Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plz ignore again
What the fuck are you doing? On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Alexandros Kosiaris akosia...@wikimedia.org wrote: ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] git.wikimedia.org dead due to wikimania ; )
Hello, I always believed that our servers where monitored 24/7? But nobody seems to be arround to fix a core part in our systems? Huib -- Forwarded message -- From: rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:24 PM Subject: [Wikimania-l] git.wikimedia.org dead due to wikimania ;) To: Wikimania general list (open subscription) wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org it seems git.wikimedia.org is down due: * no volunteer has access * no paid person works on weekends * everybody else is at wikimania rupert. ___ Wikimania-l mailing list wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA
How is this related to the foundation? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: See attachment. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA
Hmmm, the word wiki isn't named anywhere. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently Wikipedia was or is one of the targeted websites. Risker On 31 July 2013 15:42, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: How is this related to the foundation? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: See attachment. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
Its more like making a statement on your official homepage. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Sure; there are countries with taboos around, for example, tattoos. However, given that we run many encyclopaedias containing articles on pretty much everything, taboo or no taboo (including ink!), anyone easily offended is /going/ to be. There's a saying about horses and doors that applies here. Brandon does place his tattoo first. The tattoo, you will note, reads courage. It's what is known as a statement. Brandon is endorsing being bold, not endorsing being inked. On 12 July 2013 12:10, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote: Hi, I didn't say that people with thats are not proffesionals. I have multiple myself also. I am saying that the page has a lay-out with pictures that all fit together and are specially made for that page. I believe you shouldn't destroy the lay-out or style by adding personal pictures. Otherwhise you should lose the style completly. Secondly we are a world wide organisation, and there are still enough countries where tats are not accepted yet. So it can be wise to try to minimise the things on pictures that can be offensive for some people. And as last. Brandon places his tattoo first and makes his face blurry. Thats why I started posting. If both the tattoo would be vissible and his face I wouldn't have any problems at all. Ed ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tapping into the Backbone
Can you please stop spamming Us With topics like this? Its not Wikimedia related at all. Huib Op zaterdag 22 juni 2013 schreef Fred Bauder (fredb...@fairpoint.net) het volgende: The GCHQ mass tapping operation has been built up over five years by attaching intercept probes to transatlantic fibre-optic cables where they land on British shores carrying data to western Europe from telephone exchanges and internet servers in north America. This was done under secret agreements with commercial companies, described in one document as intercept partners. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tapping into the Backbone
Where is that question in this topic? Huib Op zaterdag 22 juni 2013 schreef Fred Bauder (fredb...@fairpoint.net) het volgende: Can you please stop spamming Us With topics like this? Its not Wikimedia related at all. Huib It is related. There was a question as to whether edits and other activity on Wikipedia were being swept up. Obviously they are. Whether activities of interest to intelligence agencies are logged or ever used or how is another matter. Fred Op zaterdag 22 juni 2013 schreef Fred Bauder (fredb...@fairpoint.netjavascript:;) het volgende: The GCHQ mass tapping operation has been built up over five years by attaching intercept probes to transatlantic fibre-optic cables where they land on British shores carrying data to western Europe from telephone exchanges and internet servers in north America. This was done under secret agreements with commercial companies, described in one document as intercept partners. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanks for all the fish!
