[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikianswers Proposal

[Joseph Fox]

On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 11:05, Lauren Worden 
wrote:

> > user-editable cache of multimodal answers
>
> Apologies, but that's a terrible idea. Who wants to edit keeping up to
> date, for example, "teams currently in the playoffs"?


I haven’t much comment on the proposal but … Wikipedians are already
extremely diligent for information like this. Reality TV, Eurovision,
sports results and team status etc are usually updated within seconds. So
I’m not sure this is the best argument against this proposal ;)

Joe

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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikipedia-l] Women's History Month Conversation

[Joseph Fox]

Forwarding this invitation to wikimedia-l, since I don't think wikipedia-l
has as wide a readership.

*Joseph Fox *(user:fox <http://enwp.org/user:fox>)


-- Forwarded message -
From: Masana Mulaudzi 
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 at 06:03
Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Women's History Month Conversation
To: 


Hi Wikimedia Organizers,

My name is Masana Mulaudzi and I recently joined the Wikimedia Foundation
as the new Senior Manager for the Campaigns Programs team. Before joining
the Wikimedia Foundation I worked extensively in the gender justice
movement across Africa, and in solidarity with feminists around the world
in economic and social justice campaigning. I am really humbled to be
joining the Movement and to learn and act in solidarity with gender
organizers in this vibrant community.

To respond to the gender gap and create opportunities to strengthen the
gender diverse content on Wikipedia, the Gender Organizing community in the
Wikimedia Movement hosts an annual campaign
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Celebrate_Women> during International
Women’s Month. This campaign is an important opportunity for the Wikimedia
movement to engage with the work of different communities highlighting the
gender gap in each Wikimedia project.

We invite you to a conversation hour!

For this reason (and many more), we are excited to invite you to a
Campaigns Programs Office Hour on Gender Organizing as a Wikimedians. Here,
I hope to listen to your experiences of gender organizing across the
WikiProjects and share some exciting tools that we’ve developed to support
your work! Join this conversation hour to:


   -

   Share what your community is doing in campaign organizing on the Gender
   Gap during International Women’s Day and beyond.
   -

   Learn about this year’s volunteer-led Central Notice banner and central
   calendar and how you can give feedback on the pages.
   -

   Learn how the new event registration tool
   <
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xb6-ZElpN4_channel=WikimediaFoundation
>can
   help improve your registration experience for newcomers joining events.


Please join the Office Hour to connect and share.

International Women’s Day Office Hour

16 February 2023

1600 UTC

Register here
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Event:Women_History_Month_Conversation>



*Masana Mulaudzi (She/Her)*

Senior Manager, Campaigns Programs

Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you and farewell

[Joseph Fox]

Maybe let's not turn this into a debate about what epistemology is.

*Joseph Fox*
enwp.org/user:foxj


On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 16:26, John Erling Blad  wrote:

> 
> To be an organization so devoted to knowledge, Wikimedia as such (the
> projects communities included) knows very little about epistemology. A
> collection of mere facts, even referenced, is nothing more than
> information.
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] convert from BitCoin to FoldingCoin and other proofs of useful work

[Joseph Fox]

Please please please take this conversation to another venue. It has little
to nothing to do with this movement.

Joe
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 18:15, geni  wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 07:23, James Salsman  wrote:
> >
> > Geni, it's the "Day of the Dead" now so I want to attempt to resurrect
> > this thread.
> >
> > Is FoldingCoin still vulnerable to a 51% attack? What is a 51% attack?
>
> You've had 6 months to do this basic research.
>
> > Do you think it is reasonable for the Foundation to convert bitcoin to
> > FoldingCoin as part of its program to source clean electricity?
>
> No. Cash is more efficient.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] August 2018 "Community Metrics and Activities Meeting"

[Joseph Fox]

That does sound like a pretty cool idea. :)

Joe

On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 at 13:23 Pine W  wrote:

