Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apple Pay donations

[Amir Ladsgroup]

One rather unrelated thing: if you buy from smile.amazon.com, Amazon
donates 0.5% of your purchase to a non-profit foundations of your choice.
WMF is there and I chose it as mine. Maybe we can lobby and ask them to put
it on top of the suggestions.

Best

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:42 AM Steven Walling 
wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Today Apple announced a bunch of 501(c)3 partners which now can use Apple
> Pay to make instant donations. Announcement at:
> http://www.apple.com/newsroom/2016/11/a-touch-of-giving-with-apple-pay.html
>
> Does WMF fundraising have plans to integrate with Apple Pay, especially on
> mobile devices? I understand that right now it's limited to the US and the
> team has been focusing a ton on international payment providers (which is
> great). Given that payments on mobile are such a huge headache and
> declining desktop traffic to Wikimedia properties, it might be an
> interesting pilot to explore nonetheless.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter to the new CTO

[Sam Klein]

I really appreciate the thoughtful detail in this thread.  Thanks, Scott.

Multi-content revisions are a really good idea and the level of public
discussion seemed fitting.

> If we clean up a seldom-used corner case in the wikitext
> specification, is that still "wikitext"?  If we replace wikitext templates
> with Scribunto templates is it still "wikitext"?  If we change boldface to
> {'' ... ''} instead of triple-quotes, is that still wikitext?

Yes ...

> in addition to the "engineering should build what the community wants"
direction,
> we need to also build the "community should embrace changes arising from
WMF
> efforts to evolve the platform" direction.  The necessary balance and
interplay
> between these factors has been missing

Fair enough.


On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 5:55 PM, C. Scott Ananian 
wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
> wrote:
>
> > I have
> > explicitly asked where plans for the future of the editors and the parsr
> > unification project can be seen, and there has simply been no response.
> Do
> > those plans exist?  If so, where are they, and why are they not being
> > shared wth the community.  If not, why and how is any work proceeding,
> and
> > what process will be used to developt those plans, and in particular,
> hwow
> > will the community be involved?  These are not questions of idle
> curiosity
> > for one particular user's satisfaction, they issues requiring clear and
> > public articuation as key components of any successful future staraegy to
> > avoid the disastrous mistakes of the past.
> >
>
> In the past two years:
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_
> Summit/2017/Handling_wiki_content_beyond_plaintext
> (coming up!)
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsing
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsing/Replacing_Tidy
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsing/Replacing_Tidy/FAQ
> https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Templates_are_
> dead!_Long_live_templates
> !
> https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Mediawiki_without_
> wikitext
> https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Wikitext_is_
> broken,_long_live_wikitext_(2.0)
>
> Fifthly I note that there have been repeated assurances over time that the
> > content of the databases will continue to be wikitext, and that wikitext
> > will be directly editable, at least for the foreseeable future.  Those
> > assurances came from people who oight to know and who appeared to be
> > speaking on behalf of, and with the authority of the WMF.  The comments
> > made by Scott do not entirely support those assurances.
> >
>
> The "assurances" are not as black-and-white as you seem to think.  There
> are a number of ways to translate on-the-fly between alternative
> representations and wikitext, as well as some debate about what "wikitext"
> actually is.  If we clean up a seldom-used corner case in the wikitext
> specification, is that still "wikitext"?  If we replace wikitext templates
> with Scribunto templates is it still "wikitext"?  If we change boldface to
> {'' ... ''} instead of triple-quotes, is that still wikitext?  Etc.
> Further, see:
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Multi-Content_Revisions
>
> for broader context on the backend changes, which will make it possible to
> store multiple equivalent representations of any of our content ("legacy
> wikitext", "wikitext 2.0", "HTML", etc), and translate on-the-fly
> back-and-forth between them.  We currently do this for Flow, for example,
> where the "in database" representation is HTML, even if you are editing it
> in "wikitext".  So there are lots of ways to tweak the dials to always
> allow "wikitext editing" -- which, indeed, is under no attack.  (Our
> archives, however, are currently in quite a perilous state due to the
> currently-underspecified nature of "wikitext".)
>
> Multi-Content Revisions has been through a public RFC process:
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107595
>
> Indeed, the short answer to your question about process would be,
> "Wikimania", "Developer Summit", and "Architecture Committee" (
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_committee).  It is rare that
> any substantial project at WMF hasn't been through all three of those
> public forums, and records of each are posted for the benefit of those who
> can't attend.  (Although this year at Esino Lario the public process
> determined that the Wikimania attendees didn't actually want to have
> parsing- or wikitext-related technical discussions, and so instead I
> participated in a public hackathon for offline functionality organized by
> the Kiwix community.  I surveyed attendees however and everyone I talked to
> indicated that WMF staff was adequately represented and no one reported any
> trouble finding staff members to answer questions.)
>  --scott, [[User:cscott]]
>
> --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[Rogol Domedonfors]

