Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sick of the subject "(no subject)"

[K. Peachey]

I think that is a tad inappropriate, when it's been pointed out it's most
likely a bug in gmail causing it.

You can always create a filter in your email client of choosing if you
don't want to see what, the two(?) threads that are active atm.

On 4 December 2015 at 19:55, Richard Ames  wrote:

> If anybody posts another message  or reply with the subject "(no
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sick of the subject "(no subject)"

[Austin Hair]

I won't speak for him, but I think Richard was venting more than
making a serious threat. Assuming this is indeed unintentional, nobody
has anything to worry about.

Austin

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:12 AM, K. Peachey  wrote:
> I think that is a tad inappropriate, when it's been pointed out it's most
> likely a bug in gmail causing it.
>
> You can always create a filter in your email client of choosing if you
> don't want to see what, the two(?) threads that are active atm.
>
> On 4 December 2015 at 19:55, Richard Ames  wrote:
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sick of the subject "(no subject)"

[K. Peachey]

If a respondent changes the subject, It splits the thread off to yet
another thread (for those in a threaded client) which in my personal view
is even more disruptive.

Each to their own I guess.

On 4 December 2015 at 21:32, Richard Ames  wrote:

> I was venting and I had had a drink or two.  I think any reasonable
> correspondent can change the subject line.
>
> So I was sort of serious,
>
> Richard.
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Austin Hair  wrote:
>
> > I won't speak for him, but I think Richard was venting more than
> > making a serious threat. Assuming this is indeed unintentional, nobody
> > has anything to worry about.
> >
> > Austin
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:12 AM, K. Peachey  wrote:
> > > I think that is a tad inappropriate, when it's been pointed out it's
> most
> > > likely a bug in gmail causing it.
> > >
> > > You can always create a filter in your email client of choosing if you
> > > don't want to see what, the two(?) threads that are active atm.
> > >
> > > On 4 December 2015 at 19:55, Richard Ames  wrote:
> > >
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[Wikimedia-l] Sick of the subject "(no subject)"

[Richard Ames]

If anybody posts another message  or reply with the subject "(no
subject)"... they go on moderation for at least a week.

Richard.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sick of the subject "(no subject)"

[Richard Ames]

I was venting and I had had a drink or two.  I think any reasonable
correspondent can change the subject line.

So I was sort of serious,

Richard.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Austin Hair  wrote:

> I won't speak for him, but I think Richard was venting more than
> making a serious threat. Assuming this is indeed unintentional, nobody
> has anything to worry about.
>
> Austin
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:12 AM, K. Peachey  wrote:
> > I think that is a tad inappropriate, when it's been pointed out it's most
> > likely a bug in gmail causing it.
> >
> > You can always create a filter in your email client of choosing if you
> > don't want to see what, the two(?) threads that are active atm.
> >
> > On 4 December 2015 at 19:55, Richard Ames  wrote:
> >
> >> If anybody posts another message  or reply with the subject "(no
> >> subject)"... they go on moderation for at least a week.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[John Mark Vandenberg]

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 3:25 PM, James Heilman  wrote:
> 1) Yes everyone realizes that using a non free image in our fundraising
> banners is not okay. It was a mistake. These things happen and we correct
> them.

Funny how the first response from a WMF employee was that they thought
using stock images was OK.

https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-December/080112.html

Im not sure the Fundraising team are on board with your 'free content
only' expectations.  Lisa indicated that contractors are also allowed
to use WMF owned media that hasnt been released as free content, and
'upload to Commons' is not part of their processes before media is
used in worldwide campaigns.

Some declared fundraising principles, which everyone agrees and
adheres to, would be good.

> 2) When is it okay to run smaller commercial ads rather than larger
> fundraising banners? Never.

I think the acceptable model for 'commercial' ads worth exploring is
to run 'thank you' ads for large corporate donors, provided those
'ads' are not targeted based on content or user. e.g. targeting only
based on time segments or countries.

Would you find a donation matching 'ad' acceptable, like was done for
Virgin Unite in 2006?

https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_thanks_Virgin_Unite

> I would much rather see the WMF become smaller
> than to see ads run.

'smaller' isnt a good way to look at it.  reduced expenditure may be
achieved by being more efficient, especially by using volunteers more
effectively.

Are you doing any planning around that possibility?

