Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

[James Heilman]

This is an excellent point. Yes Amazon should definitely state that what
they are reading is from Wikipedia.

James

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> Barbara Page, a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar and Wikipedian in Residence at
> the University of Pittsburgh, has written a blog post[1] for Wikipediocracy
> about how the Amazon Echo's Alexa assistant reads out Wikipedia articles in
> response to queries. This includes queries that do not specifically ask for
> Wikipedia information.
>
> What's the deal with the CC licence here?
>
> To quote from the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported
> Licence identified at the bottom of each English Wikipedia page,
>
>
> If You Distribute, or Publicly Perform the Work or any Adaptations or
> Collections, *You must,* unless a request has been made pursuant to Section
> 4(a), *keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and provide,
> reasonable to the medium or means You are utilizing: (i) the name of the
> Original Author (or pseudonym, if applicable) if supplied, and/or if the
> Original Author and/or Licensor designate another party or parties (e.g., a
> sponsor institute, publishing entity, journal) for attribution
> ("Attribution Parties") in Licensor's copyright notice, terms of service or
> by other reasonable means, the name of such party or parties; (ii) the
> title of the Work if supplied; (iii) to the extent reasonably practicable,
> the URI, if any, that Licensor specifies to be associated with the Work,
> unless such URI does not refer to the copyright notice or licensing
> information for the Work*; and (iv) , consistent with Section 3(b), in the
> case of an Adaptation, a credit identifying the use of the Work in the
> Adaptation (e.g., "French translation of the Work by Original Author," or
> "Screenplay based on original Work by Original Author").
>
>
> Some similar services preface their Wikipedia readings with "According to
> Wikipedia, ..." This is at least a minimum amount of attribution. While I
> am not a legal expert, I guess it could be construed as an attempt to
> comply with the "reasonable to the medium or means" passage above. It also
> tells the user where the information comes from, which is useful from the
> standpoint of transparency.
>
> But the Amazon Echo appears to include no attribution whatsoever when
> providing Wikipedia-based answers. On the face of it, this would seem to
> violate the terms of the Creative Commons licence (as well as obscuring the
> origin of the information provided). Am I missing something?
>
> Has this ever been the subject of discussions, agreements or understandings
> between Amazon and WMF?
>
> Best,
> Andreas
>
> [1] http://wikipediocracy.com/2017/07/24/alexa/
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[Wikimedia-l] Amazon Echo' use of Wikipedia; CC license compliance?

[Andreas Kolbe]

Barbara Page, a Wikipedia Visiting Scholar and Wikipedian in Residence at
the University of Pittsburgh, has written a blog post[1] for Wikipediocracy
about how the Amazon Echo's Alexa assistant reads out Wikipedia articles in
response to queries. This includes queries that do not specifically ask for
Wikipedia information.

What's the deal with the CC licence here?

To quote from the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported
Licence identified at the bottom of each English Wikipedia page,


If You Distribute, or Publicly Perform the Work or any Adaptations or
Collections, *You must,* unless a request has been made pursuant to Section
4(a), *keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and provide,
reasonable to the medium or means You are utilizing: (i) the name of the
Original Author (or pseudonym, if applicable) if supplied, and/or if the
Original Author and/or Licensor designate another party or parties (e.g., a
sponsor institute, publishing entity, journal) for attribution
("Attribution Parties") in Licensor's copyright notice, terms of service or
by other reasonable means, the name of such party or parties; (ii) the
title of the Work if supplied; (iii) to the extent reasonably practicable,
the URI, if any, that Licensor specifies to be associated with the Work,
unless such URI does not refer to the copyright notice or licensing
information for the Work*; and (iv) , consistent with Section 3(b), in the
case of an Adaptation, a credit identifying the use of the Work in the
Adaptation (e.g., "French translation of the Work by Original Author," or
"Screenplay based on original Work by Original Author").


