept is the following: identify the categories of the page currently displayed select three articles in these categories with a template “expand” or similar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Empty_section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Expand_section http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Section_vide_ou_incompl%C3%A8te displayed a message like: You can also help Wikipedia by expanding an article, here are three articles that need your help, if you want to know how you can help, click on the topic you like : article from category one article from category two article from category three (or random category) after the reader click on the article, send him to the section to expand: in edit mode, with a banner explaining the basics of editing or with visual editor displaying a banner explaining this mode after publication of the article, a thank you banner, explaining how to register, with a link to the create an account page I start a page on meta to see if this idea can be discuss/expand/improved/deployed https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/outreach_fundraising_campaign Thanks for your comment or your help, you can also took my idea , change it totally and turn it in something doable! :-D Charles ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] More new editors?
At risk of not quite answering the question: To keep our editors properly, we should make the software sufficiently reasonable and flexibly to automate routine work people encounter... I couldn't get started at Wiktionary or Wikibooks easily due to my lack of linguistic or librarian background, and lack of tools to make elementary edits within such project scope — tools anyone can edit, using a standardized flexible framework, unlike the existing 'gadgets' which are so easy to break and difficult to write in a way which is easy to maintain, and share so little code. On Fri, 7 Mar 2014, at 19:35, Charles Andrès wrote: TLDR:transform the thank you campaign after the fundraising in a Thank you campaign: became an editor Following a really nice discussion of the swiss mailing list, I had a look in the statistics here: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediansEditsGt5.htm First, as unfortunately expected I notice the decrease between january 2013 and 2014, but in the second time I've been surprised by the increase in january 2014 comparing to december 2013. I first thought the large press coverage of the decline of Wikipedia had an effect to motivate new editors, but when looking to these charts http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/new_editors I notice that every winter we have these increase of editors , most probably due to the fundraising campaign. But unfortunately, like for Wiki Loves Monuments effect, this increase of new editors during a month is not enough to invert the tendency http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors It has been discussed several time in the past, but I guess we should do it again, how can we turned the fundraising campaign in a massive outreach campaign? I have two leads, the easy one and the complex one :-) The easy one would be to add to the thank you message an invitation to join/meet/take information about users-group, thematic organisation or chapters. This move may help to improve the retention by a face to face approach. The complex one would be to develop a system to invite people to contribute in specific article. The main point would be to transform the thank you campaign in a Thank you campaign: became an editor The idea is to display a banner inviting the reader to edit wikipedia. the concept is the following: identify the categories of the page currently displayed select three articles in these categories with a template “expand” or similar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Empty_section http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Expand_section http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Section_vide_ou_incompl%C3%A8te displayed a message like: You can also help Wikipedia by expanding an article, here are three articles that need your help, if you want to know how you can help, click on the topic you like : article from category one article from category two article from category three (or random category) after the reader click on the article, send him to the section to expand: in edit mode, with a banner explaining the basics of editing or with visual editor displaying a banner explaining this mode after publication of the article, a thank you banner, explaining how to register, with a link to the create an account page I start a page on meta to see if this idea can be discuss/expand/improved/deployed https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/outreach_fundraising_campaign Thanks for your comment or your help, you can also took my idea , change it totally and turn it in something doable! :-D Charles ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] More new editors?
Charles Andrès, 07/03/2014 09:35: I've been surprised by the increase in january 2014 comparing to december 2013. You really shouldn't. It happens each January, check better. :) Jan 2014+8% 76273 Jan 2013+7% 78717 Jan 2012+6% 79000 etc. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] More new editors?
And the same pattern on sv:wp. The first weeks of January is consistently over the years the most active period in a year. It is the time before Universities starts and after Christmas and New Year. Lowest activity, also consistently over the years, is on Dec 24, and the two weeks after school/universities ends in Dec and June Anders Federico Leva (Nemo) skrev 2014-03-07 11:00: Charles Andrès, 07/03/2014 09:35: I've been surprised by the increase in january 2014 comparing to december 2013. You really shouldn't. It happens each January, check better. :) Jan 2014 +8% 76273 Jan 2013 +7% 78717 Jan 2012 +6% 79000 etc. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] More new editors?