> Thanks for the input. I had been thinking of this as a meeting where
> useful communications and discussions would happen, but maybe going in the
> opposite direction would have more appeal. I could simply host a casual
> meetup on Zoom an hour before the WMF metrics meeting. There would be no
> agenda, and the environment would be like a coffee house. People could talk
> about whatever Wikimedia-related subjects are on their minds. Does that
> sound like it would be of interest?
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>  Original message From: Richard Ames 
> Date: 8/5/18  6:01 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: Wikimedia Mailing List <
> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] August 2018
> "Community Metrics and Activities
> Meeting"
> I think Rupert has a point.   I would consider getting up at 5AM for a
> general conversation but not to be bored.
>
> More loose, fun would be good.   I can't do the end of this month - will be
> travelling.
>
> Cheers, Richard.
>
> On Monday, 6 August 2018, rupert THURNER  wrote:
>
> > pine, i find the lack of feedback a pity, so let me give at least my
> > personal impression. "activities and metrics" sounded bureaucratic, and
> it
> > sounded like work, not rewarding. the opposite of fun. not sure if a
> > regular meetup would work better? a hangout? same time all the time. no
> > matter how many persons are there, maybe once a month? one would need to
> > think a little about the fun though.
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 11:09 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Given the lack of interest and lack of suggestions, I'm going to cancel
> > the
> > > meeting. However, if other people would like to be bold in organizing a
> > > meeting like this, they are welcome to do so.
> > >
> > > I would like to encourage interpersonal and social connections among
> > > good-faith Wikimedia content contributors and grassroots project
> > > organizers, and I'd be glad to see suggestions and initiatives which do
> > > this.
> > >
> > > Pine
> > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 8:36 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > The number of people who have participated in the Doodle poll is very
> > > low.
> > > > Before I give up on the idea of having a community metrics and
> > activities
> > > > meeting, would anyone like to make a suggestion about how a meeting
> > like
> > > > this could be more interesting or useful?
> > > >
> > > > Pine
> > > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 3:11 AM, Pine W  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I am attempting this one more time, with more advance notice and
> some
> > > >> alterations to the agenda.
> > > >>
> > > >> Here is a Doodle poll with options for scheduling:
> > > >> https://doodle.com/poll/iycrgia2wqune63g.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have created a page on Meta where people who want to include an
> > agenda
> > > >> item can do so: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik
> > > >> i/Community_Metrics_and_Activities_Meeting
> > > >>
> > > >> This is an experiment. I hope that a meeting like this can
> facilitate
> > > and
> > > >> nurture international connections, and I hope that people will be
> > > >> interested enough to participate.
> > > >>
> > > >> The meeting platform will be Zoom .
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] List management

[Joseph Fox]

Thehelpfulone hasn't died. :) He's been hugely busy in real life, is all.

Joe.

On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 at 21:25 Pine W  wrote:

> I regret seeing THO fade away. I found him to be likable, polite, and
> competent.
>
> I think well of Shani, and as she already has some experience with
> moderation duties, I would like to second her (self-)nomination.
>
> Pine
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Austin Hair  wrote:
>
> > We've just had a bit of turnover of our list administrators. In order
> > to get moderation going smoothly again, I've added Asaf Bartov as an
> > admin. I don't think that decision will be controversial.
> >
> > Richard has resigned for his own reasons, after putting in more than
> > his fair share of work here. Thehelpfulone has been removed following
> > a prolonged silence.
> >
> > I would like a third active moderator. You can volunteer on this
> > thread, or send a message to wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org.
> > This should be No Big Deal, and while there are technically no
> > requirements, getting the reference is a bonus.
> >
> > Austin
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-Recognition of Affiliates with Long-standing Non-Compliance

[Joseph Fox]

It looks like the page Maor refers to near the end there is this one:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports

Joe

On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 at 15:06 Maor Malul  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic organization,
> or user group - is a privilege that allows an independent group to
> officially use the Wikimedia name to further the Wikimedia mission.
> While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards
> set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol
> has been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia
> affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued
> recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to the Wikimedia
> movement. This protocol is outlined at
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Protocol_for_noncompliant_Wikimedia_movement_affiliates
>
> In the past year, the Affiliations Committee - with support from
> Wikimedia Foundation staff - has made a concerted effort to address a
> handful of chapters with long-standing issues of non-compliance. As a
> result, in the coming days and months, a small number of chapters that
> have been unable to return to compliance through their efforts in the
> past year will not have their chapter agreements renewed. As a
> consequence, these organizations will no longer have the additional
> rights to use the Wikimedia trademarks, including the Wikimedia name,
> that had been granted under those agreements.
>
> For a list of affiliates and their compliance status, please consult the
> reports page on Meta; there is also a page that lists formerly active
> affiliates. If you have questions about what this means for community
> members in the affected affiliates’ geographic area or language scope,
> we have put together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ
>
> Regards,
> M.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Board Recruitment Kick-Off