Dear Dariusz

I quite understand that some members of the Board feel that there are more
important calls on their collective time and resources than engaging
directly with individual members of the community, even though some do feel
that they may be able to as individuals.  I note that you feel that it is
possible that returning to this issue next year the Board may be able to
make some improvements (and, we presume, may not).  So you propose to park
the issue and maybe do something in the future, but without any sort of
urgency or commitment.

This attitude makes perfect sense if you see engagement with individuals as
a drain on your resources, a communications overhead which can only
distract and detract from the other more important things that you need to
be doing, whatever those may be.  It makes sense if the Board regards
itself as lacking in all other resources, human and financial, to invest in
making an engagement productive.  It makes sense if the Board regards the
community as a lumpenproletariat of contributors fit only for routine work
but devoid of all strategic capacity, understanding and insight.

I think this is completely mistaken.  The community has far more resources,
far better ideas, and far more experience than the Board on its own can
possibly hope to have – if only the Board were willing and able to tap into
it.  Constructive engagement would not only pay for itself purely in terms
of avoiding the conflicts which have drained everyone's time and energy in
the past, but also enable the Board to take a more far-sighted and positive
attitude to the future direction of the mission.

The Board's failure to engage effectively with the community until now, and
lack of interest in doing so in the future, is putting the mission at
risk.  What a shame.

Yours
"Rogol"
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[Wikimedia-l] Apple Pay donations

[Steven Walling]

Hey all,

Today Apple announced a bunch of 501(c)3 partners which now can use Apple
Pay to make instant donations. Announcement at:
http://www.apple.com/newsroom/2016/11/a-touch-of-giving-with-apple-pay.html

Does WMF fundraising have plans to integrate with Apple Pay, especially on
mobile devices? I understand that right now it's limited to the US and the
team has been focusing a ton on international payment providers (which is
great). Given that payments on mobile are such a huge headache and
declining desktop traffic to Wikimedia properties, it might be an
interesting pilot to explore nonetheless.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter to the new CTO

[C. Scott Ananian]

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> I have
> explicitly asked where plans for the future of the editors and the parsr
> unification project can be seen, and there has simply been no response.  Do
> those plans exist?  If so, where are they, and why are they not being
> shared wth the community.  If not, why and how is any work proceeding, and
> what process will be used to developt those plans, and in particular, hwow
> will the community be involved?  These are not questions of idle curiosity
> for one particular user's satisfaction, they issues requiring clear and
> public articuation as key components of any successful future staraegy to
> avoid the disastrous mistakes of the past.
>

In the past two years:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit/2017/Handling_wiki_content_beyond_plaintext
(coming up!)
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsing
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsing/Replacing_Tidy
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsing/Replacing_Tidy/FAQ
https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Templates_are_dead!_Long_live_templates
!
https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Mediawiki_without_wikitext
https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Wikitext_is_broken,_long_live_wikitext_(2.0)

Fifthly I note that there have been repeated assurances over time that the
> content of the databases will continue to be wikitext, and that wikitext
> will be directly editable, at least for the foreseeable future.  Those
> assurances came from people who oight to know and who appeared to be
> speaking on behalf of, and with the authority of the WMF.  The comments
> made by Scott do not entirely support those assurances.
>