My understanding is the WMF management + fundraising costs are ~30% of
expenditure, which is below the American Institute of Philanthropy
(AIP) 's best practise of 80% program spend.  The current rate is
still in acceptable efficiency ranges according to the AIP.  If the
revenue decreases, as is a credible concern that has been raised by
WMF Fundraising team, fundraising costs will need to decrease to avoid
that percentage moving into the unacceptable range.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sick of the subject "(no subject)"

[Liam Wyatt]

On Friday, 4 December 2015, Chris Keating 
wrote:

> Possibly now is the time to draw a line under this conversation,


Perhaps it should be called a "subject line"? :-)
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: "Wikipedia as the front matter to all research": A brown bag on scholarly citations in Wikipedia this Friday 12/4 @ 12 PT

[Dario Taraborelli]

A reminder that this will be streamed today at 9pm CET / 12pm PST
You can join the conversation via IRC on #wikimedia-office 

Dario

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Dario Taraborelli 
> 
> Come and join us for a brown bag this Friday December 4 at 12 PT to learn 
> about unique identifiers and scholarly citations in Wikipedia, why they 
> matter and how we can bridge the gap between the Wikimedia, research and 
> librarian communities.
> 
> Wikipedia as the front matter to all research
> 
>   YouTube stream: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB_oexqz8pA 
>  
>   Event information on Meta: 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_as_the_front_matter_to_all_research 
> 
>  
> 
> Measuring citizen engagement with the scholarly literature through Wikipedia 
> citations.
> Geoffrey Bilder, CrossRef
> 
> Wikipedia (in toto) is probably the 5th largest referrer of citations to the 
> scholarly literature. That is, more Wikipedia users click on and follow 
> citations to the scholarly literature *from* Wikipedia domains than from any 
> single scholarly publisher in the world. What does this tell us about general 
> interest in the scholarly literature? What does this tell us about scholarly 
> engagement with  editing Wikipedia articles? The short answer is “we don’t 
> know.”  But we are actively working with Wikimedia to find out.
> 
> Building the sum of all human citations
> Dario Taraborelli, WIkimedia Foundation
> 
> As sourcing and verifiability of online information are threatened 
> 
>  by the explosion of answer engines and the changing habits of web users, 
> Wikimedia has an outstanding opportunity to extract and store source data for 
> any conceivable statement and make it transparently verifiable by its users. 
> In this talk, I’ll present a grassroots effort 
>  to 
> create a human-curated, comprehensive repository of all human citations in 
> Wikidata.
> 
> –
> Bonus read: a real-time tracker of scholarly citations added to Wikipedia, 
> built with Raspberry Pi
> http://blog.crossref.org/2015/12/crossref-labs-plays-with-the-raspberry-pi-zero.html
>  
> 
> 


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[Peter Southwood]

Lisa, when you give us links to look at new versions of banners, please try to 
use links that actually display the banners.
Cheers,
Peter

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of 
Lisa Gruwell
Sent: Thursday, 03 December 2015 9:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

We agree with you that WMF fundraising should not use stock photography.
This was a mistake by a designer.  We specify in our contracts with outside 
designers that the images used should be custom artwork that WMF owns (and can 
then share) or freely licensed images.  We pulled that banner yesterday and 
asked our designers for a new custom image that we can freely license.
We are running another banner with a custom light bulb image at 100% now.
This artwork will be added to Commons.   We also have a few new banners
featuring some beautiful Commons images that are under development:   Stars

, Penguin

 Thank
you for pointing this out to us.



Best,

Lisa

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Rob  wrote:

> I don't think this rises to the level of outrage, but it's a little 
> important.  The goal of the WMF should be to promote free and open 
> content, and this adds to the perception that the WMF is disconnected 
> from those goals and the community.  I don't care if they use a stock 
> photo if they need to, but when they have smart, capable, and creative 
> people like Victor Grigas on staff, they can certainly manage to 
> photograph a cup of coffee and release it as a CC photo to set a good 
> example for the community and movement.
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
>  wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > It is that time of year where money is asked from the people. 
> > Arguably we would do more when the Wikimedia foundation was not so 
> > FF-ing Wikipedia centred.The arguments for not giving Wikisource 
> > have passed their sell by date and usability for exposing its 
> > wonderful work is imho a
> disfigurement
> > on the resume of the WMF (among others). This is a cheap one to fix. 
> > It makes sense to fix it as I understand sources are part of 
> > "Wikimedia
> Zero"
> > and it would make a world of a difference when the sources can 
> > actually
> be
> > found.
> >
> > Unicef among others has fundraising campaigns for education because 
> > it is not its most important priority. As long as kids die because 
> > of lack of food, safe water, preventable disease and temperature it is 
> > obvious why.
> > Such an excuse the WMF does not have. It could ask for additional 
> > funding for Wikisource, for Wikidata for ... and it would have a solid 
> > argument.
> > Thanks,
> >   GerardM
> >
> > On 3 December 2015 at 10:25, Andrea Zanni 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Pine W  wrote:
> >>
> >> > Under the redesigned grants scheme, WMF Project grants might be 
> >> > able
> to
> >> > help with this kind of software development work for Commons 
> >> > and/or Wikisource. I happen to know a developer here in Cascadia 
> >> > who might be interested, either as an individual or in 
> >> > association with a Wikimedia affiliate, in doing this kind of work on a 
> >> > grant or contract basis.
> >> >
> >> > Pinging Kacie for comment about possible grant funding. (:
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Pine, thanks for the comment.
> >> I understand what you mean, and I do believe there is space to work 
> >> on Wikisource via grants, BUT.
> >>
> >> But I already did a Individual Engagement Grant in 2013 (with David
> Cuenca)
> >> regarding Wikisource.
> >> It was great, but IEGs don't give you staff time. So me and David 
> >> used Google Summer of Code, and we mentored 4 projects: if I'm not 
> >> mistaken, only one was really finished, meaning it produced 
> >> concrete results on Wikisource. Others stopped before (for example, 
> >> two dedicated mediawiki extensions were not put in production). 
> >> Within the IEG, we made a big survey among Wikisource communities, 
> >> to develop a wishlist and a roadmap for WS communities. We set up a 
> >> Wikisource Community User Group. We
> talked
> >> and talked. Bugs were and are reported, from years. Two weeks ago, 
> >> we convened the very first internationl Wikisource conference, in 
> >> Vienna, hosted by Wikimedia Austria (3 members from WMF were there, 
> >> and we had a great and productive time, reports will follow).
> >>
> >> I've personally been involved in all of these efforts, so I've also 
> >> seen that real impact of Wikisource infrastructure (core WS 
> >> extension,
> design,
> >> interface, performance, development) has been minimal. I don't 
> >> really
> want
> >> to have this conversation here and now, but I have had a fair 

[Wikimedia-l] Fund-raising principles and strategy

[MZMcBride]

John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
>Some declared fundraising principles, which everyone agrees and
>adheres to, would be good.

We have:

"Resolution:Wikimedia fundraising principles"
* https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:Permalink/55954

"Resolution:Developing Scenarios for future of fundraising"
* https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:Permalink/98415

We also have:

"CentralNotice/Usage guidelines"
* https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Permalink/14516647

James Heilman wrote:
> 2) When is it okay to run smaller commercial ads rather than larger
>fundraising banners? Never. I would much rather see the WMF become
>smaller than to see ads run.

We already have advertising on Wikipedia. What if Harvard University, the
Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, or the Electronic Frontier Foundation
were willing pay the Wikimedia Foundation a few million dollars for a
short and unobtrusive ad campaign? It doesn't have to be Monsanto or
Coca-Cola buying ad space, it could be a like-minded organization that has
extra money and supports the Wikimedia Foundation's mission.

I agree with John that gift-matching is an activity that we should
re-explore. It's not unprecedented, as he notes. If a company like Virgin
were willing to triple or quadruple each donation received in exchange for
a small logo in a fund-raising ad, doesn't that merit consideration?

I also agree with John that greater efficiency, including smarter use of
volunteers, would go far toward a more sustainable fund-raising model.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[Michael Peel]

Try when logged out - the links worked fine for me after logging out.

Thanks,
Mike

> On 4 Dec 2015, at 15:54, Peter Southwood  wrote:
> 
> Lisa, when you give us links to look at new versions of banners, please try 
> to use links that actually display the banners.
> Cheers,
> Peter
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Lisa Gruwell
> Sent: Thursday, 03 December 2015 9:30 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)
> 
> We agree with you that WMF fundraising should not use stock photography.
> This was a mistake by a designer.  We specify in our contracts with outside 
> designers that the images used should be custom artwork that WMF owns (and 
> can then share) or freely licensed images.  We pulled that banner yesterday 
> and asked our designers for a new custom image that we can freely license.
> We are running another banner with a custom light bulb image at 100% now.
> This artwork will be added to Commons.   We also have a few new banners
> featuring some beautiful Commons images that are under development:   Stars
> 
> , Penguin
> 
> Thank
> you for pointing this out to us.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Lisa
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Rob  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think this rises to the level of outrage, but it's a little 
>> important.  The goal of the WMF should be to promote free and open 
>> content, and this adds to the perception that the WMF is disconnected 
>> from those goals and the community.  I don't care if they use a stock 
>> photo if they need to, but when they have smart, capable, and creative 
>> people like Victor Grigas on staff, they can certainly manage to 
>> photograph a cup of coffee and release it as a CC photo to set a good 
>> example for the community and movement.
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
>>  wrote:
>>> Hoi,
>>> It is that time of year where money is asked from the people. 
>>> Arguably we would do more when the Wikimedia foundation was not so 
>>> FF-ing Wikipedia centred.The arguments for not giving Wikisource 
>>> have passed their sell by date and usability for exposing its 
>>> wonderful work is imho a
>> disfigurement
>>> on the resume of the WMF (among others). This is a cheap one to fix. 
>>> It makes sense to fix it as I understand sources are part of 
>>> "Wikimedia
>> Zero"
>>> and it would make a world of a difference when the sources can 
>>> actually
>> be
>>> found.
>>> 
>>> Unicef among others has fundraising campaigns for education because 
>>> it is not its most important priority. As long as kids die because 
>>> of lack of food, safe water, preventable disease and temperature it is 
>>> obvious why.
>>> Such an excuse the WMF does not have. It could ask for additional 
>>> funding for Wikisource, for Wikidata for ... and it would have a solid 
>>> argument.
>>> Thanks,
>>>  GerardM
>>> 
 On 3 December 2015 at 10:25, Andrea Zanni 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Pine W  wrote:
> 
> Under the redesigned grants scheme, WMF Project grants might be 
> able
>> to
> help with this kind of software development work for Commons 
> and/or Wikisource. I happen to know a developer here in Cascadia 
> who might be interested, either as an individual or in 
> association with a Wikimedia affiliate, in doing this kind of work on a 
> grant or contract basis.
> 
> Pinging Kacie for comment about possible grant funding. (:
 