[Joseph Fox]

Hey Lodewijk - looks like there is at least some indication on the "Work
with us" page here: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us

They're looking for two of:

   - Growing a Global Movement
   - Engaging New Communities
   - Social Sector Governance


Joe

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 at 01:36 Lodewijk  wrote:

> Hi Nataliia,
>
> Thanks for the update. It's promising to see a closed timeline for the
> board recruitment.
>
> I am wondering though, when do you expect to wrap up the process for the
> appointed seats? There's always been a lot of talk that the community and
> affiliates don't take the needs of the board in certain areas into account
> - and it would probably be good if the board could communicate back before
> the election process starts what kind of expertise they're looking for.
>
> I guess that is not going to fly this time around, as you will be in the
> middle of a search for the expert seats? Any chance these timelines may
> support each other?
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> 2017-01-23 19:44 GMT+01:00 Nataliia Tymkiv :
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > We would like to announce that we are officially beginning recruitment
> for
> > two open appointed positions on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of
> Trustees.
> > This email will outline the process and timeline for the recruitment.
> >
> > The Board initially began discussions on recruitment in May-June 2016
> [1].
> > After a pause, the Board Governance Committee (BGC) has renewed
> recruitment
> > for its vacant appointed seats and would love to share an update with you
> > today.
> >
> > With support from Anna Stillwell (from the Talent & Culture department)
> and
> > Michelle Paulson (our interim General Counsel), the BGC developed four
> > candidate profiles for the vacant and soon-to-be-vacant seats and gave
> its
> > recommendations to the Board in December 2016.
> >
> > During its December meeting, the Board decided that it hopes to find the
> > following types of experience and expertise:
> >
> >
> >1.
> >
> >Growing a global movement: apply
> > > src=3vh7tx1#.WIZGvrYrL-Y>
> >[2]
> >2.
> >
> >Engaging new communities: apply
> > > src=b1ftgs1#.WIZL_FyzlP1>
> >[3]
> >3.
> >
> >Social sector governance: apply
> > > src=5gwopi1#.WIZMoFyzlP1>
> >[4]
> >
> >
> > After that Anna, Michelle, and the Communications team integrated Board
> > feedback and developed recruitment materials, which include background
> > information about the Wikimedia movement and Foundation as well as the
> > profiles describing the types of candidates we are looking for. These
> > recruitment materials can be found at:
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/?curid=55283092 [5].
> >
> > The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees currently has two vacant
> > appointed seats. We also have a vacant community-selected seat, but this
> > seat will be filled through the community selection process. The Election
> > Committee, who runs the election process for community-selected seats,
> will
> > provide further information about the process and timeline at a later
> date.
> > We hope to have all three candidates join the Board no later than
> Wikimania
> > in August.
> >
> > We will begin accepting applications and referrals for these positions
> > today and will close the submission period on Monday, 06 March 2017 at
> > 17:00 PST. A more detailed timeline of the full recruitment process is
> > available on Meta here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/?curid=10176203 [6].
> >
> > Applicants may apply online at:
> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Work_with_us#Wikimedia_Careers. We
> > also accept applications and referrals by email at
> > board-nominati...@lists.wikimedia.org.
> >
> > Over the next six weeks, we invite you all to tell us about people who
> are
> > potentially interested in serving the Wikimedia community on the
> Wikimedia
> > Foundation Board of Trustees. And we look forward to hearing from you.
> >
> > [1]
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_
> > Governance_Committee/2016_competence_matrix
> >
> > [2]
> > https://boards.greenhouse.io/wikimedia/jobs/567318?gh_src=3v
> > h7tx1#.WIZMiFyzlP1
> >
> > [3]
> > https://boards.greenhouse.io/wikimedia/jobs/567342?gh_src=b1
> > ftgs1#.WIZL_FyzlP1
> >
> > [4]
> > https://boards.greenhouse.io/wikimedia/jobs/567375?gh_src=5g
> > wopi1#.WIZMoFyzlP1
> >
> > [5]
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2017_Board_Recruitin
> > g_Candidate_Packet.pdf
> >
> > [6]
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_
> > Governance_Committee/Board_Recruitment
> >
> > Best regards,
> > antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] documentaries about Wikipedia