The "assurances" are not as black-and-white as you seem to think.  There
are a number of ways to translate on-the-fly between alternative
representations and wikitext, as well as some debate about what "wikitext"
actually is.  If we clean up a seldom-used corner case in the wikitext
specification, is that still "wikitext"?  If we replace wikitext templates
with Scribunto templates is it still "wikitext"?  If we change boldface to
{'' ... ''} instead of triple-quotes, is that still wikitext?  Etc.
Further, see:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Multi-Content_Revisions

for broader context on the backend changes, which will make it possible to
store multiple equivalent representations of any of our content ("legacy
wikitext", "wikitext 2.0", "HTML", etc), and translate on-the-fly
back-and-forth between them.  We currently do this for Flow, for example,
where the "in database" representation is HTML, even if you are editing it
in "wikitext".  So there are lots of ways to tweak the dials to always
allow "wikitext editing" -- which, indeed, is under no attack.  (Our
archives, however, are currently in quite a perilous state due to the
currently-underspecified nature of "wikitext".)

Multi-Content Revisions has been through a public RFC process:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107595

Indeed, the short answer to your question about process would be,
"Wikimania", "Developer Summit", and "Architecture Committee" (
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Architecture_committee).  It is rare that
any substantial project at WMF hasn't been through all three of those
public forums, and records of each are posted for the benefit of those who
can't attend.  (Although this year at Esino Lario the public process
determined that the Wikimania attendees didn't actually want to have
parsing- or wikitext-related technical discussions, and so instead I
participated in a public hackathon for offline functionality organized by
the Kiwix community.  I surveyed attendees however and everyone I talked to
indicated that WMF staff was adequately represented and no one reported any
trouble finding staff members to answer questions.)
 --scott, [[User:cscott]]

-- 
(http://cscott.net)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[Pete Forsyth]

On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> Jimmy Wales wrote: "it is possible and welcomed to bring forward issues to
> board members at any time".


To Jimmy and the board:

This statement is, frankly, very much belied by the facts.

In 2014, I delivered a letter signed by *one thousand people* to every
member of the board. And yet, the existence of that letter has never been
formally acknowledged, much less have its requests been formally addressed.

One thousand people.

As long as that communication goes unacknowledged, many of us will have
little faith in assurances that communication to board members is a viable,
productive pursuit.

-Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Signing out with my official hat!

[Katherine Maher]

Thank you Subha for all your service! We look forward to seeing you around
on wiki, and at the intersection of the open web and free knowledge.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Jorge Vargas 
wrote:

> Best of lucks in your new role with Mozilla, Subha! It's been a pleasure
> meeting you.
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:05 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > It was good to work with you. You were part of a wonderful move towards
> > more Wikimedia projects in India. It was a pleasure to see you in action
> > and work with you.
> > Thank you
> >
> > Gerard
> >
> > On 10 November 2016 at 22:06, Subhashish Panigrahi <
> > subhash...@cis-india.org
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > >
> > > TL; DR
> > >
> > > After almost five years of professional engagement with the South Asian
> > > language Wikimedia communities, I have decided to step down from my
> > current
> > > role. And I will remain a Wikipedian friend of yours who you can reach
> > out
> > > in volunteer capacity on my talk page.
> > >
> > > ——
> > >
> > > I was about to complete my first wiki-versary when I joined the
> Wikimedia
> > > Foundation’s India Program as a Consultant for Community and Program
> > > Support. The program ran until August of 2012 and then got housed at
> the
> > > Centre for Internet Society’s Access to Knowledge program (CIS-A2K)
> [0].
> > > Thanks to Sunil, Pranesh, Nirmita, Nishant and many others at the CIS
> > > family who embraced my team from India Program with great amount of
> > trust.
> > > CIS became more like a family for me all these years. It will always
> > remain
> > > my other home and alma mater - calling CIS a former employer will be
> > quite
> > > an understatement. I feel I grew as a person along with the
> organization
> > > that is today a noted name for its research in openness, accessibility,
> > > privacy, IP reform, access to knowledge, and digital humanity.
> > >
> > > Over these years I have had the most memorable time in my personal and
> > > professional life. I have traveled a lot in the country and across the
> > > world, met many friends in the Wikimedia and the open knowledge
> > community,
> > > and had the privilege of working on many important projects both
> locally
> > > and globally. The South Asian language Wikimedia communities that I
> have
> > > worked with have not just been patient and understanding, but have been
> > my
> > > mentor in many ways. I thank you all wholeheartedly for being such
> great
> > > friends and guides. And I hope that I have added some value to your
> > > community, project and the larger Wikimedia movement.
> > >
> > > This was an incredible journey and I feel really honored to see as many
> > as
> > > three new Wikimedia projects taking birth where I had a chance to
> > > contribute. Many of you have shared your stories in an interview series
> > > WikipediansSpeak [1] that I started during my time at CIS, and I felt
> so
> > > touched and connected to many people that spoke languages that I never
> > even
> > > understood. I want to thank many Wikimedians both from the Indian and
> the
> > > global Wikimedia community that participated in @WeAreWikipedia [2], a
> > > rotation curation project on Twitter that I started as a voluntary
> > project.
> > > The good news is @WeAreWikipedia has always been and will be a
> > > volunteer-led project even after I leave my professional role at CIS.
> > >
> > > In the last few days of my work at CIS, my biggest worry was if I will
> be
> > > able to give much time to wrap up Project Ol Chiki [3], a project to
> > create
> > > typeface family and input tools for the Ol Chiki script (used to write
> > the
> > > Santali language) that I was leading. I would like to personally thank
> to
> > > colleagues T.Vishnuvardhan (former Programme Director of CIS-A2K) for
> his
> > > guidance, Pooja Saxena for designing the typeface and several other
> > > peripherals, Prof. Damayanti Besra and other friends of the
> > > Santali-language community who have reviewed the typeface, and
> > Wikimedians
> > > Jnanaranjan Sahu and Nasim Ali who have created the input tools. A few
> > > years of my childhood was spent in a place where 30% of people spoke
> this
> > > aboriginal language Santali, and I cannot share how nostalgic it felt
> > when
> > > the opportunity came to lead this project.
> > >
> > > Once again, thanks you all the friends in the Wikimedia community, and
> > the
> > > larger openness movement for your kind support over all these years. In
> > the
> > > long road, this was a great milestone but there are many more to come.
> I
> > > hope to continue working with you in my volunteer capacity, and/or may
> be
> > > in my new role.
> > >
> > > Where I am heading next?
> > > Some of you might know this already. I am super excited that the next
> > > milestone is going to be another open source community as I am joining
> > > Mozilla’s Participation team as South A

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[Pine W]

Hi Dariuz, I like how you're thinking. Perhaps the Board could make public
use of Phabricator to triage and track issues.

Rogol, I share some of the frustration about communication problems.
However, I'd also like to note that Dariuz, Christophe, and Natalia have
been responsive to discussions here on WIkimedia-l, and that the general
tone of WMF has become notably more cooperative with the community during
the past several months. There is still much work to do, but much progress
has been made. In the big picture I feel that WMF is heading in a good
direction, and I'm grateful to the people who are working to make that
happen.

Pine


On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak 
wrote:

> Dear Rogol,
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
> wrote:
>
> > Jimmy Wales wrote: "it is possible and welcomed to bring forward issues
> to
> > board members at any time".
> >
> > It would be most helpful to know where and how the Board in general would
> > welcome such issues being raised and how much resource they will have to
> > sustain those discussions.
>
>
>
> I think it is fair to say that we lack good, efficient and scalable
> communication channels. We have discussed additional ones, commitment
> tracking possibilities, etc. at Wikimania with the communication staff
> (who, by the way, are extremely professional and skilled), and it is my
> understanding that while it is impossible to make rapid improvements, we
> can come back to this conversation in 2017 and possibly make some
> improvements.
>
> I personally would love e.g. to see a system of Board members cmmitments
> tracking (useful for the Board, just as much as for communal control), or a
> system in which the community could upvote/downvote partiular ideas to
> discuss (like in a community's wishlist).
>
> Until we have better tech available, I want to assure you that I want to be
> available, and apart from Meta, I gladly offer IRC or video conversations,
> or other media, to whoever feels it may be useful (let's track this
> committment of mine in the old-fashioned way for now).
>
> best,
>
> dariusz "pundit"
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Signing out with my official hat!

