Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia content for in-flight entertainment?

2017-07-30 Thread Daren Welsh 
Why stop at read-only content? Why not take advantage of people trapped in
a can for their flight time? You could solicit contributions from people,
most of whom probably have never contributed to Wikipedia before. You could
even gamify it based on competition between those on the same flight, one
flight against another, etc.

The technical difficulty here would be to support a system allowing
revisions from multiple sources with local clones of Wikipedia,
asynchronously, into the "source" Wikipedia. But it would be worth it.

Daren


On Jul 30, 2017 19:01, "James Heilman"  wrote:

Amazing idea. I guess one could email them and offer this. Would not add
weight on their end as it is simple digital. The entertainment system would
be completely separate from the flight systems so would not have
significant certification issues.

James

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Lodewijk 
wrote:

> I know that KLM included some cuts from Wikipedia articles in their
> onflight system to explain sights from at least San Francisco. Not sure
> whether they made it scale, probably not.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 12:13 AM, Pierre-Selim 
> wrote:
>
> > Certification process for the hardware of kiwix might be a tremendous
> pain
> > in the ass.
> >
> > And second point the airline will need a business case to cary more
> weight
> > (count about 3.5% of the weight as extra fuel burn per hour).
> >
> > That said I'd love to use Wikipedia on an IFE.
> >
> > Le 31 juil. 2017 00:02, "Daniel Mietchen"  com>
> > a écrit :
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no
> > > Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally
> > > offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight
> > > stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a
> > > long flight yesterday, here we go:
> > > Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get
> > > Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?
> > >
> > > Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of
> > > anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix
> > > team looked into this?
> > >
> > > Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee -
> > > has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such
> > > "providers"?
> > >
> > > Thanks and cheers,
> > >
> > > Daniel
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia content for in-flight entertainment?

2017-07-30 Thread James Heilman 
Amazing idea. I guess one could email them and offer this. Would not add
weight on their end as it is simple digital. The entertainment system would
be completely separate from the flight systems so would not have
significant certification issues.

James

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Lodewijk 
wrote:

> I know that KLM included some cuts from Wikipedia articles in their
> onflight system to explain sights from at least San Francisco. Not sure
> whether they made it scale, probably not.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 12:13 AM, Pierre-Selim 
> wrote:
>
> > Certification process for the hardware of kiwix might be a tremendous
> pain
> > in the ass.
> >
> > And second point the airline will need a business case to cary more
> weight
> > (count about 3.5% of the weight as extra fuel burn per hour).
> >
> > That said I'd love to use Wikipedia on an IFE.
> >
> > Le 31 juil. 2017 00:02, "Daniel Mietchen"  com>
> > a écrit :
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no
> > > Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally
> > > offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight
> > > stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a
> > > long flight yesterday, here we go:
> > > Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get
> > > Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?
> > >
> > > Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of
> > > anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix
> > > team looked into this?
> > >
> > > Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee -
> > > has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such
> > > "providers"?
> > >
> > > Thanks and cheers,
> > >
> > > Daniel
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyfraud by the British Museum

2017-07-30 Thread Jean-Philippe Béland 
 The restoration work is indeed an extensive work, but is it a "creation of
the mind", which is necessary for copyright?

JP


On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 2:23 PM Gordon Joly  wrote:

> On 29/07/17 02:12, geni wrote:
> > Your mistake is in assuming the only work here is from the 2000 year
> > old sculptor and bronze worker.
>
>
> Cf. The Cutty Sark and Knosos?
>
> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia content for in-flight entertainment?

2017-07-30 Thread Lodewijk 
I know that KLM included some cuts from Wikipedia articles in their
onflight system to explain sights from at least San Francisco. Not sure
whether they made it scale, probably not.