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: TLDR:transform the thank you campaign after the fundraising in a Thank you campaign: became an editor We've tried this before and so far it hasn't worked very well. See results from 2012-13 at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Donor_engagement/Thank_You_campaign Generally speaking, we're moving away from trying to use banners to blast lots of readers with the same messages. That's true in both fundraising (where they've learned to only show someone a donation request 1-2 times) and in editor engagement work. Our next work trying to convert unregistered people to become editors is going to be focusing on targeting anonymous editors, asking them to signup, and teaching them about the benefits of having an account so they can make an informed choice. See draft docs at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anonymous_editor_acquisition Steven ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] More new editors?
Charles Andrès, 07/03/2014 11:20: Yes, it's what I mean by I notice that every winter we have these increase of editors , most probably due to the fundraising campaign. That's certainly not the reason, as Anders explained and as can easily be seen in stats. 1) January is consistently the month of high growth since 2003 (highest since 2006) and I don't think we always had such banners? 2) It happens in projects where the banners no longer run (though they did in the 2010-2011 WIKIPEDIA FOREVER campaign IIRC): http://stats.wikimedia.org/wiktionary/EN/TablesWikipediansEditsGt5.htm Jan 2014+3% 836 Jan 2013+4% 843 Jan 2012+5% 779 Not to mention that now fundraising banners are enabled all year long. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] More new editors?
Yeah I'd rather log in/register than would eye these banners :) --Base 07.03.2014 12:32, Federico Leva (Nemo) написав(ла): Charles Andrès, 07/03/2014 11:20: Yes, it's what I mean by I notice that every winter we have these increase of editors , most probably due to the fundraising campaign. That's certainly not the reason, as Anders explained and as can easily be seen in stats. 1) January is consistently the month of high growth since 2003 (highest since 2006) and I don't think we always had such banners? 2) It happens in projects where the banners no longer run (though they did in the 2010-2011 WIKIPEDIA FOREVER campaign IIRC): http://stats.wikimedia.org/wiktionary/EN/TablesWikipediansEditsGt5.htm Jan 2014 +3% 836 Jan 2013 +4% 843 Jan 2012 +5% 779 Not to mention that now fundraising banners are enabled all year long. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] More new editors?
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: We've tried this before and so far it hasn't worked very well. See results from 2012-13 at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Donor_engagement/Thank_You_campaign Generally speaking, we're moving away from trying to use banners to blast lots of readers with the same messages. That's true in both fundraising (where they've learned to only show someone a donation request 1-2 times) and in editor engagement work. Our next work trying to convert unregistered people to become editors is going to be focusing on targeting anonymous editors, asking them to signup, and teaching them about the benefits of having an account so they can make an informed choice. See draft docs at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anonymous_editor_acquisition Steven Are you sure that's not because the banners are poorly suited for what you want to achieve? The create account link is hidden, the fact that the banner is trying to entice you to join and contribute is not obvious, it's content is similar enough to the regular fundraising banners that people accustomed to ignoring the banners won't notice any difference, etc. It seems... obvious that those banners would not ultimately be very effective in converting readers to registered users, but I wouldn't use that as a basis to dismiss the entire idea of outreach campaigns. Certainly the WMF iterated the fundraising presentation many times before finding highly effective methods. So, as has been suggested on this list before (by me, and others), maybe you should run a separate outreach campaign, with actually useful and targeted banners, and not make it an exhausting carry-on of the fundraiser or indistinguishably similar to fundraising banners. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Language Engineering IRC Office Hour on March 12, 2014 (Wednesday) at 1700 UTC
[x-posted] Hello, The Wikimedia Language Engineering team will be hosting the monthly IRC office hour on March 12, 2014 (Wednesday) at 1700 UTC/ 1000 PDT on #wikimedia-office. In this edition, we will be talking about our ongoing projects, like the Content Translation tool[1]. Also, we would like to extend this invitation specially to the students who are looking forward to participate in Google Summer of Code (GSoC) 2014 and Outreach Program for Women (OPW) - Round 8, for the Language Engineering projects[2] under Wikimedia. We will be happy to answer your questions about our work and projects. Please see below for the event details and check for local time at your location. Questions can also be sent to me before the event. See you all at the IRC office hour! Thanks Runa [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects#Internationalization_and_localization Event Details: == # Date: March 12, 2014 # Time: 1700-1800 UTC, 1000-1100 PDT (Check local time: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140312T1700) # IRC channel: #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net Agenda: == 1. Ongoing Projects - Content Translation tool 2. GSoC and OPW - open house for Language Engineering projects 3. Q A -- Language Engineering - Outreach and QA Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] More new editors?