 
 Hi Pine, thanks for the comment.
 I understand what you mean, and I do believe there is space to work 
 on Wikisource via grants, BUT.
 
 But I already did a Individual Engagement Grant in 2013 (with David
>> Cuenca)
 regarding Wikisource.
 It was great, but IEGs don't give you staff time. So me and David 
 used Google Summer of Code, and we mentored 4 projects: if I'm not 
 mistaken, only one was really finished, meaning it produced 
 concrete results on Wikisource. Others stopped before (for example, 
 two dedicated mediawiki extensions were not put in production). 
 Within the IEG, we made a big survey among Wikisource communities, 
 to develop a wishlist and a roadmap for WS communities. We set up a 
 Wikisource Community User Group. We
>> talked
 and talked. Bugs were and are reported, from years. Two weeks ago, 
 we convened the very first internationl Wikisource conference, in 
 Vienna, hosted by Wikimedia Austria (3 members from WMF were there, 
 and we had a great and productive time, reports will follow).
 
 I've personally been involved in all of these efforts, so I've 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sick of the subject "(no subject)"

[Rjd0060]

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 6:50 AM, K. Peachey  wrote:

> Each to their own I guess.


Yes, until people start getting put on moderation (even if the cause is the
list admin being under the influence .. unless that was also a
joke).

Regardless, if we dislike it to that extent how about setting a content
filter via mailman so that such items are held for mod or discarded.  I
don't think immediate threats are the way to go.

While I agree subject lines are helpful in every email, perhaps a personal
decision no to open them should be considered by those who hate them to the
extent that Richards does.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sick of the subject "(no subject)"

[Chris Keating]

Possibly now is the time to draw a line under this conversation, as nothing
productive is likely to come of it.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Rjd0060  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 6:50 AM, K. Peachey  wrote:
>
> > Each to their own I guess.
>
>
> Yes, until people start getting put on moderation (even if the cause is the
> list admin being under the influence .. unless that was also a
> joke).
>
> Regardless, if we dislike it to that extent how about setting a content
> filter via mailman so that such items are held for mod or discarded.  I
> don't think immediate threats are the way to go.
>
> While I agree subject lines are helpful in every email, perhaps a personal
> decision no to open them should be considered by those who hate them to the
> extent that Richards does.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[Peter Southwood]

Nope, doesn’t help.
Surely it is possible to have a direct link to the banner which always works, 
wherever you are, and whether or not you are logged in.
Cheers,
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Try when logged out - the links worked fine for me after logging out.