of states. And that importance brings high responsibility to keep and develop Wikimedia projects and the movement. * * * Thanks for all the fish! It is pleasure to know all of you! I won't leave wikimeida-l for a couple of days. It's not nice to leave the communication immediately. And you have my email; some of you other means of communication with me. It will be always a pleasure to me if I could help to any of you! ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)
Hi, I strongly believe that the Foundation shouldn't do actions like this on a Friday. In this case there was a major discussion about it and nobody from the foundation was there to respond. But this week the new MediaWiki version is released on Friday, there is a bug (wrong version details) the bug is minor but there is nobody to fix it untill today. The team say's its just a small bug... But if somebody install new software and it says release candidate they can lose trust. Maybe we should make a policy that a mass-desysop, a new release or any other statement shouldn't be on Friday so that there is somebody arround to respond. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On May 28, 2013, at 12:38 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: However, I have concerns about keeping Gayle in the Chief Talent and Culture Officer position. This type of conversation is really not helpful in any way. I don't know what you're expecting here. --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some interesting thing about our friend User:Shujenchang
Hi Addis, I'm not sure what you try to do with this e-mail, because this behavior seems to be zh wiki only and not a foundation wide problem. This seems to be like trowing dirt. Secondly you say that the user stole the computer from a user and then used a closed browser to vandalize Wikipedia. This is because the user says his computer was stolen. But there is no way in earth to proof that this was the case. (NO checkuser will be able to confirm that the user you are blaming used somebody elses his computer to edit as a IP number). As last you say that he / she stole the account of the ex boyfriend and used it to vandalize Wikipedia. Why do you think it was her? Its good possible that the ex used his account in her house or WiFi or a place where they both come oftenly and then vandalize Wikipedia. Did a CU confirmed that it was her computer? The fact that the blocking user is also a CU it would be very easy to frame somebody like this. And you don't really give any proof. So please be careful before you destroy people's names. On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM, AddisWang addiswan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone There may be no reason for me to post a Blocking Notification to the mail list, but this thing will absolutely let you feel shocked which I think it's necessary to reveal what kind of people working with us, and even making important decision. User:Shujenchang, as know as User:ZH979433, who announced to quit the Chinese Wikipedia after local CheckUsers were elected. But coincidentally, the person who was strongly against the the ZHWP has local CheckUser, was checked and blocked for his disgusting and abominable behavior. User:Shujenchang stole his ex-boyfriend's Wikipedia account and vandalize Wikipedia because of the broken relationship. By considering his announcement that forever quit ZHWP, User:BenMQ only blocked him in one month to warning. People will lose control in sometimes, it might be too unfriendly if presuming his moral quality only by this. When we thought User: Shujenchang will leave ZHWP and things turn to good, another crazy thing happened. User:Shujenchang post personal attacks on his ex-boyfriend by using the account of User:Ltdccba when Ltdccba went to the restroom and left his laptop. By using others' trust, User:Shujenchang framed the person who took him as friend. Was checked twice, I finally understand why User:Shujenchang tried to stop the election of local CheckUser. His account was blocked right now by User:BenMQ. But this friend still try to do something on Wikimedia. Please be aware of this thing, who knows who is next EX or next Ltdccba. The first Blocking Notification: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Shujenchang#Blocking_Notification_on_ZHWP Meta User Page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Shujenchang Voting Members of the Wikimania 2014 Jury: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014_jury Blocking information on zhwp: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:%E5%B0%81%E7%A6%81%E7%94%A8%E6%88%B7/ZH979433 User:Ltdccba's explanation: https://zh.wikipedia.org/?oldid=26580664#.E8.AF.B7.E4.B8.8D.E8.A6.81.E4.BB.BF.E7.85.A7IP.E7.94.A8.E6.88.B7.E7.AD.BE.E5.90.8D Sorry if disturbing! Best Wishes! Addis Wang ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
Hi, The Wikimedia Foundation site says the following: The Wikimedia Foundation is proud http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Values to be one of the most transparent non-profit organizations in the world. But the decission to remove administrator rights is made internaly, thats not transparent? On the WMF site people now 3? days later get a message on the talkpage. That messages says two things that are a bit conflicting: 1: We've been talking internally for a while about making the governance structure of this wiki more clear, i.e 2: I apologize, though, for the hasty implementation of this decision! Next to that only 50% of the people where the rights are removed did get that message today. As last Philippe removed all the rights and is after that pointing to other people to explain. That is just stupid, if you do something you should be able to respond to questions. Cause Phillipe pressed the button.. It would be strange and I'm sure it would be not OK if Tim Starling decided to pull the plug from all all the servers and then says you want reasons? Ask Brion... Ow wait, he is on holiday now. But now I am still wondering about the following: Where does the foundation wants to go? Cause volunteers are removed from the blog, removed from the Foundation wiki. If I read correctly its not ok from the WMF side to have volunteers to help with the Toolserver as sysadmin? What will be the next step? Remove all administrators from the projects and let it only be handled by staff? Volunteers are the reasons we have staff. Without volunteers there will be no Wikipedia / media / versity etc and they will all be out jobs. So why are removing all the volunteer functions? On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:03 PM, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Lets get a few things in perspective: 1. How many community members were abusive/unreasonable/whatever beyond what might be considered a startle reaction to an apparent attack without warning? 2 How many people constitute this community Divide answer 1 by answer 2 Consider how much of the response was a snowball effect of frustration due to a distinct shortage of explanation and direct answers to what might be considered reasonable questions. And yes, Welcome to Wikipedia Cheers, Peter 2 is an unreasonable number to divide by when it's such a small cross section of the actual community on these lists. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
