Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mailing lists (was Encyclopedic Writing Guide)

[Asaf Bartov]

Now {{fixed}}.

   A.

On Sep 26, 2017 18:18, "Michael Snow"  wrote:

> On 9/26/2017 7:57 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland wrote:
>
>> Alors nous induisons les lecteurs/trices en erreur avec des pages comme
>> celle-ci :
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists#Public
>> _mailing_lists
>>
>> JP
>>
> Oui, c'est bien possible qu'on a des informations dépassé.
>
> --Michel Neige
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mailing lists (was Encyclopedic Writing Guide)

[Michael Snow]

On 9/26/2017 7:57 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland wrote:

Alors nous induisons les lecteurs/trices en erreur avec des pages comme
celle-ci :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists#Public_mailing_lists

JP

Oui, c'est bien possible qu'on a des informations dépassé.

--Michel Neige

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mailing lists (was Encyclopedic Writing Guide)

[Michael Snow]

On 9/26/2017 8:22 AM, Samuel Klein wrote:

in the same way that say, Wikiversity languishing while Wikidata flourishes
should tell us something about the optimum number of projects we can
support.


Did we figure out this is zero-sum? Because there are some peach projects
I'd like to replace Wikiquote & Wookiepedia with.
Perhaps I shouldn't have simplified it to "number" with the implication 
that there's some magic figure, whether that's 42 or 150 or 65536. But 
as with the mailing lists, sometimes it is hard to be sure that each 
project has the appropriate scope when the boundaries are fluid. How and 
where the community focuses its attention can be a powerful signal about 
whether the scope corresponds to a widely felt need.


--Michael Snow

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mailing lists (was Encyclopedic Writing Guide)

[Samuel Klein]

in the same way that say, Wikiversity languishing while Wikidata flourishes
should tell us something about the optimum number of projects we can
support.


Did we figure out this is zero-sum? Because there are some peach projects
I'd like to replace Wikiquote & Wookiepedia with.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mailing lists (was Encyclopedic Writing Guide)

[Jean-Philippe Béland]

Alors nous induisons les lecteurs/trices en erreur avec des pages comme
celle-ci :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists#Public_mailing_lists

JP


On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Michael Snow 
wrote:

> On 9/26/2017 6:34 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland wrote:
>
>> So what is Wikipedia-l
>>  for? It is
>> describe "for issues specific to Wikipedia (and not sister projects such
>> as
>> Wiktionary) but affecting editions of Wikipedia in more than one
>> language".
>> Exactly what you are talking about "content about Wikipedia,
>> *particularly* when not specific to any one language"...
>>
> In terms of the original design, you are correct that wikipedia-l was
> intended for this. However, if I may attempt to restate Asaf's point, that
> list has no meaningful activity, and it is counterproductive to insist that
> people use it when this list can serve the purpose. Initiating a productive
> conversation on this list is already work enough, we should not multiply
> the effort needed by requiring that someone also revive a comatose mailing
> list.
>
> That being said, if someone else wanted to take on the second task
> (reviving wikipedia-l) and forwarded this message there, or started a
> parallel conversation, I don't think that would be particularly
> problematic. But as this situation indicates, there is a challenge involved
> in determining how to use our multiplicity of lists with adjacent and
> potentially overlapping topic areas. I suspect the activity patterns into
> which we have drifted should tell us something about the optimum
> configuration of lists and topics, in the same way that say, Wikiversity
> languishing while Wikidata flourishes should tell us something about the
> optimum number of projects we can support.
>
> --Michael Snow
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Mailing lists (was Encyclopedic Writing Guide)

[Michael Snow]

On 9/26/2017 6:34 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland wrote:

So what is Wikipedia-l
 for? It is
describe "for issues specific to Wikipedia (and not sister projects such as
Wiktionary) but affecting editions of Wikipedia in more than one language".
Exactly what you are talking about "content about Wikipedia,
*particularly* when not specific to any one language"...
In terms of the original design, you are correct that wikipedia-l was 
intended for this. However, if I may attempt to restate Asaf's point, 
that list has no meaningful activity, and it is counterproductive to 
insist that people use it when this list can serve the purpose. 
Initiating a productive conversation on this list is already work 
enough, we should not multiply the effort needed by requiring that 
someone also revive a comatose mailing list.


That being said, if someone else wanted to take on the second task 
(reviving wikipedia-l) and forwarded this message there, or started a 
parallel conversation, I don't think that would be particularly 
problematic. But as this situation indicates, there is a challenge 
involved in determining how to use our multiplicity of lists with 
adjacent and potentially overlapping topic areas. I suspect the activity 
patterns into which we have drifted should tell us something about the 
optimum configuration of lists and topics, in the same way that say, 
Wikiversity languishing while Wikidata flourishes should tell us 
something about the optimum number of projects we can support.


--Michael Snow

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