[Jorge Vargas]

Best of lucks in your new role with Mozilla, Subha! It's been a pleasure
meeting you.

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 11:05 PM, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:

> Hoi,
> It was good to work with you. You were part of a wonderful move towards
> more Wikimedia projects in India. It was a pleasure to see you in action
> and work with you.
> Thank you
>
> Gerard
>
> On 10 November 2016 at 22:06, Subhashish Panigrahi <
> subhash...@cis-india.org
> > wrote:
>
> > 
> >
> > Friends,
> >
> > TL; DR
> >
> > After almost five years of professional engagement with the South Asian
> > language Wikimedia communities, I have decided to step down from my
> current
> > role. And I will remain a Wikipedian friend of yours who you can reach
> out
> > in volunteer capacity on my talk page.
> >
> > ——
> >
> > I was about to complete my first wiki-versary when I joined the Wikimedia
> > Foundation’s India Program as a Consultant for Community and Program
> > Support. The program ran until August of 2012 and then got housed at the
> > Centre for Internet Society’s Access to Knowledge program (CIS-A2K) [0].
> > Thanks to Sunil, Pranesh, Nirmita, Nishant and many others at the CIS
> > family who embraced my team from India Program with great amount of
> trust.
> > CIS became more like a family for me all these years. It will always
> remain
> > my other home and alma mater - calling CIS a former employer will be
> quite
> > an understatement. I feel I grew as a person along with the organization
> > that is today a noted name for its research in openness, accessibility,
> > privacy, IP reform, access to knowledge, and digital humanity.
> >
> > Over these years I have had the most memorable time in my personal and
> > professional life. I have traveled a lot in the country and across the
> > world, met many friends in the Wikimedia and the open knowledge
> community,
> > and had the privilege of working on many important projects both locally
> > and globally. The South Asian language Wikimedia communities that I have
> > worked with have not just been patient and understanding, but have been
> my
> > mentor in many ways. I thank you all wholeheartedly for being such great
> > friends and guides. And I hope that I have added some value to your
> > community, project and the larger Wikimedia movement.
> >
> > This was an incredible journey and I feel really honored to see as many
> as
> > three new Wikimedia projects taking birth where I had a chance to
> > contribute. Many of you have shared your stories in an interview series
> > WikipediansSpeak [1] that I started during my time at CIS, and I felt so
> > touched and connected to many people that spoke languages that I never
> even
> > understood. I want to thank many Wikimedians both from the Indian and the
> > global Wikimedia community that participated in @WeAreWikipedia [2], a
> > rotation curation project on Twitter that I started as a voluntary
> project.
> > The good news is @WeAreWikipedia has always been and will be a
> > volunteer-led project even after I leave my professional role at CIS.
> >
> > In the last few days of my work at CIS, my biggest worry was if I will be
> > able to give much time to wrap up Project Ol Chiki [3], a project to
> create
> > typeface family and input tools for the Ol Chiki script (used to write
> the
> > Santali language) that I was leading. I would like to personally thank to
> > colleagues T.Vishnuvardhan (former Programme Director of CIS-A2K) for his
> > guidance, Pooja Saxena for designing the typeface and several other
> > peripherals, Prof. Damayanti Besra and other friends of the
> > Santali-language community who have reviewed the typeface, and
> Wikimedians
> > Jnanaranjan Sahu and Nasim Ali who have created the input tools. A few
> > years of my childhood was spent in a place where 30% of people spoke this
> > aboriginal language Santali, and I cannot share how nostalgic it felt
> when
> > the opportunity came to lead this project.
> >
> > Once again, thanks you all the friends in the Wikimedia community, and
> the
> > larger openness movement for your kind support over all these years. In
> the
> > long road, this was a great milestone but there are many more to come. I
> > hope to continue working with you in my volunteer capacity, and/or may be
> > in my new role.
> >
> > Where I am heading next?
> > Some of you might know this already. I am super excited that the next
> > milestone is going to be another open source community as I am joining
> > Mozilla’s Participation team as South Asia Community Catalyzer [4]. I am
> > super excited for it. And I will keep seeing you all amazing people on
> the
> > Wikimedia projects like before.
> >
> > Do feel free to get in touch with me in my talk page at User:Psubhashish,
> > or over email at psubhashish (at) gmail (dot) com, or at @subhapa on both
> > Twitter and Telegram.
> >
> > 0. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CIS-A2K
> > 1. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikipediansSpeak
> > 2. https://twit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Agenda for the November 13, 2016 Board Meeting