[Joseph Fox]

There's the GLAM-Wiki documentary that Rock drum and I put together back in
2013 with the support of Wikimedia UK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlNT16gqHyo
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_GLAM-Wiki_Revolution.webm

It has translatable subtitles in a bunch of languages too :)

best,
Joe



On Mon, 12 Dec 2016 at 13:11 Mardetanha  wrote:

Thanks indeed everyone, if you later find something, I would be the most
grateful if you could add it to this thread

Mardetanha

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 6:03 AM, Victor Grigas 
wrote:

> And one more from Wikimedia Argentina:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Soy_Wikipedista.webm
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Andrew Lih  wrote:
>
> > PS: One more video in that collection that was used:
> >
> > Wiki Loves Libraries 2013
> > https://vimeo.com/78005986
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Andrew Lih 
> wrote:
> >
> > > While this is not a documentary per se, this video is a “reel” of the
> > best
> > > videos of the Wikimedia movement strung together that in the US, we’ve
> > > played before edit-a-thons and events. It’s about 25 minutes in total,
> > and
> > > there’s a countdown timer in the upper left hand corner that helps
give
> > > folks a sense of when an event starts.
> > >
> > > We’ve found this helps provide some energy to the room and is useful
> for
> > > people new to the movement to see human faces behind projects all
> around
> > > the world. It was used at Wikiconference North America, the United
> > Nations,
> > > and Wikimedia DC edit-a-thons. You’re welcome to use it and to give us
> > > ideas on how to improve it.
> > >
> > > https://vimeo.com/191543645
> > >
> > > Videos used:
> > >
> > > Edit 2015
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm1LKcHD1VE
> > >
> > > Mexico edit-a-thon
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94KtOE39Hyw
> > >
> > > #BlackLifeMatters Wikipedia Edit-a-thon in Harlem, New York City
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbSaPf-9B6Q
> > >
> > > Summer Wikicamp 2015 - Armenia
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12g9645x6gA
> > >
> > > What is Wikipedia Zero? - Jimmy narration
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaZf6h0Pus8
> > >
> > > Wikimania 2016
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SufXYsbMI8E
> > >
> > > Wikipedia Edit-a-thon at the Innovation Hub
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVIGfA0WqI8
> > >
> > > The 2016 Wikimedia Hackathon in Jerusalem
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFR2_4GEnoQ
> > >
> > >
> > > -Andrew
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Mardetanha 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear all,
> > >> We (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Wikimedians_User_Group)
> > have
> > >>  been invited to talk about Wikipedia in one of Iranian well-known
and
> > >> respected academic gatherings.
> > >> As part of this we have 40 minute time to show a film (preferably a
> > >> documentary ) about our movement, I am aware of
> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_about_Wikipedia but I
> would
> > >> like to know if you have anything else in your disposal?
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Mardetanha
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] [Wikimania Committee] Wikimania 2018

[Joseph Fox]

Gnangarra - perhaps it should be wikimania-...@lists.wikimedia.org ?

On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 at 01:27 Gnangarra  wrote:

> well tried to submit Perth bid to the email supplied and the response was;
>
> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>
>  wikimania-...@wikimedia.org
>
> Technical details of permanent failure:
> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server
> for the recipient domain wikimedia.org by mx1001.wikimedia.org.
> [2620:0:861:3:208:80:154:76].
>
> The error that the other server returned was:
> 550 Address wikimania-...@wikimedia.org does not exist
>
> On 24 July 2016 at 06:47, Dariusz Jemielniak  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Florence Devouard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> We have listened to a lot of community members, both those present at
>>> Wikimania 2016 and more widely, and decided overall that, given there was
>>> strong desire for holding Wikimania every year, we should continue to do
>>> so. This means that we need to pick a team and location for hosting
>>> Wikimania in July/August 2018 soon.
>>
>>
>> One word: wow!!!
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight

[Joseph Fox]

Gerard, I feel like you are basically describing the role of the Wikimedia
Blog. Is that incorrect?