Thanks,
Mike

> On 4 Dec 2015, at 15:54, Peter Southwood  wrote:
> 
> Lisa, when you give us links to look at new versions of banners, please try 
> to use links that actually display the banners.
> Cheers,
> Peter
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On 
> Behalf Of Lisa Gruwell
> Sent: Thursday, 03 December 2015 9:30 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)
> 
> We agree with you that WMF fundraising should not use stock photography.
> This was a mistake by a designer.  We specify in our contracts with outside 
> designers that the images used should be custom artwork that WMF owns (and 
> can then share) or freely licensed images.  We pulled that banner yesterday 
> and asked our designers for a new custom image that we can freely license.
> We are running another banner with a custom light bulb image at 100% now.
> This artwork will be added to Commons.   We also have a few new banners
> featuring some beautiful Commons images that are under development:   Stars
>  ce=1=US>
> , Penguin
>  ce=1=US>
> Thank
> you for pointing this out to us.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Lisa
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Rob  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think this rises to the level of outrage, but it's a little 
>> important.  The goal of the WMF should be to promote free and open 
>> content, and this adds to the perception that the WMF is disconnected 
>> from those goals and the community.  I don't care if they use a stock 
>> photo if they need to, but when they have smart, capable, and 
>> creative people like Victor Grigas on staff, they can certainly 
>> manage to photograph a cup of coffee and release it as a CC photo to 
>> set a good example for the community and movement.
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:41 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
>>  wrote:
>>> Hoi,
>>> It is that time of year where money is asked from the people. 
>>> Arguably we would do more when the Wikimedia foundation was not so 
>>> FF-ing Wikipedia centred.The arguments for not giving Wikisource 
>>> have passed their sell by date and usability for exposing its 
>>> wonderful work is imho a
>> disfigurement
>>> on the resume of the WMF (among others). This is a cheap one to fix. 
>>> It makes sense to fix it as I understand sources are part of 
>>> "Wikimedia
>> Zero"
>>> and it would make a world of a difference when the sources can 
>>> actually
>> be
>>> found.
>>> 
>>> Unicef among others has fundraising campaigns for education because 
>>> it is not its most important priority. As long as kids die because 
>>> of lack of food, safe water, preventable disease and temperature it is 
>>> obvious why.
>>> Such an excuse the WMF does not have. It could ask for additional 
>>> funding for Wikisource, for Wikidata for ... and it would have a solid 
>>> argument.
>>> Thanks,
>>>  GerardM
>>> 
 On 3 December 2015 at 10:25, Andrea Zanni 
 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Pine W  wrote:
> 
> Under the redesigned grants scheme, WMF Project grants might be 
> able
>> to
> help with this kind of software development work for Commons 
> and/or Wikisource. I happen to know a developer here in Cascadia 
> who might be interested, either as an individual or in association 
> with a Wikimedia affiliate, in doing this kind of work on a grant or 
> contract basis.
> 
> Pinging Kacie for comment about possible grant funding. (:
 
 
 Hi Pine, thanks for the comment.
 I understand what you mean, and I do believe there is space to work 
 on Wikisource via grants, BUT.
 
 But I already did a Individual Engagement Grant in 2013 (with David
>> Cuenca)
 regarding Wikisource.
 It was great, but IEGs don't give you staff time. So me and David 
 used Google Summer of Code, and we mentored 4 projects: if I'm not 
 mistaken, only one was really finished, meaning it produced 
 concrete results on Wikisource. Others stopped before (for example, 
 two dedicated mediawiki extensions were not put in production).
 Within the IEG, we made a big survey among Wikisource communities, 
 to develop a wishlist and a roadmap for WS communities. We set up a 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 15-12-04 04:14 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
> Funny how the first response from a WMF employee was that they thought
> using stock images was OK.

Please don't put words into my mouth that weren't there.  I said that I
didn't find it /concerning/, not that it was "OK".

My point in that email was that commons makes it ungodly hard to find
what you want, not commenting on whether or not the use of stock
photography is desirable.

Also, I don't work with fundraising and am not involved with the banners
in any way.  Even if I /had/ expressed the opinion that it was Ok to use
stock photography, it'd just be that - my personal opinion.

-- Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[Brad Jorsch (Anomie)]

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Michael Peel  wrote:

> Try when logged out - the links worked fine for me after logging out.
>

They work fine for me even when logged-in. Since it's enwiki, you might
check if you have the "Suppress display of fundraiser banners" gadget
enabled (or similar code in your user .js or .css) if it's not working for
you.


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Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[Bohdan Melnychuk]

Wikimedia community consists of many professionals of very different 
trades. I am pretty sure we have professional graphic designers within 
the community who would willingly do the work done for free. Just a 
small effort should be done reaching them. --Base


On 04.12.2015 2:21, geni wrote:

On 3 December 2015 at 23:29, Gnangarra  wrote:


hold it, back up the truck for a moment

If the WMF has a fundraising team and a PR/media team why is it paying a
third party to provide the banners surely someone should be able to design
them in house, what about someone from the design teams working on other
projects.   If no one has the skills to layout a banner why not ask the
community for some options there are many skilled volunteers that would
gladly do it for free, the WMF could even offer a scholarship to Wikimania
as an incentive to get it done within a short time frame.



Graphic design is really one of those things better left to professionals.
Equally for a handful of banners going externally rather than employing
someone full time makes sense. Admittedly the WMF hasn't had the best of
luck with its external contractors (wikipedia forever, this) but in
principle it is a valid approach.





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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l subject line filtering

[Richard Ames]

I have added filters to catch these messages as suggested in:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120314

Regards, Richard.