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: (though they did in the 2010-2011 WIKIPEDIA FOREVER campaign IIRC) Minor quibble: WIKIPEDIA FOREVER was 2009 :) THIS IS EVERYTHING WE KNOW -- Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Product Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Call for volunteers - Individual Engagement Grants Committee
Hi all! At the moment, the Individual Engagement grant committee has an open call for volunteers :) We're looking for interested individuals who can put in some time each round (we have two rounds a year) to brainstorm with potential grantees, and help evaluate proposals for funding. The call for volunteers closes March 9, so if you're interested please do consider adding your name! More detail can be found at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Committee. We'd love to have you on board :) Regards, Steven Zhang ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] More new editors?
Another version of this that has been tried by WMF, more similar to Charles's second suggestion, is documented here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Geo-targeted_Editors_Participation/report A. On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: We've tried this before and so far it hasn't worked very well. See results from 2012-13 at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Donor_engagement/Thank_You_campaign Generally speaking, we're moving away from trying to use banners to blast lots of readers with the same messages. That's true in both fundraising (where they've learned to only show someone a donation request 1-2 times) and in editor engagement work. Our next work trying to convert unregistered people to become editors is going to be focusing on targeting anonymous editors, asking them to signup, and teaching them about the benefits of having an account so they can make an informed choice. See draft docs at: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anonymous_editor_acquisition Steven Are you sure that's not because the banners are poorly suited for what you want to achieve? The create account link is hidden, the fact that the banner is trying to entice you to join and contribute is not obvious, it's content is similar enough to the regular fundraising banners that people accustomed to ignoring the banners won't notice any difference, etc. It seems... obvious that those banners would not ultimately be very effective in converting readers to registered users, but I wouldn't use that as a basis to dismiss the entire idea of outreach campaigns. Certainly the WMF iterated the fundraising presentation many times before finding highly effective methods. So, as has been suggested on this list before (by me, and others), maybe you should run a separate outreach campaign, with actually useful and targeted banners, and not make it an exhausting carry-on of the fundraiser or indistinguishably similar to fundraising banners. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives
Minutes and slides from Wednesday's quarterly review of the Foundation's Wikipedia Zero team are now available at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews/Wikipedia_Zero/March_2014 . On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi folks, to increase accountability and create more opportunities for course corrections and resourcing adjustments as necessary, Sue's asked me and Howie Fung to set up a quarterly project evaluation process, starting with our highest priority initiatives. These are, according to Sue's narrowing focus recommendations which were approved by the Board [1]: - Visual Editor - Mobile (mobile contributions + Wikipedia Zero) - Editor Engagement (also known as the E2 and E3 teams) - Funds Dissemination Committe and expanded grant-making capacity I'm proposing the following initial schedule: January: - Editor Engagement Experiments February: - Visual Editor - Mobile (Contribs + Zero) March: - Editor Engagement Features (Echo, Flow projects) - Funds Dissemination Committee We'll try doing this on the same day or adjacent to the monthly metrics meetings [2], since the team(s) will give a presentation on their recent progress, which will help set some context that would otherwise need to be covered in the quarterly review itself. This will also create open opportunities for feedback and questions. My goal is to do this in a manner where even though the quarterly review meetings themselves are internal, the outcomes are captured as meeting minutes and shared publicly, which is why I'm starting this discussion on a public list as well. I've created a wiki page here which we can use to discuss the concept further: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews The internal review will, at minimum, include: Sue Gardner myself Howie Fung Team members and relevant director(s) Designated