Joe

On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 at 11:35 Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> Wikipedia is not my thing. I hardly ever write on articles. The article
> states that Rosie wrote 1000 articles.. Hardly an argument why she became a
> Wikipedian of the year.
>
> The other aspect I give attention to is that we are REALLY bad at doing a
> good job for our own. There is a lot that is uncontroversial that can be
> added. It it the least that can be done to indicate why she is a Wikipedian
> of the year.
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> On 30 June 2016 at 12:05, Erik Zachte  wrote:
>
> > Gerard, feel free to follow-up on your call to action with more action.
> >
> > Erik Zachte
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
> > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:38
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
> >
> > Hoi,
> >
> > At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The article for
> one
> > of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic.
> >
> > The article is a one liner stub. The Wikidata item had no statements and
> I
> > added the few that were minimally needed.
> >
> > I find it incredible that we take no care of our own even when they are
> > obviously notable.
> > Thanks,
> >GerardM
> >
> > PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it when
> they
> > get some proper attention.
> >
> >
> >
> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/06/wikipedia-wikipedian-of-year-rosie.html
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] “Reliable”, “Notable”, and “Encyclopaedic” Sources for Automated Solvers for FreeCell

[Joseph Fox]

Yes, that would be original research and not permitted on the English
Wikipedia.

Joe

On Tuesday, 8 March 2016, Shlomi Fish  wrote:

> Dear Ruslan,
>
> please reply to my questions below. I've been waiting all along.
>
> Regards,
>
> Shlomi Fish
>
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:55:04 +0200
> Shlomi Fish > wrote:
>
> > Hi Ruslan,
> >
> > sorry for the late reply.
> >
> > On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 13:01:31 +0300
> > Ruslan > wrote:
> >
> > > Answering your questions:
> > >
> > >1. Yes, this conference proceedings paper is sufficiently reliable
> to be
> > >included into a wikipedia article. (Notability of the paper does not
> > >matter.) The full reference is
> > >http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=2001576.2001836
> > >2. No, discussion threads are not reliable sources and can not be
> > >included.
> > >
> >
> > I see. Well, my dilemma here is that if I wrote that the best performing
> > known solver todate could only solve 98% of the first 32,000 layouts,
> that
> > will be very misleading (because like I said hobbyist solvers exist that
> can
> > solve 31,999 of the deals and I was also able to verify these solutions
> as
> > legal ones using a verification code). So what can we do? If I (or
> someone
> > else) prepare a small public research document, which won't be an
> academic
> > paper but will still have reproducible results, and publish it somewhere
> > (with sources on GitHub, but also a version available on a static HTML
> site)
> > and then cite that
> > - will this be good enough? Or will this violate Wikipedia's
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research policy?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> >   -- Shlomi Fish
> >
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Anybody alive?

[Joseph Fox]

Y'know, maybe it's a good thing when this list is quiet. Saves my inbox
some.

On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 at 18:11 Lydia Pintscher 
wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 6:44 PM Yaroslav M. Blanter 
> wrote:
>
> > On 2016-02-24 18:39, Milos Rancic wrote:
> > > 8 (eight) hours have passed without any email. Am I the last
> > > Wikimedian not abducted by aliens?
> >
> > No, there are other lists which are active. For example, the last
> > message on the wikidata-l by Lydia was several minutes ago.
> >
> > (May be she is abducted by the aliens though, I do not know).
> >
>
> Haha
> No, I did grow up watching a lot of the X-Files and have spent a few hours
> over the past weeks watching the new episodes but so far I have not been
> abducted by aliens. I think! Hmmm.
>
>
> Cheers
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] In Support of Community

[Joseph Fox]

Thanks, Damon. It all makes sense now.

On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 at 15:55 Damon Sicore  wrote:

> To All,
>
> Just to mark this moment, or maybe remind those who paid attention when I
> published these, some long before I vanished in silence:
>
> https://damon.sicore.com/proof-0/
>
> https://damon.sicore.com/proof-1/
>
> https://damon.sicore.com/proof-2/
>
> https://damon.sicore.com/proof-3/
>
> https://damon.sicore.com/proof-4/
>
> https://damon.sicore.com/proof-5/
>
> https://damon.sicore.com/proof-6-the-mistake/
>
> https://damon.sicore.com/proof-the-stand/
>
> I trust James Heilman.  I support the community.
>
> :)
>
> Yours faithfully,
> Damon Sicore
> aka: gnubeard, ex-vp of eng, and briefly head of product, WMF
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

[Joseph Fox]

I imagine it would take something quite extraordinary for the board to
reject the community election result outright, as it happens. I would
assume the "nomination v selection" differential is to allow the board to
remove members without fear of breaking Florida law, rather than some
nefarious ploy by the board to stick it to the man.