Some similar services preface their Wikipedia readings with "According to
Wikipedia, ..." This is at least a minimum amount of attribution. While I
am not a legal expert, I guess it could be construed as an attempt to
comply with the "reasonable to the medium or means" passage above. It also
tells the user where the information comes from, which is useful from the
standpoint of transparency.

But the Amazon Echo appears to include no attribution whatsoever when
providing Wikipedia-based answers. On the face of it, this would seem to
violate the terms of the Creative Commons licence (as well as obscuring the
origin of the information provided). Am I missing something?

Has this ever been the subject of discussions, agreements or understandings
between Amazon and WMF?

Best,
Andreas

[1] http://wikipediocracy.com/2017/07/24/alexa/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

[Pine W]

Hi Rogol,

Thanks for the comments. I'm uninterested in running for the WMF board; I
have plenty of unpaid responsibilities already and I'm trying to have fewer
of them rather than more.

The thought has crossed my mind that maybe I should be having this
conversation with the Board rather than the staff. However, as you have
noted, the Board are often not particularly responsive, and in either case
I think it should be very possible for the staff to respond to the
questions that I asked with a few minutes of their time. It appears that
staff is choosing not to cooperate, which is disappointing, so I do have
the topic of financial transparency in general -- and the strategy budget
in particular -- in mind as topics that I will likely ask Christophe to
address, perhaps next week.

Pine


On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> Pine
>
> It is for the Board members, collectively and individually, to oversee the
> management and affairs of the Foundation.  You should ask them as Trustees
> to comment.  I myself have had little success in that direction, but
> perhaps you will do better.  However, the staff of the Foundation are
> answerable only to the Board, and the Board members as Trustees are
> answerable only to themselves.  If you are unable to obtain the assurances
> you need, then your only recourse is to put your name forward for
> nomination to the Board yourself.
>
> Good luck!
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Hi WMF folks,
> > I'm still waiting. The issue of financial transparency isn't going away,
> > and the silence here is getting to be a point of concern.
> > Pine
> >  Original message From: Pine W 
> > Date: 7/14/17  11:31 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Wikimedia Mailing List <
> > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates]
> > June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)
> > Hi WMF folks,
> >
> > I'm still waiting for a reply to this question.
> >
> > Pine
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 11:14 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> > Having had time to reflect further on this matter, I'm having difficulty
> > with writing a comprehensive reply in a civil tone.
> >
> > Rather than try to address multiple topics at once, I'd like to start by
> > following up on a single topic. I'm hoping that this
> > will help to keep the conversation focused and civil.
> >
> > > Regarding costs, as has been previously stated by the Foundation and
> > Board, the Board approved a spending resolution
> > > last year for expenses related to the movement strategy of up to $2.5
> > million over Fiscal Year 2016-17 (July 2016 - June
> > > 2017) and Fiscal Year 2017-18 (July 2017 - June 2018).
> >
> > Thanks for providing the project budget number, which is a good place to
> > start. How much is the timeline extension projected
> > to cost, and from what source are the funds being drawn? I imagine that
> an
> > analysis of the cost of the extension was done
> > before the extension was authorized, and that a funding source was
> > identified. I hope that WMF can provide that information
> > and that only a few minutes of staff time will be necessary to publish
> it.
> >
> > I'm hoping that we can address this topic first, and then move on to
> other
> > issues that have come up.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Pine
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> > I have stayed away from this thread for awhile with the hope that I can
> > approach it in a businesslike tone. I want to acknowledge those who have
> > posted previously. I have drafted a response to the email that Greg sent,
> > and out of respect for the holiday for US staff I'll wait until Wednesday
> > to send that response. This matter is important, but I don't want WMF
> staff
> > to feel like they need to think about this or respond to it during a
> > holiday weekend. There will be time enough for more discussion after the
> > holiday. I'm not trying to close off discussion, but I thought that I
> > should explain why I'm planning to wait a few days before responding to
> > staff.
> >
> > Pine
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki-research-l] Research Showcase Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 11:30 AM (PST) 18:30 UTC

[Pine W]

For what it's worth, I noted that when I tended the State of the Map USA
conference last year, there seemed to be a *higher* representation of women
in the conference than there were at the WikiConference USA events that
I've attended. I was surprised to hear the presenter say that OSM has 95%+
male participation, and I'd like to know the origin of that number. I was
so impressed by the relatively high percentage of female participants at
State of the Map USA that I had a conversation with one of the organizers
about how OSM seemed to be much more successful than Wikimedia at engaging
female contributors. Perhaps there are at least some places in which OSM
has relatively good gender diversity.