[Dariusz Jemielniak]

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Chris Keating 
wrote:

> Since the board meeting has just happened, is now the right time to
> mention minutes? :)
>
> In the past the idea's been floated that something could be published
> shortly after the meeting - be it draft minutes, or informal notes, or some
> of the presentations. It would be really helpful to see anything along
> those lines that can be shared in the next couple of days.
>
>
>
Board mebers are still on their way home, so give us some time :) After the
last meeting, the minutes were made available under 2 weeks after the
meeting, and this time they may be even quicker, but it requires all Board
members to approve them, which is the biggest bottleneck (I do committ to
trying harder, and will poke my fellows, if they fall behind).

best,

dj
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

[Dariusz Jemielniak]

Dear Rogol,


On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> Jimmy Wales wrote: "it is possible and welcomed to bring forward issues to
> board members at any time".
>
> It would be most helpful to know where and how the Board in general would
> welcome such issues being raised and how much resource they will have to
> sustain those discussions.



I think it is fair to say that we lack good, efficient and scalable
communication channels. We have discussed additional ones, commitment
tracking possibilities, etc. at Wikimania with the communication staff
(who, by the way, are extremely professional and skilled), and it is my
understanding that while it is impossible to make rapid improvements, we
can come back to this conversation in 2017 and possibly make some
improvements.

I personally would love e.g. to see a system of Board members cmmitments
tracking (useful for the Board, just as much as for communal control), or a
system in which the community could upvote/downvote partiular ideas to
discuss (like in a community's wishlist).

Until we have better tech available, I want to assure you that I want to be
available, and apart from Meta, I gladly offer IRC or video conversations,
or other media, to whoever feels it may be useful (let's track this
committment of mine in the old-fashioned way for now).

best,

dariusz "pundit"
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Agenda for the November 13, 2016 Board Meeting

[Chris Keating]

Since the board meeting has just happened, is now the right time to mention
minutes? :)

In the past the idea's been floated that something could be published
shortly after the meeting - be it draft minutes, or informal notes, or some
of the presentations. It would be really helpful to see anything along
those lines that can be shared in the next couple of days.

Chris

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak 
wrote:

> I personally would not mind publishing draft agendas, if there was a common
> understanding, that they are not final.
>
> best,
>
> dj
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 2:21 AM, Rogol Domedonfors 
> wrote:
>
> > Christophe,
> >
> > Thank you for explaining that there were two meetings involved.
> >
> > I welcome the assurance that the agenda will be published earlier in
> > future.
> >
> > "Rogol"
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> Pacific Standard:
> http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
> Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
> The Wikipedian:
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Agenda for the November 13, 2016 Board Meeting

[Dariusz Jemielniak]

I personally would not mind publishing draft agendas, if there was a common
understanding, that they are not final.

best,

dj

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 2:21 AM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> Christophe,
>
> Thank you for explaining that there were two meetings involved.
>
> I welcome the assurance that the agenda will be published earlier in
> future.
>
> "Rogol"
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kierownik katedry Zarządzania Międzynarodowego
i grupy badawczej NeRDS
Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
http://n wrds.kozminski.edu.pl

członek Akademii Młodych Uczonych Polskiej Akademii Nauk

Wyszła pierwsza na świecie etnografia Wikipedii "Common Knowledge? An
Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) mojego
autorstwa http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=24010

Recenzje
Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
Pacific Standard:
http://www.psmag.com/navigation/books-and-culture/killed-wikipedia-93777/
Motherboard: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-ethnography-of-wikipedia
The Wikipedian:
http://thewikipedian.net/2014/10/10/dariusz-jemielniak-common-knowledge
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How should security of Wikimedia accounts be better?

