Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
Would it be possible for the WLM banner to show on the Main Page only during 8-22 September, with the fundraising banner on every other page? -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
This is not the first time this conflict appears, but this is the worst outcome ever so far. In all the years I have been asking for an explanation why it is not possible to move it, or why it is urgently to do it in September, nothing reasonable has been provided for that. Nothing in all those years. If a fundraising banner has a big negative influence on a project, I think it is time to have the community involved and have them speak out what they think about the situation. As FR only speaks to a few people, they seem to have the impression that they can freely decide without taking the community in account. I think it will be time to have the community speak out what they think in a request for comment/voting or something on Meta. Anyone an idea or the experience how to set such up? Romaine 2015-08-20 13:26 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com: Which is Fundraising's point? I haven't seen anything here about why WMF so urgently needs to request Italian donations in September. Am 20.08.2015 07:27 schrieb Risker risker...@gmail.com: I can understand the frustration that members of WMIT are expressing here, but I also see Fundraising's point. I wonder if there are not some other options that could be considered. For example, instead of a banner, perhaps a big bright button on the sidebar that says Upload images for Wiki Loves Monuments here! may be technically feasible. It's not quite the equivalent of a banner, but it does address the wayfinding issue at least. (I think that's possibly the biggest downside of not having the WLM banners in rotation.) Let's give ourselves permission to think outside the box a bit here; both of these activities are valuable and important to our movement, each of them have different but viable reasons for wanting to proceed during that specific period. There are a lot of smart people reading this mailing list. I'd like to think between the several-hundred of us we might be able to come up with a solution that works to accommodate both groups. Risker/Anne On 20 August 2015 at 01:19, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, Andrew is right. Navigation is a very important focus point of organising every Wiki Loves Monuments. The complexity of the navigation is that MediaWiki and the whole group of Wikimedia wikis is not designed for navigation, but designed for showing content. In the past eight years small improvements have been made in this field, but in general speaking it is still not easy to navigate for the majority of the people. Romaine 2015-08-19 20:45 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com: I think Andrew is right: the WLM banner serves as a pointer, and it's very easy to remember go on Wikipedia and click into the banner on the top. It's much more difficult to remember the strange name of the contest (in Italy it's still called Wiki Loves Monuments, even if it's English). And of course we do not have good analytics for the banner: nobody knows homw many page views there are in a single wiki per day, so we cannot count the clickthroughs (which we have as the link is on a WLM landing page). Aubrey On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 19 August 2015 at 14:26, Sam Klein sjkl...@hcs.harvard.edu wrote: There's a more general problem here we should fix: We already know that effectiveness of any single banner drops off dramatically after the first few views. So there's rarely a reason to run a continuous banner -- certainly not if there are other banners to run. I think we should be cautious about using our fundraising experience to predict the efficiency of 'delayed call-to-action' banners like WLM - to my mind they seem to function in quite different roles. The fundraising banner is calling for an immediate action. You see it, and you either donate or you don't. If you decide not to donate, you probably won't decide to donate on seeing it tomorrow, either; while if you have donated, you're probably not going to donate again. So the banner being repeated doesn't gain us much, and it has progressively less value on the third, fourth, fifth appearances. There are relatively few people who see a fundraising banner and decide I'll sleep on it, then come back tomorrow and donate. And if they *do*, well - there's a donate link on every page, once they're looking for it. However, WLM is calling for a delayed action - go off, do something, and come back again to tell us about it. The most desired outcome is probably that a previously uninvolved person will see it, click through, think that sounds fun, and go off to take some photos - after all, it's running all
Re: [Wikimedia-l] GA Stats using Wikimedia Stats
Thanks a lot. It was very helpful No, most of these Wikipedias don't have such categories. I'll check further. Regards. On 19 August 2015 at 16:40, Erik Zachte ezac...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Tito, Wikistats can collect pageviews for a certain category and its subcategories. In English Wikipedia I just ran the script for categories WikiProject_Featured_articles and WikiProject_Good_articles Featured articles, 1 pageviews 2 categories included 1 http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pageviews/categorized/wp-en/2015-06/pageviews_wp-en_cat_WikiProject_Featured_articles_2015-06.html 2 http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pageviews/categorized/wp-en/2015-06/categories_wp-en_cat_WikiProject_Featured_articles_2015-06.html Good articles, 1 pageviews 2 categories included 1 http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pageviews/categorized/wp-en/2015-06/pageviews_wp-en_cat_WikiProject_Good_articles_2015-06.html 2 http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/pageviews/categorized/wp-en/2015-06/categories_wp-en_cat_WikiProject_Good_articles_2015-06.html I you have similar categories for the Indian languages I can try to parse those as well (I say 'try' as I vaguely remember an open bug with non western letters in category name not being parsed well, I might need to look into that) Cheers, Erik -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Asaf Bartov Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 4:39 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] GA Stats using Wikimedia Stats No. That site does not provide that data. A. On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 4:33 AM, Tito Dutta trulyt...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Is there any way to find Good article stats/details (of mainly Indian Language Wikis) using http://stats.wikimedia.org/? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