Joe

On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 at 21:11 Marcin Cieslak  wrote:

> On 2016-01-01, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> > On 28 December 2015 at 23:29, Patricio Lorente
> > wrote:
> >
> >> This decision creates an open seat for a community-selected Trustee. The
> >> Board is committed to filling this open community seat as quickly as
> >> possible. We will reach out to the 2015 election committee
> >> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2015/Committee
> >
> >> to discuss our options, and will keep you informed as we determine next
> >> steps.
> >
> > There needs to be a change in the terms used; it has become clear that
> > this will not be an election, and that the trustee eventually approved
> > by the rest of the board will not be "community selected", but
> > "community nominated".
>
> Until now many of us were under impression (supported by the Florida
> statutes it seems)
> that they were "community elected".
>
> Saper
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interesting - and helpful - blog post

[Joseph Fox]

Hera is an awesome person. So happy to see her doing well!

Joe

On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 at 22:56 Richard Symonds <
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> All,
>
> I thought it would be helpful to share with you all this blog post from a
> key volunteer at Wikimania 2014, who has gone on to launch a domestic
> violence charity on a shoestring budget.
>
> It explains how she went about it, what their workflows are, how they
> attract and keep volunteers, how they use open licensing to make a real
> difference in a non-open-movement group. I've already got some great new
> ideas from it, and it has ideas that could help all of us, from the WMF to
> WMIE.
>
> Key reading, I think, for those who have even a small group of Wikimedia
> volunteers and no budget!
>
> It's at
>
> https://medium.com/@hera/running-a-fluid-and-democratic-volunteer-run-organisation-3538e12c699e
>
>
> Richard Symonds
> Wikimedia UK
> 0207 065 0992
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> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

[Joseph Fox]

My argument to that is that eventually we'd be in the situation where no
bids are viable. The proposed rotation system would hopefully provide
enough prep time to alleviate that.

On Wed, 7 Oct 2015 at 16:07 Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 7 October 2015 at 22:54, Joseph Fox <josephfoxw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Any way one tries to obtain a representative sample of something, it's
> > never going to be totally representative. We are a massive, massive
> > community, and I'm really not sure direct democracy works in this
> instance.
> > This isn't a problem with Wikimania selection but rather with politics.
> >
> > What would be best: A group of users selecting locations for an annual
> > conference, a jury that is voted in, or just putting the conference
> > locations up for a general vote among the community? I for one would
> rather
> > a small collection of people who have experience with Wikimania, and what
> > makes for a good conference, make the final call—elected or otherwise.
> >
>
> ​thats what we had people suggested places and put together a proposal as
> to why their location.  A jury was selected, the bids where then discussed
> and further developed in depth at the end the jury chose the best
> available​. It took from September to December for the public process,
> those who really wanted the event spent time preparing for the process.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > I feel this conversation is getting somewhat tangled at this point.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

[Joseph Fox]

Any way one tries to obtain a representative sample of something, it's
never going to be totally representative. We are a massive, massive
community, and I'm really not sure direct democracy works in this instance.
This isn't a problem with Wikimania selection but rather with politics.

What would be best: A group of users selecting locations for an annual
conference, a jury that is voted in, or just putting the conference
locations up for a general vote among the community? I for one would rather
a small collection of people who have experience with Wikimania, and what
makes for a good conference, make the final call—elected or otherwise.

I feel this conversation is getting somewhat tangled at this point.