[Fæ]

Task: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T150646 - A Wikimedia hosted
two-factor authentication app

I agree there are issues, and the help files would need a lot more
work before a wider roll-out. The current advice[1] is too open ended
and many users randomly searching for two-factor authentication apps
(or browser plug-ins) will end up using Google's, or a supplier with
no track record, or even some other app with commercial adverts.

Open source solutions are around, like Authy[2] (which is what I'm
using). There is nothing to stop the WMF from hosting a build using
current open source code, and even making it available on Google Play,
with the options of customizing it in useful ways later on. For these
reasons I've kicked of the task above for the WMF to consider hosting
an app.

Links:
1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Two-factor_authentication
2. https://github.com/authy

On 14 November 2016 at 08:05, Gnangarra  wrote:
> I see this as not solving problems but creating barriers to participation
>
>- one is the complexity of the process
>https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Two-factor_authentication the more
>complicated the systems the more opportunity for failures, more points of
>access where data can be compromised, and the flip side the easier it is
>for people to be locked out,
>- its using 3rd party, no matter how good the system of the third party
>why should I be using anything other than the WMF system to login, my
>connection is with the WMF. Who is responsible if the connection is
>compromised or my data misused by the third party regardless of which third
>party used they need to know your user details to complete the loop in the
>authentication .
>- an authentication app is just inviting people to attempt to compromise
>the account as you have already given them part of the process should you
>lose your device
>
> What I see could be a technical benefit has a dark side that is enabling
> additional parties to monitor our activities even compromise them.  I think
> that "security" card is being played poorly here as anonymity in editing is
> something we have always respected the 3rd party participation in
> authentication appears to be stripping that away.  Google and like minded
> commercial companies only provide these free tools to gather data for their
> own internal uses to enable them to better target the advertising that they
> sell.
>
> On 14 November 2016 at 08:10, Craig Franklin 
> wrote:
>
>> This is really excellent.  Thankyou!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Craig
>>
>> On 13 November 2016 at 01:46, Steinsplitter Wiki <
>> steinsplit...@wikipedia.de
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_
>> > noticeboard#Two-Factor_Authentication_now_available_for_admins
>> >
>> > 
>> > Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag
>> von
>> > Amir Ladsgroup 
>> > Gesendet: Samstag, 12. November 2016 15:37
>> > An: Wikimedia Mailing List
>> > Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How should security of Wikimedia accounts be
>> > better?
>> >
>> > Emphasizing on this part of my message: "'Google Authenticator' *or
>> similar
>> > ones.*"
>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 6:04 PM Vi to  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Actually I consider to be sensitive the google account linked to my
>> > mobile
>> > > phone :|
>> > >
>> > > also lots of people might have no compatible devices.
>> > >
>> > > Vito
>> > >
>> > > 2016-11-12 15:30 GMT+01:00 Amir Ladsgroup :
>> > >
>> > > > There is no need to store phone number at all.
>> > > > You need to install an app called "Google Authenticator" or similar
>> > ones.
>> > > > Then you scan a QR code from a special page in Wikipedia. Then every
>> > time
>> > > > you want to login, you need to give username, password and a
>> > short-lived
>> > > > token the app gives you. See this for more details:
>> > > >
>> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/labs-announce/2016-
>> > March/000104.html
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 5:38 PM Fæ  wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Good point Vito,
>> > > >
>> > > > I agree that mobile numbers are personal information. However, my
>> > > > understanding of the two-factor process would be that it can set up
>> so
>> > > > that mobile numbers are *guaranteed* to never be logged or archived
>> > > > and only stored in a constrained way for a verification number to be
>> > > > issued. There are various ways of getting two-factor processes to
>> > > > work, so methods that do not rely on mobile numbers may suit
>> > > > volunteers that are worried about sending their mobile phone number
>> to
>> > > > any server in the USA, where there are always questions about secret
>> > > > access and storage for government agencies.
>> > > >
>> > > > We can require that guarantees are given and transparently assured
>> for
>> > > > how any personal information like this is handled by WMF implemented
>> > > > software. It could even be an are