Pine


On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On 25 July 2017 at 19:38, Sarah R  wrote:
>
> > Freedom versus Standardization: Structured Data Generation in a Peer
> > Production CommunityBy *Andrew Hall*
>
> There's some discussion of the talk , on the UK OSM mailing list:
>
>https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2017-July/020401.html
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Research Showcase Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 11:30 AM (PST) 18:30 UTC

[Andy Mabbett]

On 25 July 2017 at 19:38, Sarah R  wrote:

> Freedom versus Standardization: Structured Data Generation in a Peer
> Production CommunityBy *Andrew Hall*

There's some discussion of the talk , on the UK OSM mailing list:

   https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2017-July/020401.html

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

[Yaroslav Blanter]

Yes, I figured this out, thanks. Now copyediting.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Natacha Rault  wrote:

> probably me...
> > Le 26 juil. 2017 à 17:49, Yaroslav Blanter  a écrit :
> >
> > Actually, after Catherine's mail, an English article was started by
> someone
> > I can not recognize from the username.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau
> >
> > Cheers
> > Yaroslav
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Katherine Maher 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Édouard and our other colleagues at Wikimédia France,
> >>
> >> We are sorry to hear about the passing of Mrs. Louise Merzeau. While I
> did
> >> not have a chance to meet her, I understand she was an advocate for the
> >> Commons movement and a leading academic on digital identities and the
> >> relationship between technology and culture. I suspect we would have
> gotten
> >> along well.
> >>
> >> Although she did not get to share her knowledge longer, we are grateful
> for
> >> the contributions she made. I have no doubt Wikimedia would have
> benefited
> >> greatly from her continued advocacy.
> >>
> >> I recognize with everything that is going on, an event like this can
> >> quickly pass by without enough notice and tribute from all of us.
> However,
> >> I hope we can pause to recognize that, above all, we are people who have
> >> come together under a shared vision for a better future. The passion and
> >> bond that unites us are much stronger than any disagreements or
> challenges.
> >> Louise was a part of that vision, and we owe it to her to recognize her
> >> passing.
> >>
> >> On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, please know that she is in our
> >> thoughts and that the community has our condolences.
> >>
> >> Katherine
> >>
> >> PS. I encourage you to learn more about Mrs. Merzeau and her life from
> her
> >> article on French Wikipedia:  https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Louise_Merzeau
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

[Natacha Rault]

probably me...
> Le 26 juil. 2017 à 17:49, Yaroslav Blanter  a écrit :
> 
> Actually, after Catherine's mail, an English article was started by someone
> I can not recognize from the username.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau
> 
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
> 
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Katherine Maher 
> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Édouard and our other colleagues at Wikimédia France,
>> 
>> We are sorry to hear about the passing of Mrs. Louise Merzeau. While I did
>> not have a chance to meet her, I understand she was an advocate for the
>> Commons movement and a leading academic on digital identities and the
>> relationship between technology and culture. I suspect we would have gotten
>> along well.
>> 
>> Although she did not get to share her knowledge longer, we are grateful for
>> the contributions she made. I have no doubt Wikimedia would have benefited
>> greatly from her continued advocacy.
>> 
>> I recognize with everything that is going on, an event like this can
>> quickly pass by without enough notice and tribute from all of us. However,
>> I hope we can pause to recognize that, above all, we are people who have
>> come together under a shared vision for a better future. The passion and
>> bond that unites us are much stronger than any disagreements or challenges.
>> Louise was a part of that vision, and we owe it to her to recognize her
>> passing.
>> 
>> On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, please know that she is in our
>> thoughts and that the community has our condolences.
>> 
>> Katherine
>> 
>> PS. I encourage you to learn more about Mrs. Merzeau and her life from her
>> article on French Wikipedia:  https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

[Natacha Rault]

Hi there, being in the train from Geneva to Paris I started to translate the 
page on Louise Merzeau in English. 