Lodewijk

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 12:13 AM, Pierre-Selim 
wrote:

> Certification process for the hardware of kiwix might be a tremendous pain
> in the ass.
>
> And second point the airline will need a business case to cary more weight
> (count about 3.5% of the weight as extra fuel burn per hour).
>
> That said I'd love to use Wikipedia on an IFE.
>
> Le 31 juil. 2017 00:02, "Daniel Mietchen" 
> a écrit :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no
> > Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally
> > offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight
> > stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a
> > long flight yesterday, here we go:
> > Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get
> > Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?
> >
> > Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of
> > anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix
> > team looked into this?
> >
> > Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee -
> > has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such
> > "providers"?
> >
> > Thanks and cheers,
> >
> > Daniel
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia content for in-flight entertainment?

2017-07-30 Thread Pierre-Selim 
Certification process for the hardware of kiwix might be a tremendous pain
in the ass.

And second point the airline will need a business case to cary more weight
(count about 3.5% of the weight as extra fuel burn per hour).

That said I'd love to use Wikipedia on an IFE.

Le 31 juil. 2017 00:02, "Daniel Mietchen" 
a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no
> Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally
> offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight
> stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a
> long flight yesterday, here we go:
> Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get
> Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?
>
> Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of
> anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix
> team looked into this?
>
> Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee -
> has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such
> "providers"?
>
> Thanks and cheers,
>
> Daniel
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia content for in-flight entertainment?

2017-07-30 Thread Daniel Mietchen 
Hi,

during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no
Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally
offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight
stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a
long flight yesterday, here we go:
Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get
Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?

Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of
anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix
team looked into this?

Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee -
has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such
"providers"?

Thanks and cheers,

Daniel

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Wikimedia Technical Committee (TechCom)

2017-07-30 Thread Rogol Domedonfors 
Victoria

Thanks for that.  As you may gather, I have not found that in the past
those interactions all went well.  But we can hope.

"Rogol"

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Victoria Coleman 
wrote:

> Ah, sorry, I misunderstood your question Rogol. So let me try and give you
> my point of view on the essence of your question. The Tech department in
> the Foundation, the TechCom and the volunteer developer community work to
> support the movement and its people, from readers to contributors and
> beyond. What this  tech community overall works on is driven by the needs
> of the movement. Some of these needs are purely technical. For example we
> want to minimize latency for both readers and contributors so we spend a
> lot of effort in understanding what causes latency and how to reduce it.
> Other needs come from the need to build new features. An example of this
> would be ORES and the scoring tool that many editors use. How do we collect
> and prioritize these needs? In some cases through our own expertise, in
> some cases by being part of the community , in others by doing research to
> understand what works and yet in others  by working closely with the
> Audiences team in the Foundation. The Audiences team has the mandate to
> deliver user facing features based on research and close interaction with
> the community. The Community wishlist being a great example of that work.
> The Community Engagement team through the Community Liaisons is another
> great way for us to collect input for the community.
>
> I would  of course also welcome your ideas and suggestions as well as
> those of other members of the community for how we could better capture the
> views and needs of our users and our contributors.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Victoria
>
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 2017, at 11:12 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
> wrote:
> >
> > Victoria
> >
> > Thanks you for your prompt and full reply.  However, you describe how
> > volunteer developers will interact with TechCom, but my question was
> about
> > the users across the world and the content contributors in the various
> > projects, who will be using the products and services that WMF and the
> > pther developers work on.  I assume that TechCom will wish to understand
> > the views of what those users and contributors want and need -- how will
> > those be be taken into account?
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 4:48 AM, Victoria Coleman <
> vcole...@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you Rogol. The primary way that the volunteer developer community
> >> will interact with the TechCom is through the use of the RFC process as
> was
> >> the case  with the ArchCom beforehand. The TechCom itself of course is
> open
> >> to the volunteer developer community for participation and since we are
> >> expanding membership to cover a broader area of technologies that the
> >> ArchCom was able to cover, there will be more opportunity to get
> involved.
> >> We are looking forward to that and as Daniel and I  will be present at
> >> Wikimania we will discuss the workings and goals of the new charter with
> >> anyone who is interested. I would encourage you and anyone else who
> wants
> >> to know more to reach out to Daniel or myself  to arrange to get
> together.
> >> For those who cannot attend Wikimania, we will host a webcast in the
> next
> >> few weeks to introduce the new committee and its charter and take
> questions.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >>
> >> Victoria
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 29, 2017, at 2:17 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Victoria
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for that.  I am sure we all welcome the new Committee.  The
> >>> description of its role mentions that it is "the guardian of the
> >> integrity,
> >>> consistency, stability and performance of the software supporting the
> >>> Wikimedia projects", and its "authority on technical decisions
> regarding
> >>> any official software that serves Wikimedia users".  Could you say
> >>> something about how the Committee will work with the community in its
> >>> various aspects to find out what forms of support and service the users
> >> and
> >>> contributors want and need?
> >>>
> >>> "Rogol"
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Victoria Coleman <
> >> vcole...@wikimedia.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hello All!
> 
>  Daniel and I would like to share some good news:
> 
> 
>  After  talking about it for years, and vetting the draft for months,
>  it's finally done: the Architecture Committee has adopted a proper
> >> charter
>  defining its purpose, operation, and authority.
> 
>  You can find the charter here:
>   <
>  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Technical_Committee/Charter
> >>
> 
>  The charter among other things defines from where the committee draws
> >> its
>  authority over