Joe

On Wed, 7 Oct 2015 at 15:48 MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Are you familiar with Board elections? Those where seats are elected by the
> community??
> Am 07.10.2015 16:41 schrieb "Richard Symonds" <
> richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk>:
>
> > True, but not everyone reads the VP on each project: take Wikidata for
> > example. There are a fair few people who don't read it at all! A mass
> > message would be better, an email or banner to people better still - but
> it
> > depends on who exactly you want the opinion of! "Community" is a big term
> > :-)
> >
> > Richard Symonds
> > Wikimedia UK
> > 0207 065 0992
> >
> > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
> 4LT.
> > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> >
> > *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> > over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
> >
> > On 7 October 2015 at 15:35, Steinsplitter Wiki <
> > steinsplitter-w...@live.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > You can post on VP that there is such a poll on :m:
> > >
> > > Common sense.
> > >
> > > > From: richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
> > > > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 14:39:11 +0100
> > > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by
> > Signpost
> > > >
> > > > Steinsplitter, with respect (and I mean that!), I don't think a poll
> on
> > > > meta would be enough. For something this big, either we get the views
> > of
> > > > the community as a whole - including those who don't read meta - or
> we
> > > come
> > > > up with another way (eg a committee). A small poll on meta would not
> be
> > > > representative enough.
> > > >
> > > > Richard Symonds
> > > > Wikimedia UK
> > > > 0207 065 0992
> > > >
> > > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England
> > and
> > > > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513.
> > Registered
> > > > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London
> EC2A
> > > 4LT.
> > > > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> > > > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation
> > (who
> > > > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> > > >
> > > > *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal
> > control
> > > > over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
> > > >
> > > > On 7 October 2015 at 12:04, Steinsplitter Wiki <
> > > steinsplitter-w...@live.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > A small poll on meta would be enough.
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: josephfoxw...@gmail.com
> > > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 19:14:59 +
> > > > > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by
> > > Signpost
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you want the views of everyone on every project... then yes, I
> > do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 20:14 MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you real

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

[Joseph Fox]

If you want the views of everyone on every project... then yes, I do.

On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 20:14 MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Do you really believe the community consists of several 100.000 people?
> Am 06.10.2015 21:01 schrieb "Joseph Fox" <josephfoxw...@gmail.com>:
>
> > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 17:27 Steinsplitter Wiki <
> > steinsplitter-w...@live.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > To be honest: I am not surprised at all.
> > >
> > > Wikimedia Foundation is becoming moor and moor centralized. They no
> > longer
> > > care about the community, even if there is huge community consensus
> about
> > > something.
> > >
> > > Why is there a secret committee needed? It is easier to ask the
> > community.
> > >
> >
> > While I agree it's important to sort things with the community (since
> that
> > is the lifeblood of the projects), are you seriously suggesting that it's
> > easier to gauge the consensus of hundreds of thousands of people rather
> > than make a decision in a smaller committee, secret or otherwise?
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I am disappointed
> > >
> > > > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 18:13:13 -0400
> > > > From: nawr...@gmail.com
> > > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost
> > > >
> > > > Evidently the Signpost has scooped the WMF by revealing that Montreal
> > has
> > > > been selected for the 2017 Wikimania host city in a secret process
> that
> > > > completed this past August. [1]
> > > >
> > > > It seems like the community could have been looped into this new
> method
> > > > before it was a done deal.
> > > >
> > > > ~Nathan
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-09-30/News_and_notes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

[Joseph Fox]

On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 17:27 Steinsplitter Wiki 
wrote:

> To be honest: I am not surprised at all.
>
> Wikimedia Foundation is becoming moor and moor centralized. They no longer
> care about the community, even if there is huge community consensus about
> something.
>
> Why is there a secret committee needed? It is easier to ask the community.
>

While I agree it's important to sort things with the community (since that
is the lifeblood of the projects), are you seriously suggesting that it's
easier to gauge the consensus of hundreds of thousands of people rather
than make a decision in a smaller committee, secret or otherwise?

Joe


>
> I am disappointed
>
> > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 18:13:13 -0400
> > From: nawr...@gmail.com
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost
> >
> > Evidently the Signpost has scooped the WMF by revealing that Montreal has
> > been selected for the 2017 Wikimania host city in a secret process that
> > completed this past August. [1]
> >
> > It seems like the community could have been looped into this new method
> > before it was a done deal.
> >
> > ~Nathan
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-09-30/News_and_notes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

[Joseph Fox]

I think these wikis have been on that list for a while. I don't know the
specifics of why they're there, though, or comment on the depth/quality of
the articles on the wikis.

Joe

On Sun, 5 Jul 2015 at 22:32 Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi!

 I just I noticed that Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedia are inside the list
 of the 10 Wikipedias with more articles.[1] It seems it happened during
 this weekend. Maybe in the case of Waray Wikipedia happened a little
 before. Somebody knows when did it was exactly? Did I miss a thread
 announcing this?

 Waray-waray is now the 6th place and Cebuano has surpassed it.wiki and
 es.wiki and gained the place number 8, mainly due to Lsjbot work.[2]
 Definitely a milestone in Wikipedia and bots history.

 [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias
 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsjbot


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