Unfortunately I am going down now, and I am not finished… But it is available 
here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau 


I have discovered the translation tool is deactivated in english, so in fact I 
had to translate twice. What a shame the system allows you to proceed in the 
first place…

Kind regards, 

Natacha 
> Le 26 juil. 2017 à 14:38, Katherine Maher  a écrit :
> 
> Dear Édouard and our other colleagues at Wikimédia France,o 
> 
> We are sorry to hear about the passing of Mrs. Louise Merzeau. While I did
> not have a chance to meet her, I understand she was an advocate for the
> Commons movement and a leading academic on digital identities and the
> relationship between technology and culture. I suspect we would have gotten
> along well.
> 
> Although she did not get to share her knowledge longer, we are grateful for
> the contributions she made. I have no doubt Wikimedia would have benefited
> greatly from her continued advocacy.
> 
> I recognize with everything that is going on, an event like this can
> quickly pass by without enough notice and tribute from all of us. However,
> I hope we can pause to recognize that, above all, we are people who have
> come together under a shared vision for a better future. The passion and
> bond that unites us are much stronger than any disagreements or challenges.
> Louise was a part of that vision, and we owe it to her to recognize her
> passing.
> 
> On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, please know that she is in our
> thoughts and that the community has our condolences.
> 
> Katherine
> 
> PS. I encourage you to learn more about Mrs. Merzeau and her life from her
> article on French Wikipedia:  https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

[Yaroslav Blanter]

Actually, after Catherine's mail, an English article was started by someone
I can not recognize from the username.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Katherine Maher 
wrote:

> Dear Édouard and our other colleagues at Wikimédia France,
>
> We are sorry to hear about the passing of Mrs. Louise Merzeau. While I did
> not have a chance to meet her, I understand she was an advocate for the
> Commons movement and a leading academic on digital identities and the
> relationship between technology and culture. I suspect we would have gotten
> along well.
>
> Although she did not get to share her knowledge longer, we are grateful for
> the contributions she made. I have no doubt Wikimedia would have benefited
> greatly from her continued advocacy.
>
> I recognize with everything that is going on, an event like this can
> quickly pass by without enough notice and tribute from all of us. However,
> I hope we can pause to recognize that, above all, we are people who have
> come together under a shared vision for a better future. The passion and
> bond that unites us are much stronger than any disagreements or challenges.
> Louise was a part of that vision, and we owe it to her to recognize her
> passing.
>
> On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, please know that she is in our
> thoughts and that the community has our condolences.
>
> Katherine
>
> PS. I encourage you to learn more about Mrs. Merzeau and her life from her
> article on French Wikipedia:  https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

[Katherine Maher]

Dear Édouard and our other colleagues at Wikimédia France,

We are sorry to hear about the passing of Mrs. Louise Merzeau. While I did
not have a chance to meet her, I understand she was an advocate for the
Commons movement and a leading academic on digital identities and the
relationship between technology and culture. I suspect we would have gotten
along well.

Although she did not get to share her knowledge longer, we are grateful for
the contributions she made. I have no doubt Wikimedia would have benefited
greatly from her continued advocacy.

I recognize with everything that is going on, an event like this can
quickly pass by without enough notice and tribute from all of us. However,
I hope we can pause to recognize that, above all, we are people who have
come together under a shared vision for a better future. The passion and
bond that unites us are much stronger than any disagreements or challenges.
Louise was a part of that vision, and we owe it to her to recognize her
passing.

On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, please know that she is in our
thoughts and that the community has our condolences.

Katherine

PS. I encourage you to learn more about Mrs. Merzeau and her life from her
article on French Wikipedia:  https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau
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