Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015
Thanks Richard for the reply! Will there be any public report with a matrix indicating the scores of the bidding cities in each judging criterion? Kind Regards, Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Christopher, Aya, Speaking as a jury member, the reason we disqualified Bali and Dar es Salaam was that those two bids were not really complete enough to score. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 21 April 2014 21:03, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City! I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of choosing the winner for 2015. In addition to the cities that Cooper has mentioned, I would like to know what happened with Bali's bid too. Kind Regards, Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Cooper ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the bid together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to host Wikimania and I look forward to attending. Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were chosen and where other bids could have done better will be posted somewhere for digestion as done in previous years. In particular, while the bid was clearly lacking, it would be helpful to have an official answer to why the Dar es Salaam was disqualified. Kind regards, Christopher User: CT Cooper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015
@Richard I know that no public reports were released previously. But if it starts to be a habit, it will help elevate the transparency of the process. Concerning the grid the Judges real names can be anonymized to be Judge 1, Judge 2 and so on. As for the second guessing issue, I think it can appear in many forms whether the report was published or not. As for your example, isn't it the case for all contenders (especially if they are strong ones) in any selection mechanism (be it bidding, elections or any other form) ? And Richard thank you for all your efforts as a judge and taking the effort to reply on our concerns in this thread. Holding such responsibilities is a huge burden and makes the person vulnerable to critics, whether they are deserved or not. @Nathan Totally agree! This would be a great start. Kind Regards, Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: No, Aya, I don't think there will be a public report - I don't think it's happened in previous years. I for one would not be happy with making my marking grid public because the bidders didn't know that the marking grids were going to be made public - and for that matter, neither did I! I am also a little worried about being second-guessed by the community at large. Imagine, *for example,* if the jury was split down the middle, with half hating the Mexico bid and half loving it: it could be very damaging for the volunteer team morale to show that not everyone supported them, and it might damage the conference. Perhaps in future it would be a good thing to do... However, I see where you're coming from - it would be good to have feedback on the individual bids for posterity's sake, and to make sure that mistakes or omissions aren't repeated in future... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Maybe start by releasing the blank grid? Meta has judging criteria, but I don't see a grid. Does the jury bottom line the grid scores and then average them up? Maybe that final score by the jury as a whole could be released to the parties who submitted bids? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015
Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City! I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of choosing the winner for 2015. In addition to the cities that Cooper has mentioned, I would like to know what happened with Bali's bid too. Kind Regards, Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Cooper ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the bid together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to host Wikimania and I look forward to attending. Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were chosen and where other bids could have done better will be posted somewhere for digestion as done in previous years. In particular, while the bid was clearly lacking, it would be helpful to have an official answer to why the Dar es Salaam was disqualified. Kind regards, Christopher User: CT Cooper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