Why wmf needs to put a fundraising banner every year on wp. Isn't there enough money in Frisco? Just wondering :) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 16:48:02 +1000 From: jay...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising Would it be possible for the WLM banner to show on the Main Page only during 8-22 September, with the fundraising banner on every other page? -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
Which is Fundraising's point? I haven't seen anything here about why WMF so urgently needs to request Italian donations in September. Am 20.08.2015 07:27 schrieb Risker risker...@gmail.com: I can understand the frustration that members of WMIT are expressing here, but I also see Fundraising's point. I wonder if there are not some other options that could be considered. For example, instead of a banner, perhaps a big bright button on the sidebar that says Upload images for Wiki Loves Monuments here! may be technically feasible. It's not quite the equivalent of a banner, but it does address the wayfinding issue at least. (I think that's possibly the biggest downside of not having the WLM banners in rotation.) Let's give ourselves permission to think outside the box a bit here; both of these activities are valuable and important to our movement, each of them have different but viable reasons for wanting to proceed during that specific period. There are a lot of smart people reading this mailing list. I'd like to think between the several-hundred of us we might be able to come up with a solution that works to accommodate both groups. Risker/Anne On 20 August 2015 at 01:19, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, Andrew is right. Navigation is a very important focus point of organising every Wiki Loves Monuments. The complexity of the navigation is that MediaWiki and the whole group of Wikimedia wikis is not designed for navigation, but designed for showing content. In the past eight years small improvements have been made in this field, but in general speaking it is still not easy to navigate for the majority of the people. Romaine 2015-08-19 20:45 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com: I think Andrew is right: the WLM banner serves as a pointer, and it's very easy to remember go on Wikipedia and click into the banner on the top. It's much more difficult to remember the strange name of the contest (in Italy it's still called Wiki Loves Monuments, even if it's English). And of course we do not have good analytics for the banner: nobody knows homw many page views there are in a single wiki per day, so we cannot count the clickthroughs (which we have as the link is on a WLM landing page). Aubrey On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 19 August 2015 at 14:26, Sam Klein sjkl...@hcs.harvard.edu wrote: There's a more general problem here we should fix: We already know that effectiveness of any single banner drops off dramatically after the first few views. So there's rarely a reason to run a continuous banner -- certainly not if there are other banners to run. I think we should be cautious about using our fundraising experience to predict the efficiency of 'delayed call-to-action' banners like WLM - to my mind they seem to function in quite different roles. The fundraising banner is calling for an immediate action. You see it, and you either donate or you don't. If you decide not to donate, you probably won't decide to donate on seeing it tomorrow, either; while if you have donated, you're probably not going to donate again. So the banner being repeated doesn't gain us much, and it has progressively less value on the third, fourth, fifth appearances. There are relatively few people who see a fundraising banner and decide I'll sleep on it, then come back tomorrow and donate. And if they *do*, well - there's a donate link on every page, once they're looking for it. However, WLM is calling for a delayed action - go off, do something, and come back again to tell us about it. The most desired outcome is probably that a previously uninvolved person will see it, click through, think that sounds fun, and go off to take some photos - after all, it's running all month, they can do it at the weekend. A few days later they come back, and want to upload their photos... but if the banner's not there on Wikipedia, they won't really know where to go. They might not remember the name (Wiki something?), making it hard to search for the contest, and they probably didn't bookmark the WLM pages. There isn't anything else on the page that would help to take them there, and if they're not involved in the projects already they probably won't know where the information's likely to be. If we can't make sure they can find WLM easily when they return, then we've wasted the original call to action, we've wasted the potential contributions, *and*, most importantly, we've wasted their time and goodwill. I think this difference in intended response styles makes it hard to generalise from the diminishing returns experienced on fundraising. Yes, a repeated banner will get progressively
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