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 1:54 AM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:

> On Friday, 4 December 2015, Chris Keating 
> wrote:
>
> > Possibly now is the time to draw a line under this conversation,
>
>
> Perhaps it should be called a "subject line"? :-)
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[Wikimedia-l] Help decide Future IdeaLab Campaigns!

[Chris Schilling]

Hey everyone,

I invite you to help decide what topics should be considered for future
IdeaLab campaigns, which generate novel proposals for improving and
addressing community needs on the Wikimedia projects to which you
contribute:



You can offer feedback and your own campaign topics through a survey
conducted through AllOurIdeas 
in addition to participating on the IdeaLab talk page.

I’m looking forward to seeing your feedback and exploring potential
directions we can take IdeaLab campaigns for next year!

With thanks,

Jethro

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Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banner (again)

[Peter Coombe]

(resending to thread with subject line, apologies if this comes through
twice!)

Hi all, just wanted to weigh in on a few things brought up in this and the
other threads.

* The coffee cup stock image was a mistake and miscommunication with a
contractor. IANAL but my understanding is that they had a license from the
stock photo company, so the use was legal, but not free use as we would
like. Once we became aware there was a problem, we stopped using the image
and switched to the current lightbulb graphics. We'll certainly be more
careful about this in future.

* A number of people have suggested using
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cup_of_Coffee.svg, which is a very
nice image but unfortunately seems to be lacking permission and is pending
deletion from Commons. We've found some other alternative freely licensed
coffee cup images, but for now the lightbulb graphics are doing very well
so we're concentrating on them.

* In the past we have tested a few banners which focused on highlighting
great images from Commons (with attribution of course). [1] Unfortunately
these didn't perform as well as our other banners, but it's something we
would like to revisit in future. We have also been testing using Commons
images in some of our emails to past donors, which has seen more success.

* Uploading fundraising banner images to donate.wikimedia.org was simply a
pragmatic decision. Because these images are so widely seen, they could be
a tempting target for vandalism. Uploading to Commons would require
protecting them, which is an extra step that's easy to forget, and would
also require granting Commons administrator or staff rights to multiple
people. We could have used wikimediafoundation.org, but it was thought
better to keep all the fundraising images together, and avoid overloading
that project with something it wasn't really intended for. When we produce
artwork or an image that is Commons worthy, we share it there.

* Not showing the banner again if someone donated is a great suggestion,
and in fact it's something we already do by setting cookies when people
reach the Thank You page.

Thanks,
Peter

[1] You can see some examples here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising#2015-2016_Q1_Update

-- 
Peter Coombe
Fundraising Production Manager
Wikimedia Foundation


On 3 December 2015 at 17:54, rupert THURNER 
wrote:

> One feedback I got today is to not display the banner any more if the
> person donated.
> On Dec 3, 2015 16:37, "Liam Wyatt"  wrote:
>
> > TL;DR - we've reached "peak banner", how do we change the fundraising
> > model to be about working smarter, not just pushing harder. This needs
> > to be part of a broader process that involves strategic planning
> > transparency, endowment discussions, editor-recruitment, etc. Not just
> > about fullscreen advertising.
> >
> > I, along with many here, am dismayed that the banners are now at the
> > stage of being fullscreen. However, as others have mentioned, the
> > actual text of the request has been adjusted following a reasonably
> > collaborative process to identify text that is both effective and
> > acceptable to the community. Also, the fundraising team have been
> > placed in the difficult position of being told to raise a LOT more
> > money without being given more methods to do so.[1] Naturally then,
> > there is a point where the existing methods reach their maximum
> > effectiveness, and capacity is stretched to the point where awkward
> > mistakes happen.[2]
> >
> > At this point, I suspect we've reached "peak banner".
> >
> > Rather like "peak oil" - after drilling the same oil reserve for a
> > long time, you have to pump exponentially harder to maintain a steady
> > flow.[2] Furthermore, the harder you pump today, the more difficult it
> > will be tomorrow. I think we've reached that point with the
> > fundraising advertising and emails. We know that the donation amounts
> > are decreasing, but the budget is increasing. There are many suggested
> > reasons for the decreased supply (relevant parables for this include
> > "killing the goose that laid the golden egg" and "the boy who cried
> > wolf"). So it's now time to talk about pumping smarter, not harder.
> >
> > An important part of that shift is the recently-opened (but longtime
> > mooted) discussion about an endowment. I commend Lisa's essay[3] as an
> > excellent start to formulating a long-term plan. There are many
> > important questions that would need to be answered as part of that
> > strategy. People interested in this really ought to read her thoughts
> > on creating a "growing endowment" and the advantages/challenges this
> > would bring. Carefully and consultatively addressing the challenges in
> > creating an endowment would also go a long way towards fixing other
> > related concerns:
> >
> > - Improving the transparency of the WMF strategy and the way decisions
> > are made (see also the discussion about the FDC 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation IEG program will fund 14 community-led projects

[Lila Tretikov]

Thank you Marti, committee. And congratulation to all of the grantees.

