Any way one tries to obtain a representative sample of something, it's never going to be totally representative. We are a massive, massive community, and I'm really not sure direct democracy works in this instance. This isn't a problem with Wikimania selection but rather with politics.
What would be best: A group of users selecting locations for an annual conference, a jury that is voted in, or just putting the conference locations up for a general vote among the community? I for one would rather a small collection of people who have experience with Wikimania, and what makes for a good conference, make the final call—elected or otherwise. I feel this conversation is getting somewhat tangled at this point. Joe On Wed, 7 Oct 2015 at 15:48 MF-Warburg <[email protected]> wrote: > Are you familiar with Board elections? Those where seats are elected by the > community?? > Am 07.10.2015 16:41 schrieb "Richard Symonds" < > [email protected]>: > > > True, but not everyone reads the VP on each project: take Wikidata for > > example. There are a fair few people who don't read it at all! A mass > > message would be better, an email or banner to people better still - but > it > > depends on who exactly you want the opinion of! "Community" is a big term > > :-) > > > > Richard Symonds > > Wikimedia UK > > 0207 065 0992 > > > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and > > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered > > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A > 4LT. > > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia > > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who > > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). > > > > *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control > > over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* > > > > On 7 October 2015 at 15:35, Steinsplitter Wiki < > > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > You can post on VP that there is such a poll on :m: > > > > > > Common sense. > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 14:39:11 +0100 > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by > > Signpost > > > > > > > > Steinsplitter, with respect (and I mean that!), I don't think a poll > on > > > > meta would be enough. For something this big, either we get the views > > of > > > > the community as a whole - including those who don't read meta - or > we > > > come > > > > up with another way (eg a committee). A small poll on meta would not > be > > > > representative enough. > > > > > > > > Richard Symonds > > > > Wikimedia UK > > > > 0207 065 0992 > > > > > > > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England > > and > > > > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. > > Registered > > > > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London > EC2A > > > 4LT. > > > > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia > > > > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation > > (who > > > > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). > > > > > > > > *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal > > control > > > > over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* > > > > > > > > On 7 October 2015 at 12:04, Steinsplitter Wiki < > > > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > A small poll on meta would be enough. > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 19:14:59 +0000 > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by > > > Signpost > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want the views of everyone on every project... then yes, I > > do. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 20:14 MF-Warburg <[email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you really believe the community consists of several 100.000 > > > people? > > > > > > > Am 06.10.2015 21:01 schrieb "Joseph Fox" < > > [email protected] > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 17:27 Steinsplitter Wiki < > > > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be honest: I am not surprised at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation is becoming moor and moor centralized. > > > They no > > > > > > > > longer > > > > > > > > > care about the community, even if there is huge community > > > consensus > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is there a secret committee needed? It is easier to ask > > the > > > > > > > > community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While I agree it's important to sort things with the > community > > > (since > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > is the lifeblood of the projects), are you seriously > suggesting > > > that > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > easier to gauge the consensus of hundreds of thousands of > > people > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > than make a decision in a smaller committee, secret or > > otherwise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am disappointed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 18:13:13 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped > by > > > > > Signpost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Evidently the Signpost has scooped the WMF by revealing > > that > > > > > Montreal > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > been selected for the 2017 Wikimania host city in a > secret > > > > > process > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > completed this past August. [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems like the community could have been looped into > > this > > > new > > > > > > > method > > > > > > > > > > before it was a done deal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~Nathan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-09-30/News_and_notes > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:[email protected] > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > [email protected] > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > [email protected] > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > [email protected] > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/[email protected]> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