Thomas, She is on holiday, she will not be in the office today? Huib On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Thomas Goldammer tho...@gmail.com wrote: Just a general note, could you please all wait for Gayle to get back to her office? ^^ I think she wanted to address some of the things discussed here on Monday, which is by San Francisco time. So maybe let it rest for a few hours now? :) Th. p.s. sorry about the empty email, my mouse is broken and clicks randomly. 2013/5/13 Thomas Goldammer tho...@gmail.com 2013/5/13 Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:03 AM, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Lets get a few things in perspective: 1. How many community members were abusive/unreasonable/whatever beyond what might be considered a startle reaction to an apparent attack without warning? 2 How many people constitute this community Divide answer 1 by answer 2 Consider how much of the response was a snowball effect of frustration due to a distinct shortage of explanation and direct answers to what might be considered reasonable questions. And yes, Welcome to Wikipedia Cheers, Peter 2 is an unreasonable number to divide by when it's such a small cross section of the actual community on these lists. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l That's a bit relative, James. The active folk on this mailing list make for a pretty good cross section of thoughts/feelings/opinions of the movement. I've refrained from this discussion and will continue to do so on specifics, because it's politics and that's not something I do on Wikipedia/Wikimedia. Things have been said in this discussion that I agree with, things have been said that I do not agree with. All in all, my opinion is not needed because it has been expressed by others, and I do not feel compelled to say my side. This is where we speak and we listen, and it is disheartening to read that you feel embarrassed to be from the community when you have to explain drama to them. These threads bring out the best and the worst in Wikimedians, for certain, but it's all out of cause of passion. We're here because we care, no matter the pattern or the tone of conversations. This is a global audience, intelligent, collaborative, and willing to learn. The Wikimedia Foundation is global, intelligent, and I assume good faith about collaboration and willingness to learn. Gayle's email reflects her opinion on getting this concept and working with it in the future, and I'm happy with that. All in all, I guess I just agree with Phoebe. -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
It had volunteer administrators untill 6 months ago. Huib On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:46 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote: While i fully understand that contents on a domain called wikimediafoundation should be foundation managed (i see your point though that a notification would have been nice), i do not appreciate that a blog on wikimedia.org has no volunteer administrators. The project domains are core to the wikimedia volunteer based movement. Rupert. Am 12.05.2013 19:59 schrieb Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com: On 5/11/13 10:03 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: On 11.05.2013 21:26, David Gerard wrote: On 11 May 2013 19:45, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: i would have expected a movement blog behind this URL, appropriate to the usage of the domain, but i am not sure if i am completely misreading this? Comcom has been actively seeking more contributions from people other than Foundation staff. Most chapters have their own blog, but posts from them for the Wikimedia blog are in practice heartily welcomed. (Particularly in multiple languages.) There's even posts about projects other than Wikipedia or Commons ;-) Matthew Roth can probably clarify (cc'd). - d. At this point I am lost. Comcom is made of the representative of chapters, right? (I just happen to know this because the representatives of the Russian chapter there have hmm... complicated relations with the communities of Russian language projects). Is the blog then the business of WMF and chapters? Cheers Yaroslav __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l The blog and comcom are actually quite separated. The blog appears to be primarly Wikimedia Foundation blog, but they love invited posts that feeds the stream. Comcom is made of many different types of people. Staff and volunteers. WMF and chapters. Affiliated or non affiliated. Flo __**_ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
Hi Huib, we are currently reorganizing the internal communication about the Foundation's blog, and in the process have just removed your subscription. The list is going to see more confidential information in the future, and we want to focus membership more on people who need to know it. I want to emphasize that this has nothing to do with your conduct as list member, and that your interest in and support for the WMF blog (e.g. tweeting new posts) is appreciated. You can still send messages to the list, they will just need to go through moderation. -- Tilman Bayer Movement Communications Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB Strange that the blog is internal communications. Even stranger is that Erik asked to create my account, he was completly ok with it. So I'm not sure what the information on the blog is so secret that no volunteers can see it... ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