Lila

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Marti Johnson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In the latest round of Individual Engagement Grants
> , 29 eligible proposals were
> submitted for review. The committee recommended 14 for funding, with 19
> grantees selected to receive $83,113 overall.  WMF has now approved all
> 14 grants.  Here’s what we’re funding.[1]
>
> Tools - 7 projects funded
>
> * Batch Uploader for small GLAM projects
> 
> :
> This project will create a simple batch content upload tool in order to
> address the needs of smaller GLAM institutions who may not have the
> necessary resources, including budget, time, or staff expertise, to operate
> the existing tools used by larger galleries, libraries, archives, and
> museums.[2]
>
> * Pan Scandinavian Machine Assisted Content Translation
> 
> :
> Using Apertium, an open-source machine translation platform, this project
> will create translation data for closely-related languages Swedish, Danish
> and Norwegian (Bokmål and Nynorsk) for use in Content Translation, an
> on-wiki translation tool.[3]
>
> * StrepHit: Wikidata Statements Validation via Reference
> 
> :
> Using natural language processing, this project will take online content
> from a selection of (non-Wikimedia) websites and documents and then
> automatically convert the raw text into references to external sources
> thereby verifying the data provided in existing Wikidata statements.[4]
>
> * Wikimaps Warper 2.0
> :
> This project will focus on improvements to Map Warper, an open-source tool
> used for digitally aligning and overlaying historical maps, in order to
> make the software more accessible to Wikimedians and better integrated with
> Wikimedia projects.[5]
>
> * Wiki Needs Pictures
> :
> By centralizing multiple sources of data including local templates,
> category labels, and Wikidata item properties in one application, this
> project will create a coordinated image request system with a
> mobile-friendly map-based interface that allows contributors to easily
> discover where there is demand from Wikimedia projects for specific
> images.[6]
>
> * Semi-automatically generate Categories for Vietnamese Wikipedia
> 
> :
> By implementing natural language processing patterns, this project aims to
> create and apply English Wikipedia category structures to Vietnamese
> Wikipedia with the help of the community to evaluate and standardize the
> naming convention process.[7]
>
> * Proofreading semi-automatically the Catalan Wikipedia with LanguageTool
> 
> :
> Using the open source program LanguageTool, this project will supervise
> the analysis of content, document common grammar errors, and develop bots
> and scripts to replicate their corresponding edits in Catalan Wikipedia.
> [8]
>
> Offline Outreach & Partnership - 5 projects funded
>
> * Editing Maithili Wikipedia
> :
> This project will deliver a series of in-person training sessions to
> students in Nepal’s Satpari District in order to create and nurture an
> active group of editors on Maithili-language Wikipedia.[9]
>
> * Increase Awareness of and Participation in Indic Language Wikipedias in
> Colorado
> 
> :
> Small group instruction and training in native language typing in multiple
> Indic scripts are the focus of this project which seeks to eliminate some
> of the barriers preventing the Indian diaspora community of Colorado
> Springs, CO from editing on Marathi, Gujarati, Hindi,Telugu, and Tamil
> Wikipedias.[10]
>
> * Motivational and educational video to introduce Wikimedia Video
> 
> :
> This project will create a modular series of instructional videos that can
> be updated and translated as needed, and that can be used to successfully
> onboard new editors en masse, for example, at edit-a-thons and other events
> where it is not possible to have the involvement of experienced
> Wikimedians.[11]
>
> * Wikitherapy :
> An 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation IEG program will fund 14 community-led projects

[Gnangarra]

would it be possible to hear some the more significant but general
reasonings behind the why the 15 get funded so that the community take
those lesson on board as well.

On 5 December 2015 at 12:01, Lila Tretikov  wrote:

> Thank you Marti, committee. And congratulation to all of the grantees.
>
> Lila
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Marti Johnson 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > In the latest round of Individual Engagement Grants
> > , 29 eligible proposals were
> > submitted for review. The committee recommended 14 for funding, with 19
> > grantees selected to receive $83,113 overall.  WMF has now approved all
> > 14 grants.  Here’s what we’re funding.[1]
> >
> > Tools - 7 projects funded
> >
> > * Batch Uploader for small GLAM projects
> > <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Batch_uploader_for_small_GLAM_projects
> >
> > :
> > This project will create a simple batch content upload tool in order to
> > address the needs of smaller GLAM institutions who may not have the
> > necessary resources, including budget, time, or staff expertise, to
> operate
> > the existing tools used by larger galleries, libraries, archives, and
> > museums.[2]
> >
> > * Pan Scandinavian Machine Assisted Content Translation
> > <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Pan-Scandinavian_Machine-assisted_Content_Translation
> >
> > :
> > Using Apertium, an open-source machine translation platform, this project
> > will create translation data for closely-related languages Swedish,
> Danish
> > and Norwegian (Bokmål and Nynorsk) for use in Content Translation, an
> > on-wiki translation tool.[3]
> >
> > * StrepHit: Wikidata Statements Validation via Reference
> > <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/StrepHit:_Wikidata_Statements_Validation_via_References
> >
> > :
> > Using natural language processing, this project will take online content
> > from a selection of (non-Wikimedia) websites and documents and then
> > automatically convert the raw text into references to external sources
> > thereby verifying the data provided in existing Wikidata statements.[4]
> >
> > * Wikimaps Warper 2.0
> > :
> > This project will focus on improvements to Map Warper, an open-source
> tool
> > used for digitally aligning and overlaying historical maps, in order to
> > make the software more accessible to Wikimedians and better integrated
> with
> > Wikimedia projects.[5]
> >
> > * Wiki Needs Pictures
> > :
> > By centralizing multiple sources of data including local templates,
> > category labels, and Wikidata item properties in one application, this
> > project will create a coordinated image request system with a
> > mobile-friendly map-based interface that allows contributors to easily
> > discover where there is demand from Wikimedia projects for specific
> > images.[6]
> >
> > * Semi-automatically generate Categories for Vietnamese Wikipedia
> > <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Semi-automatically_generate_Categories_for_Vietnamese_Wikipedia
> >
> > :
> > By implementing natural language processing patterns, this project aims
> to
> > create and apply English Wikipedia category structures to Vietnamese
> > Wikipedia with the help of the community to evaluate and standardize the
> > naming convention process.[7]
> >
> > * Proofreading semi-automatically the Catalan Wikipedia with LanguageTool
> > <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Proofreading_semiautomatically_the_Catalan_Wikipedia_with_LanguageTool
> >
> > :
> > Using the open source program LanguageTool, this project will supervise
> > the analysis of content, document common grammar errors, and develop bots
> > and scripts to replicate their corresponding edits in Catalan Wikipedia.
> > [8]
> >
> > Offline Outreach & Partnership - 5 projects funded
> >
> > * Editing Maithili Wikipedia
> > :
> > This project will deliver a series of in-person training sessions to
> > students in Nepal’s Satpari District in order to create and nurture an
> > active group of editors on Maithili-language Wikipedia.[9]
> >
> > * Increase Awareness of and Participation in Indic Language Wikipedias in
> > Colorado
> > <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Increase_Awareness_of_and_participation_in_Indic_language_Wikipedias_in_Colorado
> >
> > :
> > Small group instruction and training in native language typing in
> multiple
> > Indic scripts are the focus of this project which seeks to eliminate some
> > of the barriers preventing the Indian diaspora community of Colorado
> > Springs, CO from editing on Marathi, Gujarati, Hindi,Telugu, and Tamil
> > Wikipedias.[10]
> >
> > * Motivational and educational video to introduce Wikimedia Video
> > <
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[Ed Erhart]

+1 Marc. Both of us were volunteers for years before starting work at the
WMF, and I'm sure we both have opinions that don't line up with the WMF's
overall vision. Quoting Marc's personal thoughts as representative of the
organization as a whole is not helpful for anyone involved.

@Richard and the moderators, I'm rather not start a new thread to respond
here. Please allow responses to the currently ongoing threads and reject
any *new* (no subject) threads. Thanks.

--Ed

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Ed Erhart  wrote:

> +1 Marc. Both of us were volunteers for years before starting work at the
> WMF, and I'm sure we both have opinions that don't line up with the WMF's
> overall vision. Quoting Marc's personal thoughts as representative of the
> organization as a whole is not helpful for anyone involved.
>
> --Ed
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Marc A. Pelletier 
> wrote:
>
>> On 15-12-04 04:14 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
>> > Funny how the first response from a WMF employee was that they thought
>> > using stock images was OK.
>>
>> Please don't put words into my mouth that weren't there.  I said that I
>> didn't find it /concerning/, not that it was "OK".
>>
>> My point in that email was that commons makes it ungodly hard to find
>> what you want, not commenting on whether or not the use of stock
>> photography is desirable.
>>
>> Also, I don't work with fundraising and am not involved with the banners
>> in any way.  Even if I /had/ expressed the opinion that it was Ok to use
>> stock photography, it'd just be that - my personal opinion.
>>
>> -- Marc
>>
>>
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