minute-taker So for example, for Visual Editor, the review team would be the Visual Editor / Parsoid teams, Sue, me, Howie, Terry, and a minute-taker. I imagine the structure of the review roughly as follows, with a duration of about 2 1/2 hours divided into 25-30 minute blocks: - Brief team intro and recap of team's activities through the quarter, compared with goals - Drill into goals and targets: Did we achieve what we said we would? - Review of challenges, blockers and successes - Discussion of proposed changes (e.g. resourcing, targets) and other action items - Buffer time, debriefing Once again, the primary purpose of these reviews is to create improved structures for internal accountability, escalation points in cases where serious changes are necessary, and transparency to the world. In addition to these priority initiatives, my recommendation would be to conduct quarterly reviews for any activity that requires more than a set amount of resources (people/dollars). These additional reviews may however be conducted in a more lightweight manner and internally to the departments. We're slowly getting into that habit in engineering. As we pilot this process, the format of the high priority reviews can help inform and support reviews across the organization. Feedback and questions are appreciated. All best, Erik [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Vote:Narrowing_Focus [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Tilman Bayer Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications) Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives
These quarterly reviews continue to be really interesting and useful. Thank you. SJ On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:31 PM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote: Minutes and slides from Friday's quarterly review of the Foundation's Growth team are now available at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews/Growth/February_2014 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] More new editors?
Hello Charles, I like this idea. Individual wikis can try this out effectively, in many different ways, using geotargeting. I wonder what sort of data we can get out of such banners: can we track total views and clickthroughs? (Is it any easier to get such data out of central banners coordinated through Meta?) Asaf mentioned the geo-targeted campaign in the Philippines. It was not very successful; but noted: no special tools are needed to attempt this, and interested community members could design and run their own experiments along these lines. That seems like a constructive way to pursue this line of thinking. There have only been a few small campaigns so far that invited people to edit, so we don't yet know much about what works and what doesn't work. Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: The easy one would be to add to the thank you message an invitation to join/meet/take information about users-group, thematic organisation or chapters. This move may help to improve the retention by a face to face approach. This would be interesting: easy for a reader to say 'yes' and easy to measure the result. We could ask local groups which ones want signups from geolocated readers, and run banners in that area that help readers sign up. The complex one would be to develop a system to invite people to contribute in specific article. Yes. This is complex in a way, but your suggestion is much simpler than what has been tried so far: one click from the banner to editing a section. And inviting people to edit before asking them to register also seems simpler. Identify the categories of the page currently displayed Is it currently possible to page-target or category-target banners? This would be useful for all sorts of messaging. I start a page on meta to see if this idea can be discuss/expand/improved/deployed https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/outreach_fundraising_campaign Thanks for your comment or your help, you can also took my idea , change it totally and turn it in something doable! :-D Thank you for sharing :) I'm not yet sure how much of it is currently doable, but it's a good area for experimentation. Nathan writes: So, as has been suggested on this list before (by me, and others), maybe you should run a separate outreach campaign, with actually useful and targeted banners How could we experiment with a large number of banners and campaigns, driven by communities on individual wikis? I don't know if any WMF staff are considering this in the near future, but it's something that anyone can organize. Community groups can propose global banners via CentralNotice on Meta (easier if they are run at a low %, or wiki- or geo-targeted), and can run local banners as well, though with less flexibility. SJ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