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Wikimedia Technical Committee (TechCom)

2017-07-30 Thread Rogol Domedonfors 
Victoria

Thanks you for your prompt and full reply.  However, you describe how
volunteer developers will interact with TechCom, but my question was about
the users across the world and the content contributors in the various
projects, who will be using the products and services that WMF and the
pther developers work on.  I assume that TechCom will wish to understand
the views of what those users and contributors want and need -- how will
those be be taken into account?

"Rogol"

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 4:48 AM, Victoria Coleman 
wrote:

> Thank you Rogol. The primary way that the volunteer developer community
> will interact with the TechCom is through the use of the RFC process as was
> the case  with the ArchCom beforehand. The TechCom itself of course is open
> to the volunteer developer community for participation and since we are
> expanding membership to cover a broader area of technologies that the
> ArchCom was able to cover, there will be more opportunity to get involved.
> We are looking forward to that and as Daniel and I  will be present at
> Wikimania we will discuss the workings and goals of the new charter with
> anyone who is interested. I would encourage you and anyone else who wants
> to know more to reach out to Daniel or myself  to arrange to get together.
> For those who cannot attend Wikimania, we will host a webcast in the next
> few weeks to introduce the new committee and its charter and take questions.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Victoria
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 2017, at 2:17 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
> wrote:
> >
> > Victoria
> >
> > Thanks for that.  I am sure we all welcome the new Committee.  The
> > description of its role mentions that it is "the guardian of the
> integrity,
> > consistency, stability and performance of the software supporting the
> > Wikimedia projects", and its "authority on technical decisions regarding
> > any official software that serves Wikimedia users".  Could you say
> > something about how the Committee will work with the community in its
> > various aspects to find out what forms of support and service the users
> and
> > contributors want and need?
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Victoria Coleman <
> vcole...@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello All!
> >>
> >> Daniel and I would like to share some good news:
> >>
> >>
> >> After  talking about it for years, and vetting the draft for months,
> >> it's finally done: the Architecture Committee has adopted a proper
> charter
> >> defining its purpose, operation, and authority.
> >>
> >> You can find the charter here:
> >>  >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Technical_Committee/Charter>>
> >>
> >> The charter among other things defines from where the committee draws
> its
> >> authority over technical development at the WMF: the committee acts as
> an
> >> extension of the CTO. This gives the committee  a clear role in the
> >> foundation's decision
> >> making processes.
> >>
> >> The charter also clarifies the scope of TechCom: it is to act as an
> >> authority on
> >> technical decisions regarding any official software that serves
> Wikimedia
> >> users.
> >> The committee should be involved in matters regarding such software that
> >> are
> >> strategic, cross-cutting, or hard to undo.
> >>
> >> The committee has also given itself a new name, to better fit the scope
> as
> >> defined in the charter: we are now the Wikimedia Technical Committee
> >> (TechCom).
> >>
> >> Looking forward to working with the technical community to fulfill the
> >> charter!
> >>
> >>
> >> Victoria & Daniel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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