It was the explanation for both, I have some more communication: -- Forwarded message -- From: Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org Date: Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:32 AM Subject: Re: Error on Blog while moderating To: Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com I can, but I'll be honest, it's about number 19 on my list and i'm on about number 2. We'll get it figured out ASAP :) ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 2106 (reader relations) phili...@wikimedia.org On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know if you can check rights? I'm still on all the lists as administrator so maybe something somewhere went wrong? Best, Huib 2011/7/14 Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org I know Jay is incredibly busy today... if it's less than an emergency, it may take a few minutes. ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 2106 (reader relations) phili...@wikimedia.org On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Could you poke Jay or check the rights? Best, Huib -- Forwarded message -- From: Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com Date: 2011/7/14 Subject: Error on Blog while moderating To: Jay Walsh jwa...@wikimedia.org Hi, I get a error that I doesn't have anough permissions to moderate. Did something the change the last week? My nick on the blog is Abigor Best, huib and the reaction of Jay: Hi huib - I got around to this today. I think someone misread your username and changed your role, and possibly a whole range of accounts, some of whom may not have been moderating comments. I put you back to editor status so you can mod comments. We may change roles again in the coming weeks as I slowly investigate how to streamline systems on the blog. We'll let you know. Thanks for checking in jay So after that i was moderator for 12 hours and then all got removed again. This makes me believe that there is no communication between the staffers at all. And I believe Phillipe already knew, but didn't want to tell me... Huib On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:51 PM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Huib: Was that the blog mailing list? I'm not actually sure that's in use at all anymore (I was never on it, I just assumed the discussions basically just moved to comcom). James Alexander Manager, Merchandise Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Huib, we are currently reorganizing the internal communication about the Foundation's blog, and in the process have just removed your subscription. The list is going to see more confidential information in the future, and we want to focus membership more on people who need to know it. I want to emphasize that this has nothing to do with your conduct as list member, and that your interest in and support for the WMF blog (e.g. tweeting new posts) is appreciated. You can still send messages to the list, they will just need to go through moderation. -- Tilman Bayer Movement Communications Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB Strange that the blog is internal communications. Even stranger is that Erik asked to create my account, he was completly ok with it. So I'm not sure what the information on the blog is so secret that no volunteers can see it... ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
I see I do have the timeframe wrong with the e-mails. Sorry for that, that means I need to look up to other e-mails and send with Jay also. So far I will stand by my claim. I just had the wrong e-mails. But now you are saying you removed me 4 months after the RFC you removed me from the blog and the mailinglist. That is when I was already unblocked on Meta and Commons and all the other wiki's where I was active besides the Dutch Wikipedia. Nextly you only quote a part of Philippe sending the wrong signal (The same as you blame me for doing?) The complete quote is: While I find the deception here saddening, I do not believe it rises to the level of a global lock/block/ban. It certainly shatters any expectation of trust with me, but does not preclude the possibility of effective editing in other places. I'm willing to put it behind me and move on, provided that Abigor moves forward in a spirit of integrity and collaboration. The biggest fact in the RFC is that there was invalid proof that the vandal account was mine. But then you will need to read all the other pages also... The pages you are not linking. But then the fact is still the same. Months after the dramaz has past one staffer decides without communication with the others that I (and other say they are also removed) need to be removed from the blog. And its to bad that the original blog page is removed, cause if I remember correctly all names are removed at the same time... At last, you should stop attacking me. You will not get good faith answers if you push me in a corner. Yes, I used different account. Also after my block, and all those accounts got barnstars for good work on the Dutch Wikipedia so no I am not a vandal just somebody with Autism that really likes working on Wikipedia and will get a new account if you block me because you can't handle my behavior. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Tillman, For the record, the time between your e-mail and my request why the rights where removed is FOUR days. That's a completely wrong statement. I emailed you as soon as I removed you from the wikimedia-blog list. So yes. I stay by my claim I had to find information myself. And showing the mails its visible that Jay didn't know about the fact you removed me either. Which happened four months later. I guess we will have to accept your criticism that Jay does not possess clairvoyant powers ;) So NO you didn't leave me a note when you did it. I get your note four days later. Again you appear to be at least confusing things here, if not making them up outright. Other volunteers also said they where removed, and I will not post that kind of e-mails online. But on the other mailing threat there you can read it yourself also. When I was placed on the Wikimedia Blog I was already blocked by the Dutch Wikipedia, That was no problem for Jay, Erik or the other people I worked with? When I was blocked on the dutch Wikipedia I was also a moderator on Commons, Meta, Incubator and a Member of the LangCOM and the LiCOM. So now your saying: You where / are blocked so you can't be trusted? I guess that makes you a complete asshole. Since the blocks and NL.wiki and lots of other wiki's are made of complete bullshit. Well, as I said in my Nov 2011 email, I did not want to pass judgment on your edits on other wikis, mainly because I hadn't fully read the discussions reading to these blocks. But let's link those on Meta, so others can make up their mind whether they were bullshit: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Abigor https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Global/2011-07#Global_lock_for_Abigor https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Global/2011-01#Global_block_and_lock_for_user:Abigor Regarding no problem for Jay, Erik or the other people I worked with, the first link has a comment by Philippe where he says that you deception ... certainly shatters any expectation of trust with me. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi Huib, thanks for correcting your earlier claim in the main thread that you were never notified about this kind of thing (although unfortunately this correction comes only after your claim already contributed to leaving MZ a little speechless and feeling more and more ... distanced from Wikimedia). I can confirm that this is the text of an email I sent you on November 16, 2011 when removing you from what was originally the blog comment moderators list - with one crucial difference however: On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Huib, we are currently reorganizing the internal communication about the Foundation's blog, and in the process have just removed your subscription. The list is going
Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
Tilman, But with that said there is still no answer in why did you wait untill 3 months after the RFC when I was deblocked before you removed the rights? And did you talked with you're co-workers or even ur boss (Jay) about it? Huib ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)
The same happend to the Wikimedia Blog. Most of the moderators where volunteers (and the only real active ones also). My moderator rights where removed and I have to go after that myself, I didn't got a message or anything. While I was list administrator for wikitech-l I got the mail also that I needed to give my password so that the list can be run by the staff. I didn't respond to that mail (Thought it was spam cause It was send by gmail). \ It gives me the feeling that we need a bigger fundraiser cause people GET PAYED for doing things other people DO FOR FREE. Huib On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:15 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: This is the email that got sent out to everyone, --- Dear XXX, Thank you for your work with the Foundation wiki. At this time, we are formalizing a new requirement, which is that administrator access is given only to staff and board. I am having administrator access to accounts that are neither staff or board be disabled, effective immediately. Sincerely, Gayle -- Gayle Karen K. Young Chief Talent and Culture Officer Wikimedia Foundation 415.310.8416 www.wikimediafoundation.org --- Gayle's response (which was the first time she has edited the wiki in ~5 months[2]) seems lacking[1] in general and the subsequent responses about knowing what these people do on the wiki Another interesting fact is that Mz got desysoped first, When you would expect it to be done in alphabetically order. We've been discussing this for awhile, and the thought is that it's ultimately the Foundation's web presence, not the community's web presence. A useful parallel to consider might be how userrights are given to staffers on the community wikis; they're distributed as and when they're needed for a specific task. Um, Rights for staff on wikis are given out like candy?, although not as much thee days but it still happens. Also, How is the foundation wiki not apart of the community? Has the position of the legal department changed? or the boards? just randomly changing without any imput or discussions seems utlimately strange. since it is actually their wiki (just like everything else that falls under the foundation) [1]. https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?diff=91857oldid=91855#Users_stripped_of_rights.3F [2]. https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributionstarget=Gyoung [3]. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:Log/rights ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?
I would say my view on the voting rules also, like last year where I was a active editor but wasn't allowed to vote because of the rule that you can't be blocked on more then one project. I was that year a administrator, list administrator and member of the LangCom. But was blocked on a project where I was active before and on a project where I never editted.. This made me not able to vote. With the rule of being blocked it will be very EASY to remove people you don't want to vote... Just block them for a while and they can't vote. The rules of the voting should be changed, so that it would be more easy for people to vote and not let there be a change that people can be excluded from voting by just random facts. Huib On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: I agree. We should limit it to only community members, or to give equal right to everyone. Asaf, you right, but we are talking also about the FDC elections. a processes where we are not granting chapters and others organizations the right to vote but granting to the WMF. Giving only WMF staff, and not chapters staff the right to vote in community process, it's like saying the first are part of the community, but the second are not. I don't even want to refer to the sensitive issue of the staff voting for their bosses.. On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I would go the other way, and limit the participants in the election for the community seat to people who are members of the volunteer community. Presumably that would include most members of most organizational boards, but only include those staff and other paid workers who also participate as volunteers. Most chapter members and representatives participate not only in the community elections but also in the selection of chapter-nominated board seats. It doesn't seem like chapters as a group are at all disenfranchised. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Met vriendelijke groet, Huib Laurens ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission
Phillipe, We are now to day's futher. Still no responds from you on or off list, or any responds at all from the foundation. best, Huib On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 03:52, Pedro Sanchez pdsanc...@gmail.com wrote: It really amazes me how much we distrust the people who have been doing a great work (otrs admins, ombudsmen, etc). I'm going to suggest a benefit of the doubt response and wonder aloud whether it's more to do with what we've come to expect. Most of us start as editors and we become aware that our every contribution is logged and publicly available for scrutiny. That is of tremendous use to us as editors. So maybe it's just that we all started in that environment and see the value of that and then we tend to carry over those thoughts into every aspect of what happens on the wikis. It may not be achievable, desirable or necessary to have access to that level of monitoring/review for everything else (I know nothing of OTRS and/or ombudsmen), I'm just suggesting why these questions may arise: a cultural thing, if you like. Bodnotbod ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Kind regards, Huib Laurens WickedWay.nl Webhosting the wicked way. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
